Jake Delhomme Will Attempt to Revive Career in Cleveland
by Chris Pokorny on Mar 13, 2010 8:41 PM EST
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What was the general reaction upon hearing that the Cleveland Browns signed QB Jake Delhomme? If you look through the initial reaction thread here, most of the comments look like this:
"Why?"
"Ugh."
"MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED."
I could come up with about 100 other lines that were used, but the one thing you won't really find is a positive reaction. I sort of summarized my thoughts on QB Jake Delhomme a few days ago with this statement:
Between Delhomme and Quinn, I'd stick with Quinn because the possibility exists that he can still improve with a full season's worth of work. As much as I liked Delhomme for several years in Carolina, ever since his playoff meltdown two seasons ago, he has been awful -- perhaps just as bad, if not worse than Anderson.
Now that Delhomme and Seneca Wallace are each on board, I doubt either of them, particularly Delhomme, came to Cleveland to compete for the second or third quarterback spots. The negative reaction with respect to the Delhomme signing stems from the many comparisons that can be made to Derek Anderson. Both quarterbacks just were among the worst in the NFL last year given the amount of opportunities they had; the only other quarterback I might lump in with them is JaMarcus Russell.
Questioning the signing, which was reportedly a two-year deal, is certainly valid.
- Why sign a player who struggled just as bad as the guy you just let go?
- Why sign a player who had a great running back tandem in Carolina but couldn't minimize the turnovers?
- Why sign a player who has battled injuries the past few years at such an important position?
Those are the negatives. Let's take a look at some of the positives right now though, under the assumption that Delhomme has and never will be one of the league's top-tier quarterbacks:
- Delhomme had a stretch in his career in which he was playing above average football. During the 2004-2005 season, Delhomme had 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He wasn't a one-hit wonder -- the following season, he threw for 24 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. He played in fewer games the next year, but again, he remained fairly consistent -- 18 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. During the 2007-2008 campaign, he was on fire to start the season. In three games, he threw 8 touchdowns and one interception. That's when he needed Tommy John surgery, and his season was over.
- He returned during the 2008-2009 campaign, but he wasn't as sharp, throwing 15 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. The Panthers finished with a 12-4 record, thanks to the dynamic duo of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. In the postseason, Delhomme had a meltdown that no one could've seen coming, especially how he had thrived in the playoffs several years earlier when the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl.
- Delhomme's struggles from the postseason continued into last season, where he finished the year with 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. That's the season he looked very much like Derek Anderson.
- It seemed to me that one of Delhomme's biggest issues was that he turned into a headcase of sorts. Whether he was too tentative to throw the ball or he had simply lost all confidence, Delhomme's career in Carolina was toast, and it was certainly the right move for Carolina to move on without him.
- It's hard to tout the Delhomme signing as a positive one due to his recent failures. Believe me, I'm not exactly thrilled by the signing, and I've admitted that I was a huge Delhomme fan several years ago. But, due to the consistent stretch he showed for several years, could we give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd be capable of reproducing an 18-touchdown, 12-interception type of season. Those numbers don't have me jumping out of my seat, but if Delhomme is meant to be a one-year holdover, I'm not going to concede the season just yet.
- Holmgren said that he wants to provide options for head coach Eric Mangini to choose his starting quarterback before training camp. Fine. In terms of experience, that's what Delhomme has. In terms of untapped potential and intrigue, that's what Wallace has. It'll be up to Mangini to determine how Delhomme's arm looks when minicamp rolls around. If he performs well, he'll probably be the starter heading into the regular season. If that's the case, we're going to have to suck it up and root for "our guy" and hope for the best. Remember, quarterback isn't supposed to be the strength of our football team this year, so the expectations shouldn't really change regardless of which quarterback we choose.
I'd still like to see Brady Quinn stay in Cleveland and win the starting job, but the odds appear to be stacked against him now. I hope we don't give him up for too much of a bargain, because as a former first-rounder who I still don't believe has received a fair shot at starting, someone else could be getting a steal.
Oh, yes, and Brett Ratliff is still the No. 3 quarterback.
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DUDE. I GO TO WORK FOR 4 1/2 HOURS AND COME BACK TO THIS?
W.T.F.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
Well as a Steelers fan
Even if we have another miserable season, at least our secondary will look good this year, and maybe the CB’s can get an interception before the last game. Seriously guys? W.T.F.? Jake is just awful.
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
This has nothing to do with Delhomme. Did SBNation change their format or is it just the network I am on? If so the new format is aweful, I hope it’s just my network, as it is the same on my laptop and on my pc.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions
yes
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not just DBN. All the other blogs I’m part of are the same format. Maybe SB nation’s just having technical problems?
Yeah asked because it wasn’t just dbn, lgt and fts are the same
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
switch over to Google chrome.
It is handleing the format right when my firefox wasn’t
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
thanks for the tip
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was a glitch
I saw that too and was messed up for like 30minutes, now its back to normal
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
yeah IDK
maybe the site can’t handle the fact that Delhomme still has a job and is imploding on itself
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Maybe Big Ben thought DBN was a college girl with standards.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Now that's just foolish
We all know that college girls are too old for BB
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
by maletvette on Mar 13, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh burn
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not as bad as your pics show for me, I have most of the browser intact, just missing characters and color distortions. I actually see that broken format a lot when my browser doesn’t fully load. I just refresh, but refreshing isn’t fixing it now.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I upgraded to 3.6 today though, so it’s probably doing better for me, then you.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll just repost this here so everyone sees it:
Sanity check here people! Delhomme had one horrendous year. here are his career stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/jakedelhomme/profile?id=DEL367367
last year was the first year he had more INTs than TDs, and the others really aren’t even that close, except for two seasons when he only had three more TDs than picks. he only has one other season under a 59% completion percentage, and that was 58.4% way back in 2004. He has a career mark of 7.2 YPA, and only has one other season besides last year under that mark.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
Still think Quinn shot himself in foot
I still strongly believe Quinn may have shot himself in the foot when he held out for 16 or so days in training camp…
…days that instead of Anderson being put in to play after Fry stumbled against the steelers, I think they would have put Quinn in….
…who knows, he may have started, since we had no veteran for him to learn from.
…I loved Quinn, and still want him to start, but gosh, you did that yourself, and still signed pretty much the same contract you were offered in April.
That said...
…my last post sounded kinda negative towards quinn, not my intention, I love the guy…and believe he wasn’t given a chance……I really wanted to see what quinn could do….
…what if, during the 49ers game, the coaches keep him in, and he drives us to a few TDs, he would prolly have been the starter the following season…
…my thoughts the last few years have always gone back to this…..we have just wasted sooooooooooooooo much time here in cleveland when we could have been progressing.
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
Grossi has a lot of time on his hands.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s ticking away at his sanity.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it was but its fine for me now
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 13, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I still have some broken characters. I blame B19K
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was joking. Kind of…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that asshole!
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 13, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I restarted my computer and it’s fine. When I posted this, I couldn’t even see the responses until now.
I’m all better as well.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I woke up this morning and my comp was restarted. Didn’t know why. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I remember now that I couldn’t read anything on here with my beer goggles. Guess I passed out during the restart. Haha
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Other than the white coloration of the new comments popup, I’m fine this morning. Firefox 3.6, Windows XP.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have the same thing as you but mine’s still messed up. I downloaded chrome for now and it’s working… Firefox is just having problems because last night sometimes it was working, sometimes it wasn’t.
Yup. Just checked Firefox and it’s working. This is getting annoying. I guess I’ll stick with Chrome when using DBN for awhile,
3.6 is the newest. I shut down FF and restarted it a few minutes ago, and now I’m seeing the same issues reported hear earlier. Methinks someone is tweaking the site code this weekend.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fine meow. I’m running 3.6
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s so damn funny? Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin’ around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? Do you see me eating mice? Not so funny meow, is it?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf is meow?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Troopers isn’t a quotable movie, Ramrod.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that funny.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The hell it isn’t. Especially when they pull over the stoners.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Stoners don’t act like that. I used to be one when I was younger.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i used to be one a couple years ago and most of my friends are now, and trust me, if you ate an entire bag of shrooms and an eighth of weed you might act like that.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If you ate a big bag of shrooms, you’d die. They’re not drugs, it’s poison.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So is alcohol.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a big secret, and don’t tell anyone, I am one.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lets get blazed!
kidding, i got two tests this week
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when we almost devoted an entire fanpost to Super Trooper quotables?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You lie. haha
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We infact did.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen the movie 4 times. Nothing stuck with me.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that is your loss.
It is actually pretty ingenuitive (funny this shows up as not being a word but it is in webster’s dictionary) comedic wise. it is very original and unique and has some “smart” humor. when I say smart, I do not mean it is highbrow, it is creative and ingenuitive low brow.
Yeah, there’s nothing highbrow about the bear suit.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I am not saying at all the movie is highbrow.
It is lowbrow but it is better than a Will ferrell Lowbrow Retread movie. it is very original lowbrow.
I am with you through this whole comment.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
In addition to Brady Quinn, the Akron Beacon Journal also believes QB Brett Ratliff is now expendable.
It’d be news if he weren’t. (Sorry mooncamping.)
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 13, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Right about now Tony Grossi is kicking himself for not breaking the Ratliffe story…
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Bad news
any way you look at it. The guy is getting old and just came off a terrible season compounded by a horrendous playoff game the previous season. I just cannot see what Holmgren is up to. This guy is not a hold the fort type now; he is a guy running to get out before the battle!
All I can think of is that Holmgren is buying time to fix other things and then will draft a QB in a year or two.
All I can think of is that Holmgren is buying time to fix other things and then will draft a QB in a year or two.
Which would suit me just fine.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jake Delhomme is going to be the starter.
Schefter reports Delhomme is getting 7 million dollars this season.
Really?
So did I, but 7 million dollars is crazy.
I would be shocked if any other team offered him more than 2MIL a season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 13, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Insane money. Let’s hope the contract is front loaded into the uncapped year.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
How does Delhomme get all this money regardless of wherever he goes?
He could’ve retired on his guaranteed money from the Panthers.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’d bet the farm that it is. Even so thats just crazy money, Holmgren must have really wanted this guy.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I’ll throw 18 interceptions for half that.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fourth.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hell I’d do that for 50 bucks.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Just start talking about who you want for Brady Quinn.
My #1 answer is Donte Whitner
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I guess the date didn’t go well?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Any other former Buckeyes you want?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Anthony Gonzalez, Will Smith, Shawn Springs.
But none of them are available for trade.
I just want players who could help this team. We need a strong safety and he is a good one. I wanted Kerry Rhodes and OJ Atogwe too.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Jaws, do you have any insight in to the work ethic and attitude of these other Buckeyes players? I thought you might since you’re such an expert on Troy Smith and Terelle Pryor.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrelle Pryor will be better than Troy Smith, in my opinion.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm…I’m thinking this may be possible. Quinn and our #7 for Whitner and the Bills #9. That way the Bills can replace Whitner with Haden, then the Browns take a Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays…assuming Berry is gone.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking Berry is pretty likely to fall to #7. Or the Chiefs will be glad to trade down anyway. Pioli is a huge believer in positional value and loves to trade down. He passed on Aaron Curry for Tyson Jackson last year.
I think Walterfootball is right, the chiefs pass on Berry for a guy like Bulaga, who is projected to go in that Tyson Jackson range (9-14) but fills a glaring need for the chiefs.
I’d consider giving up a third or 4th pick to move up and guarantee berry.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Eh, I can take a hit.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s why I said 50 haha.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Break it up, boys. Joke’s over. [/foghorn]
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Sorry I guess I’m tone-deaf to the fat lady’s singing.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
50 bucks for a hit? You guys are either getting screwed or
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Now who’s the stoner?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The snozzberries taste like snozzberries.
Not a stoner by the way, just thought it funny that after i hit z from a comment above talking about Super Troopers i landed on your conversation about taking hits.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Sorry, 1st funny comment that popped int my head.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
7 million?! I am a big a fan of spending Lerner’s money as anyone out there, but jeez.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ESPN.com says the base is 900k. (at least when I checked last night) Does this imply that the 7 million is tied up in incentives? If that is the case, I don’t mind as much.
All of it? I haven’t seen anything that suggests incentive-based so I am wishful thinking right now.
My bet is that the browns frontloaded his contract into the uncapped year. Same thing bears did with peppers. My guess is the numbers are like 2y / $9.5 million. first year he makes $900,000 with a $6mil signing bonus and second year he gets $2.5mil or something like that.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I think but am not sure that we could eat the entire signing bonus on the (lack of) cap this year, instead of pro-rating it like teams normally always do.
If that is the case, we would be smart to eat the whole cap number this year. We would be responsible for 100% of the cap number anyway, and we will have paid him the actual money anyway as well.
If the second year’s base salary is a modest increase from 900k (like a normal contract), that’s a very cap-friendly deal.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Wow. I really don’t understand this. If all Holmgren wanted was someone to keep the seat warm for a year or two until he got his guy, well, we already had Quinn. Maybe the idea is to draft a new QB and then get rid of Quinn so as to avoid QB derby speculation? I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
Neither Quinn or Wallace are experienced enough to teach a new young QB.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
Neither Quinn or Wallace are experienced enough to teach a new young QB.
And it’s neither of their jobs. I feel this “teaching” by experience thing is entirely overplayed. If we wanted a vet to teach, why not sign Kurt Warner to a coaching contract?
because coaches can’t play while the other guy is still learning.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
7 MILLION!!!!!!
I think Holmgren got took.
Anything to make this look like a good signing, eh?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 13, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
That kind of summarizes how I’m feeling as well!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 13, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
A dirty night with the Mrs.?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
That might take your mind off the signing for a couple of minutes, but it doesn’t have the potential to change your perspective on the signing the way rum might, albeit temporarily.
Couple of minutes?
I won’t drag this out farther than it has to be but I am slightly offended. Haha.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Touche.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
rec
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Amen to that
yes, you put it all in perspective, that there alone give me confidence in holmgren…last two couldn’t figure that out.
Is there any realistic chance that the plan is to make Wallace the 3rd string QB? Because even though Quinn hasn’t set things on fire yet, I’m no more enthused by the idea of Delhomme or Wallace starting.
quinn is out. They don’t want him to get in the way of whatever guy they draft this year.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
a look inside the contract negotiations between Jake Dellhome and the Browns, the Saints, and even an unknown UFL team.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I see Delhomme starting this year. He might be on his way down, but atleast he’s a veteran who knows football. If he can get us by with as little mistakes as possible while Holmgren and Mangini groom a young QB to be the franchise starter in a year or two, I’m all for it. Seneca Wallace was a solid pickup for a backup, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him starting all 16 games, Quinn is obviously on his way out, I see him getting traded for a 3rd rounder or so.
-Mike
I’m not sure that we could get a 3rd for him, but I really have no idea what his value is at this point. A third would be nice though. that pick would maybe even be packaged with something to help the Browns move back into the 1st or 2nd rounds if Haskell saw someone he wanted.
send quinn and a 5th from this year and a 4th from next year to the bills for a player and their 3rd rounder. Use that extra 3rd rounder to draft your QB.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
That’s the kind of value Savage would have gotten in a trade. No thank you.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on the player. Get donte whitner or Marshawn lynch and your golden. Give up a second next year and get their second this year. I like the bills as the trade partner. Whitner fits one of our needs and the bills pick high in each round.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
i mean i dont think the Bills want Quinn, they dont need him. The trade has to benefit both sides. I am trying to think of someone who would want him. Denver, Oakland, Seattle seam to make sense.
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Well another bone head move by the Browns front office. Go figure another large sum of money that could the browns could have spent on something that could help the team like maybe a WR or a CB.Not 7 mil on another BAD QB.
So that makes it ok to just toss money to a bad QB?
by Brownsfan4ever on Mar 16, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Essentially.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it your money? (no)
Does it harm the Cleveland Browns as an organization/football team in any way? (no)
So quit hatin’
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 18, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s exactly the same sound I made when I read the headline here….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best. Post. Ever.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
By moon, at least.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
my thoughts ever since holmgren signed on have been that i trust him because he has proven himself to be able to turn teams around in this league. that being the case, i’m not going to change my views just because of this move.
holmgren has forgotten more about QBing in the NFL than any of us will ever know. i trust that he has a plan for delhomme, quinn, wallace, etc. if that includes delhomme as the starter, then i say let’s go jake and let’s go brownies. holmgren has my total support until he gives me a reason not to support him.
Good man, DN. As baffling as I find this, one must assume at this point that it’s all part of the plan. For now, at least.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems more Dwight Clark comparable when you are using someone who goes by the Joker.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi all, new guy here.
I really don’t think Quinn got a fair shot and I want him to stay, but does anyone think its possible that we could package him with our 1st round pick to move up and get a qb? They would get there young qb and keep a 1st rd pick.
win/win for both. Just a thought.
The only QB we would have to trade up for would be Bradford. Everyone else will be there when we’re up.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rams would have to bypass on Bradford and draft Suh. Then we could trade with Detroit who would be happy to move down to pay less salary for the offensive tackle that they need. I think a 3rd and 4th rounder would move us up 5 spots. But, the Rams would have to be crazy to pass on a QB again. They passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez the last two drafts, so anything is possible.
too much $ in QB, though
well, if we go after bradford, we’ll have $7 million plus bradfords huge contract to pay for one position…may be too high…but, if delhomme’s $ is primarily for the first year, then I could see them doing that.
What are your thoughts on that other QB from NDAme? anyone?
Clausen?!?! I am completely fine with the Delhomme signing, but if they draft Clausen at #7, i will completely flip out. I would rather see Dan LeFevour or Tony Pike at the bottom of round 3 or top of round 4.
we have to go corner/safety with the 1st two picks we have. Having those guys who can lock up and cover gives the defense so many blitzing options.
yeap. Berry / McCourty or Berry / Kareem Jackson
Best possible route to get better in a hurry.
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yes, if Berry is there, we take him. I hate to go all Al Davis on this pick, but I am really starting to think that if Eric Berry is not available, we should take Taylor Mays over Joe Haden. I mean Mays is a burner with size and he likes to hit.
but theres just one problem: He cant play safety. He can’t cover anyone and has terrible instincts. All that speed doesn’t help you much when you are always out of position.
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Haden plays fast, loves to hit, and isn’t stupid like Mays. I’d consider Haden over Berry, combine be damned.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i know it makes sense, but damn i hope he runs better at the pro day. 4.5 is slow for the top corner in the draft. eric wright ran a 4.37
Wright ran a 4.35 somewhere.
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If his twitter feed is any indication, it was probably to a shoe sale.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
While i love haden, the thing is that you can get 90% of him in devin McCourty or Kareem jackson, and those guys will be there early in the second.
If you get berry you can add a good corner too, the safety positon doesn’t have the same depth.
Last few years the first corner off the board doesn’t necessarily become the best corner in the class. It has been the second or third guy taken who steps up the most, ie Derrelle Revis.
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Really? I can’t find one thing Haden does better than Berry.
If Berry played CB, he would be a lock to go in the top 3, IMO.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I explained my concerns about Berry a couple of days ago. Short version —> Berry is the better player, but he leads with his head far too often. If he’s coachable, then no problem, take Berry.
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Yeah the last thing we need is another concussion machine at Safety, but that sounds like something Rob Ryan can fix.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pool had concussions in college.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
and I don’t think he had concussions in college. I searched it and all I found is when he GAVE tebow a concussion.
Berry?
He never missed time with an injury in college. Not that he won’t ever in the pros, but that’s what you’d want.
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Easy fix: Make him free safety and put him in the Ed Reed Centerfielder role. He doesn’t have to come up and make a ton of big hits leading with his head, he plays the ball more.
Find a strong safety who is more apt to fill against the run.
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No way. Berry every time. Berry’s film is better than Haden’s, in addition to the combine/as validated by the combine.
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No, we need to draft the two best players period.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
convieniently, if we get berry a corner will almost certainly be the best player available at #38.
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Uhhh….how does that depend on us getting Berry?
And how do you think you can predict the entire first round (+ 6 picks of the second) of the draft when millions of people can not every year?
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I’m not trying to. ok a corner might not be the best player available but if McCourty or Jackson are available they could be the best or near the best player(s) available.
also it might depend on us getting berry because if we pick haden then the next team that wants a CB could take wilson a bit higher and then the next team could take mccourty or Jackson higher.
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I believe getting berry will allow our CB to play better. If we happened to land berry, I wouldn’t be against holdign off and taking a gamble on a CB whose stock has dropped like Donovan Warren or Lindey.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 15, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We would shore up our secondary enough that pass defense would not be as much of a glaring need, I agree. Still doesn’t necessarily change the BPA to a CB in the 2nd round.
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If Kyle Wilson is taken in the 1st, I don’t think there are any other CB’s worth a second round pick. I’d rather grab Warren in the 3rd or Lindley in the 5th than Kareem Jackson or Mccourty in the second. Much rather take Jerry Hughes or Trent Williams with the second
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 18, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
not at number 7
he would obviously be after a trade down, yes. sorry, thought that was obvious
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
right, but according to Grossi, Savage had the plan to offer him a below market contract to keep him out so that he would have to stand on the sidelines and learn. Grossi says that Savage thought that the Ravens QB was ruined by starting him too soon when Savage was there and he didnt want that to happen to Quinn.
that may be the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Grossi has been saying this for the last two years. He is the Cleveland Browns beat reporter for the Browns.
Grossi doesn’t know what he’s talking about, as I’ve learned from people on here. Pluto’s the reliable one.
not true, i like them both. Grossi has been the beat writer for the Browns for the last 18 years. I have been reading him for years. Pluto is more of an opinion giver covering all cleveland sports.
I do like both guys and have read most all the articles they have written the last several years. Tony Grossi is well respected in the NFL community and even has a Hall of Fame vote.
BTW, there are only 44 people who are on the selection committee and Grossi is one of them. Fans tend to not like him because he seems to me to be a better talker than a writer. He is on the radio a lot and does the Berea Report and Sunday Strategy on STO during the season.
Oh, okay then. I read some of his articles last season and he seemed like quite a flip flopper in his opinions, but that’s just what I got from it.
Yeah, Grossi just kind of makes it up as he goes.
The only thing I like about Grossi is his dedication. No one else spends 18 hours a day in his Camry sitting outside the team facilities in Berea, knee deep in Burger King bags, concocting half-baked theories based on who goes in and out the front door.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Grossi might be the most responsible person for Modell not coming close to the HoF. He deserves my eternal respect for that.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He is theCleveland Browns beat reporter for the Browns.biggest gossip monger and idiot among PD reporters
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Brady Quinn
If Holmgren believe’s that Quinn has the tools and ability to be a good QB,then I think it’s worth it to give him the reigns and not worry about wins and losses right away.To me the idea of competing in pre season is a waste of time.It’s okay for rookies who are competing for a roster spot.I believe a quarterback should be chosen before pre season and developed during the exhibition games.
i dont think Holmgren or anyone else in the NFL is that excited about Quinn or we would have traded him already for a 3rd round pick
That’s exactly right. If Quinn was considered a league-average QB we would have found someone to take him. The lack of a trade and substantial playing time is revealing.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So, you’re a fortune teller?
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Quick question..
Does anyone here have an interest in taking part (finishing) in the Mock over at MtD? We are in middle of a 7 rounder and have just finished the first 2 rounds. We need someone who can be relied on ASAP. You can email me at colts.faith@yahoo . com (no spaces)
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Since you’re an Angels fan, I’d have to say NO!!!!!!!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
so baseball teams determain what you do and don't in football?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
In this sense it does. I’m an A’s fan. Hope you understand.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ok sorry you hate the angels so much you don't want to draft for you own Browns football team :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t do favors for Angel fans.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I look at it like doing a favor for your browns fans or for a Colts fan since we are football here.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re an Angels fan. You should know that I’m joking at some extent.
I have respect for everyone on DBN and don’t feel comfortable drafting guys in the name of DBN.
Plus you’ve already done two rounds, I have no interest.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
look, everyone is so bewildered by this and is acting like its the worst thing we could have done. can someone tell me why everyone is so sure that delhomme is going to repeat what was BY FAR the worst season of his career? does one season really constitute a trend? Not trying to say they were ever at the same level, but didn’t Brett Favre have a couple pretty terrible seasons before turning it around last year?
please, somebody explain to me why we’re fairly hog certain that jake delhomme is the worst quarterback ever, all based on one season and one playoff game.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Brett Favre is the only QB i can think of who has ever bounced back from a career worst season after his 36th birthday. Farve is a mortal lock for the hall of fame.
Doesn’t mean Delhomme can’t do it, but it sure isn’t going to be easy.
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Kurt Warner is not a lock. If you have read Peter King at all this year, he has been debating Warner in the hall already. I’ll give you that he is far better than Jake, but the point was to point out that there are guys who rebound late in their careers. I am confident I could find other examples if I felt like it.
Warner is a two time MVP of the league, and one of only six players to win the MVP of the league and the Superbowl MVP in the same season.
Went to three superbowls with 2 different teams, won one of them. He has posted the 3 highest passing yardage totals in the history of the super bowl. Warner is also second all time in career completion percentage.
His arrival turned around two of the most consistently inept organizations in the NFL and took them to the super bowl. He has been brilliant in the biggest games in his entire career.
This guy is a mortal lock to make it to the hall of fame.
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He is not a lock. He may make it, but it’s not even close to being a lock.
Warner had some great seasons but he wasn’t good for very long. Terrelle Davis looked like a HOF lock at one time as well and he’s still not in.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Kurt Warner: Lock.
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I really don’t think so. He’ll probably make it but he’s far from a lock.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this. I think he should make it and i think he will, but its not a lock.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If “lock” means he will eventually get in then yes…it may take some years.
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by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry man, Warner is in on the first ballot.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that I agree or not, but Warner will be inducted in five years.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He may get in, but I really doubt he’s in on the first ballot. Heck, Chris Carter still isn’t in after two ballots and he’s higher on the all-time WR list than Warner is on the all-time QB list.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m surprised carter isn’t in, wasn’t he the second receiver to get 1000 receptions?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter needs to get in net year, period.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
yeah like i said, I was really surprised to hear he wasn’t in already
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Then how would you explain Andre Reed getting further than Carter in the voting process?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Collins was never as bad as Delhomme was last season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I concede that Collins and Delhomme are a pretty good comparison. Only difference is that Collins hasn’t totally imploded in the past two seasons.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s the worst ever. I think he’s old, has a season’s worth of throwing picks like DA, and looks like our presumed starter given that we just paid him 7 million dollars. I can’t figure out where this duplication of the Seneca Wallace signing at greater expense fits in to the big picture either.
I’d kind of hoped for youth building toward the future, or journeyman stability stationkeeping, not the acquisition of an older QB who’s dependent on seriously rehabilitating his career in order to not suck as bad as DA.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
please, somebody explain to me why we’re fairly hog certain that jake delhomme is the worst quarterback ever, all based on one season and one playoff game.
Worst QB ever is a stretch.
As for the rest of it, here is the shakedown.
Delhomme was never a very good QB, he was an average-to-good QB with a nice supporting cast. He was a game manager. His stats look very similar to David Garrard’s numbers. So lets not forget that this is the kind of QB we are talking about to start with. This isn’t Favre or Warner.
Delhomme is/was a game manager that has lost his most important trait, protecting the ball. 25 INT’s in his last 12 games. Even at DA’s worst he wasn’t this bad. Why do you expect him to have some great turn around throwing to MoMass, Robo, Stuckey, Watson and Moore? Hell, at least BQ protected the damn football.
You can’t blame Delhomme’s crap performance on the rest of the team. Matt Moore came in off the bench and put up nice numbers in relief (61%, 8-2 ratio and 7.6 YPA). Delhomme not only had a bad season, but he has been bad since his Tommy John surgery on his right arm.
Old? Check.
Injured? Check.
Bounce back season at the age of 36 surrounded by lesser players? Only if we are smoking dope.
The Panthers, one of the most financially reserved teams out there, paid him 12 million dollars to go away. They have seen Jake D up close and personal for the past two seasons. They knew he was no longer a starting QB. They were worried about him being a back-up QB. So they paid him to go away.
Yet we gave him starters money. Is their anyone who thinks this was a good move?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Delhomme was never a very good QB, he was an average-to-good QB with a nice supporting cast
as opposed to what we have now: putrid, with a little less of a supporting cast. i don’t understand why this one move is making everyone seem to want to fire up the “holmgren must go” train.
i don’t understand why this one move is making everyone seem to want to fire up the "holmgren must go" train.
Anyone doing this should report immediately to cleveland dot com.
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You mean the 9th floor?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason the money bothers me is that is money we could have used on upgrading another position. Ryan Clark or Atogwe?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
its an uncapped year, why can’t we spend money on them too?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Their contracts will span more than this year alone, whereas Delhomme’s is really only focused on this season. Truthfully, I think Ryan Clark had no interest in coming here, because reports were that the Browns had been in contact in attempts to sign him before he re-signed with Pittsburgh.
I don’t know about Otogwe, but if your assuming delhomme’s contract isn’t important past this year, why does he keep us from spending money on other guys?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I assumed your response was meant to explain why delhomme’s contract was money we could have spent elsewhere, which was B19K’s original point.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, I agree with you. I think we have pursued some of the other high quality free agents as well, but they may not have been interested or we didn’t want to overpay over multiple seasons.
Atogwe has the right of first refusal.
Pretty much, if we agreed to a deal with him, then the Rams would have a week to match. If they didn’t match, they would get nothing.
Think of it is a UFA who gives his team a chance to match.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because the NFL doesn’t have a cap doesn’t mean that this team doesn’t have a budget. There is an end to the money.
No other team interested in Delhomme, New Orleans being the other, was interested in him as a starter. We were bidding against ourselves (as far as we know).
Call me crazy, but 7 million dollars for a QB that no one else wanted is stupid money. Theoretically that money could have gone towards a WR (Chris Chambers), a Safety (Atogwe), or even another ILB (Bullack?).
To just say, “there is no cap” is a dangerous way to approach this offseason. No cap doesn’t mean no budget. We aren’t the Yankees.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
first of all, is the 7 million confirmed?
even if it is, I don’t think its dangerous to approach this offseason with the idea that we can spend more money, as long as it only applies to spending it this year. I wouldn’t give out a huge multi-year deal, but i have no problem with a front-loaded 2 year deal.
We may be on a budget, but i’m willing to bet our budget for this year is pretty huge, as long as it only impacts this season.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, the money is secondary.
We shouldn’t have signed Jake Delhomme because he is horrible is the main point.
Giving him 7 million dollars (or so) was just the icing on the moron cake.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I am willing to bet Lerner would go into bigtime millionaire debt if it meant we became a good franchise. I don’t think actual dollars are a big deal to him.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Spending money hasn’t been a problem for Lerner.
But still, bidding against yourself will catch up with you at some point.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude has like 2.2 billion dollars. The cleveland browns as a buisness are a money printing press. He really doesn’t have to care what he spends on players. $10 million is like nothing to him.
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Tell the Glazers that the NFL is a guaranteed money maker.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
the cleveland browns are a guaranteed money maker
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
the cleveland browns are a guaranteed money make rIF you are a competent businessman
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, except for wanting to get bullock b/c:
a) he has never played ILB in a 3-4 and is more of a 4-3 OLB and I don’t know how he will fit
b) I believe he tore his ACL last season (or some major injury)
c) He will be 33 next month
d) He has seen a dropoff in his play since around the age of 30 (2007). this significant dropoff, combined with a major injury makes me skeptical.
I just am not/was not sure it makes sense in the big picture.
I guess I would bet on Delhomme being better than BQ last year, and we were able to trade Quinn for picks and a player.
So essentially, we got got a short-term upgrade at QB and some late-round draft picks in exchange for a ridiculously slim chance we had a franchise QB.
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I would say that is likely that he doesn’t have a good season. It is not like he is peyton manning having a bad season. he is an above average QB who is aging and might have hit the wall.
At the same time, his shoulder might not have been completely healed from tommy john (which can take a long time).
I don’t think it is at all fairly hog certain that he will be bad, or good.
his shoulder might not have been completely healed from tommy john
Tommy John is an elbow surgery.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Having Tommy John surgery on your shoulder goes a long way towards explaining those 18 interceptions.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Outstanding.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The Charlotte Observer reported today that the Panthers have no interest in Quinn. A team desperate for a QB has no interest in Quinn. What does that tell you?
tells me that they believe they have their man in Matt Moore. That was evidenced by their cutting of Jake Delhomme. I’m not surprised that they don’t want to add anyone who might cause a QB controversy. They are handing the reigns to Moore and seeing what he’s got.
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Absolutely
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The only place Brady Quinn will cause a controversy is in Cleveland.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What can you say? The fans are ruthless.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was able to catch Rome talking about this on his morning show. He said we are ruthless and have the right to be.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A team desperate for a QB has no interest in Quinn. What does that tell you?
Too bad he wasn’t a free agent, the Browns would have given him 7MIL.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be a more accurate joke if we were discussing DA….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For 7 million , they could have signed DSharper , a future HOF’er , and brought immediate credibility to the defense . Collecting mediocre QB’s won’t win any more games than last year . Holmgren’s stance that he’s giving Mangini more options is a cop out . He’s setting up Mangini to fail , which he is more than capable of on his own .
I guess my point is we need game changing players , more so than a conglomeration of solid performers . Didn’t know Sharper had surgery , would prefer still ; a questionable Sharper , as opposed to a washed up Delhomme .
That’s why he’s salty.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Some teams go from worst to first , and have high expectations . It seems Cleveland has an " it’s OK to rebuild on a 5 year plan attitude" I’m tired of waiting for next year , but further I apologize for bashing you several days ago . I have a salt free diet on Sunday
Salt is good for you though, just in moderation.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That kinda sounds like a Phil Savage approach to free agency.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
“I could come up with about 100 other lines that were used, but the one thing you won’t really find is a positive reaction.”
To be sure, several people are quite positive, and the negative reactions are really OVERreactions. I say they are overrections because it’s not like we are taking a huge chance or replacing a superstar with a washed up veteran. Really, all of the reactions pertaining to the QBs ever since 1999 have been overreactions because all of our QBs have amounted to a hill of beans.
What’s the saying? “Don’t sweat the small stuff”…? This is pretty small in the scheme of things.
You folks want to get angry and upset? Just go over to the Draft Reviews. Read a few of those and this will compare to one of the many 5th round picks (at worst) we have experienced and NOT rank as a Chaun Thompson-type (2nd round reach/gamble that weakens the team for years) decision.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Another point about “credibility” – it sure looks like Quinn has absolutely no credibility in the lockerroom. This offense needs a leader who is hungry to perform well. What other QBs currently available fills those requirements?
When the head coach gets teary eyes when releasing a player- that says something about his credibility.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tweets from DQ and Eric Wright when DA was released gave me a hint that they threw their support behind DA over Quinn.
I wonder why they had such a problem with Quinn. He seems like a nice guy, not the tool that most automatically label him as because he’s from ND and good looking. Plus, he’s better than DA by a slight margin.
Nice guys don"t win football games , neither does “good looks” or popstar charisma[ ? ] Isn’t winning the reason they play , where’s Herman Edwards when I need him .
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by jaws. on Mar 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That was great.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Parcells’ flows like a mad man.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
God bless to my man DA..I still feel the guy can lead any team with the right pieces around him!
This was from DQ, which was retweeted by Eric Wright.
Maybe they are trying to up his credibility in the hopes that he starts somewhere so they can load up on sacks and ints.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL could be…could be.
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Another Polomalu interception!
That’s all this signing keeps screaming to me. And the Brown’s QB Carousel just got even more ridiculous. If we end up cutting Ben you guys can have him for 3 straight years of 1st round pics. Not!
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Mar 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
At least our QBs aren’t fat, drunk rapists.
There’s always that.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Whoa, that’s not fair.
Ben Roethlisberger has not been proven to be fat yet.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Proof. Actual picture of Ben in his office during the offseason.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
“HEY YOU GUYS!”
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Been laughing for ten minutes. Holding in the throwup.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing is certain about Jake Delhomme: He wont get busted for sexual assault in a seedy college divebar in east turdville, Georgia.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Or crash his motorcycle like a complete idiot.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a Kellen Winslow?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Reuben Droughns.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Take it from someone who has spent time in Milledgeville, GA, there is NO reason a NFL player should be there.
Nothing good happens in Milledgeville.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If you cut Ben, we wouldn’t have to give you anything for him. But you are a Steelers fan, so I can see where the breakdown in logic occurs. At birth.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Considering we were able to make Ward cry without having a QB last year, I think you should concentrate on making sure your team is healthy and free of court cases.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
on a sidenote, Delhomme was weeping like a gushing water main break on 9th street a couple weeks ago…all we need a mentally weak QB (kinda kidding…kinda not)
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
How did you guys do in the playoffs this year?
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by rufio on Mar 14, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Better yet, how did they do in the 2nd half of the season.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just read on PFT that Shaun Hill just got traded from the 49ers to the Lions for a 7th round pick! Hill, in his 3 year career of 19 games played/10 starts has a 87.3 QB rating with 23 TD/ 11 Int. Is Quinn worth anything?
I would have rather had Hill than Delhomme. Your point about Quinn’s value is a good one.
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Pretty good bargain for the Lions.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the one thing is, upside.
With BQ you get a young guy who was very mediocre in the league but has good tools, started all 4 years in college, and played well in college.
With Shaun Hill, you get a 30 yr old UDFA who played one full season in college, and is a career backup with only 16 career starts in 8 seasons (and before ’07 in SF, no career pass attempts).
basically, you know what you are going to get with Shaun Hill…a seneca wallace type, but less mobile. a guy who is a good backup in the league but is not overly talented.
With BQ you get a guy who is probably a backup but has good upside.
Jake Delhomme signing
I may just slit my wrist.
So is there anyone that Is interested in participating in the 7 round mock at MtD?? The previous rep bowed out so we need a replacement
Brownie’s Year already said he isn’t.
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cool you could check out the guidlines here of how we run it. Also by friday we would need your BPA list. we may be ready for your pick before but we will see.
if you go there and can email me that would be great. http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/3/13/1371725/2-7-round-results-next-one-will-be
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ANDERSON vs DELHOMME
I hope Jake resurrects his career in Cleveland , however it seems that DA at 25 or 26 had a bigger potential upside than the 35 year old Delhomme , who was equally erratic despite the presence of Steve Smith , Williams , and Stewart . Deangelo Williams was available in the 2006 draft when we chose Wimbley , hopefully Holmgren drafts better .
Uhhhhh, it’s Heckert who will be leading the draft and I feel in pretty good shape knowig that to be the case.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it really comes down to this:
would I prefer someone else as my QB? yeah, for sure
do i think it would be the end of the world if jake delhomme started? no, not at all
Jake Delhomme is obviously nothing more than a placeholder, and i think he can do that at least as well as quinn would. I think all the doom and gloom here is a big overreaction.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
A placeholder is Doug Pederson. JD is serving a greater purpose, given his contract and experience.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People slitting wrists. Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!
When did this site become Cleveland.com???
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
c’mon, some of the negativity has been a litle over the top. even if he starts, he isn’t going to be as bad as what we had last year. he just isn’t.
the only thing certain is that Delhomme’s only purpose is to keep the job warm for whomever holmgren drafts in the 3rd round. We will come away with this draft with a quarterback.
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That could have been cheaper and in house.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but i would personally rather have a rookie learn behind delhomme, and without a cap this season i don’t really know why the money matters. We get to act like a big market baseball team this season because our owner wants to spend whatever it takes.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re right. Then again, look at Delhomme’s stats for last year. I’m trying to be positive, really I am.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
look at his stats every year before that, and its easier to be positive.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know. Just having DA 2007 flashbacks.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s gotta hurt, getting traded for a white running back.
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I think that is actually the plan. We acquired Hillis to mentor Gerhart on being a white running back.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
by Villeslgr on Mar 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Me too.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is: I hope we can turn a couple of these draft picks into a starting strong safety to pair with eric berry.
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Is this real?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I put up a fanshot on the front page.
Thanks for the heads up Dorn.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it’s cathartic for both sides. The BQ story in Cleveland is over. Moving on….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I’m glad we don’t have to worry about that controversy anymore.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t get why we invested in Quinn, set him up to fail – then don’t allow him a chance to prove himself with 1 more season. Nowhere near enough starts to judge his potential. Don’t like this move at all.
we didn’t set him up to fail, he failed all on his own.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He had one shining moment…the Lions game this year….since then nothing close. I wish him the best in Denver, he was a QB that didnt get into trouble away from the game, was a Browns fan as a kid….just didn’t have it.
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not like the signing, but ...
1 This gives Browns a vet QB who has led his team to a Super Bowl
2 Jake wants to prove his critics wrong
3 He chose Cleveland over New Orleans – shows he wants to earn it, not tag along on a champ
4 His struggles may have been due to slow recovery from injury, and he may be much better if healthy
5 Holmgren picked him, and he knows QBs
6 Opens the door to drafting a QB and giving him time to develop
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
by WarWolf on Mar 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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