SB Nation Mock Draft: Dawgs By Nature Selects S Eric Berry at No. 7
The annual SB Nation Writers Mock Draft is going on over at Mocking the Draft, and I have to say that I am pleased with who was available when the Cleveland Browns were on the clock. These were the picks that were made prior to the Browns being on the clock...
(In parenthesis is the average voting rank given on Mocking the Draft -- 1 = F; 2 = D; 3 = C; 4 = B; 5 = A)
- St. Louis: QB Sam Bradford (4.13)
- Detroit: DT Ndamukong Suh (4.71)
- Tampa Bay: DT Gerald McCoy (4.72)
- Washington: OT Russell Okung (4.59)
- Kansas City: MLB Rolando McClain (3.49)
- Seattle: S Taylor Mays (2.11)
After seeing Mays selected, you can imagine how quickly I rushed to the phone (figuratively speaking) to get my pick in...
With the seventh overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Cleveland Browns have selected Eric Berry, safety, Tennessee.
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Why the selection?
When looking at all of the units on the team's roster, the secondary is the one that needed to be addressed the most. It represents one of the few positions that Mike Holmgren has not pursued through free agency, and Rob Ryan will almost certainly be looking to fill two starting spots - one at cornerback and one at safety. As the best-rated safety on the board, Eric Berry has been a clear favorite amongst Browns fans, and would be considered a welcome addition to fill the void left by former starter Brodney Pool, who wasn't re-signed by the team given his history of concussions.
Some question whether the Browns will take a quarterback, but I grabbed who Mocking Dan bills as the second best defensive player in the draft, only behind Suh.
You may discuss the pick here, or at Mocking the Draft. Either way, be sure to visit Mocking the Draft to read my full reasoning in choosing Berry; you can vote to grade the pick their as well. As of this post, my pick of Berry was rated a 4.74 (the highest satisfaction rate up to this point). Several other picks are already in after mine, so check them out at Mocking the Draft as well.
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Unless you were, for some incomprehensible reason, enamored with Clausen, this pick is the obvious choice. I would be ecstatic if this went down.
2009: Two backups and no true QB. 2010: Umm... crap.
Agree with you 100%
In this dream scenario – the only other option would be Claussen. Personally, I havE Bradford so much higher than Claussen – but Kiper has him very high and ahead of Sam.
by realmccoy on Mar 27, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The blogger from Seattle had a suprisingly logical explanation for taking May at 5. Draft should be interesting.
yeah. college coaches who get the power over the draft that carroll has, often overdraft players from their team or players they know.
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I hope for Seattle that Pete Carroll does not turn into the second coming of Butch Davis.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You a Seahaks fan? He can Butch things up all he wants, imo.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
…or the second coming of Pete Carroll.
by Chief WaDrew on Mar 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point. Forgot about his tenure in New England.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
not only did our pick have the highest satisfaction rate, but if you translate the letter grades to percentage grades (95, 85, etc…) we clearly have the highest grade a 93…granted, the highest you could get the way i was calculating it was a 9 so that was good.
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WHAAAAA?
Those guys on the Seahawks site are Pac-10 homers. Nuf said.
But if Carroll takes his guy at that spot. Things could get interesting.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
they aren’t PAC-10 Homers. go over to MTD and see what the guy said. He is not picking how they WANT the seahawks to pick, more what they THINK the seahawks will pick.
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Then I’m pretty sure it’s a mixture of what I said.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. maybe. I am surprised too but i dunno if it is them being PAC 10 homers.
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Being a Pac-10 homer myself, I have a feeling of what’s going on.
If we got Mays at 7, I would say "hell yeah" and not complain. I like Mays a lot. He may be better than Berry in the NFL.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think mays will be better in the NFL. He has the POTENTIAL, but he has been terrible in coverage.
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Well, those are our opinions.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
these really aren’t opinions. an opinion is something that is subjective and can’t be really proven. look at game tape of Mays last year, ANY game tape, and it will show you his instincts in coverage…
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You can see in to the future? STFU bross.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried being nice, but I’m done with that kid.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
god…you just don’t like being wrong.
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/irony>
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by rufio on Mar 28, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t see how you got me seeing into the future.
I am seeing into the past. the past is his game tape. even though he has ridiculous speed he got burned…
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My thoughts on Mays are my opinions. You’re telling me that he’ll suck in the pros because you watched a few plays where he got burned. .
STFU bross.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
geez…
fine, you got your opinions on mays, which I don’t know how you came to them
I have my opinions on mays, based significant tape I have watched on him.
I was actually rooting for the browns to draft mays back in october. I knew the browns were gonna be bad and I though if he could show good coverage skills, he could be the next Sean Taylor. However, I saw him get burned too many times…
STFU BY…no need to start attacking me just because we disagree on one player…
If you love this guy so much, then do you think the browns should draft him?
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Should we draft Mays? In the first.. Hell no. He’s not worth it. But I wouldn’t be upset. I think he’ll have a good pro career. You can’t sit there and say he’s not worth any pick. He’s by far in the top 5 DBs of the draft.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. He probably is one of the top 5 DBs in the draft
(I personally rank them Berry, Haden, Thomas, Wilson, Mays…so yeah)
I do think that Mays could very well have a pro Career. However, I am not certain of the type of role Mays would play to a team. He still needs work to be a coverage safety. He could be a roy williams type and almost be a 4th LB in the box. Some teams may actually switch him to LB where he is decent for the position in coverage and has great speed.
Honestly, I think this is where he would be the best. If he can add 10-20 pounds and still have 4.4 speed (at least under 4.5) he could become a ridiculous Linebacker in a 4-3. He is a solid tackler though still could use a little work in that area. the thing that brings his stock down is his coverage skills. As a LB, he would not have to cover receivers as much but would be covering RBs and TEs. while you still need to know how to cover, his deficiencies could be hidden better. A team that is willing to be patient and make the switch I think could land themselves a pro bowl linebacker.
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I would put him in the top 5 personally, but I wouldn’t say he is by far in there. I can definitely make a case for guys i consider 6, 7, or 8.
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My defensive back top ten:
1. Eric Berry
2. Earl Thomas
3. Joe Haden
4. Kyle Wilson
5. Nate Allen
6. Kareem Jackson
7. Patrick Robinson
8. Taylor Mays
9. Devin McCourty
10. Major Wright
In all honesty, I think Willson is the best back. He would be a second round steal.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
granted
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I pretty much agree with your list. However, i would probably put Taylor mays as a prospect at #5 and move everyone else down.
As a pure prospect I rank him 5, but if we are talking about as a true D-Back, I do agree with your ranking. I would honestly (if I ran a 4-3) get him in the weight room and bulk up some. If he can add some bulk I would move him to SLB.
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I love Kareem Jackson. The more I watch him, the more I like.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you understand how this comment is in direct conflict with “He’s by far in the top 5 DBs of the draft.”?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ve seen him play more than you have.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
A baseless assumption. I could be Pete Carroll for all you know.
by gahnki on Mar 27, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As far as I know, the only USC game you watched this year was when they whooped on OSU.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, that fourth quarter scraper was a real blowout.
Anyway, I’ve seen Mays play plenty of times in his career. He’s Roy Williams, part II. Barring PC drafting him out of loyalty, he will not be in the top five defensive backs selected. I’m sig bet confident on this one.
I’d add a crazy Al clause to that, just in case the Raiders decide to blow another draft.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 27, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe he will get drafted top 5 just by his physical skills. He will go IMO no higher than 5th though.
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Thanks bross. That’s what I meant by top 5.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
USC handled them. Don’t play it off.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Just messin’ with the Buckeye boys. hehe
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is hilarious. I think this should be gahnki’s signature.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, he’s got you on this one. Mays is poor in coverage.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 27, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
berry would be nice…but Cleveland needs to jump on mcnabb and i bet they could get him with just swaping first rounders with the eagles and possibly a 3rd rounder. and they draft the best corner available @ that pick. I know a lot of ppl are down on mcnabb but with the browns ability to run the ball he would be perfect for them. he’s still got a cannon and throws maybe the best deep ball in the league.
yeah. lets give up significant leverage in this draft, one of the deepest in a long time, just so we can get another veteran QB? that is not how you rebuild a team.
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I wouldn’t even consider the trade unless it was while we were on the clock, and I imagine McNabb would be dealt by then. If he’s still with Philly and no one attractive is available at No. 7 anymore, perhaps I’d at least keep an ear open.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 27, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look at it this way:
Assume Berry, Suh and Bradford are gone.
Would you do Brandon Graham and Donovan McNabb for Joe Haden?
I do 1000 times over.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Easily, but do you think they’d give us that trade? I think they’d want our 2nd rounder too.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I was commenting on the trade offer above.
As for if they would do it or not, the trade market seems to have dried up on the Eagles as they really overplayed their hand. If there is a player that the Eagles really liked in the top 7 (Derek Morgan maybe?) then I think they could possibly do it. Something is better than nothing kinda thing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s very unlikely we get McNabb. His price is too high for me. I’d rather spend that pick on someone who can contribute for 10 years.
He’ll probably go to the Raiders (or Minnesota if Favre retires). He could easily add 4-5 wins for Oakland and stir up the AFC West.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Favre will never retire. Didn’t you watch the SB commercial? He’ll be MVP in 2015.
by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 28, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah shit. Rules are gunna change for QBs with walkers. No contact what so ever.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think McNabb is worth it because of the picks involved vs. his years left as a good-great QB in the league. If he was younger, I’d probably do this if Berry was off the board.
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not bad thought - but
That ship sailed when we gave Delhomme 7 million reasons to come to Cleveland. Holmgren decided that we could not be competitive in the time McNab has left as elite QB. He wants Delhomme (and I have no idea why) and a young one.
by realmccoy on Mar 27, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why would we bother going for McNabb when his contract would be up after a year, and he wouldn’t re-sign with us. We would lose too much and in return get a talented quarterback with not enough talent surrounding him. Stupid move.
he’s not just veteran qb he is an all pro with plenty left to prove and i’m saying if berry is not there at 7 then swap the picks because no one else is worth the money that high to me. Mcnabb actually demands respect for the defense and delhomme can be the back up plan if something were to happen.
Hasnt Holmgren already said “That ship has sailed” in reference to trading for McNabb? If I find the article again I will post the link.
I dunno how much he can prove on a bad team. he may only have 2 good seasons left. with this team, I don’t think he will have the opportunity to “prove himself” like you are saying. there just won’t be a great supporting cast around him.
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From what I have seen and heard from the Seahawk people, they were trying to predict who pete carroll would take.
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You aren’t predicting what your team will take because that is dependent on the picks ahead of you. And since, presumably, the SBN sites are not run by front office executives, the picks ahead of you are likely not based on their actual big board.
If you are running a Mock Draft from the point of view of your SBN site, you should be picking based upon the viewpoints of the site. Just a hunch, but I doubt that the Seattle fans want Taylor Mays at 6.
If you are running a Mock Draft from the point of view of your SBN site, you should be picking based upon the viewpoints of the site.
I tried to use our Big Board from last year as a gauge during last year’s SBN mock draft.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 27, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt the seattle fans want Mays too. However, if you look at the explanation made, it is very plausible. He even says he wouldn’t take mays however, he thinks in that situation Carroll would. Yes, he isn’t the front office. However, i would say the people at SBN sites usually have a good idea of what the team MIGHT pick, especially better then people like us at a different site and don’t follow said team.
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Even without Mays
They could have selected Claussen. Hasselback bout done.
by realmccoy on Mar 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they just invested 8 million over the next 2 years into a Quarterback. this guy has at least been on an NFL roster before and although he has minimal game experience, he has been in the league and learned what it takes for 3 years.
Now he doesn’t have the talent of a philip rivers but look at what rivers was able to do after sitting. Look at Schaub. Whitehurst was drafted I believe in the same round (but not same year) in the draft. Hasselbeck is about done, but He might have a year or so left being a good backup who can start in a pinch.
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8mil over 2 years is cheap for a QB. Disregarding Whitehurst, when GB was in a similar situation, they were able to let Aaron Rogers sit on the bench for several years and that worked out pretty well.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
If you check out Chris Steuber’s mock draft over at the OBR, he has us getting Eric Berry at 7 and Sergio Kindle in the 2nd round. This would be amazing.
more surprised
If Kindle is available in 2nd than Berry in first. I really think that with up to 3 teams needing QBs – both Claussen and Bradford will go in top 6,
by realmccoy on Mar 27, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not completely sold on Kindle though. He reminds me a lot of Kamerion Wimbley. they both have elite physical skills but but rely too much on speed rushing. Neither are good at the POA. In the 2nd, Kindle could be a decent get in the 2nd, but I like Jerry Hughes just about as much.
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He is much stronger than Kam. I think Orakpo’s success with the Redskins – and Kindle flashing that same ability will keep him in the first.
Watch the NC game again.
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Wow
Taylor Mays sixth? Nice pick on Berry, though.
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maybe if Bradford or Suh is still on the board.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 27, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are, somebody must have picked Berry probably. Though I guess anything could happen.
"Smokescreen."
yeah, just trying to think of a scenario where its possible. if Suh or Bradford are still available at our pick someone else screwed up.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If Berry not there – I fully expect the Browns to trade down. Then move from the 2nd round to back of 1st to get Tebow. I look for Browns to end up with 2 Florida kids. Haden in the mid first and Tebow in late first.
if they pick tim tebow in the first round i will egg mike holmgren’s house.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll buy the eggs and help you. I get a bad feel about Tebow. If you gat a little arrogant thinking – feeling you can change up some mechanics no problem – he does have some nice intangibles and athleticism.
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget to cover his car in brake fluid.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news, real life Joey Porter has been arrested for being football Joey Porter.
by gahnki on Mar 27, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A Steeler for life, apparently.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 27, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I have read, he is lucky he didn’t get shot.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
DUIs are a bitch.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you Take Tebow round 2 in this mock, you are an idiot. Seriously.
Fixed.
by emily522 on Mar 27, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
As much as I’m against it, I wouldn’t put it passed Holmgren.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
lol My gut feeling is that we take McCoy in the second.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 27, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, we’ll trade back into the bottom of the second to grab Tebow. Havn’t you heard? He has a new thowing motion! He’ll continue to get better! OMG, he’s the second coming of Christ!

by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 28, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop foolin’. That’s not funny. haha
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a great kid and the winningnest QB in NCAA history. I don’t worry about accuracy and leadership – but I do have a few concerns on arm strength. I have seen every one of his snaps – and am still concerned about it.
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh…hes is a WINNER…and He is a good guy…a slam dunk right there…
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slow your roll
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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Quick trigger, i don’t think that was the point he was trying to make.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I think arm strength gets overrated a little. Its important to be sure, but overrated.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
More importantly, does he need to wind up that windmill delivery to have the ball come out as fast as it does/should? The accuracy is the more questionable of the two characteristics for him.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m not sure who you’re referring to. I think we were talking about McCoy, and my understanding is his accuracy is great.
With the wind up thing, I think you’re referring to Tebow. and I agree its a bit of a question mark whether his arm strength is due to that wind up or not.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like McCoy, but I’d rather have Tebow. They both have good intangibles and great college production. McCoy is a little bit small and has arm strength questions while Tebow is big and has a strong arm.
"Smokescreen."
but colt McCoy is one of the most accurate QBs in NCAA history, won’t have to be taught how to throw a football, and while he played in a spread, it demanded much more passing ability than was ever asked of Tebow.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
09 the gators had an offensive lineman coach as a O coordinator (sp) calling plays. Pissed me off all season. the only game they let Tebow wing-it was against Cincy in the sugar bowl. they WAY under-utilized Tebows arm skills. also, think of the db’s tebow was throwing against at practice, that would take a little confidence away from any qb.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
statistically, Tebow is the best passer in SEC history. His completion percentage is nearly as good as McCoys and he throws probably the best deep ball in the entire draft. Of the last 5 #1 overall picks that were SEC quarterbacks, not only did Tebow have easily the best YPA, but also the best touchdowns/attempts and lowest INT/attempts. He didn’t just put up gaudy numbers, but fantastically efficient ones. Tebow can chuck it. Oh and by the way in his spare time he set the SEC record for rushing touchdowns.
The windmill windup concern is totally overblown. Go back and watch this replay Brett Favre has a long windup and nobody thinks it makes him a shitty quarterback.
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on Mar 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Replace Tebow with Alex Smith and SEC with Mountain West and it would still be correct…except for the rushing touchdowns…at least alex smith had better footwork and a better throwing motion.
Do you see the common variable?
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replace the sec for who? are you sure about that? How many national championships has the…..anyone brought home lately? thats right. think before you post
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. we all know that wins are a measure of how good a QB is…that is why Leinart is an all pro…
The fact of the matter is, Tebow was on some great teams. If you put alex smith on those teams, they might have actually done better…
What has alex smith done coming out of the same offense?
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smith finally is healthy and had a couple of good games at the end of the season
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure you’ve figured out I’m not a huge fan of you, but seriously, this guy is a moron. Stop giving him any sort of reason to reply to you.
One picture is worth 128K words.
I should rephrase this. It’s not that I don’t like you per se. It’s more I don’t like you taking conversations way too far and always having to have the last word.
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Look at the common denominator between Tebow and Alex Smith…Urban Meyer and his offense…except tebow had much better pieces around him. Smiths stats when he played (discounting rushing but he was still mobile) were very similar to tebows. Smith has struggled most of his career coming out of Urban Meyer’s offense…After smith, I am not sure how much we can trust tebow’s stats.
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Oh right, I forgot Smith was an Urban Meyer project. I don’t like Tebow anyway, but thanks for the explanation.
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yeah. I don’t hate tebow. i just realize you have to take his stats with a grain of salt. Meyer’s offense definitely benefits QBs stats…its no coincidence chris leak finally reached his potential in his one year in Meyer’s offense…
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You can say the same for almost any spread offense. Unfortunately, this means the same for Colt McCoy, who I’m a huge fan of. I just don’t think you can look past his accuracy. No matter the offensive system, no QB has come out of college with that sort of accuracy.
One picture is worth 128K words.
right. You can’t really hold up his yardage and touchdown numbers as outstanding because the offense he was in threw so much. and while that’s true for the accuracy as well to some degree, 76% is 76%
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
first of all, his completion percentages and YPA are skewed because of the type of offense. they ran the ball most of the time at Florida so when they were passing they were looking to go down field and they were catching the defense off guard. At texas, they threw a lot of short and intermediate routes and the defense was always looking for the pass because of the offense they run. Colt McCoy managed to put up a completion percentage over 70% the last two years, with his junior year being 76%. Tim Tebow’s best year is 67%, almost ten percent lower than McCoy’s best year.
secondly, I honestly don’t know the answers to these questions but…
1. Who were the last five quarterbacks from the SEC to go number 1 overall?
2. What type of offense did they play in college?
3. What type of receivers did they have?
I’ve already pointed out in other threads why Tebow will not be nearly the same type of rusher he was in college. He won’t be fast enough to run around linebackers or strong enough to run through them like he did in college.
Pointing out one replay hardly means anything about Brett Favre. He’s throwing the ball a long distance, hence a bigger wind up. He’s also lost some arm strength over the years. he also doesn’t throw a slant route with a wind up like that. Tebow does.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this is so true…this is the point I tried to make with Tebow. Urban Meyer’s offense makes QBs look much better. look at Josh Harris. He had a couple good years at BGSU under meyer and then went on to the pros. he did nothing there. If it wasn’t for Meyer, I doubt he would even play in the CFL (or AFL)
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Favre winds up occasionally. He also throws a million different ways occasionally. He also knows when do wind up/throw underhand and when not to.
Tebow doesn’t have anywhere close to the kind of moxie Favre has in terms of different throws, playfakes, etc. In fact, no one in the history of the world has. And not only has it been one of Favre’s biggest strengths, it’s been one of his biggest weaknesses too.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
right, favre is all over the place, its part of why people liked him so much. Tebow winds up all the time.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The windmill windup concern is totally overblown. Go back and watch this replay Brett Favre has a long windup and nobody thinks it makes him a shitty quarterback.
You leave out the part that Brett Favre has one of the strongest arms in NFL history.
Tebow doesn’t. Better the arm, the longer the wind-up can be.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he throws probably the best deep ball in the entire draft.
!?!??
This post is full of fallacy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I didn’t even want to touch that one.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Tebow’s career was a smokescreen.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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it was hiding his real intent of becoming a firefighter. no one will see it coming!
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know where this idea that Tebow has awesome arm strength comes from but it’s straight up false. The guy has a windup reminiscent of a pitcher from a 1940’s bugs bunny cartoon. That’s not NFL arm strength.
2009: Two backups and no true QB. 2010: Umm... crap.
by danvail on Mar 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tebow out-bechpresses linemen; the coaches had to make him quit challenging them. you don’t have a clue as to his strenght
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird that Peyton Manning can throw a football farther than Casey Hampton, no?
2009: Two backups and no true QB. 2010: Umm... crap.
bench presses sure do matter with how far and hard you can throw a QB. look at Quinn…he is ripped…
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quinn is a poser gym-rat megamilk drinking feg. he isn’t enough of a man to push it through the goal-line. he is a prettyboy pretender.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so because quinn is a poser, but still is strong, he is the exception?
The point being made is that bench pressing has little effect on arm strength.
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quinn did 24. the line were doing 40
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am really weak lifting weights but can throw a baseball very hard. Arm strength can be enhanced by weight lifting, but it is only a minor factor.
what % of your life have you been a pitcher? Why was Roger Clemens taking steroids?
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemens was taking steroids to help his recovery time in between starts and maintain his health and strength through old age which is rare for a pitcher. He could throw 99mph long before he started taking steroids.
how do you know how long he was taking steroids? was you his doctor?
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
steroids do much more than make you stronger. honestly it doesn’t help a pitcher much. it can maybe help him gain a little zip. it is much more useful to give hitters power. However, another thing steroids are good at doing is preventing injuries and minimizing recovery time. this is why guys like clemens and bonds, when their bodies should have been breaking down, were perfectly healthy and never nicked up.
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that is the biggest bunch of crap i have heard. Bonds? preventing injury? get real.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. one of the main USES of anabolic steroids IS preventing and speeding up injury recovery. Notice how after the whole thing about steroids came out, bonds had a slew on injuries?
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how many ex-athletes go around high schools telling kids how they regret taking roids? Plenty.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
a) Does that mean that Steroids don’t help because they regret it? No…to think otherwise would be ignorant
b) how many are just sorry they got caught and put out in the open? There are definitely some like that.
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are you a fool? Steroids ruin people
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…they ruin the bodies of people using them…however, when being used, the people using them do not usually get the nasty side effects.
I don’t get your point…yes they ruin people, but does that mean they aren’t taken to help performance?
what is your point????
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steroids topic is off my original point of why the gators didn’t throw the ball last year
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you used both quinn and russell to prove both sides of an arguement on strenght
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That isn’t relevant to that comment, but yes I did.
Quinn put up great bench press numbers. He doesn’t have a strong arm and doesn’t have much zip on the ball. He put up more BP reps than Cutler did when drafted…Cutler has a much stronger arm…this was to point out that bench press reps has minimal effect on arm strength.
With Russell, I was pointing out that throwing 60 yards downfield from your Knees doesn’t make you a good QB.
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Look at Tim Lincecum. It’s all about technique.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Technique, musculoskeletal leverage and the ability to apply a lot of force over a very small period of time in a particular way.
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he’s a freak at 5’11’’ 170.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
the pec inserts to the humerous thus is the primary mover in forward motion of an arm from the sholder
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
your pecs help you push things (bench press) while its a combination of your shoulder and upper back strength that helps you throw harder.
that said, your throwing motion has a bigger impact on your ability to throw hard than how physically strong your muscles are.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
look at your arm while throwing a football near your ear. Now look at your arm in a bench press motion
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Looks like a fried egg to me.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My brain doesn’t lookj like that.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever heard of an “over the top” release? You know, the desirable throwing motion?
Have you ever heard of an “over the top” bench press?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You’re my hero. I’m really trying to do an over-the-top bench press, but i think that that Hawaiian guy has that secret hidden away.
by Legoman0721 on Mar 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The real irony being that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about with respect to anatomy and physiology.
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like i just explained to notthat. flick a football from your ear, put your other hand on thowing side pec. now do the same doing a bench press. next i’ll have to wiki kinesiology for you.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What is your point? Are you trying to say that because the pectorals are involved in the throwing motion, the bench press rep exercise strictly correlates to NFL arm strength? That’s stupid, and you know it.
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your pec has EVERYthing to do with throwing
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
David Wells’ giant bitchtits say otherwise.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 28, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i laughed loudly at this.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
whos the guy that said i"clearly have no idea" about anything anatomy/phys
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
you could scroll up, its right there.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I found this humerous
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you think that bench press measures passing arm strength then I have a link here for you.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There is a you tube video that supposedly shows him throwing over 60 yds on his knees. I have not seen it, but have always heard he has a cannon despite very very poor mechanics
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mechanics can be overcome with repetition. he has the drive, focus, and ability to succeed
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
well then…lets draft Tebow…we all know that throwing 60 yards on your knees makes you an all pro QB…Isn’t that right Jamarcus?
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Zoom…Joke way over your head.
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you used both quinn and russell to prove two sides of the strenght issue
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I used them to disprove 2 different falsehoods.
Look at the above statement I just made to your comment. BP reps didn’t give BQ a strong arm. Throwing 60 yards form your knees didn’t make Jamarcus a good QB.
you really missed the jamarcus russell zing…
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what did I miss? you missed my first post, then read every-other post after that and lost continuity.
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I read your first one. it claims since he can bench press a lot, he has a superstrong arm. that just isn’t true…
What you missed is the joke about jamarcus russell and the jab at him…you go on to comment about how he throws too hard (which may or may not be true)
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don’t feed the troll
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what this comment means
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
lol…I have a hard time recognizing trolls at times.
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Kosar didn’t have a strong arm- let’s say average- and he was simply awesome. But he did have a very fast release, a capacity he shared with (one of ?) the greatest QBs to have played the game, Marino.
I’ll take the hair-trigger release over javelin throwing every sunday ta very much.
Go Seneca!
That’s Tebow out then. Would be like carrying a muzzle loader into Stalingrad. Albeit one with a walnut stock and delivering a load like a blunderbus.
Go Seneca!
i like this analogy
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what a 19th century weapon used by the british cavelry in close quarter combat
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take Kosar’s one great strength as a quarterback other than height. (his arm strength and release were pretty average)
He was a great decision maker. He could read the defense in a split second and know when and where to deliver the ball more quickly than virtually any of his peers. He used this strength to mask his terrible athleticism.
"Smokescreen."
what an 19th century weapon used by the cavelry in close quarter combat?
by dawggonehawaiian on Mar 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
okay this is the way it played out in the mock over at Revenge of the Birds!
1. St. Louis – Sam Bradford, QB
2. Detroit – Russell Okung, OT
3. Tampa Bay – Ndamukong Suh, DT
4. Washington – Bryan Bulaga, OT
5. Kansas City – Eric Berry, S
6. Seattle – Gerald McCoy, DT
so, i chose Clausen and yes i know the desperate need for secondary help but i think if it plays out the same in real life i can see this pick. thoughts?
this was my reasoning!
With the 7th pick of the Revenge of the Birds community mock draft, the Cleveland Browns select…
Jimmy Clausen/ Quarterback/ Notre Dame
GM: az78true
Strengths: 6’2’’ 217 lbs. and has a strong arm that allows him to make most of the throws necessary to be a top caliber player at the position. He has a very compact delivery motion coupled with power and accuracy to match. He possesses the ability to scan a defense and make the call of whether to audible out or proceed with confidence in his read. He is able to go through his progression quickly and identify which read is true and thus resulting in a positive play. Good pocket awareness and has mobility if the play breaks down and is forced outside the pocket. He maintains his composure in crucial game time moments giving him a good command of the flow of the game whether it’s the 1st quarter or under a minute in the game.
Weaknesses: His footwork can at times lead to him throwing the errant pass. At times his competitive nature gives way to mental mistakes when confronted with situations of adversity. Clausen has a tendency to look to the edges of the field and almost entirely disregard the underneath middle of the field as if he’s afraid to make a mistake. This limits his opportunities at times for big plays. There are moments, as with any prospect at the position, when the pocket collapses around him he will force a throw into traffic.
Why the Browns will take him: With Berry off the board, the Browns take a small leap that Clausen will benefit them more so than Haden in the long term. The offseason moves by the front office suggests they are looking for a quarterback to develop over the next two years. Given the fact Holmgren, the president of football operations, is a west coast offense man and Clausen has been tutored in the same offense it makes sense. Even with the glaring need for help in the defensive backfield the Browns take their shot at a quality prospect to develop for the long term health of the organization. If there was the opportunity to trade down I believe the Browns would do so. All in all this is a good move in the understanding there is help for the secondary in the rounds to come.
With Berry gone – and if you are not sold on Hayden – I think you took the best option. I would have prolly gone for the cb – but the rumblings bout speed could be dropping him.
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is possible. That is pretty much my nightmare scenario. Trade back at all costs, Clausen if you can’t.
The desperate need for secondary help can be shored up later, I think you went with the best value available.
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what? you must not read books! this is nothing compared to a page in a novel! try! c'mon challenge yourself! read!
Subject line fail.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m on board with this. he failed twice on formatting, never mind content.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 28, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, that´s something. So according to you, might we say, that to trade up to number one overall to get Jimmy Clausen, we have to pass on Eric Berry at number 7?
You know, it’s okay to be obsessed with drafting Clausen, but why trade up to #1? Odds are he’s available at 7 and even if he isn’t he’s not going before 4.
2009: Two backups and no true QB. 2010: Umm... crap.
Delhome, how ever the hell you spell it, will do good. He’s better than DA and BQ combined.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 28, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
….which even if true, really isn’t saying much.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that one – with Seattle and Wash both needing QBs – I would say it is prolly 50-50 that Claussen would be there. Kiper has him rated 5 overall – if that is true – he definitely would not be there. However, I know Mel is just a talking head and may be off base.
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It´s not an obsession. Of the blue chippers he´s the no doubt pick, his escapades can not distract from that. Berry and Suh were fluffered up with all kinds of awards so they can do some damage at the top, it´s pretty obvious. They may be good, possibly very good, but neither has the allure of the Allstars of yesteryear coming out.
The type of bartering the Browns exponents engage in forcing opinions and articles around the nation is sickening. I must admit it´s become tempting to wag the dog. If you like someone say it, if you want someone say it, if you deserve someone say it.
Clever only works when paired with Respect. So smart begets respect. And while Clever would like to say drop to 7, Smart says do what Respect wants, that is get him at slot 1.
by mooncamping on Mar 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
We will have to trick ourselves into winning. Thus, contrary to our obsessive cumpulsive impulse to be control freaks over our own fate by getting a quarterback we can control, we will get the biggest punk to come out since Jim McMahon, to help with our therapy.
Millions of sanities yearn for Jimmy Clausen to reverse engineer the non losing process for us.
by mooncamping on Mar 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Moon, I think I found you a new avatar.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot one thing: the pendulum of mediocronism, It’s not only the babel white crawfish of the river of sticks, it’s the clear path of the non-lost-winning medicrunum. You cannot abide the miscalcumations of the foreign powers of tomorrow. You must be strong enough in the brain meat to know that 7 is not 1 and that 1 can be 7 if strategy begets the process of outthinking the established procedures that force the losing nation.
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by danvail on Mar 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I haven’t been thinking this way for my entire life. It’s like speaking a different language, though, so I hope to get better at it by conversing with a native speaker.
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That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 1, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The flack the Seahawks rep got for picking Mays was ridiculous, as if no-one could understand his reasoning. I got it first time. ExCollege coaches persistently go back to their alma-matas for staff (hell- we all do- better the devil you know) and Mays to me looks like a very good prospect.
Only downside for me with Mays is he would clash with our only starting calibre safety, Elam.
Go Seneca!
Plus if he really is in the 4.3s at that size and strength – I could not fault the pick as he is a true freak. Coaches are expected to improve players skills – but they can’t coach 4.3
by realmccoy on Mar 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He isn’t in the 4.3s, not at the combine anyway. And you can’t coach what Eric Berry has either.
I’d take Berry’s uncanny diagnostics and a 4.44 over Mays’ lack of coverage and a 4.30 (which he doesn’t run) any day.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
As would any uninvolved bystander.
The point is Carroll knows Mays and (apparently) likes that type of player in his system.
It’s no more a reach than all of the Browns/ Clausen hysteria.
Go Seneca!
Considering the Seahawks could reasonably get Mays in the 2nd round, it’s a massive reach. The Browns couldn’t even conceivably get Clausen in the 2nd if he went on a draft day slide as big as Quinn or Aaron Rodgers.
Carroll can know Mays all he wants, that’s still an awful pick (if it happens in the actual draft, not the mock draft pick).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
So was the point of this mock draft to predict who a team should take or who they will take? I can’t imagine Seattle taking Mays, no matter the explanation given on MTD.
One picture is worth 128K words.
look at who is controlling the draft…I can see it…
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yep…it does…
It also seems like a butch davis pick…or any other college coach that got power over the draft…
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I’ve always treated it as a combination of three things…
-Who I think the Browns will take
-Who I think the Browns should take
-What the consensus of other people agree on
The last one is sketchy in the sense that the beauty of a mock draft is that you try to not be like everyone else (otherwise there is really no point in comparing mocks). On the same note, you don’t want to make an erratic pick just for the sake of taking a leap of faith, so it’s best to get a feel of other peoples thoughts too.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 28, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s safe to say if we land Berry, everybody will be pleased. Except for Mooncamping that is. (That was my first Mooncamping joke. I feel all grown up now.)
One picture is worth 128K words.
Moon might just want him at CB or OLB or freaky flanker.
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I like the new trend of switching which side of the ball people play on.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 29, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only that, but he had 18 interceptions last year.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
this was hilarious
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by notthatnoise on Mar 30, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
DN needs a rec as well lest he become the guy that bids 400 only to have the next contestant bid 401 with the actual price being 478. I don’t see how there weren’t fights on that show, if someone did me like that I would be heated.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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by Villeslgr on Mar 31, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is where Family Guy shorts come in handy.

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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one probloem
The fat man from seattle not that good at drafts-so think whou would he take that really sucks in college foorball and that is our pik
After two attempts to comprehend this, I gave up. And I like Mooncamping’s work.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions

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