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Community Guidelines

With the start of free agency, we have seen a pretty big spike in the number of new posters to the website.  With the draft right around the corner, I fully expect that number to grow.

I thought that this would be a good time to re-post the Community Guidelines that have been laid out here at DBN. 

I don't want this to sound like I am trying to come down on certain posters or newbies.  Here at DBN, we are always happy to have new, intelligent posters that bring new angles to discussions.  This is just a friendly reminder to everyone here on the website that we need to follow the rules and guidelines that makes this the best Browns website on the face of the planet (it's true, Joe Thomas told me that).

Again I will only highlight a few hot button issues, but I urge you to check out the entire list here.  If you ever need this link in the future it is in the top right box under the search bar.  There are some reminders and notes on there that even I forget at times.

Star-divide

A) Intelligent Discussions: If you visit the Cleveland.com discussion boards, how many posts do you find that are actually worth reading about the Browns? Not many. And, a significant amount of people who do talk about the Browns do so without much thought, posting comments such as "mangini sucks...can't we just ship rogers and take crabtree omg that would be amazing".

The thought itself is not stupid - the way that people go about conveying the thought is what can sound ignorant. A more appropriate way to post a take on the sentence above would be something like the following:

"Honestly, I think this offseason has been a train wreck so far. I know it's still early, but I'm very weary of some of the unusual decisions Mangini has made thus far, like his "issues" with Shaun Rogers and the releasing of a beloved player like Joe Jurevicius

Hopefully everything comes together around draft time - getting a player like Crabtree might be enough to offset the voids left by Jurevicius and Winslow."

I hope you see the difference. If not, it doesn't mean you need to leave DBN. Just enjoy reading the discussions and hold back posting yourself until you feel you're more comfortable conveying your thoughts better. Granted, you might feel hatred towards a coach or player, but it really annoys a lot of other people when statements are made without proper justification. In the end, everyone else might disagree with you, but that's fine as long as you backed up your argument in the first place.

B)  Using the Reply Button: This, above all else, can be one of the most frustrating things. Every time you respond with a general comment in a DBN post, FanPost, or FanShot, you can use the general reply box at the bottom of a page. This positions your comment to the far left of the page. However, if you want to address someone specifically, you must use the "reply" link underneath that person's post. This allows the discussion to flow smoothly. Consider the following situations:


Situation 1 (Incorrect Way):
-ChrisP: I think Braylon Edwards should just be dealt away.
-------rufio: Why would you think that? We wouldn't have any weapons on offense then.
---------------Brad: Right, unless you believe Paul Hubbard emerges out of no where.
-------Nick: I'm all for dealing Edwards - if we get a first round pick and future picks only, of course.
-ChrisP: Rufio, we could get Crabtree and just as easily replace him.

Whoa, where did that last post come from? Consider the following situation now:

Situation 1 (Correct Way):
-ChrisP: I think Braylon Edwards should just be dealt away.
-------rufio: Why would you think that? We wouldn't have any weapons on offense then.
---------------Brad: Right, unless you believe Paul Hubbard emerges out of no where.
---------------ChrisP: Rufio, we could get Crabtree and just as easily replace him.
-------Nick: I'm all for dealing Edwards - if we get a first round pick and future picks only, of course.

Now, as a reader, it's easy to understand exactly who and what I am responding to. Granted, it could have been comprehendible either way in short threads such as this one, but imagine the confusion that can be caused when 20 people respond with long opinions in each one. You would be breaking the discussion up in situation one, which only causes frustration.

C)  Posting Ethics: The following should go without saying. However, we do not condone racism, excessive foul language, or verbally attacking another user. If your post falls under these categories or something similar to them, if you really feel the need to have at it with somebody, contact them personally via email. Do not do it on DBN. This specifically includes political discussion as well!

D)  Attacking New Users: This one goes out to many of our veteran members, who have been doing this lately. If a new user posts something they shouldn't, or if they post something that seems unjustified (like they pulled it out of their...err..."hat"), that does not mean you need to respond with something overly sarcastic.

I would much rather you click the "actions > flag" button underneath a user's comment if you find it inappropriate. This will draw my attention to a specific post quicker than usual, and then I can handle it from there. Our goal is to mold new users into quality users, but that doesn't always happen over night. If you think a poster said something without explaining why they said it, don't say "go to Cleveland.com with that crap". Instead, I'd rather see "Can you explain why you said that? I can't take your statement seriously unless I hear a logical reason backing it up." Eventually, it should click in their mind that explaining their opinions or sources is necessary.

I like giving people the benefit of the doubt; new users typically are new to giving their thoughts on a public forum - patience is key. Sometimes, someone truly is out of line, and they will be warned and or banned at my discretion.

E)  Having Fun: Don't get the wrong idea - the most important thing, above all else, is to have fun at DBN. Don't hold back your opinions. Don't be afraid to challenge someone else's opinion. Free speech is not being violated or censored. Just make sure you're ready to justify your statements, and everything will be fine. Before you know it, you'll be a "respected" member trying to guide new members down the proper path as well.

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if you really feel the need to have at it with somebody, contact them personally via email

golanbatracatgmail.com

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As much as we don’t see eye to eye on football stuff, I like you. You crack me up.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just figured my email address should be included in the Community Guidelines.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second what B19K said, we may not always see eye to eye on anything really, but you do make me laugh a lot.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Mar 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll rec that, and maybe one day have to shoot you an email to discuss a certain topic. ;-)

Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.

by doggrad87 on Mar 21, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guess this wouldn’t be the proper forum to invite someone to become a fan of the bills…

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You can, just gotta do it the clean way.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you could go the way of *&%^$ I think we all know what goes there.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

your post reminded me of this:
http://www.holytaco.com/25-awesome-joseph-ducreux-memes

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ask that this said “slim shady” please rise

and that all of the imposters stay seated.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you appropriately stay seated as well?

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of those are pretty good. I like the Sir Mixalot one.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Mar 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to add another additional comment:

Don’t use
subject lines obnoxiously, as you can see here.

Most of us
here at Dawgs by Nature find it very annoying to read.

It may not
be an official rule / guideline, but rather simple DBN etiquette.

Thanks for
your cooperation, it is appreciated.

by Simmsinns on Mar 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

at first i was like :/ but then i was like :D

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That comment was tricky, I know.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done though. Well done.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"

by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

well said.

Cleveland.com… shudder

There’s a whole world out there looking in!

"The Braylon vaccine- one jab and you'll never catch anything ever again"

by LondonBrown on Mar 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Free speech is not being violated or censored.

Really?

Section ‘C’ states otherwise. Weather you like it or not, the first amendment protects hate/offensive speech. You may disagree with one’s words and argue, but you can’t forcibly zip their lips.
But I also understand that we don’t want people killing each other on here.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Free speech doesn’t protect any speech anywhere, and DBN is not the public sphere.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free speech doesn’t protect any speech anywhere

What?
Oh, I forgot, it’s 1984.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite.

Free speech doesn’t protect private spaces. Free speech doesn’t protect against screaming “fire” in a crowded movie theatre, etc. And for good reason.

This is not a public board. If someone wants to create their own board for hate/offensive speech, they have the right to do so in my understanding. This board is about football, is not public, and those who run this board have the right to cease any conversation that they deem inappropriate.

In other words, lips can be forcibly zipped on this site.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

free speech also doesn’t protect against threats, inciting violence…just some other examples.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not talking about yelling out something to cause a panic. That’s completely different. Don’t know why you brought that up.
DBN isn’t really "private", but it has rules that are necessary and fine with me. But you can’t say that there is freedom of speech and have rules to prevent certain speech. It doesn’t make sense.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

DBN is most certainly a privately owned entity. The Associated Press is a private entity. The AP owns this website, owns the domain, and owns the physical servers on which the site resides.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m here. It’s not that private.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Private ownership. Whether or not it’s private (like a country club) makes no difference in the application of the first amendment. If a space (a building, a vacant lot, a stadium, a domain) is privately owned, the owners can place nearly unlimited restrictions on speech.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly. the idea of something being private is that not only can they exclude people from using it, but they can exclude words from being used. in a public place, anything goes. that is why cleveland.com has so much crap.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, thank you.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 21, 2010 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

While it isn’t that hard to believe that you would not gain access to a private club, private ownership is very different from the private you seem to be thinking of.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is private because:

a) you have to apply or at least just check a box to join.

b) there are moderators. cleveland.com is public. that in a way is the problem with it.

Cleveland.com is a perfect example of a Public good on the internet. In an economic sense, a public good is nonexcludable (people cannot b prevented from using it) and nonrival in consumption (using it doesn’t decrease others ability to use).

c) DBN and all of the other SBN websites are what economists would call a natural monopoly. use doesn’t decrease others ability to use it. however, it can be prevented from being used (excludable). a natural monopoly is private. it is something like Television, or Sirius Radio.

Because of how SBN sites are set up they ARE private.

Yes ANYONE can join, but at the same time, anyone can get kicked out. golan here has experienced this (just temporarily though…good to have ya back). There are moderators to keep this from being Cleveland.com. the problems over there (stupid posters, etc…) are the problems public goods face everywhere.

yes it is “free” to join but you do not have free reign like you do on other sites.

I agree with the freedom of speech part.

However, some of the things that have violated the speech here are questionable free speech as is.

“The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.” -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

holmes was a supreme court justice involved in Schneck vs. US. this case set up the idea of “clear and present danger” and first heard the example of shouting fire in a crowded theater.

All of these are examples of free speech that is either not covered by the constitution (in the court cases) or questionably covered (the holmes quote). The holmes quote perfectly encapsulates the idea of free speech. some comments have come quite close to touching the other man’s nose and may have actually touched it in some cases.

and like everyone was saying, this is a private place and the moderators are there to enforce the rules of DBN.

It might not seem logical to you, but to me it makes sense, especially when you accept that DBN is private.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is private because:

a) you have to apply or at least just check a box to join.

b) there are moderators. cleveland.com is public. that in a way is the problem with it.

Cleveland.com is a perfect example of a Public good on the internet. In an economic sense, a public good is nonexcludable (people cannot b prevented from using it) and nonrival in consumption (using it doesn’t decrease others ability to use).

c) DBN and all of the other SBN websites are what economists would call a natural monopoly. use doesn’t decrease others ability to use it. however, it can be prevented from being used (excludable). a natural monopoly is private. it is something like Television, or Sirius Radio.

Because of how SBN sites are set up they ARE private.

Yes ANYONE can join, but at the same time, anyone can get kicked out. golan here has experienced this (just temporarily though…good to have ya back). There are moderators to keep this from being Cleveland.com. the problems over there (stupid posters, etc…) are the problems public goods face everywhere.

yes it is "free" to join but you do not have free reign like you do on other sites.

I agree with the freedom of speech part.

However, some of the things that have violated the speech here are questionable free speech as is.

This is all wrong.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you just highlight everything I said and say it was all wrong? what was the purpose? I was agreeing with you.

these are legitimate reasons why it is private. In an economic sense, it is considered a natural monopoly. while the term seems out of place, that is what it is. Cleveland.com is a public good in the sense of the internet in general, yahoo, or other public sites.

what was the point of doing this? to get my goat again like you tried to do last night? Well, it doesn’t work because

a) I know its coming and I see your intent

b) I KNOW I am right from an economic sense…wanna look it up and prove me wrong?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland.com is actually private.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

can people get kicked off of cleveland.com?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not know that. from what I have read there, it seems like the people have pretty much free reign. I guess it is a natural monopoly but one that is severely flawed by an influx of inferior goods.

I have a couple other questions then

a) what kinds of moderators do they have?

b) What do you have to do to be kicked off?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a privately capitalized newspaper so the website is privately owned. I don’t know what mods they have, but that has nothing to do with the public or private designation.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Public/private is not a good way to frame it — think of it as government/not-government. First amendment only applies to government.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 20, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not talking about how it is owned. I am talking about the GOOD provided. a good that cannot be prevented from being used (nonexcludable) is a public good. a good that can be prevented from being used is private.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly have no idea what argument you are attempting to make.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

??

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meaning that rather than just admit you were wrong/confused, you are changing what you are saying. Moving target.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 20, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was not changing one bit what I was saying though…that is why I was confused.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t feel like explaining it then.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, cleveland.com might be a public good, but even if that’s true it has no legal bearing at all. Those terms are just a way of describing who can use a certain good. In the case of free speech what matters is whether something is government run (public) or privately run.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “public” v. “private” that is being discussed here is the type of ownership — if it is “publicly” owned, that means that it is owned by a government entity. As such, with certain exceptions that I don’t want to get into here (such as where the government is acting as a private entity), the first amendment restricts the type of regulation of speech that can occur. As I said downthread, but will repeat here: “The first amendment only protects speech against regulation by the federal government (and the fourteenth amendment extends the first amendment’s protection against the state and local governments). Because Dawgs by Nature is not run by the federal government, or by any state or local government, there is no first amendment issue here.”

Replace “Dawgs by Nature” with “cleveland.com” and just about every other website, and my statement still applies. In other words, if it’s not “publicly” owned, then it is private — this has NOTHING to do with whether you need to sign up for the website or whether you check a box. That is probably why golanbatrac said that you were wrong.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am not talking about publicly owned, or privately owned companies.

I am talking about it in basic goods. Private goods of any kind can be prevented from being used. Public goods cannot. I was under the impression that you could not get kicked off of cleveland.com message boards. in this sense, from an economists standpoint, it is a public good.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhhhhhh?!?! I have a degree in economics (with honors) from a well-respected university and what you are saying makes zero sense — particularly in this context of websites. As you may also have inferred, I am also a lawyer, and the basic legal principles I was explaining are the reason (whether you think they make sense or not) why the first amendment does not apply to this website, to cleveland.com or to any other nongoverment-owned website.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well. I am an economics major and it made sense to me. maybe we got taught different concepts.

I agree with you on the first amendment thing too.

I am studying a bit of law in my free time and your points seem like what I have come across about the first amdendment.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I discovered the cause of the economic crisis.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

bross09 = Ben Bernanke

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol. He did write one of my econ textbooks…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha look what I started. I even said that I agreed with the rules in place here, and people kept going.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is probably why golanbatrac said that you were wrong.

Yes.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You reference this, like, every day. It’s annoying. You don’t have unlimited rights because you own a computer.

by gahnki on Mar 20, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if every day was the same day?

We are watching you.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 20, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta say, Groundhog Day is a much better title than Endless Day.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was trying to bring some culture to the site.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 20, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

the direct translation is “A day without end,” even worse.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don’t like it, ignore it. Pretty much what I do when you talk.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you’re missing a lot of worthwhile comments.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 21, 2010 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this attitude, and you belief about what is private and what is not, is going to cause many people (myself included) to do the same to you.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Mar 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You reference this, like, every day. It’s annoying.

I’ve brought it up twice in the last 10 months. I didn’t like his tone.
And if you read the other comments, I already apologized for bringing it up.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 23, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only applies to public spaces. This website is not a public space.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

duh

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you didn’t get my agreement with the regulations in my last sentence.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was pretty vague for a thesis sentence.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That part is meant to be read in the context in which it appears, which is this:

Don’t be afraid to challenge someone else’s opinion. Free speech is not being violated or censored. Just make sure you’re ready to justify your statements, and everything will be fine.

In that sense, it means you won’t be violated or censored just because you hate the moves Holmgren is making, as long as you attempt to justify your statements. Now, if you say “Holmgren blows, he’s a fat ass,” that’d be subject to removal because there’s really no justification to bringing that up as a legitimate reason Holmgren’s offseason moves aren’t favored by a particular person.

Anything else is fair game to be subjected to my discretion as well as the community’s (which is why we have the “Flag” button, which highlights a post as red for me so I can take a closer look at it).

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 20, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, since the quote appears under the “Having Fun” section, it was meant to tie things up by saying, “you can voice your opinion freely, just be responsible.” Perhaps I should change the wording to that since it conveys the same meaning without the “free speech” verbiage being subject to interpretation.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 20, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Chris. I just stirred the pot a little. My bad.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you understood, as evidenced by your last statement in your initial post; I was just responding to your stirring of the pot nonetheless :)

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way chris. we should maybe just close comments to the recap of the press conference. Partially because of Me I admit, it has turned into a crapfest of dumb comments, many of which I believe have been flagged. Maybe just take down the 2nd al sharpton pic b/c then I think the whole stupid thread will go away.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will go away when you stop talking on there. Just don’t worry about it.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty much done…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes it’s good to just give in for the sake of the site and people’s eyes. Weather it is to stop responding or try to make amends.
Notice how golan and I ended our argument on that said thread? Jokes were said and we both gave up at the same time. I now have zero problems with golan.
Like BK said, it’s all about fun. Yes, name calling and arguments will never go away, but that is what makes us smarter. Prolonged arguments just aren’t healthy.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first amendment protects hate/offensive speech

Indeed. However, the first amendment only protects speech against regulation by the federal government (and the fourteenth amendment extends the first amendment’s protection against the state and local governments). Because Dawgs by Nature is not run by the federal government, or by any state or local government, there is no first amendment issue here.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 20, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

DBN isn’t part of America, and the 1st amendment doesn’t apply to it.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Mar 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The community guidelines suck. Can’t we just forget Bernie19Kosar and stick with our own ideas?

by elsandito on Mar 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Bernie is 100% correct, though. Some people (myself most definitely included) need reeled in a good bit.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. You know Chris personally wrote the guidelines?

Nice.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 20, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t say “go to Cleveland.com with that crap”.

There goes all the fun.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

instead of saying that, we could just say, “I think you would find this ”http://cleveland.com"

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit! i meant:
 I think you would find this site more enjoyable

It seems that if i try to put that sentence in quotations it messes up the link.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of RickRolling we should have Cleveland.comimng, if someone posts in all caps, !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111, etc., just write some long response agreeing in kind and say, Bro!!! You’re so right!! Manwieni is an idiot!!!?? Why trade Quinn/Andreson?? HE’S THE BEST QB TO COME TO THE BROWNS SINCE??? Since nobody bro!!! Because our QBS suck!!

Don’t believe me?? Watch this Quinn/Anderson/Bradford/Claussen/McCoy/Delhomme/Wallace could never do this.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 21, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just got Pluto Pranked. =[

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol. I have started to notice (just from occasionally glancing at the comments) one user there who is really an idiot.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 21, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s more than one. That place is littered with idiots.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on Mar 21, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. just one who seems to annoy everyone, post on every article, and might not even have an active brain (I think he called DA a HOF QB).

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 21, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if I ever get agitated here, i’ll just go over there and unleash some fury, then come back.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saying it to someone like Salty Dawg is probably acceptable ;)

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 20, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment makes me salty.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost wish he would post like once a month, just as a reminder to all of us not to take the intelligent conversation here for granted.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The boss just shot down your interpretation of the DBN Constitution.

Owned.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 20, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You realize that I just copied and pasted what he wrote right?

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 20, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh. Our dedicated members can’t even read the original guideline link; how in the world am I going to convince the newcomers to do so? :p

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 21, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Mar 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

way to steal my thunder!

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 20, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are bad.

Where’s the “Joe Thomas does heart surgery……While blocking the Williams’ at the same time”?

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 20, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’m man enough to be comfortable with pantsless Joe Thomas.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 21, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Thomas is comfortable in any clothing…He is man enough to wear hot pants and be more of a man than any of us.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 21, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to pull the shirt down to cover his junk…

That was extremely awkward to type. I need some rubbing alcohol.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This could be my new avatar

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 21, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That guy looks more like Frodo from Lord of the Rings.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a more elegant take upon Joe Thomas. Call it, artistic interpretation.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

he appears to be taking a break, having just pancaked hundreds of defenders.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will this by “stickied” in any way on the front page?

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Mar 20, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I only say this because the ‘Community Guidelines’ link on the right doesn’t really do much in terms of getting people to read it. If I’m new here the first thing I’m looking for is a new post, not the guidelines. So if this could “attract” more readers then cool.

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Mar 20, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, how bout a new draft discussion page?

by rockybrown on Mar 20, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

So, if I post: “EXPLETIVE the world”, you can hold me accountable?
And if I post: “I´m dissatisfied with the ruling class”, it´s alright?
Or is intending EXPLETIVE already wrong, even if coded EXPLETIVE is left to our imagination?

by mooncamping on Mar 21, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Intending is fine like: F%$k you, go root for Buffalo. Just don’t purposefully use an intended expletive against someone.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

This. “f%#@ you, go root for buffalo” is a running joke. that type of vulgarity isn’t likely to get deleted because it isn’t a personal attack. it isn’t necessarily the profane words themselves that offend, its the context.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 21, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why my disclaimer in the second sentence tries to clear that up.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its only a personal attack if you are secretly phil savage.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I´m neither obsessed, nor supressed, nor depressed, nor possessed by him, so it must still be me.

by mooncamping on Mar 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just described Kwoog.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this should be moon’s theme song even over the one I came up with.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Mar 22, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless of the itty bitty print this site is still 99.5% win. (.5% reserved for buffalo)

by sleepy042 on Mar 21, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

You probably already know this, but for anyone who doesn’t, holding CTRL and pressing the plus sign (right next to your backspace key usually) will increase font size in Firefox.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Asus acts like a Mac. And you just have to move your fingers over the pad to enlarge.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does that work? I got a new Dell Inspirion around Christmas and sometimes it does weird things if I touch the pad or the laptop around the pad. Screen size changes windows open up. I just figured my computer was janky.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you move a finger to the left and a finger to the right at the same time=enlarge. Bring the fingers together=shrink. Three fingers up or down go to the top or bottom accordingly and two fingers left, right, up, down in the same motion scroll the page. A tap from a finger clicks.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touch tapping / gestures can be turned off in the control panel in Windows 7. (Control Panel/Mouse — somewhere in the Advanced options for the touchpad is an option to enable touchpad tapping — uncheck that box).

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet, thanks to both of you, that was really annoying.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Mar 21, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touch-tapping drives me up a wall. Disabling it is always the second thing I do when I buy a computer.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

what’s the first?

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Mar 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Porn.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s three.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And erasing the history so the Mrs. doesn’t find out is five.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed at this.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Mar 21, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

My ASUS has a rather perfect touch tap system. You need a good amount of force to actually click so it works well for me.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"f%#@ you, go root for buffalo"

You might have to update that when they move to Toronto…

"The Braylon vaccine- one jab and you'll never catch anything ever again"

by LondonBrown on Mar 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Can footbal remain the last of the big 4 to not cross the boarder? I hope so.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,it has crossed the border, just not in the NFL, and it will potentially jump the ocean before the border.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant in the sense of having a NFL team outside of America.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

potentially jump the ocean before the border.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The London Silly Nannies?

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would have to be The London Blitz.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might offend some people.

by gahnki on Mar 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Berlin Wall?

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Photobucket

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were making WWII references.

Reference fail.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i understand the WWII references, i was merely throwing out another option for a mascot. didn’t realize it was exclusive. plus, my response was to golan, not you.

trying to stick it to someone for no reason fail.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

additionally, the berlin wall isn’t really a WWII reference, its a post-WWII reference. just sayin.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 22, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a cause of WWII though, more Cold War yes, but influenced by WWII.

Not knowing enough history to try to re – stick it to the sticker fail.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Berlin Wall did not cause WWII.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

From* not of. Good call.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. berlin wall was not a cause of WWII.

2. my knowledge of WWII history is likely as good if not better than yours.

done with this argument.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I explained my grammatical mistake to Golanbatrac. It was a cause from* not of. So, indeed.

I don’t know you enough to care or argue about it. And this isn’t an argument, it’s a discussion. Two very different things.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i know. no problem, let’s just electronically hug and make up.

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

All is right with the world.

Joe Thomas smiles down upon us.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

amen.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Mar 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think it’ll be funnier to say “go root for buffalo” once they move to Toronto.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Mar 22, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

god that would be so terrible for the NFL. Have to keep some of these traditional teams where they are

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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