Want to know if Berry falls to #7? It depends on Mike Shanahan and the Redskins.
by jaws. on Mar 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST
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The only way the Bucs (#3) pass on Eric Berry is if McCoy or Suh is available. If the Rams take a QB first overall (and they should), then one of the DTs will be available at #3. If Suh or McCoy falls to the Bucs, they will be the pick. The chiefs at #5 are pretty sure to look Offensive tackle.
The big question mark is Mike Shanahan in Washington. A lot of mocks have the 'skins drafting a QB at #4, but with the retirement of Chris Samuels the Redskins now have a glaring need at LT. Pete Carroll is certainly hoping that the Redskins take either Russell Okung or Anthony Davis (the Chiefs will get the other tackle, but not necessarily at #5) Which leaves the Seahawks at #6.
If one of the Quarterbacks slips by the Redskins and lands in Pete Carroll's lap, he would be hard pressed to pass on them, especially if he could add a Brian Bulaga or Trent Williams with his other first round pick (#14) and still have a chance to add his guy Taylor Mays in the second round.
If the Rams take a QB and the Redskins take an OT, then Berry probably falls to #7.
However, should the Redskins take the other QB at #4, then The Seahawks are stuck a little bit at #6. They could use a playmaker in the secondary but their biggest needs are QB and OT. They can get a good OT at #14 but if neither Clausen nor Bradford gets to them at #6, they probably take Berry.
If the Browns brass really like Eric Berry, they could probably swing a trade with the Chiefs, since the chiefs would likely be able to get either Okung or Davis at #7 and could save some money giving them a #7 contract instead of a #5.
So, In the likely event that the Rams and Redskins both take QBs, The Browns should be on the phone to the Chiefs looking to send one of their third round picks to Kansas City in order to leapfrog the Seahawks for Eric Berry. I think the Chiefs would be willing to deal, considering that they are almost certain to get Okung anyway (or at the very least Anthony Davis, if Pete Carroll were to take Okung) and they could save some money on their first round pick, moving down a few slots.
What do you think? Is Eric Berry the guy? Is he worth eshewing the Joe Haden backup plan in order to trade up for him?
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I don’t know how much I trust this mock http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/schrager-nfl-mock-draft-3 but he has Berry falling to us.
Broncos @ #6?
If Seattle bites on Marshall’s 1st round tender you may have the Broncos picking in front of the Dogs. I could see us taking Berry there, he would probably be the bpa on the board at that point. Berry @ #6 and McClain @ #11 would sure put some talent in our D!
Of course the deal could twist 5 ways and it is hard seeing the Hawks giving up #6. #14 plus something else seems more likely.
Jake Locker
I think Pete Carroll will run with what he has for now, and select Jake Locker next year. He is extremely impressed with his abilities and will probably select an OL this year if it’s not a reach, and make a push for Locker next year.
I do like Berry better than Haden. Not sure I get into trade negotiations to get him. There seems to be a lot of DBs that are first rounders. Just seems like Berry is much better. Also I heard he can play corner. He reminds me of Ronnie Lott a little. Lott in his rookie year played corner. Could you imagine:
CB Wright
CB Berry
S Pool
S Adams
Not only some interchangeable parts but much better coverage skills. Elam plays the run situations and nickel blitzer. McDonald plays nickel cover.
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how about getting a FA CB, not having pool come back because he is a concussion away from losing the ability to read and write…and I would rather have abe elam than Adams…adams can play the nickel, and the FA CB can be the 2nd starting corner…
FA CB would be nice. Who are we talking about? Dunta Robinson or Lito Shepard type?
Pool will always have the concussion question mark. Adams did quite well at CB the last few weeks. Elam can tackle … just not too sure about his coverage skills. As pass happy as the NFL is, don’t you need 4 guys out there with at least average coverage skills?
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I agree with adams and Elam. Elam is I would say average in coverage. he isn’t terrible but he isn’t anything special. that is why I want us to draft berry and get some sort of free agent CB or a very nice player in the 2nd if the right guy is there like Kyle WIlson of Devin McCourty.
Personally, if we are getting a free agent I would love to pick up leigh Bodden.
Dunta robinson is also great but you worry with injuries.
I don’t want pool on the team honestly. I personally don’t think he will ever be the same player. I felt he had already dropped off after his 2nd most recent concussion so the quality of his play will be questionable too.
you really want to guarantee money with his risk?
I would LOVE to have Leigh Bodden back, and I was pissed when we traded him, that being said, we got Rogers for him and he’s a beast.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree. looking at the trade, I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it (also b/c of the loss of a draft pick…but savage would have wasted it anyways probably).
Bodden doesn’t have elite speed but his instincts and abilities in man coverage are pretty awesome. IMO, he reminds me of a slower, slightly bigger version of eric wright. neither one is a great tackler but are both good in man coverage.
Plus it never hurts to have someone on the roster who can cover Chad Johnson
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
On a side note: I found that interview from after the hit.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
nfl.com is reporting that the Skins have put a 1st-round tender on Campbell. So, might they still draft a QB or does this change the dynamic?
The chiefs at #5 are pretty sure to look Offensive tackle.
Hello Folks, this seems to be the popular idea around the league. But, our OL problems are in the interior, primarily Center – not LT. It’s a fierce debate in the Chiefs Universe but many of us think it doubtful that Pioli will be taking a LT. If you want Berry you might need to worry about KC also.
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the prevailing notion is that picking an elite LT will allow Brandon Albert to move to LG and your current LG to move to C, upgrading 3 positions at the same time with one draft pick. It seems like a good move to me.
As for the Browns, I think they could take a flyer on Dunta Robinson, he is actually a Joe Haden type, not the fastest corner in the league but good size and quickness and a fantastic run stopper and tackler for a CB. His downside is that throwing his body around making tackles has led to some injury trouble. If you can keep him healthy he is a solid corner opposite Eric Wright.
Brodney pool is probably done as a brown, I think they will sit him down and tell him if he keeps playing football he might lose the ability to eat solid food by the time hes 50, right before they cut him.
Eric Berry would be great as a deep centerfielder most of the time and could some times come up and cover the nickel receiver man to man, or even play in the box (if we want to play cover 0)
I think Rob Ryan is already salivating over the possibility of having 2 decent cover corners and an athletic safety (like berry) who can play great cover 1 or cover a wideout man to man, it really limits the risk involved with the blitz.
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Daunta Robinson is going to be paid big time this off season.
Not because he is great (I don’t think he is) but because he is the best FA CB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt mind us picking up darren sharper from the saints, then maybe trading up to get berry if we have to, to play corner. iwould also like to see us take a couple of our fifth rounds and trade with maybe N.E. to get one of their second rounders!
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by findlaybrownslover on Mar 5, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Too old. He wouldn’t play for us.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
agree, I’ll pass on sharper. Eric Berry is my guy. Would have liked to have looked into an Eric Mangini Kerry Rhodes reunion though. Doubtful now.
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Eric Berry might not fall to us.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Eh?
I think they could take a flyer on Dunta Robinson, he is actually a Joe Haden type, not the fastest corner in the league but good size and quickness and a fantastic run stopper and tackler for a CB.
This seems incorrect, I thought Robinson was on the smallish size and really fast.
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Your’e right.
Robinson ran a 4.34 coming out of college.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 9, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You're
Seriously, I need to be stopped.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 9, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I know politics isn’t really supposed to be talked about on here. However I have a question, but it is not to a person’s political party or view.
I do not reside permanently in cleveland so I do not keep up with cleveland news and do not read cleveland.com as much as I would like.
my question is: What is happening with that whole federal investigation with Jimmy Dimora and Russo???
okay. technically they are politicians and I know there is no politics. that is why i was saying that it is not a political party or view thing.
I hope they go to jail for a long time too. that is the problem with ppl holding the same office for too long. (I did find an article from the PD when i was trying to find out about dimora where it was talking about how the strickland didn’t pick a cuyahoga county dem for his ticket and they are making a huge deal about it when probably only the PD cares.)
honestly, I try not to talk about politics but the politics in cleveland have become kinda funny.
Ok, I live in Pittsburgh, so I have no idea what is being discussed, so could someone please fill me in? (with Chris and the Mods’ permission that is, I don’t want to bring up something that isn’t allowed.)
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
basically, there were some corrupt politicians in cleveland that have been in the system for years. there is a federal investigation and all their cronies are being weeded out slowly. at least that is what I understand of it.
Ha, Barbara Byrd Bennet did it to the school system for years and got a coushy job as a professor in New York and they even gave her tenure.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Update time
OK I’m sold on Eric Berry. Right now hes my guy for the browns, gotta get him.
Second round I like Jerry Hughes DE/OLB TCU, has a very Elvis Dumervil-like skillset, ran well and looked great at the combine. Could be explosive as a pass rusher, great speed and utterly dominating tackler in space.
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I know we have a ton of 2nd round picks (3?). Does anyone know the actual numbers they are overall? I’m lazy and don’t wanna go look it up right now
One thing that bothers me about free agency is not getting to do any mock drafts.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to tRSS.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t see what I did to deserve that.
Wasn’t really funny anyway
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
He likes to push buttons, he said it in another thread.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
This isn’t funny or cool or whatever you were going for.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not even a little?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Scanning a couple of thousand posts here trying to catch up, I read that and some of what was above it twice, trying to figure out exactly where TRSS had peed in your Wheaties…..
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 6, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, some of it was to push buttons are mentioned but also, I didn’t like that he was whining about not being able to do a free agent mock draft. Little, but I thought it was enough to spring that joke in waiting. Not specifically pointed toward that comment but thought it was enough. No?
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t ‘whining’, I just pointed out one thing that I didn’t really like about the start of the Free agency.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I like McShay.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
So next time you insult someone I like I’ll call you an idiot.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve already done this multiple times, it was my turn.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Care to bring an example or are you just gonna make something up.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
You literally do it all the time. Whenever I talk about ND. Heaven forbid.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I never call you an idiot. I disagree, but that is different.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I think is funny about McShay is how he thinks Clausen isn’t a 1st round prospect because of his height. This is funny because he is taller than Stafford and Sanchez, who he never said were too shor.t
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
He’s really just trying to say because he went to ND but he has to have a “statistical” reason for national tv.
Haha Just messing.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
he probably looks at clausen and sees Matt Leinart but with less size and success at the college level.
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Clausen had 28 TDs and 4 INTS and didn’t have Leinart’s supporting cast.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Actually ND had a ton of talent these last two years and still couldn’t beat anybody.
Clausen’s numbers are very good this year but he definitely doesn’t have the body of work that Leinart had (two national titles and a heisman)
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ND didn’t have anywhere near the talent that Leinhart’s USC teams had. ND couldn’t beat anybody good because their defense sucked, not because of poor play by Clausen. He was great this season.
And are you really going to judge a QB prospect on how many national titles he won? How does that matter? Tommy Frazier won two national titles — how did his NFL career work out?
Tommy Frazier was an option quarterback, probably the best ever. If they ran the option in the NFL he would have been an NFL quarterback.
ND may not have had the fantastic amount of talent that USC had in the Pete Carroll run, but you have to go back to Larry Coker / Butch Davis’s Miami teams to find a team that talented.
ND has gotten its fair share of recruits under Charlie Weis, the team Clausen had last year was probably more talented than anything Brady Quinn played with.
Its obvious that winning in college isn’t the only barometer that you look at, but it definitely plays a role in a qb’s draft stock. Accolades like Heisman, Maxwell, National Titles all play a role in the QB’s pedigree.
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Tommy Frazier was an option quarterback, probably the best ever. If they ran the option in the NFL he would have been an NFL quarterback.
I know he was an option quarterback. That’s not the point. The point is that winning national titles says nothing about what kind of NFL quaterback a player is going to be.
ND may not have had the fantastic amount of talent that USC had in the Pete Carroll run, but you have to go back to Larry Coker / Butch Davis’s Miami teams to find a team that talented.
Which is why it’s not fair to compare Leinhart to Clausen based on team accomplishments because Leinhart was on a team stacked with future NFL players. Thank you for making my point for me.
ND has gotten its fair share of recruits under Charlie Weis, the team Clausen had last year was probably more talented than anything Brady Quinn played with.
As we’ve discussed many times on here, recruiting rankings mean nothing. Look at the lack of ND player in the NFL (and on draft boards this year). Sure, Clausen had a couple good receivers to throw to, but his line wasn’t that good, he didn’t have a good running game, and the defense was terrible. How exactly is that Clausen’s fault?
Its obvious that winning in college isn’t the only barometer that you look at, but it definitely plays a role in a qb’s draft stock. Accolades like Heisman, Maxwell, National Titles all play a role in the QB’s pedigree.
Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? Take a look at how Heisman-winning QB’s from the past 20 years have faired in the NFL — Troy Smith, Matt Leinhart, Carson Palmer, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta. Except for Palmer, none of those players have had any success in the NFL. None at all. Are you really going to tell me that winning the Heisman plays a role in a QB’s pedigree? That couldn’t be more incorrect.
Just a FYI but Movethesticks.com, who is run by a former Browns scout, doesn’t see Clausen as a first rounder in his mock draft.
He talks with NFL teams everyday.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well good for him. I don’t really see what more they want him to do
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I was just passing on some information from a guy that speaks with NFL GM’s and scouts every day.
No need to get cranky.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t mean to sound cranky.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fine with me. Let him slip to the end of the first round and trade the second and a third to move back into the first and draft him just like with Quinn
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Just a question – Quinn or Clausen? Assuming both came out for the draft the same time.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
I like Quinn better in college but Clausen is probably a better pro prospect.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like Quinn honestly. Better size, similar arm strength, above average athlete, better outward intangibles, more success with less talent around him in college.
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If by success you mean wins.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 8, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m thinking trss was speaking tongue in cheek.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions
I really dont see the Chiefs going LT
Maybe if they grabbed one later. However, Safety is the Chiefs biggest need along with ILB. The Chiefs dont seem to be trying to resign Mike Brown either. I would pay attention to that and see what they do. Albert held it down nicely the last 8 games and I really expect him to be back.
thats what some people are saying. word is that if you went Okung you could drop albert into left guard and move one of your guards to center. A pick like that could solidify your whole offensive line all at once and Pioli is widely known to build his team in the trenches before he does anything else.
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How’d you make your way here dar?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 9, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s seeming more and more likely that either clausen or berry will fall to us. If neither falls, we should trade down with someone wanting Bryant.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 10, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions
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