Draft projections???
by JBrownFan on Mar 21, 2010 8:56 PM EDT
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PrintAs a Browns fan I would like to see Eric Berry come to Cleveland. With that being said if he is gone by 7 I think we should really attempt to trade down and take either Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas. In the second round I would love to see Jason Pierre-Paul drop to us, its a reach but everybody can hope. If not I think the two kids out of TCU would be great pickups or we could address the CB position with Amari Spievey out of Iowa (could probabley trade down to later in the second and get him, great prospect). Now, with the trade of Kamerion Wimbley and the oncoming of Matt Roth not great but definitely good moments, I think OLB might not be as important as everybody thinks. That doesn't mean we don't need help with the LB position, I just think with drafting Veikune and Maiava last year we should take the earlier rounds to fix our problems at the DL. With picks at 71,85, and 92, I think Lamar Houston out of Texas, Tyson Alualu out of Cal, Jamar Chaney out of MIss. St. or Sean Lee out of Penn State would be great picks for LB. Not too big on any of the WR coming out of this draft. Some solid hands with Shipley, serious speed with Jacoby Ford and decent production with Riley Cooper all third or fourth round prospects.
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I actually think our DL is pretty good when healthy. Problem is we are pretty old on the DL. I wouldn’t mind seeing us draft a guy, we just don’t absolutely need to.
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I agree. Not a huge need. If we go after one with the 85th pick or our pick in the 4th that would be good. these are some of are later mid-round picks and we can get a guy who can maybe work his way into the rotation and add depth.
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With picks at 71,85, and 92, I think Lamar Houston out of Texas, Tyson Alualu out of Cal, Jamar Chaney out of MIss. St. or Sean Lee out of Penn State would be great picks for LB
Are you saying you want Houston or Alualu to play LB?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 21, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Knew it was a Camaro. The Mustang eater.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not take speivey in the second. there are many more CBs I would take over him there. I have questions about his speed, ability to play press coverage, recovery speed/deep coverage (rarely thrown too deep), and D-1 experience. Some guys that may be available with our 2nd round pick are: Kareem Jackson, Devin McCourty, Brandon Ghee, Dominique Franks, Pat Robinson. With our 7th pick in the third, I might take Ghee, Owusu-Ansah. All of these guys I rank higher than Speivey.
With JPP, I watched him on film and I was thoroughly unimpressed. He lined up most of his plays over the RT with Selvie over the LT. RTs tend to not be as adept at pass blocking and not as fast with their feet to contain rushers (Sam Young). he was able to dominate some mediocre RTs but he never faced a true NFL caliber RT and did well. He faced up against selvish capers and except for one play where he got free (but only rushed the QB, didn’t even touch him) he was shut down pretty much the whole game. He only had one season playing in D-! football and wasn’t overly impressive. he disappeared a lot including the game I just described where he completely disappeared on the stat sheets. His game is not polished enough IMO to make much of an impact. for a “workout warrior” who didn’t do much on the collegiate level, his measurables aren’t overly impressive for me to even waste our 2nd round pick on him (4.71 40, only 19 bench press reps)
Also, I am guessing you found this list of players partially on measurables. mays has great measurables and when I first found out about them, they wowed me too. however, his play on the field has been less than stellar. He looked dreadful in coverage.
I don’t agree with the need of D-Lineman and I Don’t agree that we don’t need a Pass rushing LB. Who would we have besides Roth to put pressure on the QB…Marcus Benard? He might be a good player someday but I don’t have faith in him starting right now.
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Dude.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much.
I saw that and said “Nope. No f – ing way.”
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ehhh…I don’t care if you don’t care enough to read. its part of life.
I will some it up in a few words, the poster doesn’t know what he is talking about, when it comes to prospects. However, I actually want so show why someone is wrong, instead of just saying they are…
and again sorry you don’t like to read…but is it my comments that you just don’t like to, or others comments, or even the articles here?
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That’s sum somery.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 21, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. I am not a great speller.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
yet you felt compelled to call me out when i misspelled ulterior last week?
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 22, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
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"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 22, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I rarely ever trust your comments. You’ve made a bad reputation in kind of blowing crap out your blow hole. And I also rarely ever read novel comments, yours included.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what. you don’t usually bring much intelligent to the table in your comments anyways…
I made a bad reputation at the beginning.
I do not blow crap out of my blowhole. you can think whatever you want, but at least I am trying to contribute to the intelligent discourse.
I am sorry you don’t read novel comments. do you need to have them on a book on tape for you so it is easier on your eyes? you need me to use smaller words for you to comprehend it?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
you know what. you don’t usually bring much intelligent to the table in your comments anyways…
Definition of irony.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you haven’t read any of my comments since the first week.
oh well…no point in arguing with you.
If someone refuses to read my posts and then says that what I say is unintelligent, that is being a little thick.
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Dude, read what is italicized. Not trying to be a dick, just bringing some humor. You said you were trying to bring intelligence to the table but you incorrectly inserted the wrong form of intelligent into your sentence.
That’s ironic. Intelligent= knowledge and you incorrectly used the word. Lighten up.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t catch that. My forte is not the english language, I will admit.
I thought you were saying that none of my comments are ever smart.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I did in fact not say that.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some makeout session.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It got a little dry, I will admit.
And jealous? Thought so.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jealous? Nope. I know you’ll always come back to me. ;)
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 21, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
actually that usage of intelligent is correct. it may not be the best, but its still correct
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and no point in arguing with someone who decides to be as thick as you are deciding to be.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
And you double comment a lot as well. Not being mean just typing out my thoughts.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
like this? I don’t double comment a lot to my knowlege. I try not to, and this was one of the few times I remember double typing recently…if any.
Sorry if I was rude. I think I misinterpreted what you said took them too personal.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I did tend to push my feelings a little farther than I should have.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I recommend splitting up your comments so each player has a post to himself of appropriate length. It is very hard to decipher a block of text.
yes. I do add spaces but I forget that one space in between paragraphs still looks squeezed. I think I will start adding 2-3 mor often.
Like this
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you obviously think that no one elses opinion is worth listening to so, thanks for showing me on my first post not to bother talking to
to be fair, he wrote a small novel explaining why he felt that way and wasn’t nearly as dismissive, but then again i’d be surprised if anybody bothered reading that.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t being rude. you had some valid points. Speivey is a good player but I would not take him in the second.
JPP is a very popular pick to take. I just think he will be a bust and IMO is not worth more than an early third round pick.
I do think we need an edge rusher of the type that can get to the QB somewhat consistently. I would like to see us get gocong but if not, I would like to draft a guy.
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i could respect that about JPP, purely a potential pick, but I would rather take someone who has mad potential vice a so so player
maybe. I am not even that sold on his potential though.
i would rather have a guy like a brandon graham. I think he is maybe one of the least risky players at the pass rush position. he is a very good athlete, and he put up great numbers on the field. the only thing I worry is his shorter arms…but they said the same thing about elvis dumervil.
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Thank you for once again showing that you randomly make stuff up and expect people to swallow your bs.
the only thing I worry is his shorter arms…but they said the same thing about elvis dumervil.
you in the past:
yeah. dumervil is the exception. that position DOES rely on arm length. so does O-Lineman.
my response:
Dumervil is short but has very long arms
your response
in that way he is the exception. a guy that height usually cannot survive for long rushing the passer.
I have never heard anyone criticize Dumervil for having short arms. He is noted for his long arms
Either provide some support or quit making things up. It’s a pain to have to fact check everyone of your posts. You provide a lot of commentary and that could be a good thing, but unfortunately half of it is either contradictory or made up BS.
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by Villeslgr on Mar 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I don’t know how long Elvis Dumervil’s arms are, but I think this is a misunderstanding. Elvis Dumervil is short, but has uncharacteristically long arms for his size. This makes him have average arms for the position. So you are both right. Elvis Dumervil has long arms, but a guy his height normally wouldn’t and thus would not normally be a good pass rusher.
Again, I have no idea if this is what each of you meant, but this is a way in which both of you are right without stretching your imagination that far.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec for the same….you are my John McCarthy
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I don’t know who John McCarthy is so I tried looking it up on wikipedia. it did not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCarthy
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
http://lordn.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bigjohn.jpg
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A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
After looking at the picture I don’t know whether I should be flattered or not to be compared to him lol.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ha…Big John is/was a well respected and well liked referee early in the days of MMA fighting. Its good
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I respect his beer belly
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Elvis Dumervil: 32 inch arms, 9 1/8 inch hands 30 bench press reps, 4.78 40 (4.68 at pro day), 1.65 10 yd, 2.81 20 yd splits
5’11 3/8 257 lbs
Brandon graham: 32 1/4 arm length 9 7/8 in hands, 30 bench press, 4.71 40, 1.61, 2.69 splits
6’1’’ 268
For his HEIGHT, he has slightly shorter arms than Dumervil. Overall though, his are actually LONGER. in a way, their skills are somewhat similar from what I have seen, except that graham is a little bigger, a little faster, and a little more explosive.
NTN is right.
I was wrong though, Graham’s arems are not overly short like I had read. they are actually decent for his height, but he is not overly tall.
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What NTN said is fine, but that’s not what you said.
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What. that i said he didn’t have long arms?
from what I read, people said for his SIZE he had long arms. Most DE/OLBs are 6’2-6’3.
Wimbley has long arms FOR HIS HEIGHT. they are over 34 inches. if Dumervil had long arms in general, would they be 2 inches shorter than wimbley’s?
He has arms of someone who is bigger…but because he is so short, they are not extremely long arms in general. they are still on the short side when you look at all players at his position.
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You said he was criticized for having short arms.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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In other words, i haven’t found anyone anywhere who has said that Dumervil’s arm length was a detriment to his playing. In contrast, everyone talks about how his arm length is a big factor in his playing level.
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About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
“kept his arms too short, letting blockers engulf him”
draft profile cbssports.com
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I think that probably refers to him not getting extension rather than actually having short arms.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless i’m missing something, that has to do with technique.
Also, I wasn’t able to find his draft profile on CBS. The only thing i could find with that quote was on this page (search engulf, it’s only on there twice) and it was included in an assortment of quotes without sources.
“His improved hand usage allows him to get through trash much better than he did in the past (kept his arms too short, letting blockers engulf him).”
Quote was referring to his progression through his senior season.
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About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
so this guy has short arms, that are long. He also has longer than average arms b/c he is short. He as well has a short stance but uses the long arms for rushing? I’m confused
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by Kimble_79 on Mar 22, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Dumervil is more fluid while Graham is probably stronger at the POA as well.
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he played well? Did he even play? what have we seen from Veikune to say that he can rush the QB effectively in the NFL? What has he done so far?
yeah, we can really rely on him to start…considering he didn’t contribute AT ALL this season. From what I saw he was purely a situational special teams player that didn’t play much at all when the team was doing good.
we NEED a better option at that position.
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i can agree with that, my statement earlier was based on performance during off season workouts and hype.
I didn’t find much hype about veikune personally. He could be a good player, but I think we need at least one more player at that position. I personally would like us to go after gocong. he has experience in the league and has very good measurables.
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If I were the browns here would be my plan:
in the first pick trade a late third to get up to #5 and take berry. Pioli will want an OT and be glad to move down and save money.
In the second pick I think you are hoping for Kareem Jackson or Devin McCourty.to be there. Otherwise Patrick Robinson is moving up some boards too.
I see us packaging a third, fifth, and one of next years picks for another pick in the early to mid second in order to take either McCoy or Tebow.
In the third I would really love to see Andre Roberts fall to me in that early third pick.
The picks I’ve got left I look for OL depth or if theres a DL or LB i feel is good value, like Jamar Chaney.
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I see us packaging a third, fifth, and one of next years picks for another pick in the early to mid second in order to take either McCoy or Tebow.
You have us trading up twice? Why in the name of Joe Thomas would we trade a pick from next years draft? We are going to be picking in the top ten next season. Our picks next season will be valuable.
MORE picks next year, not less. This team has massive holes, we need talent.
This was supposed to be a reply to Jaws.
Self flag.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Berry is the only guy I would consider trading up for….at least until we see how draft day is going and if we can trade up a few spots in the third to grab a guy like kareem jackson, I might do it…(but its all about who is falling and rising that day)
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Exactly, what we need is to hit on our picks in the first 3 rounds. Preferably finding a QB in the process. You gotta use some of those lower picks as ammo to get the exact players you want. You’ll still have 3 or 4 picks left you could trade for 2011 picks.
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If a guy is there in the second that you think is your QB of the future, he is worth a 3rd, fifth, and 2011 4th or something like that. it depends on what team your trading with and which qb you want and how far he is going to fall. I really think the talent drops off big after McCoy and Tebow. Lefevour might be there in the third if Holmgren loves him.
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Here is what I am kind of seeing, past round 3 it is more of who I like than what I think.
Round #1(1 Pick) – Eric Berry, S, Tenn (Joe Haden, CB, Florida if Berry is gone)
Round #2 (1 Pick) – Kareem Jackson, CB (Myron Rolle, S, Florida State, if Haden is taken in the first round)
Round #3 (3 Picks) – Tim Tebow, QB, Florida/ Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan
Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
Ciron Black, OT, Louisiana State
Round #4 (1 Pick) – Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa
Round #5 (4 Picks) – LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Shaun Lauvao, OG, Arizona State
Kurt Coleman, S, Ohio State
Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas
Round #6 (3 Picks) – Jermaine Cunningham, DE, Florida
Adam Ulatoski, OT, Texas
Awasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana,Pennsylvania
Round #7 (1 Pick)- Trindon Holliday, WR, Louisiana State
According to draftsite, the 7th round pick is a compensatory pick. Don’t know how we aquired it, but if isn’t true I’m not exactly kicking myself over losing it.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not bad… here is mine—
1. Eric Berry, S, Tenn
2. Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
3. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3. Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
3. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
4. Mike Neal, DT, Purdue
5. Jevan Snead, QB, Miss
5. O’Brien Schofield, OLB, Wisc
5. Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
5. Chris Marinelli, OT, Stanford
6. Sergio Render, OG, Va Tech
6. Jameson Konz, S, Kent St
I don’t think we need a RB as much as maybe other positions. We already have harrison, Hillis, and we possibly have either davis or jennings.
I do like the pickup of mike neal, and Jacoby ford is decent.
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I was thinking Jacovy Ford also, I just think somebody else will take risk on him before the third.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but Rolle would be a terrible value in the 2nd.
I also don’t see Briscoe, Cunningham, or Owusu-Ansah falling that far.
Holliday’s value is only at ST
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 22, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Me and you can’t agree on any players can we….lol.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? I love the kid.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
He’s a great kid. His football skills have been overrated because of his brains. He’s always had the ideal size for the position, but is slow and was not very good in college. Watching him at FSU made me think he had no future as a pro, and when he went and did the Rhodes it made sense to me. Now I feel like the Rhodes hype has allowed him to become a pro prospect, but I would not be surprised if he only went in the 7th or did not get drafted at all.
I would love this, but I would be very surprised to see Jackson still on the board in the second.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 23, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think Joe Haden is a great pick at the seven spot……even if berry is gone. I think we should drop to later in the first and take another CB or S.
Its a good plan but its easier said than done. Have to find a team that is in love with clausen or some other player that is available at #7. Maybe one of the 4-3 teams sells out for Derrek Morgan or something but I’m not sure it would be easy to find a deal.
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the other way would be if one of the LTs is available and someone wants to move up to get them.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 22, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
its not easily done but it CAN be done. remember, the browns did it last year.
Plus I am looking at it and heckert seems to like to trade down too.
In 2008, he traded a first rounder for a 2nd and 4th, then moved a 5th rounder to a 4th to drop 6 spots in the 2nd round.
In 2007, they traded down with Dallas and dallas got anthony spencer while they got Kolb and Stewart bradley…good trade to me.
It is hard to find draft day trades before 2007…but heckert does have the ability to trade down.
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Yeah, finding a deal would be the hard part. I wonder if rookie coach Pete Carroll would get enamored with the possibility of taking two top-10 players? The Seahawks have #‘s 6 and 14 in the first round; the difference between #14 and our #7 is 400 points according to the draft-pick value chart. The Seahawks have pick #60 which is worth 300 points. Ask for that, and something else – perhaps next year’s third or fourth rounders or this year’s fourth-rounder.
It would require the right players to fall. I’m guessing that two of Clausen, Bradford, Berry, Suh, Okung, and McCoy would have to be available. I’m not sure if Bulaga or one of the other OT’s, combined with just one of the above names, would be enticing enough.
Paying #6 and 7 money in the same year might be a problem for the ’Hawks, though.
I don’t necessarily have a problem with your scenario, just remember that Pete Carroll is NOT a rookie coach in the NFL
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by notthatnoise on Mar 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Had to go to wikipedia to look up his history. Interesting. I began following sports in ‘03, so I’ve only known him as USC’s coach.
understandable, its been quite some time since he was a coach in the NFL, so its easy to forget.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 23, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Next year, not this year. Get Heyward, Homan, Chimni Chekwa (spelling?), and I wouldn’t mind Saine late.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Justen Boren. The only OSU player from this years team that I’d actually want.
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How would you not want Heyward? He’s a beast and a perfect fit in our scheme.
Other Buckeyes who I think are pretty easily NFL talents in a few years: Posey, Brewster, Larimore, John Simon
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I think Posey is going to be great at the next level.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve watched him and he never was the impact player that Gholston was, and Gholston has been such a big disappointment in the NFL.
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One has nothing to do with the other, though.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 23, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i suppose. I am just really surprised Gholston hasn’t figured it out in the pros. I almost think he just doesn’t care very much.
Anyway I’m not totally against anyone on the team but nobody i would completely lose my lunch over. Gibson looks like a pretty nice player but we already have quite a few linebackers on the roster that we don’t know what to do with.,
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They play completely different positions.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am not doubting you, but how are their positions different? did heyward play LB more in college?
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Heyward would be a 3-4 DE. He is ~300lbs, and would probably be a DT in an NFL 4-3 if he played in one.
Gibson and Gholston are OLBs in a 3-4, and DEs in a 4-3.
At OSU, Gibson/Gholston played the “Leo”, which is the DE that is occasionally dropping in to zone, and the one that stands up when OSU goes to their half Double Eagle half Under front (their “3-4”).
Gholston and Gibson are faster, smaller and less physical. They were probably playing at wider techniques (usually 6-8), with Heyward doing his damage from the 3-5 range. Really the only similarities are they played for OSU and are both listed at “DE”, which really doesn’t do a good job of explaining what they do.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ugh I totally read Heyward and thought Thaddius Gibson.
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One played the ‘LEO’ and another played strongside 5/ 3 tech. Completely different responsibilities and body builds, completely different players. The difference is like comparing a wide receiver to a tight end on mere statistical production. Without the proper context, it is an idiotic notion.
(snickers at the person missing the joke)
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn’t very subtle (I hope)
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I got it.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 28, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok heres a couple guys I’d like the Browns to look at.
1. Eric Berry S Tennessee
2. Tim Tebow QB Florida
3. Andre Roberts WR The Citadel
3. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB/S Indiana University of Pennsylvania
3. Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forrest
4. Mike Neal DT Purdue
5. Darryl Sharpton ILB Miami
5. CJ Wilson DE East Carolina
5. Dace Richardson OG Iowa
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jaws and i have almost the same list
but I would really like us to pick up jacoby ford…he is the biggest burner in college football….go youtube him!
That’s 2 picks too high for Tebow, I wouldn’t take him before our second 3rd round pick.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll be gone in the first half of the second I think. Too many teams need to sell tickets and I think his weaknesses have been oversold. This article sold me on Tebow.
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or maybe its his “high character” “winning” and “class” that have been oversold.
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You could say that for a guy who just doesn’t have the physical tools. Say Myron Rolle is just too slow and not great in coverage. If he gets drafted early it is because character has been oversold. Tebow by all accounts has all the physical tools, aside from the unusual throwing motion.
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yeah. he can run a fast 40, he has good change of direction ability, and has a solid arm (strength)…
but does that mean he will be a great QB?
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no, but it shows enough to say that its a possibility
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you don’t take massive projects in the second round. there are also other big questions besides his motion, including his footwork and decision making.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
oh don’t get me wrong..I should have said this earlier, I don’t like the idea of picking him with our 2nd pick at all. I was just arguing bross’s point about “does that mean he will be a great QB”. If we would go with Tebow, its has to be in the 3rd round, atleast in my eyes.
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I agree.
The athleticism is always a bonus but I do not believe athleticism correlates to success as a QB. you can argue that it can hinder success like for Vick because he never really learned how to throw from the pocket.
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I hate that argument. Michael Vick is a unique athlete and proved he didn’t need to be a traditional QB to be successful. He had multiple playoff appearances including an NFC championship game. He carried that team, they won because of him, not in spite of him.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that is true…vick was a unique player. however, I do not believe that tebow is guaranteed to be successful staying in the pocket. he also doesn’t have the pure physical skills of a vick.
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Then why bring up the comparison in the first place? If there was a QB who didn’t succeed in the NFL despite his athleticism, why not reference him instead of the guy who did succeed because of his athleticism?
I don’t think anyone would disagree with your point—that athleticism does not make an NFL QB good unless it is freak-Vick-like-athleticism—so why not stick to that? And no one was arguing that Tebow’s athleticism would make him a great QB, simply that it was a tool he had in his favor. So why bring this up in the first place?
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yeah. because pat white is fast, he is the next peyton manning too?
speed and athleticism often doesn’t correlate to successful QB play…a lot of the time it doesn’t because guys with good athletic ability
a) rely on it too much to develop into a good NFL QB
b)because they are more of an athlete, never even developed a QB mentality in college.
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no Tebow please no no no, if Tebow comes to the Browns i might do something i said i would never do. turn my back on the Browns. the guy is a bum i dont care what anybody says. we dont need to sell tickets our stadium will always be full. by the end of next year everyone will forget his name. and you can take that to the bank
we don't need no stinking logo
by NoLogos4Life on Mar 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Turn your back to the Browns and the next thing you see will be Joe Thomas smiling, then he will pancake you.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 25, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, he won’t see joe thomas smiling, because:
1. joe thomas would not smile at a turncoat.
2. joe thomas is too fast to be seen when pancaking turncoats.
See I think he would be smiling because he would enjoy pancaking a turncoat, also I am a fan of subterfuge.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 25, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting point. lets just agree that joe thomas will pancake the shit out of anyone who turns his back on the browns.
by Dawg Nuts on Mar 25, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
3. Ghee is very overrated. Watch him in a game and you will wonder why anyone would want him.
5. We have Maiva, what does Sharpton bring that kaluka doesn’t?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just can’t mess with the Kaluka Bazooka.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 28, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Either one of these two scenarios:
1. Clausen
2. Damian Williams
3. Montario Hardesty
3. Roger Saffold
3. Major Wright
4. Chris Cook
or
1. Eric Berry
2. Jerry Hughes
3. Brandon Ghee
3. Morgan Burnett
3. Lamar Houston
4. Kyle Calloway
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 23, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t like Cook. He sounds like a turd. Rumors are he showed up out of shape at his pro day.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 23, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you really think Clausen is worth the #7 pick?
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by notthatnoise on Mar 23, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
h#ll to the no! Clausen is not worth a #7 pick! Too many character issues to be picked that early. We have had enough busts in the 1st round that I don’t see our new FO taking a “chance” on someone that doesn’t show all the parameters of not being a bust.
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there aren’t really parameters for not being a bust. any seemingly “surefire” pick can bust, just like anyone who isn’t expected to do much can excel. we can only hope the staff does their homework, makes a solid draftboard, and stays level headed on draft day so as to not do anything foolish (ala Paul Hilton Davis).
even though i don’t like the idea at all, if holmgren feels claussen is our guy, then like i said before, he has my full faith and confidence. i don’t see any other way to approach it at this point.
your last paragraph is exactly how i feel. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, as long as they don’t do something outrageous like taking Tim Tebow in the second.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying. I guess my point is that I just don’t see us taking unnecessary risks on players. While the draft is, in essence, a risk as a whole. I just see us minimizing those risks moving forward. However, like notthatnoies said, I do give the FO the benefit of trust until they lose it with whatever we do.
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In my eyes it doesn’t get any more low risk than with Clausen. College production, strong arm, accurate, played in a pro system so the transition shouldn’t be hard and wants to play football.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are all great and I certainly don’t question his credentials. I guess I’m just more worried about how many analysts are saying he is chasing teams off due to off the field personality issues. But hey, if he can come in and win, I don’t care what he does so long that it doesn’t cause problems with the team.
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Brady Quinn could say all those things out of college.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, not sure how much stock I put into this, but its interesting.
Someone mentioned on espn the other day that since clausen has been playing for Charlie Weiss for his entire college career he may have hit his ceiling already. That is, he’s not going to get better coaching in college and his decision making skills may already be maxed out.
again, just an interesting idea, probably not worth much.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
*not going to get better coaching in the NFL
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by notthatnoise on Mar 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I would prefer to stay away from ND QB’s period. Either Bradford in the 1st or wait and pick one in the 3rd are my thoughts.
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I don’t think any of the QB’s in this draft are franchise QB’s. I’d say pick up someone like Pike in the 3rd, and if they don’t show us anything by the endof the year, make a runfor Locker in 2011.
count me in on the Locker Bandwagon…love the kid
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yes. If locker improves his decision making, he could truly be a great QB and worth the pick. I personally like Mallett but he doesn’t have the decision making either to survive in a holmgren-esque offense. this season will mean a lot to the QBs in next years draft. there isn’t a true clear frontrunner. Locker probably is, but you also have mallett, Pryor if he has a good season and comes out, its possible luck has a great season and decides to come out as a RS soph, Pat Devlin, etc…
Next college season will make a lot of difference.
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I don’t think Pryor can come out next year.
Unless his throwing motion suddenly looks like Peyton’s, he doesn’t get injured at all, he starts dominating through the air, and still flashes the ability to scramble for yards.
I just think scouts will want to see him a 4th year, and if he does what he is capable of both next year and the year after, he could boost his stock a lot.
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Agreed. Even with more college experience, I don’t see him becoming a quality NFL starter. The guy is one of the most overhyped and overrated QB’s in college football. He may have had a game or too last year, but so did Juice Williams.
Even with more college experience, I don’t see him becoming a quality NFL starter.
I never said this?
The guy is one of the most overhyped and overrated QB’s in college football.
Or this?
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Based on what? Pryor could not adjust to an NFL system right now if his life depended on it. His accuracy at this point is subpar, and he never made proper adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Whether he was told not to or chose not, he would not survive a quarter in the NFL at this point; he definately needs two more NCAA years.
I don’t think Pryor has earned the right to audible yet. He has made adjustments.
He did a good job of reading Oregon’s defense in the Rose Bowl, and was accurate enough to allow OSU to play a ball control passing offense that dominated the time of possession. He has elite long speed, and is a much more dangerous runner than Clark.
There are definite flaws to his game, and I think he would be best served staying for four years unless he gets a first round grade from the committee next year. But it is easy to see his project-ability.
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I don’t disagree with you, I just think the idea that he is more prepared right now than Clark is a joke. After another two years, I think he has the potential to be a very good prospect.
I believe that is why gahnki used the term “projectable”.
Pryor is also not at all eligible for the NFL right now. I believe gahnki meant that Pryor will easily be a better NFL prospect in one or two years, when he is in fact eligible.
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I agree. I don’t think Pryor will come out and he IMO is not ready yet to go to the NFL. It is possible but not probable. Right now, the list of QBs that will come out is extremely fluid. I have heard rumors that Luck could come out with a good season. Locker will come out, but who else is considered guaranteed? Mallett? Devlin? this is all just speculation at this point who will and won’t come out.
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I know it is speculation, I just see Pryor having a lot to gain by playing a 4th year and not too much to lose. Obviously, that could all change in one year.
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One thing you won’t hear next year is “lack of tools”. You will hear about lack of accuracy though. Clausen and Bradford are very accurate, but next year the QBs are Mallet, Locker, Jerrod Johnson, Luck, and Devlin. All have strong arms but not great completion %
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well. luck is a freshman, and devlin only had one full season as starter so far (but had a solid comp%)
did jimmy clausen have a great completion percentage his first 2 years? first year, bad, 2nd year, solid, last year great.
One of these QBs could break through like clausen did.
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Luck was a redshirt frosh. Eligible for pro draft next year. Get your facts right if you try to correct someone.
Clausen’s freshman completion % was 56, about the same as Locker and Mallet THIS year.
Also, Locker will be a senior (maybe even a redshirt senior) and Mallet will be a redshirt Junior. My point it that you are saying they were the same year as Clausen.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. I know he is a redshirt frosh…I had my facts right. I said he was redshirted in the comment you first commented on (I believe). Last year however was luck’s FIRST starting at QB and THAT was my point.
Did I say they had the same year as clausen? No. What I was saying is that clausen didn’t have a great year till THIS year. if locker ends up having a great season this year like clausen did last year, and improve his completion percentage several points like clausen did, there won’t be a question about accuracy.
next years draft is over a year away and you cannot say for certain that you will hear “a lack of accuracy” a lot as a criticism.
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Bross, bross, bross…sigh
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
TRSS…sigh…
you just don’t get it do you…blinded by the ND love. Clausen wasn’t a legit first rounder until this season. He had a great season but what says locker can’t do the same?
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Locker was already a legit first rounder this year. It was not because of his completion %.
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QBs that completed less than 60 percent of their passes in college almost always suck in the NFL. The only exception I can think of is Cutler.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Luck and Locker don’t exactly have Golden Tate, that TE from Cincinnati, and Floyd to throw to…but I think I would put Clausen as the most accurate of those four guys.
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Clausen didn’t for most of the year either. haha
Luck did have a great running game that made the Defense stack the box almost every down though. Just sayin.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady’s numbers weren’t as impressive, his accuracy wasn’t as great and it was well known his deep ball was pretty bad. The team was also a lot better with brasy, if Clausen had Quinn’s team they would have been pretty dominant
There is no evidence that shows Bradford being a better prospect than Clausen.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Brady’s numbers weren’t as impressive
This isn’t entirely true. Clausen’s numbers were better the year before he entered the draft, But Quinn’s stats were better the two seasons prior to that. Brady had a much more consistent career.
Brady’s accuracy was held up as one of his strong points, saying otherwise is a bit of revisionist history.
Maybe you’re forgetting, but Brady’s team with Brady was pretty dominant, and they played just as tough (if not tougher) of a schedule. The rushing offense was about the same with each of them and the defense might have been slightly worse for clausen, but Brady put up enough points to win more games even if he had had Clausen’s D. Brady Quinn was sacked more his final year than Clausen was, so don’t try to say the line was better. Golden Tate is also probably a better receiver than Jeff Samardzija and clausen had better receivers overall.
I’ll give you the deep ball thing.
other than that, as much as you may hate to admit it, in terms of college success, accuracy, pro-style offense, and the team around them, brady quinn and jimmy clausen are quite comparable.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll amend that, Clausen definitely had a worse defense.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Rushing game when Brady was there> when Clausen was there
O -line when Brady was there> when Clausen was there
Just sayin though.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Rushing game was better when brady was there.
O-Line with brady=O-Line with clausen. In BQs 3 seasons started he played about the same amount of games as clausen did his whole college career. Clausen was sacked 80 times, BQ about 78. You can try to make the case that clausen had the worse O-Line, but its pretty much even.
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Trust me, I’ve watched each of these games. Plus, Brady had Harris and Sullivan on his line.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the games with BQ too.
plus wasn’t 2007, Clausen’s first year, Sullivan’s senior year?
You know what, I watched some ND games too. I saw Quinn running for his life fairly often.
yeah. Harris and Sullivan were great. So great in fact that BQ got sacked almost as much his senior year (and he avoided sacks quite a bit too) as Clausen did his freshman year. I know people talk about how clausen got hit a lot his freshman year…what about Quinns senior year?
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I’ll take your word for it because you have obviously watched them WAY more than I have, but the statistics are not on your side.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
the rushing game with quinn was 100 yards better over the entire season:
2006- 1634 yds, 3.9 avg
2009- 1539 yds, 3.8 avg
Brady got sacked more:
2006- 31
2009- 24
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
See rufio’s signature.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
sometimes stats are right, otherwise why pay attention to them?
but, like i said, I’m going to take your word on this one.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah…like NTN sometimes stats ARE right.
Lets just disregard stats and go by what people say about players and winning…
wow, that is very objective…
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Wow, bross. You never cease to impress me.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 27, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
TRSS. you never cease to amaze me with your subjective analysis and your biased opinions.
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bross, Football analysis requires subjectivity. Sure, there are numbers out there, but those numbers mean nothing without subjective interpretation and analysis.
This isn’t Baseball, and it isn’t even Basketball numbers-wise. There is no moneyball formula. Scouting is largely subjective.
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I do believe there is much more subjectivity than in other sports and it requires subjectivity.
However, TRSS has a habit of letting his fanhood guide his subjectivity and maybe not giving the most accurate analysis b/c of it.
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Actually I think he has been very fair outside of Quinn and Clausen.
He has been crapping on Sam Young for months now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
thats true…However, he doesn’t talk about Sam Young that much. When you talk about a guy a lot, people will think of you more for it…
Since he talks about certain players and builds them up and ignores guys he is fair about (like young) it give the impression that he really doesn’t give a fair opinion.
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he really doesn’t give a fair opinion.
bross, this is my point. It is an opinion. As in a subjective, human opinion. How could it not be fair if it is an opinion?
You think he lets his fandom guide him too much and you give him reasons to dislike Clausen. He shoots those reasons down with other reasons. What’s left? Two differing opinions.
You can’t be right on this. At least not for several years.
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by rufio on Mar 29, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec x 100
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Sam Young even deserve my crap?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
However, TRSS has a habit of letting his fanhood guide his subjectivity and maybe not giving the most accurate analysis b/c of it.
How (why?) would I have bias towards one year’s O-line vs. another?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As college receivers
Floyd>Samardzija>Tate
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say Floyd>Tate>Smardzija…but It is close between tate and Smardzija.
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I’m confused as to how either of you think Floyd is the best of the three, he has the worst stats.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
was not aware of the injuries, after looking it up you’re right. Having not watched him myself I’ll defer to the people that know better.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch out for him next year.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no evidence that shows Bradford being a better prospect than Clausen.
as far as this goes, bradford has as strong of an arm, had much more college success without the type of receivers clausen had, and was more accurate. he also has zero character concerns. His only knock is injury concerns, which i personally believe aren’t that big of a concern right now.
Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t that far apart, but there is definitely reason to believe bradford is a better prospect.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradford played in a spread offense, get injured every couple of months, may not have character concerns but doesn’t have an outspoken, leadhership demeanor, his accuracy isn’t that much better than Clausen, if at all, and I DEFINITELY wouldn’t say he has a stronger arm. The transition for Clausen will be much easier than Bradford, he looks lost and confused when he’s up against top competition. The only clear advantage I’d give Bradford is that he’s taller and more athletic
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
eli manning doesn’t have an outspoken, leadership demeanor either, and he has a super bowl ring; dan marino had an outspoken, leadership demeanor and he doesn’t have a super bowl ring. i think this is overrated.
also, with all that being said, we’ve never been in any of their huddles, so how would any of us really know any of this anyway.
Jimmy clausen doesn’t have an “outspoken, leadership demeanor.” until last season jimmy clausen wasn’t even close to as accurate as bradford. Clausen has had one good season, bradford has had two. i never said he had a stronger arm, i said they were comparable. why do you think clausen will have an easier transition? because he played in a pro-style offense? bradford took plenty of snaps from under center and from my admittedly novice perspective seems to make all the reads he’s asked to extremely well.
please, please show me where bradford looks lost and confused against top competition.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen has had one good season, bradford has had two
Maybe that’s because Bradford was there for 4 years, and any QB looks good in OKs offense.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How about NDs offense under weis? BQ definitely looked good under it…
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Your sample size is smaller, and Demeteious Jones and Evan Sharpley looked bad in this system.
Look at the last few sooner qbs
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think sharpley, when he got playing time, looked worse than Clausen (in the same year).
Lets look at sooner QBs. Paul Thompson was decent, but he had a very good O-Line, some good receivers and Adrian Peterson…Adrian peterson takes so much of the pressure, he makes a lot of QBs look good.
Rhett Bomar: very good supporting cast, very bad QB.
Jason White: Amazing supporting cast, put up great stats
Nate Hybl: Good but not great QB with a good but not great supporting Cast…
I did look at the last few sooner QBs…
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and bradfords backup didn’t look nearly as good as bradford when he played this season.
Of course the backups didn’t play as well as the starter.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones and Sharpley were starters at one time.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Jones start for only one game?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well i hate to bring facts into your argument but Bradford played 3 years and was injured for almost that entire 3rd season, so in the two years he actually played he played great.
Jimmy Clausen started for three seasons, so he actually got to play more than bradford.
Sam bradford: http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934
Jimmy Clausen:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=231813
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I was saying how many years they were in college.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so that extra year there where he didn’t start any games gave him such a huge advantage over Clausen? they both started 3 years. Bradford only really played 2 of those years. Bradfords 2 seasons were both outstanding. out of his 3 years clausen has one year thats even in the same zip code.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 27, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
One has nothing to do with the other, though
-golanbatrac
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reccomended for proper citation.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 25, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
believe me I’d be the last person to claim they did. As I’ve been over with you plenty of times, I think Clausen has a great chance to be a good NFL QB. but you have to take into account the comment I was replying to.
In my eyes it doesn’t get any more low risk than with Clausen. College production, strong arm, accurate, played in a pro system so the transition shouldn’t be hard and wants to play football.My point was that plenty of quarterbacks can say all of those same things and end up flaming out, so it most certainly does get more “low-risk” than that.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 26, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Cocky, likes to draw attention to himself, played at a bigtime college program with good production…sound like any QBs who have busted?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Maybe?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Over my head. Did he write something about Leinart?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It is worth a watch. Lost all respect for Buzz Bissinger.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The irony of him going off on Leitch for the “profane content on blogs” is tremendous when he is cussing up a storm on television. I was hoping Leitch would ask him if he lets his 16 year old son watch HBO when Papa is swearing like a sailor.
He was inventing curse words.
Plus, “he is one of the greatest writers ever living, until he recently died”.
Way to show that professional writers should be the only ones allowed to write about sports there Buzz.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 26, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cmon, ANYONE could have done good at USC with Leinart’s supporting cast. Jarret, Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, several great OL, etc
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
wow…TRSS.
this was obviously a joke on Leinarts part and you are going around just talking crap randomly about USC? Common, lighten up at some point in your life.
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I think he was complimenting USC’s program and dissing Leinart if anything.
Also probably more defending his boy Clausen by comparing the USC supporting cast to ND’s around Clausen (Clausen succeeding despite the supporting cast, Leinart because of it).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Exactly. Just because someone is had good production in a pro-style offense doesn’t mean he is going to be a great NFL player.
If Clausen becomes a great NFL player, it will be because he is accurate, smart, can make the throws he needs to, he keeps his limo-driving spotlight-wanting side in check enough to concentrate on football, and he is given a chance to grow, not because he put up good numbers at ND.
And I would say it gets more low risk than Clausen.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think you could.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
played at a bigtime college program with good production
And how the hell is this bad?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn’t bad. It just doesn’t mean a guy is a lock to be a great NFL QB. Or maybe any more likely, even.
Brees was at Purdue, hardly an elite program. Farvre was at Southern Miss. Warner was at the grocery store after Northern Illinois. Rivers was at NC State….
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Check out my fanshot. It analyzes the “character concerns”. I really would appreciate you reading the link.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
clausen isn’t a 1st or 2nd round pick, we need too many other things and he is gonna be a bust anyway. I much prefer your second scenario with a couple young CB’s in it
I literally LOL’ed at this.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
BQIB
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by notthatnoise on Mar 25, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You called…?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You rang? would have been funnier imo, but maybe it’s because I’m old school (for a younger guy).
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 28, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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