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Around the Pound (3/12): TE Ben Watson Signs, Heiden Cut; Holmgren Comments on QB Situation

Since the start of free agency, "Around the Pound" was shelved for awhile so that some of the transactions of free agency could have their own dedicated topic. Now that things have slowed down a tiny bit, it's time to bring the feature back and get caught up on some of the loose ends we need to cover.

There's a full plate on tonight's agenda, including the Browns' revamped tight end situation, Mike Holmgren commenting on the state of our quarterbacks, where some of our former free agents have ended up, and more.

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Watson Arrives, Heiden's Legacy With Cleveland Ends

After eight seasons with the Cleveland Browns, veteran TE Steve Heiden won't be back for a ninth one. Heiden was released today, and I really can't imagine many other teams being interested in signing a 33 year old tight end who has battled through injuries the past two seasons. Heiden was one of the longest-tenured member of the Browns, and I think the fans always appreciated him. Even last year, there were times when we were wishing Heiden would see passes go his way as opposed to other receivers on the team.

Star-divide

Taking Heiden's spot on the roster is the team's newest free agent signing -- TE Ben Watson. Watson is certainly an upgrade over any of the tight ends we had on our roster last season. He's not necessarily past his prime either, as he leaves the Patriots after six seasons. Watson has proven before that he can be a 50-catch, 600-yard type of receiver if necessary. He's not a great pass-catching tight end, but if you compare him with Robert Royal, I'm sure Watson would look great in comparison. Better than the fact he can catch is that he's a solid blocker, which is probably as close to a "complete" tight end we could've acquired through free agency.

Right now, we have four tight ends on our roster -- Watson, Evan Moore, Royal, and Michael Gaines. I don't see Royal and Gaines sticking around come the regular season, but both of them could make it to training camp I suppose. In the end, I'm ready to move past Royal. Having Watson and Moore on the field for double tight end sets works for me. Watson's contract was for 3 years and a reported $12 million, including $6.35 million guaranteed.

Holmgren Speaks on Quinn's Status

Quarterback Jake Delhomme left Cleveland without a contract, according to the Plain Dealer. Holmgren still hasn't closed the door on signing Delhomme though. Delhomme might be turned off by the fact that Holmgren would not commit to anyone as a starter in an effort to lure someone to Cleveland.

With respect to Brady Quinn...

Browns President Mike Holmgren said that trade talk for Brady Quinn is "a little premature," but he indicated that Quinn's future with the club depends on acquiring another quarterback.

"It all depends on what else we can do," Holmgren told The Plain Dealer on Friday. "We are continuing to look for and evaluate quarterbacks."

No matter who the Browns bring aboard, Holmgren is still firm on the fact that a starting quarterback will be named before training camp. As to why he's exploring so many options at quarterback?

"But I'm going to kind of set the table, and then it's really Coach (Eric) Mangini's call."

Justin Fargas Visited Cleveland

Since being released by the Raiders, RB Justin Fargas has been making the rounds. After being a pretty good backup for many years with the Raiders, there's no reason he wouldn't be a solid backup or spot-start running back for other teams. He's already met with the Chiefs, Eagles and the Browns, but has yet to sign a contract. If the Browns end up reaching a deal with Fargas, it would seem to follow the type of signings Holmgren has made thus far -- no one who will break the bank, but players who were good role players for other teams.

New Cities for Hadnot and Pool

The Arizona Cardinals signed OL Rex Hadnot to a three-year deal worth about $9 million. S Brodney Pool signed a one-year deal with the New York Jets worth $1.3 million. Hadnot will probably have the opportunity to start in Arizona with Pool competing for a roster spot on the Jets' talented defense.

Around the AFC North

Off-Beat Notes

  • After seeing the performances from American Idol this week, I finally felt that some of the contestants had found their niche and that we'd have a half-way decent top twelve. But then...the results show came, and the people sent home should've have been sent home. All it did was make the Top 12 less competitive, so the one or two guys and girls who have been good now have a near cakewalk to the top four.
  • The reports have begun circulating that "24" might not be picked up for a ninth season by FOX, and that a decision would be announced soon. It's not that "24" is necessarily a cancel-worthy show, but it's become too expensive to make, and, as most shows do in their later seasons, the ratings aren't what they used to be. Rumors are now swirling that if "24" is canceled, that NBC would pick up the show for a ninth season. As long as Kiefer Sutherland remains with the show, I don't care what network airs it.
  • I've just started seeing the previews for Ironman 2; can't wait to see it. I love Robert Downey Jr's portrayal of the character, and the addition of Mickey Rourke to the film has my anticipation peaked.
  • So many good things about last week's LOST, particular because any Michael Emerson-centric episode is interesting. Plus, it's fun to see William Atheron be a peck. The ending sequence was a favorite too, as sort of an homage to earlier seasons, capped off with the "here we go...!" moment of Widmore arriving to the island.
  • Christopher Nolan again indicates that the next installment of Batman will be his last. There are minor spoiler details at the link, so reader beware.

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  1. I love the acquisitions we have picked in FA
  2. Sounds to me like Quinn’s time in Cleveland (atleast as a starter) is over
  3. I will miss you Mr. Heiden, I wish you the best in your future endeavors

by Kimble_79 on Mar 12, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fargas would definitly be a good pickup.

Does anyone know about any other free agents we are considering.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Besides Fargas and Delhomme, I don’t think anyone else has been reported as having visited or being considered.

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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 12, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Fargas will not be in a Browns uniform, a league source has already confirmed it and I believe it is because he failed his physical upon leaving the Raiders.

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by theW0LF on Mar 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I saw the same from MKC on Twitter, but didn’t mention anything because it came from MKC.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my main takeaways from this, which we already knew I guess, is that Holmgren is not at all tight-lipped like Mangini was. And while Mangini was so secretive, in my opinion to a fault, Holmgren might be sharing TOO much info? I mean everyone knew if Delhomme signed Quinn was probably out, but did he really have to come out and say it? I feel like this just makes Quinn’s low trade value even worse

by sww2109 on Mar 12, 2010 10:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Still don’t buy this. I don’t think anyone who would be calling for Quinn either considers or things Holmgren considers Delhomme starting material at this stage. He’s just a replacement level guy – a solid backup.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 13, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Fargas would be a nice change of pace to shoulder some of the load from Harrison.

by Simmsinns on Mar 12, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I would like Fargas to be our backup, I don’t think it’s going to happen. The signing would have occurred by now. But there is still hope!

Diggin’ the Watson signing. And since we play the Pats this year, Watson will make them pay for releasing him.

My Off-Beat Note –
"The Pacific" starts this SUNDAY!!!! I’ve been waiting years for this and it’s finally here!!

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 12, 2010 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t want Fargas. Specifically for his last name, it’s weird. It doesn’t sound pro – like.

/sarc.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

It sounds more pro than Anderson. :o

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 1:52 AM EST reply actions  

reply fail

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

More like a drunk fail.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are always fun.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but they’re embarrassing though.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pro

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like everything we have done, and everything that we haven’t done. I’m not crazy about signing any of the free agent running backs, even a guy like Fargas.

Since RBs always fall in the draft, it is pretty easy to envision the Browns getting Hardesty, Gerhart, Ben Tate, or LeGarrotte Blount in the 3rd or later. No need to look at veterans who have a ton of miles on their bodies already.

I’d say that Holmgren quote is as good as “yep were looking to move him. I’ll talk to you when Buffalo calls back with a counteroffer.”

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Mar 13, 2010 5:07 AM EST reply actions  

There is a good chance Fargas is better than all of those guys.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Fargas is no joke. I think we should get him.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

but lets not overpay him.

by bross09 on Mar 13, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

His salary is Oakland Hotdogs.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heiden. He was a solid, solid player.

‘Thank you’ from Browns fans. One of the few I was always happy to have, year in and year out.

Good luck

by johnnyphoenix on Mar 13, 2010 5:08 AM EST reply actions  

heiden was always one of my favorites. he just seemed to play hard and never really did anything boneheaded, like some of our other TEs…

seriously, i’ll miss having steve heiden to cheer for each week.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 13, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 13, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW, Moore and Watson.

GREAT TE combo.

by johnnyphoenix on Mar 13, 2010 5:12 AM EST reply actions  

Moore will tell you Wat’s “Up” Son!

Okay that was bad.

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by skipkirk on Mar 13, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Evan Moore was a sweet pickup, why water it down?
Robert Royal was made to fail here, and Gaines is just as hard as Watson is but got no chance, so since you didn´t tap into them, that´s more honest, you might do well to trade them.
If we do get Jake Delhomme, despite my happiness about Quinn and Anderson no longer sitting on our mutual nerve, don´t get me wrong but that´s three backups.
I know you´ll laugh at me again for the mere mention of fullbacks, but:
Brad Hoover, Panthers
Kyle Eckel, Saints
John Kuhn, Packers
Dan Kreider, Cardinals
and Byron Storer, Bucs, are available!
I´ve been told the Browns have a limit for guys with the designation Fullback, set at two.
Shop the designation RB and ATH at them, and situate them quaintly on our roster, why don´t you?

by mooncamping on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Those FB´s are all rumblers, they´re kind of rare. Make them work in the cafeteria for a million bucks each for a while, for all I care. But please, snatch up a couple.

by mooncamping on Mar 13, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why you want to sign a backup fullback. We have lawrence vickers who imo is a pretty good fullback. He can run when we need him to and he is also a very good blocker for our rb to follow up the middle.

by nurse13 on Mar 13, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he wants Vickers to get 350 carries, if I’m not mistaken.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 13, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Korey Hall from the pack is available, Kuhn is signed for like 2 yrs.

by tkiller314 on Mar 13, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus FBs get receiving TDs, sacks, and INTs.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

only if Furrey plays some fullback for us next year

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Mar 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

CHAMPIONSHIP

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You are mistaken. Lawrence Vickers is a decent blocking back, but he fails to carry the rock in excess of the prerequisite 3 yards.
I guess you´re not familiar with my work. I had proposed what I termed “Ground Hounds”. It´s a contingency of four fullback proportioned and skilled running backs with the ability to carry the rock on dives be it at fullback or halfback in an I-formation, in a steady rotation possibly. This is a novel idea I had offered onto the Browns.
My theory stems from my playing days, that fullbacks wear down the defense, lotting you more yardage eventually. They don´t start looking like stars, until they´ve affected the defense. Something like that is intended here.
The defense will be gleeful when we pass, for a breath of fresh air. That´s how you do it.

by mooncamping on Mar 14, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right moon. Vickers had ZERO carries last year and that’s unacceptable.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were you a massive Mike Alstott fan?

by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He owns both Home and Away jerseys to match his shoes.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think of Toby Gerhardt?

by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen a couple moks with us taking him in the 4th. Being a Cardnal fan, I wouldn’t mind.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I commend him for a job well done in college, for a big guy.
I think guys like Brock Bolen, Brian Leonard and Owen Schmitt could bag him in terms of speed, instinct and aggression though.

by mooncamping on Mar 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t make it far enough down the post before I posted my comment below. I figured you would like him though.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moon, I would have to think you really like another one of my WVU graduates, Owen Schmidt. Only guy I know that bangs his helmet of his head and bloodies himself up. Plus, the boy has some wheels on him when he gets the rock

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Mar 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we´d have to talk to him about that. He really hurt his image.
I know you have to get motivated to play runningback, but that´s excessive.

by mooncamping on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I consider this a dishonor towards Vickers, he is our fullback, we don’t need any more.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He´s alright as a blocking fullback. For a potent I-formation, you need a fullback that can spell the halfback in terms of carries for dives, when not lead blocking.
Key words:
-lead blocking
-dives

by mooncamping on Mar 14, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since ATP is a off topic session for us…..

I had to update the info on my dog’s Browns dog tag. It finally came yesterday. I’ve ordered from the team’s site before, but this is the first time they threw a pack of cards in it. A pack of three breast cancer awareness cards. Consisting of Quinn, Lewis, and Edwards.
Haha WTF.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Heh. They should have replaced BQ with DA, then they could have sold it as the All Whiny Team.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 13, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved Steve Heiden, was a great part of this franchise and I’m sad to see him go. But Watson should serve as a better mentor to Moore in terms of pass catching and overall becoming a better TE

by kminnich43 on Mar 13, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Chris, the bigger draw in Iron Man 2 is War Machine, not Mickey Rouke’s portrayal of Whiplash.

I do like Rouke as an actor, but Whiplash? They should have made Rouke the Crimson Dynamo instead.

I too love Downey Jr. in the first movie and as an actor, but the unveiling of War Machine is bigger than anything else in Iron Man 2 in my opinion.

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by theW0LF on Mar 13, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

I thought the original Iron Man was overrated. It was ok, but nothing special.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The first Iron Man was the best Marvel superhero movie made so far.

With X2 coming in a close second.

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by theW0LF on Mar 13, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Origins: Wolverine was way better than any of the x-men trilogy.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, especially the atrocious 1st and last movies. I would have to agree with WOLF that the second was the best of the three.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t think any of them were great but Origins was one of my lesser favorites…

by bross09 on Mar 14, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of those movies were really any good.

by Chief Wahoo on Mar 13, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Reynolds played a good Deadpool up until they sowed his mouth shut, gave hip Cyclops’ eye beams, and made his swords come out of his wrists completely screwed up the character. Also I think the guy who played Sabertooth was way better than the guy from the trilogy.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

him not hip, how the hell did I put a p in there?

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Spiderman 2 was far and away my favorite Marvel movie. Fantastic directing and Alfred Molina was great.

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Mar 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked X2 better than Iron Man, but I’m not naming a ‘best Marvel movie’ until they make Werewolf by Night and Iron Fist.

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by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I am with you actually, but I don’t really like Super hero movies (except Batman.)

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Iron Man is one of the best Super hero movies to date and I cannot wait to see War Machine.

I love seeing new Iron Man suits, it’s pretty sweet.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re my boy and all, butt Iron Man is lame.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not cool dude, I thought you were my running mate.

Sad, sad day on DBN

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate to see DBN breakups.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Way too far.

Wow.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF SB? Now people think we’re gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

DBN – Full-time Browns Blog, Part-time Matchmaker?

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Mar 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw you guys. I didn’t sign up for this.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Homophobic much?

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw you guys

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hold up. I thought you were still joking. No one thinks you’re gay.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I am still joking.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. Just so you don’t go out and commit any hate crimes on my account.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be banishment worthy.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

but only for like a month

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 13, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I can see the headline now….

Rob T aka BY was accused of snorkeling before he went on shooting spree at The Blue Oyster Bar last night. Charges are being filed and he’s being held without bail.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Recced for police academy referances.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Walterfootball says this constantly. And this is hilarious.

by emily522 on Mar 13, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t recognize the famous Seinfeld quote? Wait… forgot who I was talking to.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t recognize it. Well that explains it, then.

by emily522 on Mar 14, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was pretty funny, but I’d take an episode of The Office over Seinfeld. Part of a different generation, I guess.

by emily522 on Mar 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I would imagine it has to do with the age differences. Seinfeld had a much longer and better peak, whereas in my opinion prime of the Office was really only 2 seasons, and has since remained slightly funny since.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Seinfeld only really fell off in the last season — everything up to that point was fantastic. The Office isn’t nearly as funny now as it was in the first 2-3 years.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Office isn’t nearly as funny now as it was in the first 2-3 years.

Agreed, but I still think it’s hilarious.

by emily522 on Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t kow, I don’t watch the office for the same reason I never watched The 40 Year Old Virgin: Steve Carell.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

ScarJo is a big draw for me.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never exposed to Iron Man really before the movie, hence my apparent lack of enthusiasm for the “bigger reveal.”

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 13, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve, I’m gonna miss you. Heiden has been one of my favorite players for awhile, and alot of that has to do with the fact that he was around for so long. I really wish I could have seen him retire as a Brown. Best of luck to you in the future.

Looks like I only have a couple favorite players left, Harrison and Dawson.

-Mike

by Mike_Stevens on Mar 13, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Oh god I hope Dawson isn’t next…..

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I sometimes forget he’s even on this team still.

by gahnki on Mar 13, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He may not have the strongest leg but he’s really accurate inside of 50 yds. At one point he was the 3rd most accurate kicker of all time. Also he’s pretty high up on our all time points scored list.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you forget? Him and Zasty were our best players last year.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other than Cribbs

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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah…don’t forget pontbriand..according to grossi he had more of an impact than Wright…

by bross09 on Mar 14, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha is this exaggeration? I don’t read Grossi.

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Mar 15, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

no. He had a list of the best players of the year, and grossi had pontbriand ranked higher than wright.

He in fact, ranked our punter and kicker ahead of wright even though both missed over half the season…

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/josh_cribbs_joe_thomas_were_th.html

He ranked wimbley as #4 (higher than Jerome Harrison, Vickers, Matt Roth, or Mack) even though wimbley fell off the last half of the season. It was obviously completely arbitrary (or stupidity)

Other examples:

Corey williams over abram elam, BQ, over Elam

Brian Shafering (who) over Hadnot

grossi reminds me a lot at times of mooncamping. the only way you can explain it is a bizarre way of looking at things, or picking people completely arbitrarily.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pictures on a dart board my man.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is pictures on a dart board?

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He means that Grossi probably picked his list by throwing darts at pictures of Browns players.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh. I was thinking about in those movies where the villain has a picture of his nemesis on a dart board and uses it for target practice…my mind is too goofy.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

my mind is too goofy

I couldn’t agree more.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

But what is life without a lil comic relief? Boring as hell is what it would be.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. that is what I try to provide the world.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. sometimes the ideas I have are bizarre and out there…usually my most sane ideas are in sports whereas in other areas, my imagination runs wild.

Right now I am planning to write a melodramatic musical in my head staring christian bale and Hugh Jackman…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

have you been hanging out with moon?

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Mar 16, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol…

my ideas of football are pretty grounded…

the idea with the musical is that Christian bale and Jackman both have starred in movies together, work well together, are good actors, and have great singing voices… justg one of the ideas I have had…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

other than the fact that Bale would cuss out every light technician, sound technician, and any other technician!! If you could keep him in check then I’m with ya

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Mar 17, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew Jackman could sing, didn’t know Bale could.

I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 17, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s decent enough in I’m Not There.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Billy “30 yard” Cundiff!

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Mar 15, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

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