Next Up on the Tradining block....
by Guage80 on Mar 14, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
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Trading two former first rounders for a 3rd, 6th, Conditional and FB/RB isn't a good ROI. I'm surprised that we couldn't have done better for Wimbley considering the Raiders gave NE a 1st rounder for Richard Seymour, a guy that's been in the league for 10 years and has been less 'productive' in terms of sacks then Wimbley.
Do the Browns trade any other players? The only one I can think of is Big Shaun Rogers. The Browns would probably do it if they could get at least a 3rd rounder for him and with 9 years in the league he likely won't be around/effective when the Browns are competitive in a 'few' years.
Of all the positions our new leadership understands it's the QB. The door is open for the Browns to pick the new/next attempt at a franchise QB in this years draft. There are at least 5-6 QBs that have potential and not a ton of teams looking to draft one, so hopefully we can pick one in the 2nd or 3rd round that ends up working out.
Overall I'm looking forward to seeing what the draft holds and how the rest of the off-season moves go.
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Richard Seymor is three to four times the player Wimbley is, and I like Wimbley.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Trading two former first rounders for a 3rd, 6th, Conditional and FB/RB isn’t a good ROI.
Sunk Costs.
I’m surprised that we couldn’t have done better for Wimbley considering the Raiders gave NE a 1st rounder for Richard Seymour, a guy that’s been in the league for 10 years and has been less ‘productive’ in terms of sacks then Wimbley.
One is an outside linebacker, another is a defensive tackle who played in a 2—gap system. Wimbley should have even more sacks than Seymour than he does.
I’m all for trading Shaun Rogers, but not for a 3rd round pick. With 12 picks in this draft already, I’d begin exploring 2011 options. We are starting to get to the point where roster space becomes as issue.
exactly. looking at trading Kamerion Wimbley and Brady Quinn a la 2009, we got good deals.
Yes on the seymour thing. Seymour was drafted as a DT. he played DT in college. he is a 3-4 DE and can play DE in a 4-3 (which I think he did this year) but that is out of position. that is like Wimbley moving to the inside (ILB). Wimbley SHOULD have way more sacks. the goal of a guy like seymour is to get the occasional sack and take up blockers.
Lets just trade off the first 30 players for draft picks and just go all brand new. Oh, sorry, I was just reading the Browns master plan for the next 3 years. If the player is any good, we need to trade them, since we can’t ever have a winner here. I’m so tired of the Browns losing, and I just don’t see anything different happening in the next 3 years.
Hey Special – I’m out, tired of looking for, talking about, or seeing anything browns. I’ve spent years upon years as a fan, taking all the wisecracks, and looking forward to “Next Year”. I’m just can’t do it anymore.
Bye
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
by J. W. on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, just wow
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a couple of months off, J.W. Forget about the team as much as you can, concentrate on other things in your life. It’ll still be here when you’re less stressed and feel ready to take it on as the entertainment it’s supposed to be….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 15, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the classic viewpoint of the fan for whom its the destination and not the journey. If one needs to associate themselves to a winner to enjoy football, switch allegiances to whatever team is loaded. Eventually, you’ll be back when the Browns have their time. It’s okay, you got what you needed from the experience.
by elsandito on Mar 15, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s funny how many time I have felt like this. I don’t know how old J.W. is but I will assume he has been a Browns fan longer than I. I think this is the best part of being a Browns (Cleveland) fan in general. It is so hard to root for them after losing most of the time. But for me it builds it up for those great moments. Like beating the Steelers last year felt like a Super Bowl win. I feel sorry for fans that follow only the teams that are winning. They never can experience the true joy of when their team does something. I live for the day any Cleveland team wins a championship because I know for me it will be the best day of my life and no “band wagoner” will ever feel the way I will feel on that day.
I can’t speak for you J.W. but I know for me sticking with a team through the worst of times will make the best of times feel that much more amazing. I hope you stay a Browns fan.
by jsneides on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I still remember my dad cussing when I was a kid and “the fumble” happened. I was too little to remember much of what was going on, but damn sure remember him swearing and throwing things.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I remember I was at my Aunt’s funeral and my cousins were watching TV in the other room and it was on ESPN Classic and “The Drive” was on. I still remember how pissed my Uncle from the other side of the family was and told my cousin to turn it off immediately.
It couldn’t have been that they were watching ESPN at a funeral?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn’t agree more, losing builds character, we should all be loaded with it by now.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder sometimes if a Super Bowl victory wouldn’t damp my enthusiasm for the team. In most things, I’d prefer having something to bitch about to getting exactly what I want.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
And I wouldn’t look forward to the front runner, bandwagon fans. At all.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not me, I want enough rings to make Pittsburgh say goddamn.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That baby is so goddamn cute.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, that’s my younger daughter CeCe, The pic I posted before was her older sister Evie
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
…I never saw the other daughter, I remember a sign for your avatar right?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, "help us Tony Dungy you’re our only hope, I’d have to dig through the archives to link it, but it was the “How did you become a fan” post.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
quotation fail
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember it vaguely.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough, this is when we learned of why TRSS became a Brownie and that I thought he’d stay and also that I made one hell of a Chuck Norris joke that should now be revised into a Joe Thomas novel.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
coincidentally I was the one who turned you CN joke green.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I read this as, “That, baby, is so goddamn cute.”
I was creeped out.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
“Let’s eat Grandma!”
“Let’s eat, Grandma!”
Punctuation saves lives my friend.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.
insert punctuation to make it make sense
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 17, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well…you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear and that is a sow’s ear of a sentence.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
and that is a sow’s ear of a sentence
you sure your not from WV also bross? Sounds like something I would hear from the southern part of the state
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I was just using the phrase can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. I don’t think that is just a south thing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I’ve never heard it before, where are you from?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard it before too, no clue where though.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 19, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
do you remember where you first heard a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?
Where you heard its raining cats and dogs?
These things are just part of the english language.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
It is an idiom that is widely used in american language.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I’m aware of this, but it did not originate in America. It was widely used as early as the 1500s, and Jonathan Swift popularized it in his satirical writings.
seriously?
I thought it was maybe one of the most common idioms we use in english?
It is considered an idiom but is also considered a proverb too and I was reading it has been a proverb for over 500 years. Where are you from that you have never heard it?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
No it’s not really that common, some you hear every day, I’ve only heard that one once or twice before you and now that I think about it, it was probably in an old movie.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 20, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m from Cincinnati originally but have been in Cleveland for most of my life.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m starting to think that half of the people on this site are just legions of mooncamping’s different personalities. he must have about 75 accounts.
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 18, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this entire side is an exercise in pragmatic AI chat programming, DN. Maybe you’re the only real person here!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 18, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re out to get you.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
….and they’re all aspects of Mooncamping.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 18, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
by Villeslgr on Mar 18, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But what about when he’s using his hocus pocus to send clones of Moon after you?
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Why do I think this is hung in Mangini’s draft war room?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
what’s this from? It reminds me of Deus Ex. I don’t think its from that, but thats the first thing that popped into my head.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wanted to say thanks to jsneides, nice comments are you aren’t too far off. The Sipe years, and RR88 killed me, sipe leaving, and Kosar coming . I had my hoped another 2nd coming (kosar part duex) was gonna happen with BQ – hopes dashed way too many times when it comes to the Browns.
I will just work on my house, & garden now, guess I should take some b4 & after pics. I guess I can blame the browns for spending too much on my Casa.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Don’t forget to post negative comments on cleveland.com as well after every Browns move!
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by woodsmeister on Mar 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Tradining
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Looking forward to it.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
wait til our roster is sorted out, who knows who will stay and go.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think moon cares about the actual roster, its all maddenized anyway.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 15, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget “fantasization”.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
that was one of the first fanposts i read on DBN and believe me I had absolutely no idea what to make of it.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I was revisiting Moon’s first list. He actually did a great job despite our bewildered responses.
Those he included on the nay list, who are no longer with the Browns include: DA, Quinn, Braylon Edwards, Steptoe, Donte Stallworth, Corey Williams, Kamerion Wimbley, Jamal Lewis, Rex Hadnot, Ryan Tucker, Martin Rucker, and Leon Williams.
Only Fraley and Pool are notable players gone from the yay list.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Further proof to my “Moon is in the front office” theory.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And the two were potential people to actually stay.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet Jesus.
Moon is Holmgren.
We only have ourselves to blame.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You all know I like 6´3 and wiry for cornerback, and I thought Brodney Pool fit the mold. The deterent on him as it turns out is that he´s not fast and agile enough, not the concussion proneness.
I am indeed sad about Hank Fraley´s departure, he´s been a highly underrated player throughout his NFC championship Philadelphia Eagles days and with the Browns as a center. I think he would have found his calling for a few more years at guard. His success in my book at center only shows that a great guard can do alright at center, which also seems to be Alex Mack´s fate. But the tail of the tape unfortunately shows Hank Fraley played only 10 games for us last year, so what´s the point?
The front office has not impressed me so far.
The nay list includes Jerome Harrison, Lawrence Vickers, D’Quell Jackson, Brian Robiskie, and Ryan Pontbriand. Harrison and Vickers, along with the o-line, are the entire offense right now. And Ryan Pontbriand is the only player on the team who I can say with confidence will spend his entire career in Cleveland. Moon got more right than wrong, but some of the wrongs are really, really, wrong.
by rebuilding year on Mar 17, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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