2010 DBN Big Board-Top 5
by rufio on Mar 31, 2010 2:23 AM EDT
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PrintThe votes are in, and after 771 votes our DBN Big Board slots 1-5 are as follows:
1. Eric Berry--2853 total points
2. Ndamukong Suh--2421 total points
3. Sam Bradford--1770 total points
4. Joe Haden--1240 total points
5. Gerald McCoy--848 total points
The next closest player had 363 total points. Berry finished with 267 first-place votes right behind Suh, who had 268.
On to the 6-10 slots!
Our Draft Board
Our draft board will be a ranking of the players that are draft eligible, from best to worst. It should also take need, value, and character into account--if you think these things should be taken into account at all. If you always want the best player available, just rank them from best to worst.
For more information, see the initial Big Board post.
Instructions
Rank the top five available players. Take talent, value, need, and character into account if you think the Browns should take these things in to account when drafting.
Players will receive 5 points for every first place vote, 4 for every second place, and so on. They will receive 0 points if they are unranked. Total points from all ballots will be added, and the 5 players with the most votes will be taken out of the pool of available players and put up on the big board.
This is not a mock draft.
Don't predict what will happen
Don't think about other teams
Don't worry about who is available. Assume everyone you can vote for is available. (I will take players out of the vote-able pool once we put them on the board)
Just rank your guys in the order you would like to see them drafted by the Browns.
For instance, I think the top five players purely in terms of talent are:
1. Ndamukong Suh, DT
2. Eric Berry, S
3. Gerald McCoy, DT
4. Sam Bradford, QB
5. Anthony Davis, OT
Because of need, value, and character, my first ballot will look like this:
1. Suh
2. Berry
3. Bradford
4. Earl Thomas
5. Rolando McClain
Please vote only once.
Using the Scouts Inc. rankings (yes, I am aware of how much you hate Todd McShay) I will compile a pool of 25 draft eligible players. We will take a poll and rank players five at a time. New polls will happen every two days or so until the draft.
If there are players you think I should include in the draft-eligible pool--especially if they aren't coming up in McShay's rankings, let me know and I will put them in for the next poll. Thanks for voting!
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All,
Sorry about the number errors in the poll above. The options in the poll should read 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ll edit it when I get to my CPU a little later.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 31, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Browns stay put select Haden
My predicton. They will trade away more pics to get even more pics in future drafts. Dont be surprised if they dont trade down again. The quarterback they want (Bradford) is never going to be available to them at any price. They will select Haden or trade down to acquire pics.
I’d take him after pick 15 or so, but no thanks in the top ten.
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I generally don’t like taking receivers in the top ten, unless they are a truly special talent. They’re just too dependent on the rest of the team, and if you’re picking in the top ten, the rest of your team is not very good.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Lupati too. It’s okay
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Just so you know...
i’m not trying to throw water on the Eric Berry parade but i realized this morning that Seattle could be a major factor in CLE trying to get him. When Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks he retained DC Gus Bradley who was recommended to the post (for Mora’s staff) last year by Monte Kiffin. Kiffin of course was Berry’s DC at Tennessee last year & the Seahawks are retaining the basic Cover-2 system for 2010 its the offense that is expected to be overhauled. Another factor is the fact that SEA only has 2 Safeties on their roster at the moment. Yes i realized that Carrol could opt for Mays with his 2nd pick & go a variety of ways with #6 but i just wanted to float that out for everyone.
this has already been discussed a lot. Some of us believe the browns may trade up a couple spots to leapfrog seattle. the rest of us just hope seattle doesn’t take the player we want, like last year when they took Curry.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Now the rumours have Washington taking Berry at 4, and if not the Chiefes definitely at 5
Go Seneca!
by LondonBrown on Mar 31, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Washington needs an Offensive tackle or a QB, vastly more important positions than safety. Berry would be a stupid pick for them.
Kansas City has a need for the position and could take berry. However Scott Pioli is a huge believer in positional value and loves to make sure his offensive line is done before anything else. He could take an Offensive tackle and upgrade 3 positions on his offensive line at once. I heavily doubt that he would draft a safety so high.
"Smokescreen."
talk about inside information!
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Good news everyone, Holmgren has been getting my telepathic commands and they’re working. Who’s up for some fun? I’m thinking there will be a lot of public slapping of non-Browns AFC North personnel this year…
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Same.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Of all the cartoons to cancel…
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by golanbatrac on Mar 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Futurama > (The Simpsons + The Family guy + South Park)^2
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by golanbatrac on Mar 31, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO:
The Golden Years of The Simpsons > King of the Hill > Futurama > Early to Mid Family Guy > 25% of South Park > ~ > The Rest of The Simpsons > That Other 75% of SP > Most of Recent Family Guy > ~ > Everything Other than 1 or 2 Comments from the sometimes funny Baby of The Cleveland Show
The Golden Years of South Park trumps all else for me.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 31, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh huh.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yep…you just can’t beat scrotie McBoogerballs.
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Right. Southpark > Family Guy > Futurama > Anything else
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This is me vaguely. #1 and #2 vary
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This says a lot about both of you’re senses of humor. Whether those things are good or bad is all relative. Entertainment value in media is and always will be in the eye of the beholder.
I just got very tired of the 90% modernized and cartoonized slapstick humor in most of SP and FG. And by modernized, I mean having kids swim through a waterpark of urine.
Not to mention simply AWFUL storytelling. (Again, in both those shows) I still think this should be the backbone of comedies. If you can tell a good story (the happens to be humorous) the laughs will come naturally. Forget relying on how outrageous or offensive you can be.
Lastly, a lot of their content seems to appeal more to a much younger audience. A lot of the jokes I no longer find any funny, maybe I would have in grade school. Back then it was cool that it was “dirty.”
The way the SP writers can break down an issue and mock it so cleverly is what makes the show great to me. There is no one on the planet that is a more effective source of mockery. I admire that.
The children swimming in urine is just a bonus. Also, the need for good story telling is relative. If the story is the source of the humor, then it needs to be well structured. If it’s just a venue for the real source of the humor, then there’s no need to tell a compelling or clever story. I think both SP and FG are very upfront regarding their lack of interest in storytelling.
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I feel south park actually makes an attempt at story telling at times. I personally didn’t like the pee episode, but even most bad episodes, there is at least a few scenes that make me laugh.
Personally. i like smart, edgy, witty humor. I like George Carlin. I liked Monty Python (the movies and the show), Louis CK, Lewis Black, Richard Pryor. These guys all were witty and loved to touch upon edgy subjects and had smart humor too. South park is the same way. It gets me with its pure wit, smart, thought out humor, and edgy contraversial subjects that attack society with endless wit.
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Ewww Louis CK, I’ll agree on you with the rest though.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 31, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He is pretty funny. I saw him live this year. He was edgier than some of his stuff on TV. He is one of those guys that is much better at a normal performance than a TV one…maybe b/c he avoids edgier material on TV (I dunno why)
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That’s the 25% I think is often very funny. I couldn’t exactly pin point it down to specific years, like I can with The Simpsons, but do recognize that some episodes or gags are very funny. “Make Love not WarCraft” for example, was an instant classic in my book.
yes. the problem is, since season 9, there are only one or two of these episodes a season, instead of them making up a majority of the season.
The season you mention is season 10 which is where south park got inconsistent. they had things like the cartoon wars, satan’s super sweet 16, warcraft, and manbearpig which are classics to me. Then there are others like the towlie episode, the go god go thing, and the return of chef episode which I don’t care for.
I do appreciate the simpsons for how it always makes a very solid episode. If southpark was an EKG, it would have a lot more highs and lows…but I love the highs of SP.
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Classic Simpson’s is the tops, hypnotoad be damned.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, nothing now compares to what the simpsons used to be. I think Futurama is the closest. South Park’s problem is that some episodes are absolutely amazing, but some fall completely flat. its too inconsistent. I hate Family Guy (blasphemy!) its not clever at all, and is built completely off of cheap laughs. Family guy is the Carlos Mencia of prime time cartoons.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
*All glory to the Hypnotoad
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think family guy is better than the Mencia of prime time. that is a terrible insult. Mencia is a horrible comedian.
yes south park falls flat, but when it hits, i think it is maybe better than the glory days of simpsons.
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I think Family Guy is a horrible TV show.
That’s true about south park. think about it this way though. sometimes south park is a 99/100, but sometimes they’re a 75. the simpsons was a 90 every week.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Family Guy is awful. South Park got old real quick.
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I’m glad I’m not alone in my assessment of family guy.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, what’s wrong with you?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But, Family Guy has a lot of the same flaws as South Park.
(The shows are more similar than Matt and Trey are willing to admit. At least in what makes them not funny.)
Yikes. Matt and Trey hate Seth and would be very disappointed in that comparison.
by Western Reserve on Mar 31, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Anyone can make dick and fart jokes.
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South Park goes well beyond dick and fart jokes. It’s just masked as a toilet humor show, but there is a lot of scathing commentary. (at least there used to be)
right. one of SP’s strengths is that it takes almost no time to make, so they were able to make very relevant cultural commentary. It went beyond “dick and fart” jokes and had some very good satirical elements. When I say SP is hit or miss now, I mean some episodes are all dick and fart jokes. Family Guy is and has always been based on being as outrageous and offensive as it could be. They’ve never done anything meaningful.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. the peepee episode I thought was pretty much meaningless and was just pee jokes. What makes them great is they are always on top of an issue, offering witty humorous social commentary. the best friends forever episode is still one of my faves. south park is a very smart show under the guise of a show that isn’t as smart. if you dig down, there is some brilliant social commentary.
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I don’t think southpark is old. in fact, if you watch some of the newer episodes, they often feel very fresh. Tonight’s could be a groundbreaking one. they haven’t touched on the subject of pot that much and they are prepared to poke fun at medicinal marijuana dispenseries.
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They make fun of everything that needs to be made fun of – anything that takes itself too seriously.
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Good for you, your opinions will now carry more weight in my mind. And that’s important.
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You are the ultimate woman. Haha.
But seriously, I wish my girlfriend talked on Browns blogs and watched Family Guy.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like family guy that much…don’t get me wrong. to me it is a mediocre show…I guess it is better than comparing family guy to carrot top…
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I think Family Guy is pretty much a love/hate show. I go into the show with the anticipation of not minding seeing the cheap gags left and right, so it works for me.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m neutral to family guy, some of their shows are great, but some are awful like Surfin Bird, but even the bad ones have their moments like when Brian and Stewie went office space on the record.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 31, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This is sad. The Surfin’ Bird episode was an instant classic in my mind.
One picture is worth 128K words.
I’m sure there are a lot of people who loved it, but no one I personally know did.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The Simpsons just have so many characters that are unique and distinguished that it will always be on top in my book.
I know Recess is kind of a much different tune than those series listed, but that was an animated show I enjoyed during its run too.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 31, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, Recess. The memories…
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Detweiler!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But Mrs. Finster!
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 31, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That show was great.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Mar 31, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The show was surprisingly mature in storytelling. They had that Disney/Pixar quality of being instantly liked by kids, but interesting enough to capture adult attention.
It was entertaining as a kid, but I’m not sure even comes close to Pixar, in terms of being appealing to mature as well as very young audiences. I just have a little trouble with the comparison because Pixar literally perfected that.
But for being a small scale TV show, it had enough resembling qualities.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 1, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs. Finster’s nipple mu-mu always kinda freaked me out.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but as a late teenager, the show still struck me with some of its themes- Ms. Finster’s sadness over aging, youthful naiveté, and various episodes centered around universal childhood experiences. Perhaps I looked into it too much, but I believe the creators did a strong job making it applicable to all.
Mrs. Finster’s mu-mu always kinda creeped me out though.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
thats just completely wrong. I will give them family guy, but not much else.
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I miss Chappelle Show. What I don’t miss is hearing every line he ever said repeated over and over and over……….
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why I can’t watch Borat ever again
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by notthatnoise on Apr 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Borat was the most annoying move I have ever watched! I was rooting for somebody to just punch him in the face.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
you probably don’t like jackass either do you?
also, you should watch “Da Ali G show” most of the borat segments on there were better than the movie i thought.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ali G movie was the best of his three, Bruno was terrible.
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by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree bruno was terrible. It was gay porn. However i thought borat was the best. I like the unscripted sense of the movie. Ali G was scripted andf many scenes of bruno were too.
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don’t know…guess its just not my since of humor. Your right also, I don’t really care for jackass either.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I hate Jackass.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
jackass is just stupid. it is guys going around doing stupid things. Borat, the great thing was the interpersonal reactions. Jackass was guys in the woods jerking off horses. With bruno, he is a crazy foreigner interacting with real americans and showing their reactions. it cuts to deeply to the fact of how americans are paranoid and xenophobic.
Also, it does address a little homophobia. He would kiss people on the cheek and they would react negatively, although this is a common greeting many places in europe I felt it did a good job at addressing homophobia.
Homophobia was also the goal of bruno. the goal was to address how people look at gay people. instead, the movie itself seemed homophobic. instead of making fun of how people react to gays, he creats the worst stereotype imaginable of the gay community…
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Also, it does address a little homophobia. He would kiss people on the cheek and they would react negatively, although this is a common greeting many places in europe I felt it did a good job at addressing homophobia.
I am pretty sure that Bruno wasn’t supposed to be analyzed this deeply.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Borat was a close second.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
the movie in many ways was brilliant. what was annoying was the bad impersonations.
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right, the movie is hilarious, but i hate listening to people quote it.
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It’s coming back.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 31, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I was really just looking for a picture that said “Good news, everyone!” The second line was a necessary evil.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 31, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Get your votes in soon! I am going to close this poll tonight sometime after 10pm Mountain.
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