Cleveland Browns Massive Overhaul Continues: Brady Quinn Traded to Denver, Kamerion Wimbley Shipped to Oakland
by Chris Pokorny on Mar 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT
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So, you thought things would calm down for a little bit after the signing of QB Jake Delhomme?
Think again.
The Cleveland Browns made two significant trades Sunday afternoon, both involving teams in the AFC West. In an expected move, QB Brady Quinn was traded to the Denver Broncos. In an unexpected move, LB Kamerion Wimbley was shipped to the Oakland Raiders. Here are the reported details of each trade:
The Brady Quinn Deal (Source):
BRONCOS GET:
- QB Brady Quinn
BROWNS GET:
- RB/FB Peyton Hillis
- 6th round draft pick in 2011
- Conditional draft pick in 2012
Commentary: Hillis was a seventh-round draft pick by the Broncos in the 2008 draft. There was no way the Browns were going to get the same value they spent on Quinn (almost two first round draft picks), but I'm definitely intrigued by acquiring Hillis. During the 2008 campaign, Hillis became a spot starter for the Denver Broncos due to an array of injuries the team suffered. The 250-pound fullback finished the season with 343 yards rushing (5.0 average) and 5 touchdowns, and also proved to be an effective receiver. He didn't get nearly as many touches last year.
I still am not thrilled with the thought of "giving up" on Quinn; I guess we'll see how long it is before he takes over for Kyle Orton in Denver. If Josh McDaniels had an interest in Quinn last year and still went out and acquired him this year, I don't think he wants him to be some form of a veteran backup. Eric Mangini made this statement regarding the Quinn trade:
“I appreciate everything Brady did for us last year and in his three seasons with the Cleveland Browns,” Browns coach Eric Mangini said in a statement. “He is professional in the way he goes about doing his job and worked extremely hard at every aspect of his game. I wish him the best of success in Denver.”
The Kamerion Wimbley Deal (Source):
RAIDERS GET:
- LB Kamerion Wimbley
BROWNS GET:
- 3rd round draft pick in April (speculation)
Commentary: The reports seem to indicate that the Browns received a third-round draft pick for Wimbley. Wimbley never lived up to the hype, and I suppose I'm "ok" with getting rid of him. We probably received the maximum compensation we could have for him, since the Raiders have an early third-round draft choice. It's funny to see Oakland again going after speed again.
The details of the trades above will be updated as more information becomes available. Feel free to sound off on both of these deals in the comments section below!
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NEVER EVER draft a transition DE / OLB in the first round. Huge bust rate. Follow Bill Belichick: Draft them in the second.
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So easy to be invisible in Cleve: Since 2006, Terrell Suggs 27 sacks, Wimbley 26.5. per chris mortenson’s twitter
Yeah he wasn’t too bad, but not quite #6 overall pick production.
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Wimbley was pretty good in coverage for a 3-4 OLB. The problem was he was never the dominant pass rusher he was drafted to be.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree…
I guess he was pretty good for his position. He definitely could have been better. I was more thinking about the fact that there was the comparison to Terrell suggs. I think suggs was signifiacantly better coverage wise…even earlier in his career.
I think Suggs is significantly better coming forward, I actually think Wimbley is better in coverage.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t know how telling this is, but:
Suggs: 36 career passes defended, 5 career picks, 2 touchdowns.
Wimbley: 5 career passes defended, 1 career pick
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yes, but wimbley got 41.5% of that production his rookie season. in 2 less games too, suggs had more tackles solo, and assisted. suggs also was much better in coverage, whereas wimbley still struggles.
Here are the other stats they compiled besides sacks.
Suggs: 271 Total Tkls, 196 Solo, 2 INTs, 1 Defensive TD, 7 FF, 28 PDef
Wimbley: 248 Total Tkls, 185 Solo, 1 INT, 7 FF, 4 PDef…
Not only was suggs better against the run, but he was also much better in coverage.
you cannot take one stat and judge the worth of a player. Peyton manning threw twice as many interceptions (as a percentage of completions, 2.8% to 1.4%) as matt moore..does that make moore a better QB?
except that the guys that flounder (like wimbley) are guys who are more speed rushers and were never great against the run but just have elite physical skills. a guy like derrick morgan (or brandon Graham but he is projected much lower) is going to likely be less of a bust. these guys don’t rely purely on speed and also are good against the run. this style of play busts less than the wimbley (or ricky sapp) style.
pass rushing “conversion players” who are DEs in college but become rush LB in the pros have a higher bust rate. It just is tough to make the transition to the new position. Derrek morgan may be a very good player in this league but he isn’t really what the browns need most pressingly. I don’t think he fits great in the 3-4 and shouldn’t be worth a #7 to us. Size makes him more valuable to the cover 2 teams.
We need to fix the atrocity that is our secondary, and fast. If we get the vibe that someone is going to take berry, i say pull out the extra picks and get a trade done. Nothing insane but I think teams will be more than willing to move down this year. Berry has got to be the guy he is one of the best players in the draft and at least begins to fill a gigantic gaping hole in the browns secondary.
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pass rushing "conversion players" who are DEs in college but become rush LB in the pros have a higher bust rate.
Show me where this is true. From what I have found in my on going study is that OLB/DE players are actually useful draft picks. If there is something else out there that I have overlooked, please show me, because I would really like to get my hands on this.
If not, please stop repeating false statements.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
there are always busts, but I feel a lot of the busts fall into 2 groups:
a) Workout Warriors: guys who were inconsistent in college and didn’t have great or even very good production but rise up draft boards b/c of potential and physical Skills:
Examples of a): JPP, Kamerion WImbley, Vernon Gholston (put up good numbers in college but overdrafted b/c of of ridiculous combine. Wimbley was never a great player in college but had all the physical skills (like the 4.6 40 combined with the 250 pound body).
b): Guys who rely on physical skills to make plays, such as speed, and do not have developed pass rush moves and are not great players against the run (which limits the amount of downs they can play)
Examples of b): Ricky Sapp, WImbley, Jarvis Moss. Notice how wimbley shows up on both?
The guys I see as being the safest best are the pure pass rushers. these are guys who have enough speed but also have great technique. while these guys don’t have the “upside” of a gholston, these are the guys that are much better Pro Players in general. these guys also usually produce more in college.
Guys like this (that produced in college and relied on things other than physical skills, plus weren’t workout warriors) were:
Tamba Hali (good player)
Lawrence Timmons (good player)
Demarcus Ware (somewhat of a workout warrior but great pass rush moves and produced in college)
WIllie McGinest (ridiculous college production)
Calvin Pace
and then in this draft, Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham.
Wimbley wasn’t a bust.
He was medicore, but far from a bust.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
he was a bust from the perspective of being drafted in the top 16 picks. He should have made a pro bowl by now or something.
he was a fine player but overdrafted.
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So since he was drafted in the top 16 picks and he hasn’t been to a Pro Bowl he is a bust?
By your foolish standards Clavin Johnson, Lee Evans, Dunta Robinson, DJ Williams, Ty Warren, and Quinton Jammer are all busts.
Facts. Gotta use facts.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Get your head out of your Clavin.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
How can you consider a guy who hasn’t been drafted a bust?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Tell us bross09 from the future, who should we pick?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
did I call anyone who hasn’t been drafted a bust??? I just said they fell into the categories of past busts…
All I said is that JPP and other guys shot up not because of production but b/c of the combine and other factors. JPP will end up being a combine warrior type. so was wimbley…his college production was mediocre…
How is Jason Pierre Paul a bust?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 15, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back…
anyways, we already went over this. i said he fits the mold of a type of player who often turns out to be a bust (at least for where he is drafted). I am not saying, nor do I explicitly say I think he is one or claim that he is.
I do think he will likely be a bust but that is just my opinion.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
You still can’t put him in the category of bust when he hasn’t even played in the NFL yet.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
did I say he was a bust???
you keep missing the point…
I was stating certain types of players that are often busts. not all of these types are bust, but I find them riskier than maybe a brandon graham. JPP fits that group with a higher bust rate. like I said, I think he will be a bust, but I do not say for certain that he is or will be.
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did I say he was a bust???
Yes.
there are always busts, but I feel a lot of the busts fall into 2 groups
b): Guys who rely on physical skills
Examples of b): Ricky Sapp
Do you see now why people think you are already calling Ricky Sapp a bust?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
wow…I didn’t really look at it closely. I worded that extremely badly. I should have included saying that these guys fit the mold of those certain kinds of busts.
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I don’t know I got it…
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by notthatnoise on Mar 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sacks are one of the more meaningful stats in college, they tend to project to the pros decently.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree. That is why I worry with JPP who only had one year of D1-A experience and only 6 sacks in that year.
in 4 years at FSU, These are wimbley’s stats:
12 Sacks, 12 TFLs, 108 Tkls (67 Solo) 3 Fumble Recoveries
This is his Senior Season: 7.5 Sacks, 11 TFLs 26 Tkls (11 Solo).
His stats are highly unimpressive and there are guys (like eric norwood) in the current draft who put up similar stats (7 sks, 11.5 TFLs, 81 Tkls, 58 Solo) their senior season but didn’t dominate the combine like Wimbley did and are going in later rounds…
I see a lot of Wimbley in JPP. neither one produced in college. The guys that are sometimes the better players are the guys without elite physical skills but high motor guys who consistently made plays in college. by this I mean guys like Lamarr Woodley, and Tamba Hali. Also in the mold (but both may be better) are Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham.
I would love to get him in the same manner we got Alex Mack.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Trading down will be very difficult this year. Lots of teams would like to do it. The browns kinda hit a home run by doing it last year with this economic climate. I think the Jets new front office will blow up in a few years because they have shown themselves to make impulsive decisions that are very high risk.
Like I’ve said I’ve got all my chips on Berry because he is easily the best fit, even giving up a pick to move up and get him still makes the draft all together much better. No other option leaves us in such good shape on our second pick.
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This is not true.
Brian Orakpo, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, Terrell Suggs, John Abraham, Andre Carter, Anthony Spencer, and Calvin Pace in the past ten seasons alone.
Busts are Gholston, and who? Many players haven’t been stars (Lawson, Hali, etc.) but I can only find one massive bust.
As for the other half of your false statement:
Follow Bill Belichick: Draft them [DE/OLB tweeners] in the second.
This is 100% a lie. Look for yourself. Since BB has been in NE, he has taken 0 DE/OLB’s in the second round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Facts: who needs ’em!
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Since 1993, there have been 51 defensive ends or pass rush linebackers drafted in the first 16 picks. of those 51 players just 20 ever made the pro bowl. of the 20 who made the pro bowl just 8 might be considered “tweener” players.
8 out of 51.
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Where is this evidence?
Since when did the first round only last until the 16th pick?
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by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
just count them up on wikipedia. top 16 is where the biggest risk and thus the biggest busts are. If you blow the 28th pick it isn’t as detrimental.
my rules were totally arbitrary and i get what you are saying but the fact remains DEs tend to bust out when taken that high.
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16 is just he first half of the draft. Arbitrary number but whatever. top 16 are the worse half of the teams who need a hit on the pick more desperately.
Anyway don’t worry about it every player is an individual case, but I still am not a big fan of drafting Morgan or Pierre Paul
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And how, exactly does that compare to other positions?
And how many of those 51 are “tweener” players? You can’t put tweeners in one category by themselves and then lump them in with DEs in another. That makes no sense.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
the question is, how many of the 51 were tweener players. you whole logic is screwed up, even ignoring the arbitrary number of 16.
you are arguing that tweeners are higher of a risk. by your logic, because less made the pro bowl not only do the bust more, but they aren’t as successful.
there are multiple things you fail to do to make any logical argument/research.
a) you fail to mention or calculate how many of the 51 that were drafted were tweeners.
If the number was let’s say 20 and 8 made the pro bowl, that is 40%. It would be 38% for all other players too. By failing to mention this, you fail to even point out if tweeners actually make it to the pro bowl at a lower rate. I would personally think 20 out of 51 is pretty accurate…it might even be slightly lower, because there weren’t as many as used to be drafted.
b) how you classify tweener. do you classify it as someone who plays in a 3-4, or someone who only fits a 3-4.
c) the fact that you fail to mention the % of busts. this whole thing started because you said:
pass rushing "conversion players" who are DEs in college but become rush LB in the pros have a higher bust rateNow where did you talk about busts here? absolutely nowhere. you just mentioned Pro bowls.
Lets theoretically say that guys who don’t have to switch positions make pro bowls at a higher rate…does that make them less risky? What if they were twice as likely as a tweener player to bust? You do not address the issue of busting at all. what you need to do is also figure out a % of each of tweener and normal 4-3 DE and find out what % are busts…but personally after this, I would rather see B19K do it.
But how many of the 51 do you consider tweeners? You gotta change the denominator if you are going to change the numerator based on tweeners. 8 of 51, even by your arbitrary standards means absolutely nothing.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Trusnik is not an outside guy, Veikune is still a massive project and I have heard rumors is being groomed to play on the inside. benard is nothing special, and hall might not be with the team much longer.
They need a guy who can stop the run and rush the passer, a guy who has been consistent and has talent (benard is nice but not much upside at all).
If bradford and Berry are gone, watch them get Morgan.
seriously??? Yeah, lets draft a guy who had only one year of D1 experience, never put up spectacular numbers, and was mediocre in that one season when defenses weren’t paying him that much attention.
yeah, we absolutely cannot miss with this pick. Pierre Paul is a boom or bust guy If i’ve ever seen one.
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we absolutely cannot miss with this pick. Pierre Paul is a boom or bust guy
Wait…isn’t the DEFINITION of a boom or bust guy is that they will either be great or a BUST??? Contradictory much?
I would rather have a guy who put up very good stats in college, is polished, might not have elite physical skills but has good pass rush moves and is a safer pick. I just don’t want to miss again that high, especially on a guy who is all upside…that is what wimbley was too. go back, he didn’t have great college stats either…neither did JPP. you know who did? Lamarr Woodley. you know who did? Damarcus ware…Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham.
I am not saying that production in college directly correlates, but if you aren’t an effective player in the big east in college, I don’t have confidence in your abilities to be effective in the pros. take away the JC stuff, and pad the stats slightly, and JPP is Wimbley 2.0, except slightly bigger
Yeah, I DONT want to pick Pierre paul, too big a risk.
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exactly. He never produced in college…neither did wimbley. this is why I am arguing morgan could be good. In general, there is a correlation between getting sacks and producing in the pros and producing in college. there will always be guys who produce in college but not in the pros (like gholston) but guys who put up good numbers in college are much more likely to succeed than guys who put up mediocre numbers.
Don’t act like he didn’t produce. He had one year in South Florida and had 6.5 sacks. That isn’t bad.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 15, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It is for a first round talent. for a first round guy, I want someone who has produced at a high level for at least one year.
what he did was get 6.5 sacks as an unknown player, when teams were double teaming George selvie, in one year of D1-A experience, in the big east. Honestly, the 7.5 sacks Wimbley got his senior year were much more impressive b/c
a) Higher level of competition with more attention payed to and better stats
b) the fact that it wasn’t his first year in D-1A.
Please name me players who have had 6.5 sacks or fewer their senior year and were drafted to rush the passer in the first round?
Then, find someone who did not produce significantly at a D1-A school before that year…I don’t know if you can find one…
6.5 sacks is pretty pedestrian for an unheralded player in the big east. that isn’t bad for the third round or maybe the 2nd but bad for the first IMO.
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Big East still had Davis, Capers, Haslam, and Joe Thomas. All have a good chance at getting drafted.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thomas?
Anyways, I am not saying there aren’t good tackles.
I went onto prodraftparty.com and saw his highlights and lowlights.
When he played WVU, he was mildly effective but he was most effective when they mixed up where he was rushing from. only once out of the 6-7 plays did he get free of selvish capers. capers was able to contain him pretty much. the plays JPP made that they showed, he was mostly making against the run, or not lined up against capers…I looked up the stats, he had no tackles, no sacks, and only one QB hurry (no stat for it but saw it on tape)
I didn’t see many plays where he lined up against davis (at rutgers). The couple i saw, he did get dominated. He faced up and did fairly well against Haslam. Still haslam has a fairly good chance at getting drafted but I don’t see him going higher than the 5th round. He could go undrafted. Haslam is a marginal NFL prospect and it was against him that he had one of his best games.
I also saw him dominate the RT for Cincinnati. I looked it up, their DT was a 1-2 star recruit as a DE and was 217 pounds as a freshman. he was a RS junior RT that weighted 255 pounds. he was smaller than JPP…and he got dominated.
He also did well against syracuse…Syracuse was a pretty bad team. their RT was a walk on (from what I can find out…no scout.com or rivals profile) who has basically no shot at getting drafted.
I say RT a lot b/c JPP was listed in most places as the LDE on the team. that means he lined up over the RT. They had selvie on the other side. He did play against some left tackles but saw much less success when doing this. He was able to dominate some mediocre Right Tackles, but I doubt if he can be a consistent player against NFL caliber RTs.
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I believe he was talking about the Joe Thomas who is in the 2010 NFL draft. He went to the University of Pittsburgh.
Not the chosen one.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 16, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
oh. I didn’t know there was another Joe Thomas
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There can be only one!
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thomas actually is the only known human that can reproduce asexually. Each clone though, is not as powerful as the original but are the only creatures of the Earth allowed to share the same name.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe WVU runs the same freakin plays over and over again and he was bound to get a few right! Bubble screen right, zone read, bubble screen left, zone read. Sorry that is a post for a different website, but had to say it. For some reason we are scared to death to throw the damn ball downfield.
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He has the tools, but I would rather see if he can put it together for someone else.
Don’t get it wrong though, someone will take those tools early.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s large, slow, white, and a fullback from the South. There is also a rumor of him making a pass at the coaches wife. He instantly makes this roster 80% more interesting.
not that slow. He ran a 4.58 40. for a HB that is average (even for a power back) but for a FB, that is great. I kind of see him as a white, poor man’s version of LeRon McClain. He can be a goal line back too and started games at HB in 2008. He is in some ways like what you would get with toby gerhart…except that he has experience playing FB and can play it and block well, wheras I have heard talk that teams will switch gerhart to FB possibly (or the FB/RB role).
Hillis is GREAT for the west coast offense. He can play a diverse “Mike Alstott” kind of role with this team. He can carry the ball 8-10 times a game if you ask him. He could be your main short yardage back and be a factor in the passing game.
Guy is a good option coming out of the backfield and could flex out and be an H-back as well. I see him being a nice factor in the single back sets where he can come across the formation and blow up the scraping linebacker on the inside zone or he can pop the backer for a count and then run past him into the flat on the playaction. he is a nice piece for the west coast offense.
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I agree.
I like him getting 5-7 carries a game in short yardage situations. He is a good blocker so can fill in at H-Back (and maybe TE in goal line situations). he has soft hands and blocks well for a Running back. remember, he is actually a FB that they had as an RB the first season. he can truly play either. he played FB in college and paved the way for DMac and Felix jones…plus he was solid running and catching when he got the opportunity.
He also has underrated speed (4.58 40), especially for a FB. He can do so many things for a team and is still extremely young. he can develop into that type of H-Back that has to be accounted for on many plays (3rd down situations)
peyton
for a guy his size (which is really big) he’s really fast. yea he’s white. why does that matter? He’s got great hands and can catch the ball. a damn good blocker. The University of Arkansas didnt use him enough. and the denver broncos didnt either. the denver broncos coach sucks anyway. The browns got away with a good trade on this one
by Jacob Ty Cauley on Mar 15, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
did you get to see him play against LSU in his senior year?
by Jacob Ty Cauley on Mar 15, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Hillis and Touchdown Tommy is that Hillis has actually scored touchdowns in this league.
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You mean Turnover Tommy? I mean honestly how many QBs in history have thrown the ball down the wrong end of the field?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, before my time of consciousness in sports, so I thought of Tommy Maddox.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a great comparison to touchdown tommy is Gerhart
a) they were both power backs or FB/RB tweeners (fullbacks who could carry fairly well)
b) both went to stanford
c) neither had great (nor elite) physical skills but put up great stats in college
d) because of the stats, Vardell was wildly overdrafted (and I believe gerhart will be too)
He is a mangini try hard guy. Massive bruiser running back who has been a boss for them. He didn’t play much last year (mysterious circumstances) but he really carried them in a couple games when they lost all their running back depth to injury. A bit like Furrey he even stepped in at linebacker for them a little bit. Ultimate Mangini guy.
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The Broncos folks over at MHR seem to like him a lot but considered him underutilized. For what that’s worth….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He had huge games as a rookie vs Miami, NY Jets and KC. He was looking like a All-Pro FB after 2008. He didn’t fit in at all under McDaniels.
Pros: Great receiver, runs powerful and pretty fast and has a nose for the end zone.
Cons: Fumbler, can’t block for squat and no good on ST.
He’ll make the 2010 Browns roster (easily).
In my opinion.
You've confused Peyton Hillis with Spencer Larsen
Hillis has not played defense. Spencer Larsen is the FB/MLB hybrid you’re referring to. When Hillis got his shot at RB in 2008, Larsen went from FB2 to starting FB1, and also started at MLB during the same game when Denver went to Atlanta. He became the 4th(I think) player to start both ways since the merger. Hillis got injured a few games later, and never regained a starting role. In 2009, on those rare occasions that a play was called which required a FB, Coach McDaniels opted for Larsen. We liked Hillis alot because he showed some grit in 2008 under Shanahan, but he just didn’t have a place under the new staff. He’s a quality player though, and will make Browns fans proud.
by MDbroncosfan on Mar 14, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Like any new regime, McDaniels went out and guy running backs he liked, such as buckhalter, and Moreno…
This forced Hillis to be more of a true fullback instead of the RB/FB role.
I do agree. I think he can excel in the RB/FB role and be a 3rd down guy who can run for short yardage, catch the ball, and block.
the misterious circumstances were that
a) they got a great backup runningback in Buckhalter
b) They drafted a back in the first round
c) They got a veteran backup in Lamont Jordan
d) they lost their regular fullback so Hillis who was a RB/FB and started at RB in ‘08 became a full time fullback in a league (and on a team) that doesn’t run fullbacks much.
That wasn’t Hillis, it was Spencer Larsen.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine Lawrence Vickers will be the next Brown to get traded. One of the best lead FBs in the league. Not a perfect west coast FB per movethesticks twitter
Vickers isn’t going anywhere. Hillis will be lining up behind him.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
This. At least I hope so.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He had more to do with Harrison’s strong finish last year than Harrison did. He was literally playing the position better than anyone I’ve ever seen play.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I think there is no chance we let him go. Hillis wasn’t brought in to be a full-time blocking fullback.
I don’t think Hillis is a FB.
But, the front office has chased another FB already this offseason, I think they want to go another way.
I mean Leonard Weaver is a nice player, but if we would have given up a second rounder for him, I would have flipped my sh*t.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have too. I like Weaver but I think Vickers is about as good. This might have just been a case of management getting players they were familiar with. like mangini went after Jet players, Holmgren got his backup QB from seattle. Holmgren also got Weaver as a UDFA in seattle and then heckert picked him up last year, so it was a guy they were both familiar with.
Weaver is an absolute monster.
I’m not entirely sure our second rounders will have as much of an impact as he could have had. Of course this is all just speculation (and I’m not saying I’d support giving up a 2nd round pick for him), but writing Weaver off just because he’s listed as a “FB” is a mistake. He can make plays all over the field and does so.
I agree, I think he is like LeRon McClain.
That being said, he still isn’t worth a second rounder.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon, I’m a fan of Vickers too, but lots of those yards were after getting by the first level. Of course running the ball is a synergy, but there’s no way in hell Jamal runs for those yards. Ergo, Harrison’s at least as responsible (but in reality, much more so).
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
yeah, lots of those yards were after getting by the first level. who makes sure he makes it past that? Vickers. The reason jamal wouldn’t have done that is because he’s just too plain slow. anybody with decent speed for a running back would have made those plays.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He also said he wasn’t going to blow up the team.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true. Someone from the front office said that everyone except Thomas, Wright, Cribbs and Mack were available.
He said that when he first came in.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
We can still get a 6th rounder or 7th rounder and box of cracker jacks for Quinn right?
Hillis is only slightly better than the Cracker Jacks, but we already have Vickers…
by Simmsinns on Mar 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well guys, its been fun…
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
yep. It’s a shame. I really enjoyed talking to some of the guys here like you, bernie and rufio.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Moon will be more committed to the Browns now than ever before.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
DBN got robbed on the moon for TRSS trade.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Mar 14, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Dude, that’s not nice.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he used to be a Broncos fan before becoming a Browns fan. (Don’t ask, we have never received the explanation.)
He probably meant to go to the Bears website, saw the ass on Eric Steinbach and couldn’t leave.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
eewwww
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Moon came from Mile High, TRSS is leaving for Mile High.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nose pickings I’d assume
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all conditional.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Condition: you finally leave.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed at this for a while. REc.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to have you, disappointed that your allegiances are player-based, but good luck with the Broncos.
Thanks. I don’t really see what is wrong with player based allegiances.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that’s your opinion, but I’m not following wins, so why should you decide how i follow teams.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If you follow the players then why did you bother changing your screen name when Quinn was not the starter any more..? I personally was holding out hope for Quinn to make it this year……………
The screwed up thing is, Brady will probably thrive and become an All Pro for Denver. Denver will always find a way to frak us, and of course we frak ourselves best. What does it mean to be a Browns fan?
It means, screaming at the TV so loud the neighbors on the next block hear you, being pissed off on Mondays/Tuesdays, and Having your Heart ripped out repeatedly by that Mile High Smiling Jesus’. I’m disappointed that this team still doesn’t get it. “Player Developement”, is why the Patriots can consistently do what they do. We on the other hand are tards, and will be tards for years to come. I’m gonna hate work tomorrow, listening to all of those crap faced cowboys fans.
I sure hope this pans out, and if it dont Mike is going to get justifiably Crucified.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
but I’m not following wins
Being on a Browns website, this is obvious.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
A mythical beast that lives in our imaginations.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely everything
Is the short answer.
I think the guys here are going easy on you. To change colours based on one player is extremely fickle in my eyes. But like was pointed out earlier, it’s your prerogative to do so. Just as it is others to react accordingly. In my case team loyalty goes above everything else in football, hence my reaction. Loyalty to a player and not a team is not a concept I can at all identify with.
But as I said, horses for courses.
Go Browns.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well my loyalty is to Notre Dame if you put it that way. Quinn is my favorite player from Notre Dame.
I don’t live in Ohio.
Why should I follow the Browns instead of my favorite player?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if the loyalty is to ND, then BQ doesn’t matter anymore because he isnt there.
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 14, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I follow them in the pros.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.....
Sounds like you guys got a bandwagoner on ur hands. A true fan sticks to one team and only one team no matter what happens, or who leaves the team period. Either ur a browns fan or not dude.
He’s made no secret of the fact that he’s a Quinn fan and that that’s as far as his loyalty goes. No harm in that.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
If I was a bandwagoner wouldn’t my favorite team be one that made the playoffs?
nice try though.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No it just means you are on the BQ bandwagon, not a specific team’s.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's called One-man Bandwagoner plz look it up
on epsn.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/bandwagon/080620
Santonio Holmes played at OSU. I liked Santonio Holmes.
Santonio Holmes plays for the Steelers. Santonio is dead to me.
That is how it is done.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
exactly.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That's contradictory
to your team philosophy. I agree. Hate the Steelers, HATE the Ravens, but that’s more due to the history between the franchise’s. Holmes didn’t request to go to the Steelers, just like Troy didn’t ask to be in Baltimore. As a die hard O-state fan, I’ll always wish any Buckeye success in the pro’s. I hope the Steelers and Ravens lose every game they play, but I’d still wish those guys success. “he’s dead to me” is just childish.
So this goes without saying that you absolutely hate Michigan. What if the Browns drafted Michigan players and they turned out to be pretty good? Makes my stomach turn, but how would you handle that Mr. Kosar?
by navycavsfan on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
disagree. if you’re a brown, you’re a brown and i love you. if you’re a steeler, you’re a steeler and i hate you. college allegiances mean nothing to me in this rivalry.
i’m a penn state fan; but franco harris is an all-time asshole. that’s how it works for me.
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What if the Browns drafted Michigan players and they turned out to be pretty good? Makes my stomach turn, but how would you handle that Mr. Kosar?
It is very simple. I would love the guy.
Think of it like this, I love the Buckeyes and I love the Browns. Those two things don’t go hand in hand though.
I can hate guys in college that I love in the Pro’s (K2 and Braylon when he was catching the ball).
I can love guys in college that I hate in the Pro’s (Troy Smith and Santonio Holmes).
In 99% of the cases, the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back of the jersey.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
right. For me it comes down to this: I care about the NFL more than I care about the NCAA. for that reason, I personally do not like santonio holmes or troy smith. if they change teams, I’ll like them again, because it doesn’t interfere with my browns fandom. But if I have to choose between being a browns fan and being a bucs fans, browns every time.
I should also point out the only reason I started following college football was because robiskie went to ohio state.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you misunderstood me then. Nothing interferes with my Browns “fandom”. But as Bernie so eloquently put it “In 99% of the cases, the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back of the jersey.”
I think we all have the same philosophy, some of us apply it differently. As a Browns fan, I will never like the Steelers, Ravens, or Broncos. But as an Ohio State fan I will never wish ill upon those guys personally because they had no choice in going to teams we hate. In a perfect world, Holmes would have great #’s but the Steelers would lose every game and the Browns would be in the Superbowl
by navycavsfan on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I refuse to cheer for the success of any steeler player, regardless of where they came from, because the name on the front is more important than the name on the back.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I still hold out the hopes that he’ll come home someday…..
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, well you care about pro football more than college. I am the other way.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 15, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me put it another way. It’s not for me or anyone else to tell you why you should and shouldn’t follow a team. You have absolutely every right to follow whoever you want and for your reasons.
But quite honestly, when I read you were cashing in your chips and then when I realised you were serious, I couldn’t actually believe it. There’s a Terry Tate sized man mountain of difference between being a fully fledged Browns Backer and being a Brady Quinn fanboy.
And I’m sorry to say it, but a decision to actually root for Denver rather than the Browns just because Quinn has been traded puts puts you firmly in the latter bracket.
I don’t think that’s under any dispute at this point.
But my overall point?
You shared time and opinions here with people who were fans before Quinn was drafted and will still be fans long after he is traded. Guys following the Browns for 20, 30 years. Guys who were there at Cleveland Municipal stadium, the guys who cut their seats out to take with them. People who gave you the time of day and read your comments and engaged with you as a Cleveland Browns fan. But all of a sudden, nah, you don’t follow the Browns anymore because BQ is gone?
Team hopping isn’t looked upon favourably by most real fans no matter what the sport. And for good reason. With no loyalty and no allegiance, you’re just a trade or a cut away from another bandwagon to follow. So that’s why I’d be more set in my ways than most. Browns fans shouldn’t be any more welcoming of your decision to jump ship than Broncos fans should be at you arriving at their blog with a wide smile and a Quinn jersey.
We’ve all seen our favourite players move on, the difference is we’re about the team. The colours that don’t run. Cheering for Montana against SF as a 49ers fan when you’re frustrated and don’t think Young is the guy, well…
That I can get. Provided you STAY A 49NERS FAN.
Same with liking Denver a lot more because your guy went there.
But cashing out altogether? As fickle as it gets in the world of pro sports fandom if you ask me. And bear in mind, I reiterate, you can do what you like.
At this point I’m reminded of that scene in the Sopranos with Tony and Big Pussy on the boat, when Pussy gives what is basically his farewell speech and Tony greets it by saying simply:
“Hey Pus. Did you ever really exist?”
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I see what you are saying, but it isn’t going to change my mind. I don’t really care how bad of a football fan you think I am.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s touching and I’ll keep in mind that you don’t care because simply knowing that greatly enriches my life.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know that TTT is a Browns fan all the time way in Britain?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t. I almost moved there last year to be with my sister, Big Brother is in your house.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because you don’t know what’s going on.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What are we talking about again?
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah yeah, I get the references to Big Brother and assume it’s something to do with all the cameras whereby someone paid a visit and was surprised by the amount. Or someone read a statistic on Britons being the most watched people on earth or something similar. But there are all assumptions, made as the general conversation passed me by.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What? England has more cameras than China. How is that an assumption?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The assumption’s are on my part about what all the Big Brother 1984 stuff refers to, IE, Britain having lots of cameras. Which could be wrong, hence why I asked.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah man, as much as I want to talk about this, we can’t.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, smartass.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries at all. FOOTBALL BABY, etc etc.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you saw the ad for reporting your neighbors as terrorists if they keep to themselves?
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You too can be declared unmutual.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what I was talking about, but that’s pretty close.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Big Brother from the book 1984.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You want people watching you in your home? wtf
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In the words of Cosmo Kramer “If people want to watch, then by all means, enjoy the show!”
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
“You know, I’ve faked it”.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
1984 is in full swing there.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Great book, eh? Too bad it’s reality now.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re that close to socialism.
Now back to football!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are playing a dangerous game. I’m talking kicking down the doors dangerous!
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I live here because of work, not altogether sold on the place though. But yeah, they take being a fan very seriously over here.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
GO ROVERS!!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
OK. Good for him.
That doesn’t mean I have to. It’s not like I’m a 40 year old fan that just became a saints fan.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you’re a 16-ish year old fan who became a Broncos fan.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK. so…
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m done with it. He just want’s attention, like my 4 year old nephew.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, one good thing is (as long as he keeps number 10) you can still wear your pink Quinn jersey no matter where he goes…
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TTT, while totally acknowledging that being a fan means different things to different people, I absolutely have to salute this perspective. I can’t imagine following any team the way I have followed the Cleveland Browns, and that’s as it should be. Well said, sir.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. I totally agree. i was born and bred a Dawg. I don’t usually like bandwagoning people. I respect people who like teams that are good for a certain aspect. I honestly have always secretly liked the colts b/c Peyton was one of my favorite players coming out of college (but so was Vick…that was a mistake).
To me, it just baffles me to change allegiance, not on being good, but a player you like. at least bandwagoning on success seems logical in my mind. I can’t honestly comprehend the logic…
But I cannot follow a team like the browns. I post on The cavs and Indians SBN sites but nowhere near as much as on here. I like the conversations better, the people talk more (about the same as for the tribe, but much more than for the cavs) and I seem to find the most loyalty and consistent base here at DBN.
Excellent application of the saying “horses for courses”…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Happy trails if that’s the case, TRSS. Going to go back to BradyQuinnisBeast now?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it should be BradyQuinnturnedoutnottobeabeastatall
by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
BradyQuinnisGettingaFreshStart?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
BradyQuinnGotTradedForAFullback
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I like this game
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
BradyQuinnWillBeABackup
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, knock it off. The depression is all in your head. Snap out of it!!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that being depressed?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad. It sounded like you were. Don’t go anywhere. We like you here.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That is too bad.
Hopefully you stick around.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 14, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the rest of us are insulted (jk)
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
huh?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if we dont get atleast a third rounder for wimbley it was not a sound deal…
we should take lefevour in the third round, delhomme will mentor him and seneca is a good backup…not saying we should start lefevour right away but joe flacco started his first year
Holmgren is taking somebody in that third round.
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I not a fan boy of Tim Tebow (don’t see an NFL QB), but you honestly don’t think he’ll be a weapon in the NFL?
I suspect he’ll be a beast in short yardage and goal line opportunities. A rare and hard to match up with weapon if used properly.
I’d love if the Broncos took him in round 3, but I think he’ll be gone in round 2.
In my opinion.
We have Peyton Hillis now. Tebow would be completely redundant.
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yep…but imagine what mooncamping will think. not only do we have vickers and hillis (who he seems to have been a big fan of) but Tebow is the perfect build for his Fullback…plus he can have the fullback play QB and run an all fullback option; with a triple option of Hillis and Vickers at RB and Tebow at QB.
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Wimbley gone too wow… I know he will do well… I guess we just gotta trust in holmgren… Gotta give him a chance
quarterbacks
This might not be popular, but as a Vikings fan who has a lot of respect for Browns fans, I think this will be a positive for the Browns.
Jake Delhomme was an average to good quarterback until he had a throwing arm injury. In late 2007, he had Tommy John surgery. The interceptions he threw should not be surprising. It can take two or more years to recover from that surgery, as we know from baseball. There is a good chance Delhomme can bounce back in 2010.
Holmgren is obviously installing the West Coast Offense, while leaving the defensive scheme the way it was. There might be some additional creativity to the offense, though, as Mangini will have input on it.
Brady Quinn really was a bust, or at least not worth the 1st round pick. Even if he could become an effective backup, he is better suited to the Erhardt-offense that the Broncos run.
When the Vikings installed the WCO in 2006, it took awhile. We needed some veteran quarterbacking until the offense was ready to go.
When Holmgren was with the Seahawks and Packers, he got the starting quarterback via trade. Delhomme is not the Browns’ QBOTF. The Browns might draft a quarterback this year in the first or second round.
So far the Holmgren era looks promising for the Browns. Definitely a painful start, but promising.
I agree. Thanks for the support and the respect. I do respect the Vikes too. I always try to root for the teams that haven’t won a SB b/c I feel their pain (but sometimes a part of me wants them to fail just b/c of jealousy). It was so hard for me to root for that championship game b/c I liked both the saints and Vikes teams…plus I have been a lifelong Favre fan.
I do believe that the management is doing the right things and it is nice that other people are seeing that.
You may be right about the tommy John with delhomme. While I do not have a ton of confidence in him, I am not gonna say it was terrible completely b/c of last season.
It was easy for me, I dislike Favre, it was Saints all the way.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I reckon Hall gets cut after training camp.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
We need to follow in the browns footsteps xD
Great job gettin’ rid of quinn brownies now. Help us get rid of Jamarcus Russell…
I heard he’s over 300
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s your starter….. for ev er
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel your pain. If my dad din’t raise me as a Browns fan, I would have been a Raider fan. Bay Area for life baby.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The only light that will make Al Davis retire is at the end of a long dark tunnel.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Incoming wave of Browns criticism for giving up a “potential Franchise quarterback” for a FB and draft picks.
We’ll see about Brady Quinn I guess.
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Will we? Do you think he starts in Denver this year? Next? Ever?
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Don’t know. I’m referring to talking head speculation.
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Yeah. I agree the speculation and the cries from fans will be annoying for a bit. But it really will only be bad if Quinn succeeds. I don’t see that happening. I don’t see him starting.
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If he starts in denver....
The raiders will look like a superbowl team against them hahahaha no need to worry brownies :P
Anyone else have a very cathartic feeling right now? Getting rid of Quinn & Anderson just feels good.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Even with mixed feelings on BQ, yes. Time to press on!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said Gahnki
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man, you are just striking out with these jokes.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I found it slightly funny.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i really don’t get that at all… for two old runningbacks tomlinson has had the far better career but jones has played much better of recent
Thanks Skov. That’s interesting news.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish him the best, but not when he plays us this year.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
DRAFT PICKS
Can someone tell me , or give me a rundown , on how many draft picks we have , by rounds .? Roger ?
I smell more trades. 12 rookies cant make the team…
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i now think we’re gonna trade up for bradford. with the QB shuffling and acquisition of more picks, i see it happening.
Too many other needs. Holmgren is better off leaving the qb position until later in the draft, seriously.
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QB is the biggest need on any team. If you think you have a chance to take a good qb, and you need one, you never pass it up, regardless of other needs.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They can always trade this year’s picks for options in later years. The Pats are great at this. Trade a 4th this year for a third next year., etc,
I would love to see some of this or some packaging of 4th+ rounders to move back in to the 3rd or even 2nd rounds. Hard to do, but it would be great.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
This.
I have been begging for this front office to take advantage of this. Heckert and the Eagles have also been awesome at this, so hopefully it carries over.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
do it if you can. Savage fell for that trap to move up to take Beau Bell, Martin Rucker, and Paul hubbard. Traded away better picks the next year.
But those were three awesome players. I think one of them might still be in the NFL!!! After all this time, still in the league? Crazy. That Savage sure had an eye for talent. Awesome moves!!
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
4th rounder, 4th rounder and 6th rounder.
Small potatoes.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Brady traded for Peyton….um….wut? Oh.
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
“Nice” goes here. Reply fail and all that.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Holmgren is getting rid of the draft mistakes from the past. Good moves, if they got a 3rd for Wimbley that’s pretty good for a marginal starter. Just getting Quinn out of Cleveland for anything was a good move. I’m guessing a QB goes to them pretty early.
how pumped?
are you for the draft!!! saturday night in primetime baby
I was so mad when they changed the draft schedule. Hopefully I can get home in time for our first pick.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a Peyton Hillis highlight reel at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9cSqlca4w
We all know these kinds of things are trivial, but there’s some enjoyable watching here….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
hahahaha :30 in that video is Hillis running over Wimbley in embarrassing fasion.
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I was going to mention that but figured it’d be a surprise…..
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought one of the comments on You Tube was rather amusing too lol, “Before Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under his bed for Peyton Hillis”
Hope that is true lol…..
It isn’t, he checks for Joe Thomas.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ghosts don’t tell ghost stories, they tell Joe Thomas stories.
by Matt Y. on Mar 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Joe Thomas once gave up a sack just to see what it felt like, that and because DA was a douche.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
he fits in with that hard working tough guy mindset of the browns of old…..im a fan…he keeps his feet moving very well
Tommy John surgery and he hasnt been the same QB since…
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by Red-Right-88 on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what happens when you have Tommy john on your shoulder.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Jerseys
Wimbley was my last Browns jersey that was still on the team. Joe Jurevicius, Charlie Frye, Braylon Edwards. I should stop buying jerseys.
it seems like a crap shoot at this point with jerseys, at least until Josh got his contract…and I’m sorry but I’m not paying 140 dollars for a Josh Cribbs jersey unless it is signed.. call me a cheapskate…lol
I got a signed one for 90
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a store at the mall in Zanesville called Cardboard Heroes, over Christmas they had all Browns’ jerseys 50% off, all except for Josh Cribbs that is. Even at 50% off they were close to $80, they were the fancier stitched number variety though…
Well 90 after talking the guy down a bit.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
buy a joe thomas jersey, hes never going anywhere. that’s gonna be my next one, probably this season.
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to buy a Cribbs or Thomas. I can’t go on with just a Quinn jersey now.
/prays… please let some good player be #10 so I can tape over!
Thus is the peril in buying browns jerseys, I put in a similar reply to a comment by emily in another post, at least I still got my signed #16.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
my trent dilfer jersey barely got any use. after that I was done with jerseys.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I have 2 of the 4 jerseys listed here.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I still rock my tim couch jersey
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
3/5
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m guilty of that one myself
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
me too. i have:
eric metcalf #21
tim couch #2
brady quinn #10 (got it for $7 because its imperfect)
metcalf has been getting a lot of wear…
brady quinn #10 (got it for $7 because its imperfect)
Man, this joke just writes itself, doesn’t it?
I have only #19. Maybe it’s time to add another immortal. Joe Thomas? Josh Cribbs?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it Mike Holmgren was not impressed by the Savage era.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"You’re gone, you’re gone, you GTFO, you’re gone…."
Seems like it.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is what walterfootball says. Anyone else notice the huge contradiction?
“Broncos acquire QB Brady Quinn from Browns for FB Peyton Hillis, 2011 6th-rounder and 2012 late-rounder.
I don’t like Brady Quinn; his deep accuracy sucks and he never seems comfortable in the pocket. But this is a great trade for the Broncos (what?) ; they’re getting a potential franchise quarterback (?) for an unused fullback and two late-round picks. That’s an amazing bargain. "
I don’t read walterfootball nor care about his opinion. Potential franchise QB? Even though he was saying the BRowns should draft a potential franchise QB as recently as 2 weeks ago since we didn’t have one? I don’t see how these two statements he has made work together.
I don’t care about his opinions either. And that’s why I pointed out his major contradiction. He says Quinn’s accuracy and pocket presence is bad… but yet he could be a franchise QB? And why would this be a good trade if he thinks he sucks so badly?
I just go on walterfootball for the mocks because they’re pretty good.
It’s simply impossible for the media to give any Cleveland sports team a compliment. Holmgren could somehow manage to trade Indy Robert Royal for Peyton Manning and Cleveland would still get bashed. It’s just like the “LeBron should leave Cleveland” garbage that’s everywhere in the media.
by mgtbfb on Mar 14, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The reason it is a good deal is that a 6th round pick, plus another late pick, is a very small price tag to take the chance on Quinn turning it around.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
So in Jimmy Clausen we trust.If he is still there when we draft that will be the QB taken by Holmgren.
We’ll take Jimmy Claussen and then TRSS will be back posting on DBN
by BornInThePound on Mar 15, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That would actually require him to leave.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not want Jimmy Clausen. I used to be open to drafting him, but a gut feeling says no. I wonder if Holgren’s trying to do a major trade up to get Bradford?
But that would be unlike him since he’s never drafted a QB in the first round. Here comes Colt McCoy, Dan LeFevour, or someone like that…
Just please no Tebow.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have McCoy, but it will take a higher pick to get McCoy.
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I would rather have him because he’s more accurate and had a better college career against better defenses.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
His ridiculous accuracy.
I think his draft stock isn’t high 1st right now because of his height, his lack of great arm strength, and that arm injury. I think height and arm strength are overrated and accuracy is underrated.
He is a little smallish for a guy that you expect to be taking hits from Ray Lewis, Casey Hampton, etc. though.
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I still think he has a chance to be the best QB from this class.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like McCoy, but he has the smallish concern, the durability concern and the weakish arm concern. He could be very good but he could also be alex smith. I’m not sold on him.
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maybe i’m having a brainfart here, but what are his durability concerns?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that shoulder injury in his last college game. Also just being a little smaller and thinner than dudes like Roethlisberger, people think that leads to durability concerns.
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a brainfart indeed. was that injury one to be really worried about or is it more of a minor concern?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
compared to sam Bradford’s shoulder, more of a minor concern. But being a bit of a smaller guy (not the mountain of muscle that is Tim Tebow) people get a little concerned about his chances of withstanding blows from 330 lb guys who bench upwards of 400lbs. Might not be a huge concern but its still a knock nonetheless.
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well…just pointing out (devils advocate, but I agree with you) that being bulky does not make guys able to withstand blows…didn’t BQ end the last 2 years on IR?
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Quinn had a broken finger and broken foot.
Pretty fluke injuries if you ask me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 16, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
well…(I am referencing another sport here) they said the same thing about larry hughes when he came to the cavs. they said, “well he has had injuries but they were all fluke injuries”. what ends up happening? Hughes gets injured and is never the same.
I am no way saying that this is what will happen with BQ, I am just saying that this is obviously a significant concern to GMs who are going to invest in him.
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quinn ain’t our problem now.
I just hope we don’t draft pike, i have the feeling his bones are made from glass.
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I wouldn’t worry dramatically about a guy with his frame if he had been perfectly healthy in college. I woudl still worry a bit, but it is so much more b/c of his injuries.
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Quinn was perfectly healthy in college.
Injuries happen in the NFL. If it isn’t an arm injury, then it shouldn’t be a huge deal for a QB.
Trying to predict injuries is impossible. Ask Courtney Brown.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 16, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yep…courtney brown didn’t have college injuries…but he was injury prone in the NFL.
all I am saying is that this is a factor in the value of quinn. whether quinn is healthy or not in college doesn’t matter much.
f it isn’t an arm injury, then it shouldn’t be a huge deal for a QB.
I completely disagree. If a guy ends 2 straight seasons on the IR, than it is a significant concern.
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If he blows out both of his ACLs it would definitely be a concern.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
if he ends 2 seasons on the IR it is a concern. it makes him a more risky player in the eyes of a GM and his value will end up dropping.
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I actually agree with this. Its going to at least be something you think about when acquiring the player. Especially when combined with Brady’s supposed lack of flexibility.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
yep.
It is too early to define him as injury prone but after 2 injuries in 3 years in the league he is definitely an injury risk and I believe this factored in to the value we got. maybe we feel like we didn’t get a ton for him, but when another team looks, they see a flustered, inaccurate QB who is still young but is also an injury risk.
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It wasn’t a tendon tear or a ligament tear.
It was a broken bone. Twice.
Give the kid a glass of milk and send him back out there.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Danario? Where did you get that?
I heard he tore the same ACL twice…from what I read from press stories. then he has cartilage damage on the same knee.
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Didn’t Brady have a Linsfranc (sp?) sprain, not the fracture that would have required surgery?
Also, the finger thing was a broken bone, but it was that his tendon had pulled a chip of the bone off where it was attached, no?
Still, two years on IR in a row, those being the only two years you’ve really played in the NFL…that’s a pattern.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I thought Quinn just had a broken finger, but now that you mention that it sounds familiar.
On the foot, I don’t think he ever had surgery but that is splitting hairs.
On the whole, he has been injured, but I personally wouldn’t have him labeled as “injury prone”. To me, they were fluke injuries that can happen. Now if he gets hurt this year, I would agree with you.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Browns have shown an interest in LeFevour like bross has said, I won’t be shocked to see us draft him.
It wasn’t even me that first said it. I think chris posted a page after the combine of player the browns talked to. I have also heard rumors (on here and other places) that confirms their interest.
I don’t believe many rumors I hear this time of year. If we are doing things right, we are sending out smoke screens like crazy right now.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
that may be true. I would not trust rumors alone, but the browns did meet with Lefevour significantly at the combine. This doesn’t mean that they will draft him but I feel this shows they have an interest.
That’s an even better smokescreen, too.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Fun fact.
The Broncos didn’t even talk to Jay Cutler before he was drafted.
Not once. Shanahan didn’t want anyone to know he was interested.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that is interesting…
Like I did just recently point out, this is all speculation on our parts. maybe they are interested, maybe they aren’t…who really knows.
That’s true, the draft is a very hard thing to even come close to guessing correctly. Isn’t the average somewhere in the 30% correct range for most analysts anyways?
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Brown’s are lefthanding. The talk to LeFevour and Tim Hiller at the combine and then draft Tebow. Theres going to be a browns guy at the Florida pro day hiding in the bushes wearing camo.
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Bradford is going #1. in the words of Mike Ditka: “Period. Cut and dry.”
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Brady Move
Who pulled this one …..This has Mangini’s name all over it . BQ was never given the confidence or right coaching with the Browns /
I plan on buying my Denver Jersey ASAP and hope he come back to kick the Browns sorry excuse for a professional teams ass!
This team is a joke ……………
I knew that it had to be Mangini’s fault somehow.
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by Dawg Nuts on Mar 14, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Trolling.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that you, DA?
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Go root for Denver. Oh, and f&*! you.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha. God I wish brady had gone to the bills. I kinda wanted to root for him, but fuck the broncos.
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Classic line.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Buy the jersey. He won’t be starting, you nutsack.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I can’t say that you couldn’t see this coming. I would have like to see Brady for one more season, but in Holmgren I trust! I think for sure we draft QB somewhere in the later rounds. i also think we package some form of trade to move up for Berry.
what?? I just posted something and now I cant find it….lets try this again…
Well I guess we all saw this coming with Quinn, kinda mixed feelings on Wimbley. I wish Brady well, but I’m glad the saga is over and we can move on. I definitely think we draft a QB in later rounds and I’m thinking we package a deal to move up for Berry as well
i keep seeing people saying that we’ll draft a QB in the later rounds; i thought we’ve discussed it that not many great QBs come out of the late rounds. i don’t want another charlie frye, i want a manning, brees, rivers, etc. holmgren probably does too.
that means nothing to this draft. if he thinks his guy is in this draft, he take him where he needs to. that argument is like the argument that we shouldn’t take a WR with our first pick because of braylon. it is irrelevent to what exists in this year’s draft.
I think that’s true, but anything in the first two rounds is just going to be too much for me. I don’t want another Couch or Quinn.
Me either, but if a guy is gonna be the next Bernie for us than I say pull the trigger.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole point of the jake delhomme signing is to make us not have to draft a QB in the first. He can find a more developmental guy who will take time later in the draft, or shore up the roster this year and go QB in the first round next year. I HIGHLY doubt we try for a qb in the first this year.
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disagree. i think delhomme is the veteran to mentor/keep the seat warm for our drafted QB. i’ll continue to say i think he’s gonna try to trade up for bradford.
they have a lot of needs. if you offer them something good enough, why wouldn’t they? let’s be clear too, i’m not saying i hope holmgren does this, i just think he’ll try it. it’s also completely dependent upon holmgren thinking bradford is his guy. because of our QB moves, i think he does.
He better not.
It is a really bad move to pay the price to trade up to the first pick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh how I wish this was the NBA sometimes…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s not.
Suh isn’t even worth that move.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It will cost 75 million in real money.
It would probably also take two first rounders and a second or two.
If we weren’t willing to do it for Cutler, then we damn well better not do it for Bradford.
If Bradford is on the board at 7, I am game. But I swear to Joe Thomas if we trade up I will punch my neighbor in the face.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recced for “I swear to Joe Thomas”.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole point of the jake delhomme signing is….
…at this point, a mystery.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I like what the Browns are doing, they have a QB now that can manage a game, and yet throw the deep ball, with the trade of Wembly, it opens the draft for a defensive end or linebacker. With the Raiders 3rd round pick it adds to the stockpile. for a package deal of picks to move up or down to acquire more picks. This isnt over yet stay tuned
by AMANFORALLSEASONS on Mar 14, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
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I think it is also worth noting that Quinn has shown himself to be on the fragile side in the NFL – not a good thing for an quarterback
Agreed. This really should get more attention. Yeah his injuries seem a little flukey, but the bottom line is he ended up on the IR each of the last two seasons.
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And he has a nasty habit of being punched by defensive linemen in the weight room.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know much about football, I guess, but I find this whole thing incredibly depressing. Not sure why we needed to dump Quinn to go forward, especially to dump him at such a low point for a platter of crap.
I guess we needed to get worse to get better, but seemed like we were already pretty frickin’ bad.
I guess that most here have faith that the developmental project that we pick is more likely to develop into a good QB than the currect project that we had. I’m not convinced.
Holmgren and crew watch tape of BQ and decided there wasn’t enough there to develop further. I’m surprised people think they are better qualified to make a separate judgement?
Whether or not Holmgren’s moves work out eventually, they have been made by a much more experienced and informed person than any of the fans. That MH failed to see potential in Quinn, says something about Quinn, not MH. That Ryan failed to see potential in Wimbley says more about Wimbley than Ryan. That Jake is considered a better bet than Quinn, considering Jake has seen better days, says Quinn has been judged and dismissed by a guy who knows qbs.
How are we getting worse by ridding us of a mediocre QB and an OLB who has just one move? Neither of these guys contributed to the success experienced at the en of the season. And neither guy showed much promise to make this team into a championship calibre team.
Had the team gotten rid of Thomas, I can understand the feeling of getting worse, but we are no worse than we were at the end of the season, and we have more picks to improve.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually people are acting as if we are breaking up that hugely successful 2007-2008 Browns team. Oh wait! They are dismantling that team… Holmgren must go!!!
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually people are acting as if we are breaking up that hugely successful 2007-2008 Browns team. Oh wait! They are dismantling that team… Holmgren must go!!!
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Our QB situation is worse. I understand that we’re going to try to draft and develop a guy for, what, 2012? But we’re worse now. That might be the right move, but I find it depressing.
Our QB situation is worse.
Arguable at best.
I understand that we’re going to try to draft and develop a guy for, what, 2012?
Were you expecting to compete next season? Perhaps the issue is not with the moves, but your expectations. A quarterback of the future will be found somewhere, and BQ showed nothing to make anyone believe he was it.
But we’re worse now.
I don’t see how. View Anderson and Delhomme as a swap that saves you $2 million and you are left comparing Quinn and Wallace. Wallace has performed decently in limited time; Quinn has performed poorly in slightly more time. Not what I would call a “downgrade.”
At the least, I believe we are about as talented at the position as we were two weeks ago, i.e. not very.
Yes, I expected us to play better next year. Still not allowed to expect that, huh? Another year…another year. I prefered to see Quinn in a stable situation with Holgrem at the top. I just would have liked to give him one more year, rather than dump him for nothing.
Wallace and Delhomme are irrelevant – no one expects them to be NFL starters at this point. Holgrem will bring in some talent to the position somewhere, I’ll be patient. It’s still depressing.
Holmgren expects one of the two to be an NFL starter.
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Wow, you don’t get the inside joke.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not. He’s from LGT
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it amusing he thinks all Clemson fans know each other.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, maybe he figured a Cleveland fan and a Clemson fan would no each other. Don’t see too many of those.
You sure don’t.
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by ClemsonGirl on Mar 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I find this meeting pretty awesome.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, you’re actually going to Clemson too?
Also awesome! And where are you located in SC exactly? I’ll be taking a trip to HH in Aug.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I am! They accepted like 400 less freshman this year, so I was really happy to get in. A lot of people at my school were disappointed. Xavier was my second choice but I decided it was too far away.
Well, since it’s the internet I don’t want to say exactly what city I’m in. I’m about 4 hours from HH.
Haha, good point. I was just wondering. It’d be awesome to live in SC.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair they accepted about 300 extra freshman last year creating a housing nightmare.
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Yeah, I know about the housing thing. It’s just that it’s getting harder to get into each year so I’m glad I did :)
Sophomore.
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Where did you come from?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 17, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Clemson I believe, lol
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 17, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to be girls, too. The guys don’t go to the meetings.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
…anyway, Kat Williams will sometimes talk about a meeting that all of the men had before a show to decide things as a group (you know, because all men are the same, make decisions as a group, and all know each other).
I was referring to this type of meeting (you know, because everyone who is a Clemson fan and also is female knows each other, meets, and make decisions as a group).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
emily…dont know if you’ve seen it yet, but you got a Big Ben winking at you in one of these posts…LOL
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
That was a creepy thing to say.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever watched Kat Williams?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
No that would be Dane Cook, don’t know how you mistook a white douche for a black pimp though.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody watch that Demtri Martin show? I love his humor, but some of his shows lately have been making me question his comedy. I think he was better suited as a one trick pony, than having his own series.
Stand up is his bread and butter, I like Demitri Martin, but his show is hit or miss, with the latter being more often.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Daniel Tosh however, made a good transition from stand up to a tv show.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad everyone thinks he sucks.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what the ratings say.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely agree!
I can’t get enough of that show. His comedic timing is right on the money every single show.
Some might say the viral clips make the show, but they’d be wrong. Not many comics could pull off what he does on a consistent, weekly basis.
exactly, just look at web soup on g4.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I mentioned that earlier.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 18, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Dane Cook is loads funnier than katt williams. I just don’t find it funny when you have to swear every other word to get laughs. I have more respect oftentimes for a comedian who is funny and doesn’t resort to easy gags like always telling dirty jokes or always swearing.
Dane Cook is hilarious! I liked that movie he was in too…Employee of the Month or something like that
But he doesn’t really tel jokes, he just yells alot, contorts himself, and shouts out brand names.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he doesn’t tell “jokes”. there are many comedians that don’t tell jokes. I don’t believe he yells a lot (or shouts brand names).
I believe his act is very polarizing but it is a very interesting and unique act. instead of telling jokes, he basically just tells antecdotes with the occasional joke thrown in there. This is a method used by man great comedians (pryor, Carlin, etc…) but very few have ben antecdotal as much as cook. The “contortion” I actually like. He has a theater and improv background so i appreciate the fact that even in his standup, he uses techniques I have learned. I feel that his MOVEMENT on stage enhances the comedy. I was a bigger fan once I saw him live (and saw this)
Um doesn’t Dane Cook swear alot. I’ve only seen bits of his act, because i’m not a fan, so i could be mistaken.
That said i actually like his acting roles better than his stand up.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
You gotta watch Kat in the “stash”.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
that was my point…that he doesn’t swear that much. George carlin would throw in the occasional fuck you…
but katt williams act revolves around swearing every 2 words and telling the occasional dirty joke. this is IMO, from someone studying comedic theater and improv, the cop out method. I like to challenge myself to be funny and avoid this.
There is no way you study improv.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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maybe not “study” but learn and practice. I do read up on improv and practice improv “games” or “formats” such as
Park Bench
Day in the Life
Pan Left
Larond
Harold
Animalistics
blind Harold
Montage
New Choice
Armando
Feature Film
That was a joke, sorry. I was hoping for a witty retort.
Not your syllabus.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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by Villeslgr on Mar 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dane Cook has been 100% downhill since his first Comedy Central bit.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
his recent stuff hasn’t been great, but I still think he was good since then. are you talking about vicious circle though? because he was on comedy central really early in his career too.
yeah, I think his first was in 1998
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Dude, not a cool avatar.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m from WV so I thought it fit…I like it damn it
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I used to live in WV. It’s all relative there, and if you want to see why I moved read the 1st half of my sig.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, think I’ll stay with this one
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
BB won’t though.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sticking with one of my early favorites before I even picked my original one. Plain and simple
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Good.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it amusing he thinks all Clemson fans know each other.
Probably because they’re all related in some way.
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 14, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
She is not.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I can hear you talking, I’m standing right here.
But I’m rare. I’m aware of the inability to spell kokinis. And I’m just saying that my Holmgen typo was particularly bad. If there’s someother Kokinis joke, then yeah, I don’t get it.
by dgcambridge on Mar 14, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe if you look at the upside of BQ it is a downgrade, but is having more upside worth all that money? you didn’t even touch on the fact that BQ will likely cost us more (even on the bench). Last season, BQs salary was 400,000 more than Wallace’s. wallace’s increases to 2.2 million this year, but I believe BQs will too. and it is already at almost 2.1 million…
I am almost positive Quinn’s money is all tied up in playing time incentives.
If he is good, he will earn that money. If not, he won’t.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
that is somewhat true…I don’t know if his salary increases, but his salary last year was more than Wallace’s (and this is not guaranteed actually now that I think about it, but the total from the 3 year extension). Wallace will earn a max of 2.2 million this year, while I believe base salary (and maybe roster bonuses too) puts brady’s contract at 2 million last year…
Quinn’s base salary has been reported at 700k this year. His base salary for last year is listed at 635k, earning 1.35mil in bonuses and having a cap number of 1.72 million.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Maybe the 2,057,000 (ish) number I saw for last season included bonuses.
wallace makes a max of 2.2 million this year, and likely won’t reach all those incentives.
I think it was somehow his actual dollar earnings last year, while his cap hit was less.
I was not disagreeing with you, just reporting facts.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Quarterback A’s 2009 stats: 53.1% completions, 5.2 YPA, 8 TD, 7 INT, 67.2 rating
Quarterback B’s 2009 stats: 55.1% completions, 6.3 YPA, 8 TD, 18 INT, 59.4 rating
even comparing just last year, I consider this about equal
A’s career stats: 52.1% completions, 5.4 YPA, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating
B’s career stats: 59.2% completions, 7.2 YPA, 123 TD, 94 INT, 82.1 rating
tell me which you would rather have, then guess who they are.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yes…but I have always found quinns stats to be misleading.
He has had 3 what I call great games (QB rating over 90) and one was against the lions
He has had no good games (between 90-80)
He has had no mediocre games (80-75)
He has had 3 Not that great games (75-55)
He has had 3 straight up bad games (55-30)
He has had 3 Just dreadful games (below 30).
His 67 QB rating gets padded by a few aberrations. it is scary when a QB has as many games with a QB rating over 75 as he does below 30…that is a telling stat for BQ. 3 great games and a pile of crap.
His 67 QB rating gets padded by a few aberrations. it is scary when a QB has as many games with a QB rating over 75 as he does below 30…that is a telling stat for BQ. 3 great games and a pile of crap.
Have you looked at Delhomme’s game log?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
have you looked at it before last year?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather be shot or hung?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that a trick question? Easy choice i would imagine.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
But you’d prefer to opt out, no? The point, that.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I was in the gutter.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I was thinking the same thing.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I get it. Sorry gentlemen. Slow on that one!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Wimbley developed solid moves other than his duck around move last year. He still wasn’t great.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
from Adam Schefter tweet……Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
I don’t see how getting rid of Quinn makes us worse. He hasn’t even been a marginal NFL quarterback in three seasons.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does make us less sexy though.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too bad Colt isn’t Montana.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
K, but chances are very slim…
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously the chances are slim(shady.) The point is Montana wasn’t the next Montana heading into that draft.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 14, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get that too, coincidence my first name is Roger?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You chose the moniker though.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
And Montana didn’t come from a spread offense.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You are better than this.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah, my bad. I still don’t like McCoy and it isn’t a good idea to pretend like a mid round guy will be montana.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me started on Montana. I have a personal story about when he dissed me in front of a crowd of people. They all laughed at me. I hate Joe Montana.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did I open my mouth?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He should make his story a fanpost.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA Should I?
It’s not too long, but it’s a classic. My friends still talk crap about it to this day.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a lil’ embarrassing, but I’ll do it for you guys. It’s proof that I did meet that bastard.
It will be up in a day or so.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
gross
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Montana. Awesome QB, total douche.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I went to college with a guy who lived by him in the SF bay area and said that the entire neighborhood hated him. That’s saying a lot, because Montana was a hero in San Francisco (for obvious reasons). They said he was the biggest douche in the world.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
My quick Joe Montana story:
Stood me up for an interview (I was helping produce a radio interview).
His “people” said he would do it, when I called, he asked how much he was being paid. When I told him nothing, he hung up in my ear. Considering he was supposed to be on in 15 minutes, he screwed me pretty hard. He did the same crap to the NFL for their SB MVP thing.
I am guessing that BY’s story will be much better.
Never in my life have I ever paid someone for an interview, nor will I ever.
Only two other people hung up on me. Tonya Harding and Ricky Henderson. Tonya Harding has the worst mouth I have ever heard, and trust me that is saying something.
The phone call to Ricky is something I will never forget. He is without a doubt one of a kind.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Rickey Henderson. There was a great article about him in the New Yorker a few years back. A look back at the career of a fifty year old playing sub-rookie ball and refusing to give up the game he loves. Literally the best bit of sports-writing I’ve ever read. If you can track it down, it’s a must-read.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
It’s online (subscription required):
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/09/12/050912fa_fact_grann?currentPage=all
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
He caused a stir on the plane and was escorted off.
I would kill to find out what happened with the rest of this story.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Gruden said Tebow would “revolutionize the game” I could see it.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I don’t think Jon Gruden really thinks this.
Unless he means that he might revolutionize the game by being the first player to have religious and political organizations as his major endorsement deals.
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
The Cleveland Browns have already run the zone read on multiple occasions.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ok ok I mean “the full on Urban Meyer inspired spread system that incorporates the QB heavily into the running game. Including but not limited to: zone read, Slot triple option, Jet counter trey, Jet sweep option. QB belly, etc etc etc.”
I just wanted to use fewer words.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Cribbs already runs a lot of that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
no he doesn’t. The Brown’s wildcat has been mostly a simple inside zone play where cribbs just cuts to space.
you haven’t even scratched the surface until you run play action off the zone read, can beat the crash scrape etc etc. The wildcat is just a little tiny sliver of what you can do.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Prove it.
And anything you can do in Florida’s offense, you can do from the Wildcat. The Wildcat is just a personnel grouping. If you have someone who can make all the necessary runs/throws, you don’t need Tebow. What can he do that Seneca Wallace can’t at this level?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Is perhaps the difference of opinion here in the amount the zone read’s, etc. are run? Yes, the Browns run some of that in in the Wildcat formation, but we only pull that out for what, 10% or less of offensive plays per game?
by Western Reserve on Mar 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Its also the permutations of the zone read.
Tebow has run a zone triple off of the set, various permutations of the veer, play action passes, shovel options, screens, the QB power and QB gut play, and some permutations of the bread and butter NFL-type plays like that Percy Harvin motion Jet counter trey.
Wallace could do all of those things probably, but he doesn’t have the several years of experience and knowledge Tebow does. Wallace might be able to do some of that stuff but Tebow does it better.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Gil Brandt is a respect long-time scouting mind and NFL analyst. Works for NFL.com now I believe. Let’s just say far more credentialed than Walterfootball.
Oh, okay. I assumed that when you posted that you were saying it was something stupid to say.
So do you mean you’d want Colt or not?
but what are the chances of this?
yes joe montana is projected in the third, and McCoy MAY go there…the problem is the fact that you are comparing McCoy to probably the best QB drafted in that round in the history of the NFL. 3rd round QBs might end up being good, but more often than not turn out to be just solid backups….
shouls we draft a 6th round QB because he might be the next tom brady??
He is not right at all and this is the point. Even for an elite prospect, you can’t just throw out outlandish statements like that. Joe montana is a once in a generation player. I highly doubt that McCoy is even significantly memorable as a pro.
This.
Gil Brandt was one of the first people to really organize scouting into computer systems. He was waaaaay ahead of his time and is one of the greatest scouting minds out there.
Much admiration for him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
My girlfriend likes Shipley.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Meh, he’s kinda old for a rookie so he has a lower ceiling and has too many injuries IMO.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
agree, we are not any worse…I loved Quinn and think he still has potential, but we are certainly not any worse. I’m more strongly concerned with the Wimbley trade. 3rd Rounder is good, but I guess the coaches and FO know better than I if it was worth it.
12 this year, 8 next year, and 8 the year after that.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Or the league average of 33% turning into starters, we should expect at least 4 guys providing substantial contribution.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but what is the leage average % of guys in the first 3 rounds turning into starters…
out of the 12 picks we have, 5 are in the first 3 rounds…these rounds produces more starters, in general, than the later rounds.
I would say we should expect at least 6.
I would say (just by looking at previous drafts) that 60-70 % of guys in the first 3 rounds (and this is a conservative estimate) turn into starters. Lets for the sake of argument give us only 3/5. Then you look at the 7 in the other rounds. if you take that 33%, we have another 2 starters or solid contributors. I think we will hit on at least 2.
I would say 5 is a conservative estimate, 7 could happen but is a little optimistic, and that is why I say 6 is the most likely.
5-7 opening day starters from this draft!? Even I am not that optimistic.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Lets hope for 2. It wouldn’t be hard to replace Furrey and Brandon MacDonald.
I’d like to replace Abe Elam too somehow.
Other than that you might be able to find a wideout who can plug in right away as your slot receiver.
Might find one OL down in the draft who can play RG or RT opening day.
Most you could do is probably 4 opening day starters, but 2 is more likely.
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We aren’t going to find two starting safeties ready for round 1.
Elam will start in round 1 – hopefully with another rookie and not Furrey or Adams.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
meh we could still make a trade. Theres no way 12 rookies make this team. a trade at the draft is possible.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I am talking more of guys who will eventually work their way into the starting lineup by the end of the season.
I was resonding to someone saying
Or the league average of 33% turning into starters, we should expect at least 4 guys providing substantial contribution.
which I took to mean that only 4 guys would contribute eventually. I thought it was more.
I think we will maybe have 3 guys start (or play a key role) on opening day.
If there is a year after next year.
That sounds ominous, but there really is a chance that there is no 2012 draft.
There will be a 2012 draft. The owners will impose the lockout after the draft.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whats up Dawg Pound?
Being a Life long Raider Fan and like you we have had a few to many bad years my question is this:
What do you think of the Wimbley deal?
The future is uncertain... and the end is always near. JMorrison
He’s a good player. You should have no worries with him.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Never saw it coming really
The dope on Wimbley was that he was supposedly a great potential talent who could come good under this coaching staff. But aside from a good rookie year and some productivity last season, he doesn’t make plays.
Probably depends on the quality of the O lines in your division whether he’ll be a threat off the edge, also possible he wasn’t drafted to play OLB I guess.
I am mixed but more positive than negative because I’d like to see what Mangini and Heckert can do with a full draft and a lot of picks.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct myself
He doesn’t make *big plays.
And he wasn’t *traded to play OLB. Possibly.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 14, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like the deal (in favor of the Browns) if we got a second or third. If the pick turns out to be a lot later like a 5th, I’ll be pretty disappointed.
Personally, I think you got a steal. He was a DE in college, was drafted as a pass rushing OLB. His rookie year was the only year he actually got to play as a pass rushing linebacker, and he netted 11 sacks. Thereafter, he played back in coverage and up in run support to help make up for our abysmal DB’s and porous front 3.
You got a good player. If you’re smart enough to turn him loose (and your scheme allows it), you’ll have zero regrets. If you can’t, or won’t, turn him loose, you’ll still have an above average high-character player who has missed all of two games in his career.
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His rookie year was the only year he actually got to play as a pass rushing linebacker, and he netted 11 sacks.
I disagree. It’s not like the Browns stopped using him to rush the passer. He simply never developed another move beyond the speed rush. The book was out on him and teams adjusted.
Did they stop rushing him? No. He still knifed into the backfield four or five times a game. But beyond his rookie year, rushing the passer was his tertiary concern.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
again, I disagree. He was just not as effective getting into the backfield. it had nothing to do with other responsibilities. it had to do with him not developing as a player. as gahnki said, the book was out on him. I will say he did attempt to develop moves besides the speed rush but none were that effective. He could only get to the QB effectively by using his speed. He didn’t have good strength and was dominated by good LTs when he tried to use pass rushing moves, or his strength.
Even when he did focus on other things (like stopping the run or coverage) which I do not believe he focused on significantly more, he did not improve significantly. he is still weak in pass coverage and average against the run.
he has always been an upside guy. he never was amazing in college and showed inconsistencies there…
It’s too bad you didn’t give us your first round pick. Kam is better than anyone Al Davis will be selecting. Instead, you are going to be stuck with another dead weight.
Kam works hard and is pretty intelligent. He has a good head on his shoulders; but he never developed any advanced moves. And I can’t say he was the one guy we could count on to always be in the right place at the right time. Good support player and will adequately fill a position.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On DQ’s Twitter:
“RT @Adam_Schefter: Let’s be clear about this: Quinn wanted to be done with the Browns as much as they wanted to be done with him.”
We traded the wrong linebacker.
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Yep.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that was schefter’s original twitter. DQ said “no comment” and all he he is thinking about is coming back healthy……..Why would he give a damn about Quinn? He is more concerned about losing his defensive mate Wimbley.
no, DQ did not post that originally, the RT is the “retweet”. he just sent the schefters tweet to someone else
He already apologized
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I see the Wimbley jerseys are still full price though. Somebody’s not reading their company memos!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they sold these in adult sizes.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With first rounders in 07, 08, 06, 05, and 04, we got:
1 stud (Thomas)
Peyton Hillis
Jason Trusnick
Chansi Stuckey
Massoquoi
some late round picks
a third rounder.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
With first rounders in 07, 08, 06, 05, and 04,wethe Browns got:
1 stud (Thomas)
You can turn in your fan card on your way out the door.
by gahnki on Mar 14, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
sorry I was just used to saying we.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Couch
Brown
Warren
Green
Faine
Hmmmm, what did we get out of those first round picks?
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kevin Kolb.
You know what we got out of him?
A bust. Have fun being a Bronco.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Kolb was the pick we gave up for BQ
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who then traded it to the Eagles.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Full List:
Mohamed Massaquoi
Peyton Hillis
Chansi Stuckey
Jason Trusnik
3rd in 2010
3rd in 2010
5th in 2010
5th in 2010
6th in 2011
conditional pick in 2012
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s for Winslow, Edwards, Wimbley and Quinn.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Think I’d rather have all that than Winslow, edwards, Wimbley, and Quinn.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Winslow- No.
Edwards- Noooo. We don’t like people from Michigan, remember?
Wimbley- Maybe.
Quinn- Meh.
WInslow NO
BE-No…NOt b/c the michigan thing (I do have some respect for UM, My mom went there…but my dad when to tOSU) but b/c he can’t hold onto the ball
Wimbley-No. I think we got the max value we could for him. I believe what we saw last season was his ceiling. a talented guy who can’t put it together consistently. very streaky, underperforming…he was the same way in college
Quinn-meh too. I wish we could have gotten more but then again, we probably couldn’t
There were definitely things not to like about Winslow, but he was by far the best of these guys. And I think I would take him for Massaquoi and a fifth rounder this year (what we got for him) — but the move did make sense at the time. Though I wonder how he would’ve done with Mangini.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I said it at the time and I am sticking by it, the Winslow trade’s success will be determined by the extent of his knee injuries.
If they are as bad as I think they are, he will begin to decline this year and he will be completely done in another couple of years. If he can play like he did last year for 4-5 more years, we got robbed.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
for what we got for him, I still would take the picks (or players). not only was winslow bad for the locker room, I am not a huge fan of him as a player.
he was a horrible blocker practicing the ’Ole! Block. He though he was a matador out there and the defender was the bull.
He also was never the same after the accident and was always nicked up for some reason. He just wasn’t durable or reliable.
good interview with Quinn from Mary Kay Cabot on cleveland plain dealer. emily, a tear might come to your eye :) Quinn is a class act, and a helluva team player.
“I wish things would’ve worked out differently with Cleveland. I really wanted to be the guy to turn things around and turn the tide, but that’s not the situation I’m faced with at this point. All I can do is move on and look toward the future and look toward Denver at this point.’’
“I just wish things would’ve gone differently in Cleveland. I hope they have success in the future. I hope coach Holmgren can get things turned around for them.’’
Class act right there. Opposite of DA.
That’s what I took from it.
Scary.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone in the Browns organization calls him that. I thought Pluto had written something about it being odd as well. I find it pretty normal. When you are a coach for that long, you are a coach.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
The biggest thing for me is being appreciative of the fans. For the time that I was there, I can’t thank them enough for their support. They’re as loyal as can be. They’d always keep us in games even when we were down, helped bring us back. Hopefully they’ll always continue to have that enthusiasm. It’s a great place to play and a great team and organization to be a part of.
Like Emily said, a complete 180 from DA. I’ve got a lot of respect for that. Good luck out there, BQ.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
from day 1, holmgren has tood everyone to call him coach. everyone in the office, during interviews, people around the league. from the introductory press conference.
Even though this board leans heavy on Quinn sucks, He is a class act, and most likely will succeed in Denver.
I agree. I want to like him and root for him b/c I do like him as a person and I felt a cleveland connection. I am sad to see him go because, partially he is such a class act.
“Coach Holmgren”???
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They all do that. Cribbs did it in his press conference. Holmgren doesn’t like the term ‘czar’, and they haven’t found a suitable replacement as yet.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see the point. That’s just the first time I’ve seen it.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard it quite a few times.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow I can't believe how well you guys are taking this
If this was the Cowboys blog it would explode and cursing Jerry’s name
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
You don’t know us very well. A lot of us don’t care about Quinn.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. we are classy fans…just like BQ is a classy guy. we have respect for him but understand it didn’t work out here. I am sad to see him go but I understand it is a new regime (power wise) and that they want their people in. I am sad but I will still be a BQ fan…just for the fact that he was always a class act, and was such a cleveland guy.
I have been a Quinn supporter, so I am disappointed that it did not work out in Cleveland. The Browns haven’t had a good, solid QB since Kosar, so this revolving door is getting old. I have to trust that Holmgren has more work to do with the QB’s.
IMO Quinn never got a shot here, that really is my only beef. Do I understand the move, yes, because Holmgren has forgot about more football than I really will ever know.
I just sure hope he is right. I still would take Quinn over Jake or Senca, that’s me.
Go Browns, always.
Yes you are.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Still don’t mind the trade though. Depends on who Holmgren brings in in that third round.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
but honestly, I would rather draft (I am starting to think) a QB in next years draft. I just have a feeling that although this is a deep draft, this is a pretty shallow QB draft.
I’m hoping for God’s Grandson himself. Hes the only one who is holy enough to exorcise the Browns’ curse.
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"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
by jaws. on Mar 15, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would LOVE for us to wait on Locker to come out next year. I think that kid has so much potential.
thats betting that we’ll do poorly enough to pick him, which is far from guaranteed.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
since the browns are switching over to the WC offence …what about Cribbs being the QB…thats what they ran at Kent Stat i believe…Delhomme could mentor him…its a long shot..but so was trading Wimbley to the Raiders…
by Internalfire48 on Mar 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
JC basically ran the “Tebow” offense.
Run first, throw if you have to.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 14, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10497560827
Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
Interesting.
I believe it. He’s better than we give him credit for.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Lip service. I think the coaches are more worried about Holmgren and Heckert than whatever Wimbley might have brought to te table.
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by Spidey on Mar 14, 2010 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had 6.5 sacks last year. I don’t think the AFC North is too worried about Wimbley. Look the Browns messed up when they drafted him or he didn’t develop after his good rookie year. Be glad he’s gone and that you got something for him. You can easily find an OLB in a 3-4 defense to get 6.5 sacks.
Not THAT easy.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, rush linebackers are much cheaper and easier to find than guys who play DE in the 4-3. Thats one big reason why the 3-4 is so popular now: It is easier to fit one NT and two rush linebackers under the cap than it is trying to pay for 4 elite down lineman.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
that being said, I do not feel comfortable at all with benard starting. he is a high effort guy who can make some plays but not enough to make a significant impact.
I only like him in sub packages at this point, if at all. He is young, though.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
schefter is really laying it on with wimbley… “Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem”
The hilarious part to me is that the media is hyping up all these supposed superstars on the BRowns once we traded them, yet constantly ripped the team the past few years for having no talent. Which is it guys?
Haha yeah
The Browns have no talent. Next article: The Browns are trading their talent away.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
by skipkirk on Mar 15, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha, we traded both to the West.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok update on the Wimbley Trade:
The raiders gave us the pick they got in a trade with New England.
- overall not #69
I’m not such a big fan of the move. Mangini must have not liked Wimbley very much.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
This is a bad trade.
(It’s at best 1/3 Mangini’s doing, though)
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by golanbatrac on Mar 14, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
somebody must have been convinced the guy cant play, or really liked a guy who is going to go in the late third. fuck if I know.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
If you really like a guy that you think is going in the late 3rd, you wait till late 3rd to make the trade.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Guess they really just think wimbley cant play then.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
It is a decent trade now. I thought it was a good trade when we had the 69th pick but now that we have the 85th it is slightly more disappointing…
still, there are some good players that might turn out better that can be had with that exact pick:
Austen lane
Jason Worlids
Eric Norwood (possible he drops…Walterfootball has him as a 3-4th rounder)
all these guys I feel, within a year, would be more effective than wimbley would be.
Lane couldn’t play in a 34.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 15, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wonder if we are done trading in FA yet….or is there still many more trades and action to come?
It does seem that we’ve done a lot, but I don’t think we’re done.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
More draft picks on the way perhaps — we might get a compensatory pick out of Poole and Hadnot.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
we’ve signed free agents. Watson, Delhomme, Pashos, Fujita.
Can’t be awarded compensatory selections unless you lose more free agents than you sign.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I think compensatories come a year after the fact. I read an article by a guy who is an expert at predicting these things, and we were not scheduled to receive any compensatory picks from last year’s free agency.
I really had no idea how it worked. I’m kind of surprised that Andra Davis wasn’t worth at least a seventh rounder though.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I must admit, your frequent change of pictures on here is inspiring me to shop around for a new one as well golan
Frequent? I’ve changed avatars once in the 9 months I’ve posted here.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than the old one, for sure.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
April will be exciting!!!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Mentioning Clausen is banned here.
by rockybrown on Mar 15, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Must have missed that memo.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
no, but seriously we need impact safety and a corner. delhomme is getting $7 million and he is the starter this year. draft a quarterback at the bottom of the third or top of the 4th/ there will be many to choose from, Pike, Lefevour, Colt Mccoy
So this is it then? I’m not trying be snarky, I’m really asking: our starting QB is going to be Jake Delhomme? And everyone is OK with this?
by dgcambridge on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain it’ll be Delhomme. Not that I’m all that happy about it, but based on the other options available (i.e. drafting a QB high, keeping Quinn/Anderson), I’m willing to put up with it.
Delhomme will start unless he looks like a giant bag of dicks in training camp.
I honestly think that Holmgren wants to work with Tim Tebow really bad. I mean for a career QB guru / master tinkerer it is the ultimate project: develop Tim Tebow’s talents.
I would laugh my ass off if we drafted him in the third.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I would laugh my ass off if we drafted him in the third.
Why? In the third it will be a risk worth taking.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 15, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a happy laughter, because I know that crazy ass fanpost about mike holmgren bringing the spread into the NFL is right.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
just to clarify: I am an unabashed uber tebow fanboy. I am an OSU homer and i hate how they beat us in that title game but I can’t help but take my hat off to Tebow. He is everything that is right about sports.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
meh…He is a good guy but he is politicizing himself too much recently.
also, I am not a huge fan of him strictly as a player.
you gotta admit though…the kid oozes charisma and leadership ability. those are some big intangibles that not many have
He oozes something. It makes me want to get a mop and a powerwasher out.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Appreciated. There’s nothing better than a good straight line!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He oozes out religious fervor.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s… The one QB that intrigues me in the whole draft.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Browns’ starting quarterback Jake Delhomme.
Nope, I still can’t write it without mentally adding, WTF?
I’m glad we have Seneca Wallace on the roster as well, and by no means feel certain we’re done at the position, but still….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
My concern does not stop at this year. We need a lot of things. Specifically good/better players. My belief is we get the good players where and when we can.
Also I don’t see why we have to choose from those 3 just because we have delhomme. I don’t think he will prevent us from taking a QB earlier. The FO’s evaluation might, but not delhomme.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Some quick notes:
Since the Browns returned in ’99, we have had 11 first round draft picks.
As of today, the Browns have two of these on the roster, one was taken less than a year ago.
Both of them are offensive lineman (Thomas and Mack).
That noise you just heard was the Bulaga/Iupati bandwagon filling up.
I love Iupati as much as the next guy but I think hes going somewhere in the high teens or low 20s. It would cost too much to get up there from the second round. Bulaga might actually go before us to the chiefs, if okung isn’t there. Pioli is a huge positional value guy, thats why he makes a good trade partner for us if we want berry. It might cost us just a 3rd round pick, since he wants a tackle anyway and would gladly pay a little less for his guy.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
My draft plan would be as follows:
Take Suh, Berry, or Bradford if they were available. Think about moving up 1-2 spots to get one of them if the asking price was sane.
If that doesn’t work, trade back and aim for Bulaga, Iupati, Graham, McClain, Thomas, Kareem Jackson. In that order.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I like that plan. Big red circle around Berry. CB with your second pick. If berry is absolutely unavailable, then try and trade back and look at Iupati, Graham, Brian Price, Charles Brown, Jerry Hughes.
I’d pay a late third and a 5th to get up two spaces to take berry though.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
conveniently, the #5 pick is worth 1700 according to the chart, while the #7 pick is worth 1500.
the pick we just acquired from the raiders is worth 165 and our own pick from the 5th round is worth about 39 points.
1500+165+39 = 1704
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I would do that for Berry in a second, although the value chart is bogus, so we shouldn’t have to give up that 5th.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I doubt the chiefs demand much. That is probably the max they can get to swap picks with the browns. It all depends on if scott pioli stays true to form and drafts positional value over BPA. He could get bulaga at #7 and pay him less, and pick up some picks.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
We’ll see about that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Have we figured out which 3rd round pick we got from Oakland yet? They have the 5th (theirs) and the 21st (from NE) and that would make a big difference.
Mort ESPN twitter … “So easy to be invisible in Cleve: Since 2006, Terrell Suggs 27 sacks, Wimbley 26.5”
I think this was posted already here…
It fails to mention the fact that terrell suggs was not only more of a factor stopping the run but more consistent in pass coverage and more of a playmaker in pass coverage. Suggs was also a little more consistent than the streaky wimbley.
That being said, I think the price for suggs now would be a late 2nd anyways (possibly a very early third). How far away is this from wimbley’s value?
another point too is that is contract is up after this, and someone will probably throw big money at hime, so it was best to get something while we can.
Suggs makes a lot more impact plays. I be the FO stats would separate them further.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t have the FO stats and I do agree that suggs makes more impact plays…that is what I am saying. I don’t know if stuggs is streaky but Wimbley is way too streaky.
he has never put together a stretch of good or great games longer than 4-5 games. this season his first 4-5 games were great, his next 2 were okay, then the rest he just disappeared. He had about 28 total tackles (about 19 solo) in the last 8 games.
It’s become an integral part of my vocabulary as well.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Buuuuuuuh
F%^k you, go root for Buffalo
Fairly hog certain.
DBN vocabulary.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We should have a well kept list of all of these. I know there’s several more.
By the way,
WHERE THE HELL IS ROBISKI?!?!?
Stay classy D.A.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We could create a locked FanPost that the moderators add to when a consensus is achieved. It could easily be linked to on the left sidebar.
Brilliant.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool idea. Of course, I like the picture of new folks running into a classic like “fairly hog certain” with no explanation. People don’t get enough surrealism in their lives.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t they get enough of that the first time they read one of Moon’s comments?
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that can be a whole ’nother level of surrealism there. Or it might be entirely reasonable instead. Just a part of the mooncamping experience!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I actually look forward to Moon’s posts, it’s like waking up on Christmas morning, you never know what you might find.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought of that quote when I was typing that, which is why I didn’t say “gonna get”, didn’t want to sound like I was ripping him off. Great movie though.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A true Browns fan is defined as someone whose heart and head are disconnected. As angry as we get, as disappointed as we get, as sad as we get…we CANNOT change loyalties. Our hearts won’t allow it.
just out of curiousity…completely unrelated to this post…I understand Chris is the editor, but what makes you a minion or moderator? Are these based on how many posts you make or are these chosen by Chris and what exactly do these roles entail?
Brad’s the moderator, mostly because he’s the only one anal enough to give his all to the job.
Rufio used to be the only Minion. He got the job because he knows more about the X’s and O’s than all the rest of us combined.
There was an open call for Minions a few months back. Bernie, Ryan and Special Brownie were the only people who wanted the job. Minions write articles for the site (like Bernie’s ongoing series of draft articles and Ryan’s occasional Football Outsider’s post). Special Brownie was canned after it became apparent that he didn’t meet the minimum literacy requirements for Minionhood.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
thats actually kind of funny….I was arguing with Brad when I first joined and called him anal. No disrespect Brad. You are very informative and I don’t dislike you at all.
Just thought that was funny
Just a bit.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Except for that bit about rufio and Xs and Os, which is probably complete accurate.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I left for personal reasons jackass.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He was pushing your buttons.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Still irked me.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren’t you just talking about how you like to push people’s buttons, SB? Funny.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, this isn’t the same circumstance. I don’t do it to things or situations I’m unclear about. My reasons were personal, not cool.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can dish it then you’ve got to be able to take it. . .
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I’m fine now, I also didn’t see the facetious lie till after my rant.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I pointed it out and used those exact words.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s some mighty thin skin you’re sportin’ there, SB.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, possibly over reacted a little
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So what are we going to do with our receiver situation? I think of the skills needed for our receivers given a more West-Coast style offense as follows:
- sure hands
- good downfield blockers
- good route-runners
I don’t see our current assortment of receivers really fitting this description
I think Robiskie and Massaquoi fit the outside West Coast role pretty well. We could use a slot guy with speed.
Agree. The receivers we have are ideal (if they develop).
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What´s your point in trying to define how Josh McDaniels will use Brady Quinn.
They deserve to be happy about a pretty fine pickup. As far as I´m concerned he´s the starter.
Why knock Kamerion Wimbley as a speed guy, when his predicament will be being strong enough to play true defensive end, and when the lack of speed and agility at outside linebacker must be why we got rid of him?
So really my major question left for FA is whether or not Shaun Rogers is still out there for bait? Granted anyone for the right price is up for sale/trade, however what and with whom would we be looking to get out of Rogers?
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Discussion can continue in this thread if you guys wish, which includes reaction from the media on the Quinn/Wimbley deals:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/3/15/1374116/around-the-pound-2-15-media-reacts
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
Shocker.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I was joking but a little serious. I am a good student but just never came to class 2nd semester senior yr. I ended up graduating, but I made it interesting.
I didn’t have any classes my 2nd semester of senior year because I had enough credits to graduate early.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I was PSEO
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My final two years of high school I was in a program that included PSEO.
Three days of the week I went to a “Tech Prep” school which was college atmosphere but ran sort of like a High School. We took Cisco courses, A+, IT, CCNA (networking), Fiber Optics, programming (VB, C++), ethical hacking (personal favorite). Got certified in all of them.
The best part is that the teachers were awesome. The kind that were just fun to hang out with.
The other two days were related courses on campus of the local college.
It was probably two of the funnest years of my life.
I now major in journalism………
Lesson: don’t go to school.
Are you trying to piss me off?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a joke…
I don’t truly mean this. I believe not going to school is bad. I will admit I made that mistake.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I knew that . . . I was just trying to make a humerous reply, since many people here know I’m a teacher. I didn’t actually think you were serious.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
seems like my joke radar is hit and miss today.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Better Lesson: Go to school, get a cushy job and then you can make time to post on here most of the day long!
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Like Dorn.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I am also a little irked, as my “shocker” comment would reveal.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
C’mon guys it was obviously a joke.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I’m joking.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
and contagious, but it goes away in a couple weeks with the right ointment.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a case of this now. I’ve been taking college courses since I was a sophomore in high school (same college for about five years now). I now have over 65+ credit hours accumulated, only 2/3rds of which will transfer to most accredited universities. I’ve pretty much given up trying my hardest at this point. Hopefully I just need a change of scenery.
Next fall I’m transferring to do two more years of journalism classes….
Peyton Hillis is no joke
One of the best young FB’s in the NFL
Look at his college game film – a real football player
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
yep. i agree. he can also be a good goal line RB and third down RB b/c he can block and catch.
He also has underrated speed…ran a 4.58 at the combine. I believe he can be part of a good running back rotation, however wherever he has been teams have just used him to block for more talented players and failed to fully utilize his talent (Arkansas, Denver)
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