Williams trade finalized
The Browns have traded Corey Williams to the Detroit Lions.
Deal is Lions get Williams and a 7th round pick from the Browns. In return the Browns will get the Lions 5th rounder, a pick the Lions got from Denver in a draft day trade last season.
Williams was going to be cut next week if he wasn't traded.
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Agree. Sunk costs. Another Phil Savage disaster — trade away our 2nd round pick (when we already traded our 1st and 3rd rounders) for a guy who never played in a 3-4. Genius. I think Savage saw that GB franchised him and just thought, he must be really good, a “franchise” player.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Also!
Antrell Rolle is a supposed Bears “lean” (to borrow a recruiting term).
Mort is also reporting that the Browns are calling around using their 12 draft picks as trade ammo.
I think we may have a QB by dawn fellas.
They sure didn’t waste anytime sending Williams packing huh?
I wonder if this trade may get us Berry. Maybe the Lions take a pass on one of the DT’s and go in a direction of greater need? Maybe OT?
I doubt the Lions pick Berry, they took Delmas last season and he was very good.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree. I was not worried about him going to detroit. I am most worried now about KC. I don’t think a DT will go #1 when it comes down to it.
If you are right that they don’t go DT, that means either Suh or McCoy will last till #6
1: QB
2: not DT (if you are going to be correct)
3: DT
4: Definitely No DT, possibly OT (redskins)
5: I don’t think DT, drafted DT first round last 2 rounds. this is where I worry b/c if more OTs go early, they might go Berry
6: I think that the seahawks will go QB but with either Suh or McCoy on the board it might change.
7: if one of the DTs is still on the board, we could trade down and the pick may be overvalued just b/c who will b there.
Even though, Williams and Suh in the middle is nasty.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. it would be. I read a source on ESPN that said if both DTs are on the board, this means they will more likely take Suh.
they made the trade specifically so that they could take suh over McCoy since they are starting to think the rams will take bradford. Williams and McCoy both are naturally suited for the so-called ‘weak tackle’ or 3-tech. Suh is much stronger and has a game based on power more than quickness, he fits perfectly as a strong tackle. I think the lions want to come away from the offseason with Vanden Bosch, Williams and Suh. Jim Schwartz feels like a kid on christmas morning.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
If the Lions come away with those three, their offseason went really well.
Their defense should turn around quickly. Ernie Sims has to be the happiest person in Detroit.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
There is an article on the ESPN Rumors page talking about this, and the more I think of the situation, I think it is more possible. After getting Williams and Vanden Bosch, drafting Suh or McCoy doesn’t make sense. If they did that they would be spending about $20 Million on the defensive line, and have invested $0 in protecting their $13 million Quarterback.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just learned something new.
Tim Hasselbeck, of ESPN, just told me that Delhomme would be a great fit in Cleveland.
Hence, I learned Hasselbeck is a dumbass.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
He might have had a superb education but I have mixed opinions about his analysis. sometimes he says something ecent, sometimes not. at least he is better than his wife on the view.
Dorn only said that because he went to BC as well.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 5, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think we could end up being his rich fall back.
If he can’t get a ton of money from a contender, maybe he says screw it and goes for the payday with the Browns.
Just a thought.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, Mort says the Browns are the most aggressive team out there right now.
Not gonna lie, I am stoked right now. I think we may be going after someone big tonight.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’m stoked for our next 2 months but the next 72 hours should be real interesting. For the first time that I can remember, the Browns have the perfect storm of credible leaders, money, and draft picks.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
That’s downright terrifying. And quite cool.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 5, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
How many off our 11draft picks (before Williams departure) were accumulated by Mangini??
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well we get 7 right away.
We got two from Edwards. We got one from the K2 trade. One for the Louis Leonard trade.
So four by my count.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks. I’ve been following the site since last pre-season and figured it’s about time I finally contributed something. On a side note, thanks for all the awesome news, articles, and everything.
No prob.
You picked an awesome day to jump into the pool. Today is going to be nuts.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
fifthed?
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sexted?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Mort is saying that the pick we got back for Corey Williams is believed to be a 6th rounder.
Yikes. Great deal for the Lions.
I guess the FO really wanted to get rid of him eh? This trade just clears some money for us.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
If it was to clear some money, that means the Browns just saved about 6 million dollars, and I heard today that Peppers was wanting about 13 million. So maybe the Browns might make a run at Peppers since they just cleared some money, and opened up the position.
*Note: My 6 million dollar figure comes from Williams 6 year 38 million contract, just did some simple math and rounding, I didn’t actually look up his actuall yearly salary.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 4, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think this was a move to spend some money elsewhere.
Mort is now saying that the pick we got could be a 5th. Stay tuned.
By the way, I crap all over Mort and for good reason, but he has been on point tonight. Got to give props when due.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 4, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
If it is a 5th round pick, I think that may bring Troy Smith into play, who was tendered for his original 5th round pick. Just another crazy theory of mine.
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I like this idea.
Don’t know why, but I have a feeling that Quinn and DA will be gone by Monday morning.
I have always thought that DA will end up a Panther.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I have to admit, I’ve always liked Troy Smith. I’m not entirely certain how he would do as a Brown, but for a fifth round pick, he may not be that bad of a gamble. And, all in all, if he doesnt work out, he’s still a better quarterback than Ratliff.
he’s still a better quarterback than Ratliff.
Somewhere Mooncamping just punched something.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Probably a wall of marshmallows or whatever other piece of gumdrop candyland he was wandering through at that moment.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
by danvail on Mar 5, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network reports that the Browns dealt Williams before his 1.7 million bonus came due next week.
Sounds like it was a trade or cut situation. Glad we got something. Chargers got nothing for Jamal Williams this afternoon.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I believe this. Detroit just paid a 5th/6th to cut in front of the free agency line.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
Adding on:
Peter King of Si.com is reporting that the Ravens are out of the Marshall race. They don’t want to give him anymore money.
Instead they will focus on Walter (above) and Boldin. I didn’t want Marshall in Baltimore.
Again, know thy enemy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m very interested in Dunta Robinson if he isn’t too pricey.
With all of their draft picks and Shaun Rodgers, the Browns could be a great trade partner to get Nnamdi Asomugha and re-unite him with defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. Personally I love the idea, especially since we have the deep pocketed ownership to absorb his huge contract.
I think the browns should solve CB outside of the draft so we can use our second pick on a LB
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
The thing about Robinson is that he is widely reported to be a Falcon.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Peppers and Chester Taylor will be in Chicago in the morning. Karlos Dansby will be in Miami in the AM.
I did a real crappy job of typing that.
Those are just visits, not signings. My bad.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, no one talked about this during the whole thing about tendering guys:
we did not put any sort of tender on brodney pool. this makes him a UFA. I personally am not surprised at all.
Makes it even more important that we get a safety.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ever since that last concussion, I have considered it a foregone conclusion that he would be gone. whenever I thought about our safety position, whether in the draft or Free Agency, I did not consider pool as on the team.
Maybe we go after Astowege(spelling???) From the Rams. Tendered the lowest level and is a very solid Safety when healthy. Lets not count out Rhodes either.
I agree. Atogwe is IMO one of their best players on defense. If it is a low tender, hell yes. He is more than a solid player, he is a darn good player. with him at Free and Elam at Strong, i feel we have a more than solid safety corps, but not much depth.
I understand he was injured this year, but it is not like he is boldin and has serious injury issues. Since his rookie year (where he only got on the field for 12 games and was healthy) he has missed 4 total games in 4 years…all this year. while you have to worry about this year, for a guy who produces like he does, that tender is a steal even with any sort of injury.
I would be thrilled with Rhodes.
Plus, I would really like to see the Browns get into the Ryan Clark derby.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
so did Clark’s agent, Coincedence? i think not.
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by jaws. on Mar 5, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Ryan Clark and David Carr have the same agent, we may be on to something.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
He’s massively underrated
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
By the way it is 35 minutes into free agency and the Browns haven’t signed anyone.
I hate the new regime.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
it’s 12:36 and Braylon Edwards still sucks
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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by Villeslgr on Mar 5, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
3:24 AM on the East Coast, and still counting……
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 5, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
Lions HC Jim Schwartz was on Kyle VandenBosch’s front yard at midnight.
It worked for Rex Ryan and Bart Scott. Looks like the Lions are upgrading their defensive line. Really like that. Lions may be headed upwards.
PFT is reporting that the Redskins have dropped out of the Peppers derby.
Earlier, other places have reported that the Seahawks and Eagles both backed away.
It looks more and more like Peppers could be a Bear by noon Friday.
I’m sitting here in bed on my phone’s browser…let’s see how long I can stay up lol.
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I’m in the same boat
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
webOS 1.4 is awesome. Just upgraded on Pre and live commenting works on the SBN sites.
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I almost went with the PalmPre but chickened out and went with old reliable. The Blackberry.
Never turn your back to the ’Berry.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I really need to get some sort of new phone soon. I had a new one about a year ago but it broke and before getting it, my family stopped the insurance policy. while this sounds dumb, it was like 6 dollars a month and then you still had to pay 50-100 dollars to get a new phone…
anyways, I am eligible for a free one in the summer. until them I am stuck with the worst phone in history. Here are some of the things it does.
Doesn’t turn on sometimes
randomly drops calls
Randomly in conversations it will disconnect and I can’t here what is going on. it will eventually reconnect but the time lapse varies.
Sometimes the buttons don’t work so I have to take out the battery
worst (IMO) is that sometimes I will be talking on the phone and the phone just TURNS OFF.
You can get a pay as you go Trac phone at 7eleven for dirt cheap till you get a new one.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
What’s an exclusive rights tender? We have them on Bernard, Costanzo and Jennings.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
I believe it means that they have to sign with the Browns. They can’t shop themselves around.
I will do some checking if I get a second.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Schefter is reporting that Brandon Manumaleuna will get paid big time.
If he signs with Chicago, Greg Olsen would be available. Count me in. Big time.
agree. Id be glad to take olson if the price was low enough. I still want to make a Shaun Rodgers for Nnamdi Asomaugh swap though.
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Only problem is that I doubt the Raiders would do it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
we have draft picks to offer, His contract is gigantic, i don’t think theres too many partners willing to give up first round picks for the guy.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I am willing to move any pick after the first two rounds.
The only problem is that the Raiders don’t seem very motivated to move Nnamdi.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Al Davis likes him. Still it seems like the kind of big splash move that can make this the year the Browns finally have a new attitude.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Remember, we just traded away the big splash from two years ago for a fifth or sixth rounder.
We don’t have to have “splashy” moves. We need smart ones.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’m thinking “Sean Payton ran a surprise onside kick in the Super Bowl” aggressive, not “Phil Savage just made a trade to remind the national media that there is still a team in Cleveland” aggressive.
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Well spoken, both of you. I mean, I wouldn’t want us to turn away from a splashy move if it were the right one, but I won’t be disappointed by a lack of marquee transactions. In Holmgren and Co. we trust.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I hear yesterday that Chicago may be looking to trade Olsen because Mike Martz’s offense doesn’t use the tight end very much. I was hoping the Browns would be all over that.
It sounds like it is a done deal.
Wonder what the Bears would want for Olsen? I would imagine 3rd-4th range.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Peppers agent says that Peppers is “the Bears to lose”.
Sounds like that one is done. I am sure that they haven’t exchanged any sort of numbers before midnight tonight.
(rolls eyes)
The Gaston Gazette (Yeah, the Gaston Gazette) is reporting that if the Bears deal falls apart, Peppers will be headed to Philly.
Considering Philly was reported as out earlier, I am guessing that this is agent speak for “We have other options. Really. We do. I promise.”
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bears still suck
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Pennington to Fins isn’t a deal yet.
Apparently Pennington wants a no trade clause. In other news Pennington thinks it is year 2002 and someone would actually trade picks for him.
Robinson to Falcons within the hour according to the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution).
This was the worst kept secret all week.
Filed under “could effect the Browns draft”:
Jason Cole is reporting that the Redskins will have OT Chad Clifton in for a visit on Friday.
Considering we were pegging the Skins as a potential landing spot for EB, if the Skins sign Clifton, they may be out of the OT running.
Nah that just means they are looking at Drafting a QB, hard. Leaving the seahawks as a potential Berry landing spot. If you ask me, we should definitely be willing to move up (the chiefs would be willing to swap) to get berry. The kid is solid.
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I love EB, but I really don’t want to trade up.
Add more picks. More, more, more.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It all depends on what else we can add between now and the draft, however the fact is that Haden is a definite consolation prize. Berry and Suh are the best players in the draft. I like berry enough to give the chiefs a 3rd or 4th pick to move ahead of the seahawks. The chiefs will be glad to make a deal, they want an OT and will be able to get Okung or Davis at #7 and pay them less than the #5 slot. Berry is my guy.
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Broncos don’t have a Center under contract.
I would be shocked if Hadnot left Denver without a deal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
According to Schefter, Nate Burelson has signed with the Detroit Lions. 5 year deal. Trying to get some better numbers.
So, one down.
Dude. Lions are kicking ass and taking names.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
They are making some nice moves. Burelson will see a lot of one on one coverage.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Here are the numbers for Burelson: 5 years for 25 million with 11 million guaranteed.
A lot of money for 63 catches and 812 yards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
it is a lot of money…but didn’t we pay stallworth more than that?? Not that we shoulc compare any deal to that.
but also consider this:
burleson only played 13 games. he was injured for the last few games of the season. translate that per game and its about 4.8 catches a game and 62-63 yards. translated over a 16 game season and he would have gotten 77 catches for about 1000 yards.
Burleson will be covered much less. In seattle he WAS the #1 option. TJ has always been more of a #2/slot receiver. Burleson consistently went up against the teams best corner. in Detroit, he will not get the kind of coverage that he got in seattle.
while seattle passed more than the lions did this year (and for more yards) I feel that the teams are on a trend to switch that. with stafford healthy all year (possibly) and him in his 2nd season, I think they will get less conservative. However, in seattle I doubt that hasselbeck is back. it is likely that the starter is either clausen or bradford. that means a conservative offense, at least for this year.
my point is, that Burleson could put up even better numbers in detroit. he is just reaching his prime and with detroit being a better fit, he could shine. They were in desperate need of a #2. IMO, burleson is a solid 1 but a great 2. for that price, I might put him on the browns…it was evident when Megatron was out that without him, they had no passing game. Burleson really helps the offense. if they can vandenbosch too and suh, I see this team winning maybe 6 games next year just with these moves.
except that burleson produced more last year than I believe stallworth ever did in his career, and he faced a lot of coverage being a #1 receiver, and he was injured for 3 games.
by bross09 on Mar 5, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He has had more than 1,000 yards once in his 7 years as a pro. He is a year removed from a season in which he played 1 game. Last year as the supposed number 1 he had 813 yards and 3 TDs. So he did outproduce Stallworth, but that is nothing to write home about.
but he produced that in 13 games. over a 16 game season, that production goes to 77 catches and 1000 yards.
I do think he is overpayed but I do see the thought process and I don’t completely disagree in Detroits situation. without Megatron they have no passing game and he was maybe the best Free Agent out there. He might end up being overpayed but he will have IMO great on the field production.
For everyone, myself included, that was interested in LenDale White this offseason, he got a second rounder tender from the Titans.
No thanks.
yeah the titans can have lendale. Once he gets a contract I’m sure he will return to his “Box of Krispy Kremes and a Margarita” Breakfast
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You mean everyone doesn’t drink Patron with every meal?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Panthers have cut Maake Kemeoutu.
If you don’t know who he is, he is a monster DT that could be a nice quiet signing if we do deal Shaun Rogers.
I recognized the name and I thought “isn’t he a huge DT?”
Do you think he could play nose though? He has the size…and I am guessing by the rogers thing you might think so…
If you put him and rubin as a rotation at NT I really like that.
the one thing I worry about though is health. He doesn’t really have a history of injuries but he is coming off tearing his achilles tendon. he was on IR all year and he might not be in the best shape. also, the injury is likely one of the main reasons why they cut him. if he checks out medically and physically I am fine, but I do worry…
Yeah he was hurt.
If he wasn’t I doubt the Panthers cut him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Justin Bannan to visit with the Browns per Adam Caplan of scout.com.
For those unfamiliar, Bannan is a 30 year old DE. He is 6-3 and 310 and has played under a Ryan before.
He is a Raven.
Meh.
When I close my eyes tonight..
I’ll picture a Browns defense that features starters Eric Berry, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Sergio Kindle.
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Why not add in Ronnie Lott while you’re dreaming?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
OK OK so i’d settle for Ricky Sapp. BUT STILL
I’m convinced signing Justin Bannan is mostly so he can pass our coaching staff crib sheets for the Raven’s defensive schemes.
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Well it is 3AM Eastern time and the news has slowed to a trickle.
Here is a quick cheat sheet for those in the morning (at 3 AM, everything could change):
Dunta Robinson to Falcons should be a done deal by morning.
Julius Peppers, Chester Taylor and Brandon Mualaunna are all headed to Chicago for visits with Peppers expected to be signed by noon.
Aaron Kampmann has a lot of rumors going around with most of them having him ending up in Seattle.
Chad Clifton is headed to Washington for a visit.
Chad Pennington is close to a deal with the Fins but has a no trade clause holding it up.
Nate Burelson has signed with the Lions. First deal in the new uncapped world.
Jim Schwartz showed up at VandenBosch’s house at midnight. Schefter said it is practically a lock that he ends up in Detroit.
Only Browns news is that Justin Bannan is coming in for a visit.
Please add in and I will add more in the morning.
As soon as I post this, I find this:
Tampa Bay Bucs to bring in Willie Parker for a visit.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
Steeler DE
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Or Raven. Damnit.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Either way, worthless.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
How were we the most aggresive but yet the Bears and Lions are cleaning house?
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Just be happy hearing the Browns are doing ANYTHING productive in free agency.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Winning free agency does not equate to winning football games. Ask Phil Savage. Also! The Bears are somehow neglecting their biggest weakness which is why they were losing in the first place….offensive line.
Correct. When was the last time the Steelers made a big signing?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
bannan is the ravens #3 DT in their rotation scheme. he’s a durable run stuffing DL. doesnt offer much in pass rush for his stats but does an ok job of setting up other players.
DE in a 34?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Schefter says Browns are targeting LB Scott Fujita of the Saints.
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I am 100% behind this, we can shop DQ now.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
would we really be overflowing with talented linebackers if we kept DQ and Fujita?
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Not really. I just think we have a lot of middling type guys if we sign Fujita. Veikune, Barton, Bowens, DQ, Fujita, Maivia. DQ is probably the best of that bunch, but certainly not essential.
I think if we sign Fujita, someone will be on their way out. Maybe Barton?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
In the 3-4 scheme, Fujita and D’Quell probably play the same position, the off side ILB. Guy who cleans up tackles past the LOS and prevents the running back from getting to the secondary. High Motor good tackler in space.
The Browns need that thumper MLB who can take charge of the defense and shoot the gap, get off blocks and make plays at or behind the LOS. Neither Fujita or DQ really fit the bill here.
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I will take your word for it, but I really have no idea how Fujita fits into this defense.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
That didn’t work so well. Hawk was benched mid-season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hence my apprehension. I’m not sure who I want for our ILB spots, but I know this: Jerry Hughes of TCU is the guy i want opposite Kamerion Wembley. Dude looks like a good value in the second round.
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whats wrong with roth…..i think hes a solid OLB opposite wimbley. lets be honest with ourselves though….wimbley is a good #2 OLB & savage went for him instead of haloti with romeo’s encouragement.
problem with roth is that he can help stop the run but really is nothing more than depth. Need an explosive pass rusher who can get consistent pressure on the QB. This is the NFL, you need 3 things in order:
A quarterback
Protect the Quarterback
Get to the other Quarterback
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if im not mistaken Roth was all over QB’s last year
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
in what 5 or 6 games, not to mention some of the QB pressures as well
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Barton might retire.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fujita is not Dqwell. I hope everyone knows that.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, Fujita was the weakest part of the Saints D.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say the weakest because that was a pretty weak D in the first place.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not That weak. They had some pretty good players.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
So did we.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Their secondary was better and so was their D-line. Plus they had Vilma
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m bored with FA so far. Do something exciting damnit!
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
Trading back for Williams?
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mooncamping.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Grossi speculates that with trading Williams, it allows Rogers to start at DE this season.
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Grossi just LOVES the idea of Rodgers playing DE. I wouldn’t mind it, He could play 5 tech for first and second down and then move over to nose as part of a nickel package (probably like 1 down lineman 5 linebackers)
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I wouldnt be shocked if we trade Rogers, but I doubt it happens. That would leave us really thin on the Defensive line. But hey if the offer is sweet, then we gotta jump on it.
I would have preferred a little more for Williams. He started to pick it up a little last year, and now we’re pretty thin at DE. I also wish we could have made a move for Cromartie. It just seems like the Browns never really have their eyes on a specific player in free agency and decided to get him no matter the costs; who is really a game changer at least. Maybe its a good thing since we don’t get locked into a Haynesworth type deal. But when you make Williams type deals then its really no better
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 5, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions
It just seems like the Browns never really have their eyes on a specific player in free agency and decided to get him no matter the costs
LeCharles Bentley, Eric Steinbach, Gary Baxter among others were signed very quickly after the start of free agency.
Just because they didn’t work out doesn’t mean that we haven’t tried.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns are also not one player away from being there. We shouldn’t go after a high profile free agent until the team is a player or 2 from serious playoff contention.
Well, this isn’t baseball. Savage had a decent action plan when he tried to fill some of our many needs via FA. Granted, he had to overpay (and we likely would again as well), but what’s the point of not spending money if we’ re still profitable?
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
I’d blame the asteroid impact injuries a little more than that, but yes that was a bit of an issue as well.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
I think Romeo Crennel was just incompetent. Phil Savage was probably decent as a scout, but wasn’t great with decisions, and he didn’t have anybody else in the FO to help him. Team had no direction and didn’t have great football mind drawing up the Xs and Os
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My opinion of Savage seems to fall every day. This recent Williams trade sure doesn’t help.
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yeah passing on Haloti Ngata for Kamerion Wembley… Savages second worst draft move, right after letting MATT MILLEN bend him over the table so Savage could move up one spot to draft Kellen Winslow. Millen got our pick and the guy he wanted anyway: Roy Williams.
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That was Butch Davis.
The Ngata move was the one move that I hated at the time the decision was made. A couple of others that I was doubtful but willing to give the benefit of the doubt on were the Baxter/Henry swap and the Corey Williams trade.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
I thought Wimbley was Savages first pick?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Brad, always showing off with your reading comprehension.
Don’t you know by now that I only read the first three words of every post?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. I apologize arrogantly reading the whole comment. It won’t happen again.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 5, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Edwards was Savages first pick. Wimbley came the next year. And we swapped with Baltimore so they could take Ngata even tho Crennell wanted ngata
I was under the impression that Savage had them as a toss up but Crennel wanted the Peter Boulware type edge pass rusher.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
Sometimes you can get close to playoff contention with FA
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I’d just rather not overpay an older player like Peppers. Save the money until there is the absolute right fit. Otherwise spend it on solid starters that don’t cost as much.
I’m not saying go grab Peppers, but grab some players that can make an impact.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve read this idea somewhere here, but I can’t find it. So, with Williams and VandenBosch now on the Lions, it seems that the Lions are doing much better on DL. Does this put them out of contention for McCoy and Suh? If so, does this make the 2nd overall pick available (who else will they pick at that spot?) and should we consider making the trade up?
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Speculation is that the lions took corey williams because they want to draft suh over mccoy. (McCoy and Williams both are 3-techs while Suh is more of a strong tackle)
The other option the lions might be looking at is offensive tackle, a body like Russell Okung would upgrade their OL right away.
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I like the sound of Rubin and Rogers lining up together. Makes a big defensive line and allows Rogers to try and rush the QB while Rubin occupys space.
I agree though a 5th or 6th for a guy with Williams potential bites but it sounds like we would have cut him had no one made an offer. I guess something is better then nothing.
Eagles just made Leonard Weaver the highest paid FB in NFL history.
Jim Brown just pooped his pants.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At that cost, where will they find the money to sign those other 10 FBs?
by APV on Mar 5, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thomas Jones
Just curious, but has anyone seen any news on Jones? I haven’t seen one article yet on the net about teams contacting him?
He is probably going to see how the market shakes out.
Considering the Bears just gave Chester Taylor 4 year 12 million with 7.5 guaranteed, I think Thomas Jones will be expensive.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I should mention that since the Vikings were a final eight team, they are now allowed to sign a free agent to a deal similar to Taylors.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
No. He would not want to play for a bad team like us anyway. He isn’t even that good.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I’m gettin caught up here….did we find out what we got for Williams from Detroit? Was it their 5th or 6th rounder?
well if its like everyone else said … cut him or trade .. its better than nothing. though we may have just traded them a tom brady with our 7th rounder :(
We now have all 32 picks in the fifth round, no?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like it too. 7th rounders are usually special teamers or cut after training camp anyway.
That makes 4 picks in the 5th round. One of those HAS to be Jimmy Graham.
I think they are looking to load up on Offensive lineman starting in the third round.
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Maybe Jake Ballard as a late TE sleeper?
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I’m going with this. Ballard has a good pair of hands on him, unlike Robert “I couldn’t catch a cold” Royal.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
the TE i like in the 5th is Jimmy Graham from the U.
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I prefer Quarless, but Graham would be nice too.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Of the two, I’d take Dwyer, since he’s a between the tackles power runner and we don’t have that. Playing in the Tech option attack, he’s a good blocker as well (I went to GT, I’ve watched Dwyer for years). HOWEVER, he’s not a great pass catcher and can’t really make guys miss in space. He’d need a good WR block to get sprung at the second level. Any safety worth their salt will sure tackle him. He’ll be a fantastic goal-line back in the NFL (dude’s bigger than most fullbacks), but I don’t think we should burn a high pick on him.
McCluster’s a smaller back and with Harrison and James Davis already in the fold, I don’t think we need a third of those.
He’s never been super fast. If he got sprung on a block, he was normally okay b/c no safeties played deep against Tech’s option offense, so he only had to worry about CBs who were playing man coverages against the WRs.
I think he’ll be a great short yardage runner in the NFL, but definitely not a full time starter. Great third down back for whoever gets him and I’d argue he’s the best blocking RB, but not worth a pick if you’re looking for a franchise RB.
So? He’s a power running back.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dolla dolla billz son.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
by danvail on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I have to say, Detroit is starting to look like a half-way decent team. Burleson isnt great but add him to Johnson, Northcutt and pettigrew. Thats a solid Recieving core. That defensive line is taking shape to. Solid draft and they could start to turn it around.
one decision remains for them: Take Suh and just dominate other teams up front, or go with the Left tackle and fix your porous offensive line.
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They should, but the Lion’s coach thinks that their LT should be a probowler.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I am not impressed. Nortchutt and Burleson do little for me, and I have made my feelings on Corey Williams well known. I do like the Vanden Bosch signing a lot for a 4-3 team though. If they take Suh, it’s another step in the right direction. They still have some serious O line problems as MJ mentions.
And we thought Kevin Shaffer could be our left tackle of the future. Sometimes I feel like some of us fans could do a better job building teams.
its true, but perhaps they dont think you need a multimillionare left tackle. The Colts and saints both had decidedly small name left tackles last year.
Jermon Bushrod and Tony Ugoh aren’t exactly first ballot Hall of Famers
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Ugoh doesn’t start, it is Charlie Johnson. Your point still stands though.
But with those two QB’s they have such a grasp of what is going on that they don’t have to have elite blocking because they go through their reads so fast.
Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are their own best pass blockers.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
You are signing a contract for a 16-game season, not enrolling your kids in the school system. Detroit’s got pretty decent fans.
by APV on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Besides, most of these folks can probably afford a private nice school anywhere.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 7, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I get the idea the browns have specific targets, and don’t just want to throw millions at guys who arent worth it (i’m looking at you Phil Savage)
This just in: Chester Taylor to the Bears
God the bears are really really unhappy with that Jay Cutler Trade.
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yea, cuz theres gonna be a good amount of roster bonus casualties
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
guess you gotta make a big splash in FA when you don’t have no pics in the draft….wonder if they are 2nd guessing themselves on the interception throwing machine they traded for
Yeah Chicago is reminding me of our draft 2 years ago. Cleveland trading for Rogers and williams and getting Quinn the year before is like Drafting in the first two rounds. Look where that got us!!!
It wasn’t the worst thing ever, we did end up with Shaun Rogers.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
By no means am I saying that it was good, but we did get a Pro Bowler for our third rounder.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
He made a few phenomenal moves, can’t take that away from him. Rogers trade was a steal. Thomas was the most important draft choice the Browns have made since 99.
I wouldn’t say excellent unless you aren’t willing to call the Quinn pick a miss. You would also have to call drafting Wimbley over Ngata an important miss as well.
While its frustrating, I’m still happy the Browns aren’t diving headlong into an overpriced, flashy draft pick.
If we get Fujita though, I’ll feel pretty happy about that. I’m just mainly curious to see how things go if we just go after diamond-in-the-rough type guys all free agency and see how it turns out.
agree 100%, I don’t wanna dive in either. I’m guessing as mentioned above…we have specific people were looking at and they are probably working deals on them now.
And, I know this is a bit hyperbolic, but for me, the last games of the season proved how great a team can be if you sign guys who have a great passion for the game over big name guys. The younger players got to hop in, show what they could do, and we got some great hidden talent with Roth, Trusnik, and Costanzo.
I don’t understand why he’d want to stay in the same division and also be a #2 back again behind Forte. He could’ve found better deals if he would’ve waited.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
He could’ve found better deals if he would’ve waited.
So, not really. I just think he made a bad agent-pushed decision.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Forte killed Matt Forte’s Fantasy Stock and my fantasy team.
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by Villeslgr on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it wasnt all his fault. Bears line was horrendous and Cutler throwin the ball 40 times a game doesnt help either
was their offensive line that much worse than his first year? probably not. he was significantly worse his second year….
Agreed. The Bears O-line is bad, but it wasn’t much worse than the year prior. Forte did not have the burst he had his rookie season. I think he’s hurt, but that’s just my opinion from watching him run from one year to the next.
by chitown browns fan on Mar 6, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
and he would have had to have gotten about 5.4 yards per carry on those extra rushes to even rush for the same amount of yards.
2008: 1238 rushing yards 3.92 ypc, 8 TDs only one fumble
2009: 929 Rushing yards 3.6 ypc 4 TDs 6 fumbles, 3 lost.
More Advanced stats
2008: 63 first downs 20% of rushes for first down, 8 rushes 20+ yds 29% receptions for first down.
2009: 39 first downs 15% of rushes for first down, 3 rushes for 20+ yards 36.5 % rec first down.
overall, the stats just show that he was nowhere near as explosive…no matter what variables. If you put the 2009 Matt forte behind the 2008 Chicago bears line, and have him rush the exact same amount of times, he would significantly underperform still.
I almost hate to say it, but do you think its possible Holmgren could groom Rex Grossman into an elite QB????
me too, Kimble I think if he is going to groom anyone its going to be Brady Quinn.
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This is awesome. I kinda want to sign Grossman now, just for this.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is my first day of actually posting, but have been visiting the site for about a year or two now.
Same here, this is the best site for Browns news!!! Especially if you dont live in Cleveland
by Skov17 on Mar 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea, an the regular website updates so frickin slow on stuff
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Glad you guys enjoy it as much as I do. I love when we add new informed commenters, so please let loose.
A tip for people who just registered as well….use the Z on your keyboard to quickly scan through new posts.
And don’t use the subject line…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Chicago whopper: Julius Peppers’ contract in Chicago is expected to pay him roughly $40 million in the deal’s first three years.
wow … schefters twitter
For those not at home, Adam Schefter is reporting on ESPN that the Seahawks are considering signing Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet and sending the 6th overall pick to the Broncos.
Wow. I like me some Brandon Marshall but that is insane.
Schefter says it looks like it will happen. Stay tuned.
Wow!
And you know Denver’s going to draft for offense in that spot (I’m guessing Dez Bryant). Berry might actually make it to #7.
I honestly think McDaniels is okay with Kyle Orton. Look what he got out of Matt Cassel.
I think the strat might be surround a decent QB with a ton of weapons and spread the defense thin, similar to his last 3 years as Patriots OC.
Look at how much they loaded up on running back last year. Me thinks Josh is looking for pass catchers in the draft now.
Cassel is better than Orton. I don’t think Cassel was that bad last year, he just had no supporting cast.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Chiefs just HAVE GOT TO fix that O line.
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Chiefs O-line troubles are on the interior so they could conceivably find Guards/Center in the 2nd round.
Yeah but Brandon Albert hasnt done well at left tackle so they could move him to left guard and draft a natural tackle
With Pioli’s track record… I think LT in the first is a lock. Fix 3 positions (including the big hole at center) for the price of one pick. Golden.
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…will be their second round pick.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is it me or is Pete Carroll crazy? he could TRADE DOWN a few spots and still take Dez Bryant if he wants a WR. Hell Bryant might still be there at #14. I’m flabbergasted.
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I guess he figures that Marshall is a sure thing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Carroll’s doing the same thing he did at USC. Load up with recruiting and have a flashy team, then get crushed by the first team he plays that actually knows how to gameplan defensively.
And he’s in a powder puff division (again, just like in college), so he’ll probably get away with it.
I think Seattle’s drafting a RB anyway, so I’m not too worried.
I don’t remember USC getting “crushed” very often during Carroll’s tenure. Most of their losses were very close games.
I think Seattle takes Clausen and Charles Brown.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
would it be cheaper in the long run to sign marshall to a new contract vs paying the #6 pick overall & dealing with a training camp holdout?
The only downside is that Brandon Marshall is one “argument with his woman” away from an 8 game suspension.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Schefter now saying that Marshall will be in Seattle on Saturday to finalize offer sheet.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot imagine him in neon green and actually enjoying Seattle.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Disclaimer**** This guy has a “source” who has been right before so here is the RUMOR right now.
Very questionable at best, but thought I should pass it on.
I think the browns have got to start Quinn this year. If they send him out they are either sold on a guy like Colt McCoy or Tebow, or planning on starting that guy who made the team over Richard Bartel.
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Am i the only person that really like Tony Pike from Cincy? Even with a porous line, he ate up soft secondaries (until he went up against Florida and that line got exposed).
he has good size to if im not mistaken
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s an NFL quarterback. He feasted off bad defenses in the Big East. As you said, look what Florida did to him.
I say look what Florida did to that OL rather than him. It’s not like how Colt Brennan got beat up by Georgia’s defense. Hawaii actually had a line. Brennan just hadn’t faced that sort of speed before.
If Pike’s there in a later round (4th or below) I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him.
I’m not a big fan of LeFevor or Tony Pike. Frankly I don’t like anything about quarterbacks out of the first round. However there’s only 2 first round quarterbacks this year and I only really like Bradford. Tebow has first round body and first round mind but a goofy release that everyone says is too slow and too low. Sounds like a much more athletic Bernie Kosar. I just think Tebow will be a good NFL qb if someone coaches him up on the mental aspects.
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He has nowhere near the arm strength, accuracy, or ability to read a defense that kosar had when they came out. the only similarity is the release.
no, his accuracy is on film worse that Kosar was in his career. Thats because Kosar was fantastically accurate. Reading the defense remains to be seen, Tebow can probably learn an NFL playbook.
As for sheer arm strength, Tebow is significantly better than Bernie ever was. Tebow has a strong arm and vastly more athleticism.
The knocks on tebow are accuracy and throwing mechanics, I think he has the will and the physical tools to make something of his NFL career. I’m not going to bet against him.
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tebow does NOT have a strong arm. he has an average arm but it looks stronger b/c he is pretty accurate on deep throws. he is accurate on his deeper throws but can’t hit the short and intermediate, just like DA. in that sense in accuracy, he is like DA except with average arm strength and a ball that floats.
there are much more knocks than just accuracy and throwing mechanics.
How about:
Doesn’t throw the ball smooth (not accuracy, not really mechanics)
Doesn’t make pro style progression reads
Doesn’t make good reads in general (when he makes them)
Locks on to primary rteceiver
Tucks and runs way too often.
And he goes to a school that produces a lot of QB busts.
I agree. Unless you have a good guy at QB (like Manning or Brady) don’t take mid-round QBs. You either need one enough to draft him in the first (sometimes second if you really like them) but not in the 3rd or 4th.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Browns end up with Marc Bulger and we draft someone.
I would be totally cool with that. I think Bulger has some left in the tank if he is protected.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
any idea on the conditional pick?
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No, plus I wouldn’t put much stock in the rumor.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
3rd.
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use the reply button please.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
this is off topic as well, and maybe u guys already talked about it, but how sick is the Jets D gonna be next season.
There are going to live and die on the outside.
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by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Word on the street is the Cardinals are interested in Derek Anderson. Apparently they don’t think the “Nick Lachey Hottub Experience” running their offense is a good look for them.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
What street is this? I live in Phoenix and haven’t heard anything. Not saying your wrong, just would like to see it myself, so I can send the depressing news to my friends.
I’m going to laugh when this happens in 2011.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Peppers is a Bear, per Schefter. That has potential to be a scary defense again, especially if the Bears pick up a good safety.
I will be very interested to see if this means Tommie Harris gets cut. That was the rumor going around.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Trade up how? They dont’ have a 1st or 2nd round pick this year. They better hope a guy like Morgan Burnett slips to the 3rd.
damn, forgot they had their second gone too, lol
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I asked this earlier on a different post…does anyone know off hand what the overall numbers we pick in Rd 2 of the draft?
or do u mean order, we have 6th pick of 2nd rd
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
this is the post of the day: what if cleveland trades one of its 3rds to minnesota for travaris jackson….trained in the west coast offense but unproven……you get rid of anderson & we need a backup to push quinn at anyrate
now that intrigues me a bit, we’ve never had an athletic type QB like that, but i dunno about a 3rd
by BrutalMovement on Mar 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
troy smith doesnt know the west coast offense though….and he’s short and quinn is more athletic then him.
You seem to still be of the mind that Quinn should start. I’ve been over that notion pretty much since we drafted him.
I am not in love with Brady quinn. But frankly the cost of another QB experiment is just too high. Bradford is a question mark, Clausen is the next Matt Lineart. Any QB after the first round has the odds heavily stacked against him. I wouldn’t waste the draft pick when we could add to our Defense or O line. Theres another draft next year and I promise it will have QBs too.
I hate to say this but the one QB i would consider drafting is Tebow. He seems like the one guy you couldn’t wait and get a carbon copy of next year. He has all the size you want in an NFL QB and is a freak athlete. Not to mention Intangibles out the wazoo. All the talk about a funky release and such is a pile if you ask me, Bernie had the worst sidearm release you’d ever seen, but he won a lot of football games.
Not to say I want to draft Tebow, but if I had to take a qb this year, that’s the guy I wouldn’t bet against.
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Tebow needs to go to a good team with a QB already so he can sit back and learn for 2-3 years (like Tony Romo & Aaron Rodgers had to).
He should NOT, under any circumstances, start in 2010.
And please stop with the comparisons to Bernie Kosar. Kosar was slow to deliver, but very very accurate. Tebow is not accurate. More a worse version of Vince Young.
I totally agree. didn’t kosar also have a pretty solid arm (when it came to arm strength). tebow doesn’t. he also doesn’t have experience reading a defense and is too much of a running QB.
tebow has considerably more arm strength than Kosar. Accuracy however, definitely Kosar had more than what Tebow has shown so far.
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I disagree. tebow has pedestrian arm strength really. kosar wasn’t that bad…
Accuracy, DA almost has more than what tebow had in college. He also floats his passes in there and has horrible touch on passes. when I say he doesn’t make reads, that is somewhat false though. he DOESN’T make reads period.
This is what tebow does, he has a staring contest with his #1 receivers back of the head. when he figures out that guy is covered, he ducks and runs.
All of you, please stop talking about Bernie at once. It’s depressing me. Thanks!
(Just kidding, just kidding. And wistfully remembering when we had a deadly accurate QB who could vivisect an opposing defense.)
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 7, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I have made it pretty well known that I am not a fan of taking a QB late and letting him develop.
But we have the one guy who has had a knack for making that work. Holmgren groomed Aaron Brooks, Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck in back-up roles.
If Colt McCoy is there in the third, I would love to take him and let him learn for a year behind a Bulger type guy.
I know that Holmgren isn’t the coach, but with his eye for QB talent and Gil Haskell having input, I would be very happy with this arrangement.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
why is Clausen Leinart?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen that @hole? God I just want to slap him. Spiked blonde hair, popped collar d-bag.
Ugh.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
I agree, pretty boy California Surfer attitude. They can have him out in Seattle or wherever. Give me a big 10 or SEC guy thanks (Ryan Mallett? he played for Michigan AND Arkanas)
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Yea, cuz that’s the only way a QB can be succesful.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Brady? big 10.
Peyton Manning? SEC
Drew Brees? Big 10
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Way to completely miss my point.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just having a little fun at Clausen’s expense, I’m not a fan of Clausen but it’s not because he went to ND or is from California.
Still, this is Cleveland, me-first types just don’t get much support from our fans (see Edwards, Braylon) If Clausen is like that, I don’t want him. Pretty sure I don’t want him anyway.
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Cleveland fans — just like fans of any team — will support a me-first player if he’s playing well and we’re winning. We supported jerks like Albert Belle, remember?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 5, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Albert belle wasn’t a me-first player. He was just a surly asshole who didn’t like the media (me and him have that in common) He left for more money but that is just the norm nowadays, we low-balled him a little bit and his hip degenerated after he left the club, making us look smart.
He was a player who was incredibly focused and intense, completely dedicated to winning above all else. Think more Michael Jordan with worse public relations skills and a little shorter fuse.
Albert bell was the exact opposite of a lackadaisical guy who only plays for the check and takes plays off. He would probably turn over a clubhouse buffet table and scream at a teammate who was one, actually.
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I was being sarcastic. Albert Belle ran over some trick or treaters.
Dude was a prick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
lets get clear, he just bumped them by mistake, and they egged his house.
Belle wasn’t the nicest guy, but he gave more than his fair share of effort on the field. I’d take that guy on my team anytime. The embodiment of focus and determination.
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He bumped them by mistake? C’Mon, lets be real here.
And the time he threw the ball into the chest of a fan?
Or in College when he went into the stands after a player?
Like I said before, Prick.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I heard the egg came 1st.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Just reinforces the theory that people who dislike Clausen do because he went to ND
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
And because he’s a prick that causes himself physical pain at Pub’s.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, cause drunk people (guy who punched him) are always known for their great decision making.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the blame was placed on Clausen though. It’s pretty simple, don’t be a dick to a drunk.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard that the drunk guy ran into Clausen’s girlfriend when they were walking out. Clausen moved him out of the way, he got punched. WHAT A DICK!
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
This is what happened that fateful night:
(Our hero is leaving a bar outside of South Bend at closing time)
Jimmy Clausen: Wow, Jimmy sure is tired.
Girlfriend: From that game today babe?
Jimmy: From wha? No, Jimmy is tired from fist pumping like a champ out there on the dance floor! Didn’t you see Jimmy? Jimmy told you to watch him!
Approaching fan: Tough loss today Jimmy. We’ll get em next week!
Jimmy: Whoa Bro! Don’t be accusing Jimmy of losing that game! Check your program bro, Jimmy doesn’t play defense! Don’t make Jimmy pop his collar on you Bro!
Fan: What? I was wishing you luck next week.
Jimmy: Jimmy doesn’t need luck or voodoo! Jimmy makes his own luck! Jimmy controls the fate of everyone he comes into contact with! Better be careful, Jimmy can give you cancer!
Fan: Your a real jerk man. I will pray for you tomorrow at mass.
Jimmy: Jimmy’s not done (punches fan in back), don’t ever turn your back on Jimmy!
(Fan turns around and punches Jimmy in eye)
Girlfriend to fan: Why would you do that? He didn’t do anything to you!
Jimmy on the ground: JIMMY’S DOWN! JIMMY NEEDS MEDICAL ATTENTION! WHY WOULD ANYONE CAUSE HARM TO JIMMY!
And now you know the rest of the story…
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
JIMMY’S DOWN!
Fantastic. Simply fantastic.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll admit, that was an epic win, Bernie.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
it was actually proven, by the fact that QB’s draw the most attentions because they’re the leaders of the team. Who the hell cares enough to hate on a quiet WR?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what you are disputing, just that Clausen is not hated because of the school he attends. I am not disputing that Clausen is hated in general for other reasons.
Of course it has a lot to do with him attending Notre Dame. If you think it doesn’t than you’re kidding yourself. Notre Dame is the Yankees of college football (without all the winning). Some of it probably has to do with his personality, or what people think they know about him, but if he was the QB of Kansas State or Purdue or Arizona or Wake Forest or any other mediocre college team then he wouldn’t be nearly as hated.
I don’t really think comparing him to Golden Tate disproves anything. He’s not nearly as well-known as Clausen because of the position he plays. It’s not a valid comparison.
I agree.
With you.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with Brad.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well people hate the QB of a team they hate the most.
I’ll admit that I hate Leinart and Palmer more than I hate Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
1. Clausen hate is mostly just ND hate.
2. If you really beleive he will suck because you think he is a D-bag, I guess Rivers is the worst QB ever.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
1. Clausen hate is mostly just ND hate
I have supported Brady Quinn to death on this site, as have many others. I don’t like Clausen because he is comes off like a punk. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be a good QB.
Why is it always ND hate for you?
If you really beleive he will suck because you think he is a D-bag, I guess Rivers is the worst QB ever.
Nope, I just think Rivers is an asshat. Kinda like Clausen is an asshat.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
what makes Rivers an asshat? Seems like he handled the whole “eli manning cried and forced the giants to trade me out here” situation pretty well.
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I have gone over this before.
Here is that conversation with a Chargers fan.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll admit he was a punk when he first came in, but he REALLY matured over 3 years.
Over the offseason he invited Kyle Rudolph, Michael Floyd, Golden Tate (and maybe Armando Allen too), to his home so they could all practice together in the offseason. Asshats don’t do that.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody ever try to use Yahoo Sports for their updates on Cleveland? Do they only update that site at 12am each day. Lately there hasn’t been anything posted through out the day??? Thus why I am now on here…:)
I don’t know who posted the information about using the “z” key for new postings but THANK YOU!!! I was trying to scroll up and down like crazy and keep up with all the new posts.
Yeah that gets real old real quick.
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If you use the “C” key, it will keep the comment new for you to come back to. Unless you exit out of the thread, then it becomes unhighlighted.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Three.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
from Clayton, Banta-Cain deal 3 years/13.5 mil
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so the big 600lb gorilla question:
How does the Denver Broncos possibly acquiring the #6 overall pick affect our chances of getting Eric Berry?
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I was more worried about KC and Washington than Seattle. Doesn’t change a whole lot for me. If Berry’s gone, I think we end up taking Haden.
I’m iffy on McClain, if only b/c we got a LOT of LBs last year that didn’t get too much playing time until the end of the season. Veikune, Maivia, Roth, Benard. That’s on top of David Bowens, D’Qwell Jackson…
I’m not saying we’re set at LB, but there’s enough youth and depth there to develop as opposed to last year where I would’ve KILLED for Aaron Curry.
Now look at last season’s CB lineup: we entered camp with Eric Wright, Rod Hood, Corey Ivy, B-Mac, Hank Poteat, Coye Francies, and Don Carey. Two of those didn’t make it through camp, Francies hardly saw the field, I’d rather put Mangini himself in than line up B-Mac against a #2 WR, and Poteat’s a born nickel/dime back.
We need another corner BADLY.
We still don’t have a good ILB though.
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Say what you want about tackles as a stat, but you have to be fairly good to lead the league in tackles like DQ did. He’s above average.
It also helps when no one around you has much talent, when combined with an iffy offense.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think it does affect it a bit. There was the chance that seattle would pass on a QB. there is also the chance that QB goes #1 and then #4 to the redskins…the redskins are not completely out of taking a QB with their pick. shanahan did pick cutler.
with denver picking there, they will likely take Dez Bryant. they are tired of Marshall and with him gone obviously need a receiver. they might also consider McClain b/c they could use some help on the inside.
This couldn’t be a better deal for the broncos. If they get the #6 pick in the draft, they can add Dez Bryant AND rolando McClain. If you listen closely you can hear miami Dolphin fans cutting themselves.
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Or ravenously eating trainers.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Without giving it much thought I would think they go Haden or Bryant. In terms of taking Berry, I am more worried about Denver than Seattle.
I never thought Carrol would have wanted Berry that high.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the Seahawks have the 6th and 14th? If they do have those picks, and sign Marshall, are they required to give up the 6th?
Yes, they have to give up “their” pick.
Since record wise they have the 6th pick, that is the one they have to give up.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
That Daniel Jeremiah guy knows his stuff. He called the Burleson contract before it happened on his twitter feed.
He has some really good sources.
He has someone in the know in Cleveland. Anything he drops about the Browns is really, really solid.
That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we went after Morrison.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I saw an expose on Joe Montana’s kid a few months back. When does he hit the NFL???? Thinkin he was in high school
Wonder if he is as good as the ol man….that will be interesting to watch. He playing football there?
He doesn’t really have NFL size and wasn’t THAT good coming out of high school. Just sayin.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
The Cleveland Browns and return specialist Josh Cribbs finally put an end to their long contract dispute.
Cleveland agreed to restructure the final three years of Cribbs’ deal that will pay a maximum of $18.5 million over that span. No new years were added to the original contract
my question is this….yes we think he is worth it right now b/c he is all we had…will he be worth that if we begin to build a team that doesn’t rely on special teams to win games, but rather a D and O that gets the job done
to be clear….I’m not saying special teams aren’t important….I’m saying just how much is too much to pay a special teams player
Presuming we build an offense worth a damn, the field position we start with off every kick off and punt is only going to help the team.
He touched the ball less than any offensive skill position player, yet he scored more TDs than all of them except Jerome Harrison.
I agree completely right now…however, I’m just saying 6mil a year for a kick returner is not how I run my team. If our offense becomes worth anything, doesn’t matter as long as we aren’t on our own 5yd line starting out
You’re working in hypotheticals now. We’re not going to have a suddenly explosive offense. This locks up a great weapon for three years, which is about as much as we’ll need to field a competitive team in the other two phases of the game and I’m being optimistic in that estimation.
Yes, we probably overpaid, but he’s still the best and most consistent player on the team and has been for three years.
No I agree.
We massively overpaid Josh Cribbs. From my understanding, the “new contract” replaces the final three years of his deal.
We are paying a kick returner and kick gunner six million dollars a season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have made the Cribbs contract its own thread.
This thread has gotten pretty big, so if you want to jump over here your computer may go a little faster.
We can continue the Free agency talk there also.
Lookin like another year of nothing for us.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:20 PM EST reply actions
Ok this is a big IF, but. IF they try and push Scott Fujita as a big free agent acquisition… I’ll be pessimistic about the Holmgren Regime already.
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Atleast wait until the draft. We can draft good players or use are picks to trade for good players with good contracts without splurging on aging expensive players.
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I just wish the draft was this week, so my favorite second round sleeper wouldn’t sneak into the first round (yep now i said it, hes definitely going to)
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Who?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I like him okay, but I think he is pretty muched maxed out in terms of potential.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Seneca Wallace….http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/196838.asp
I mean, that’s not terrible, but still Troy Smith is younger and we could get him for a fifth round pick.
True. I mean, Wallace isn’t Spergeon Wynn by any stretch, but he’s not a free agent of any kind. Just ponderous as to who we’d trade to get him.
no thanks on Seneca Wallace. If we need a guy like that we could acquire Troy Smith or Tim Tebow. Frankly I don’t want anybody who could challenge Brady in camp. Make Quinn “the guy” and see how he responds.
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Wallace is a good backup, but no chance of being a starter.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone worry about “overpaying”. We have about 6 guys that are getting payed a lot and only 1 is really too much.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 12:43 AM EST reply actions
I will answer this question because I think I am the main guy crowing about overpaying. Sorry, this will be long, but it was needed.
The Browns have a very unique opportunity, along with the rest of the NFL, in this uncapped season. Teams can act one of two ways, they can spend money willy-nilly and hope that this moment of weakness never comes back to bite them in the ass, or they can do the smart thing.
The smart thing to do is rid themselves, penalty free I might add, of horrible contracts and players that have out-lived their usefulness. They have a chance to press the reset button on some bad ideas.
The Browns have started this with the Stallworth release. They did the impossible and got a pick for a player they were going to cut in Williams. They should continue and really cut off any excess fat on this roster (looking at you Mr. St. Clair).
The players union is starting to put 2 and 2 together. They are figuring out that the salary cap was the best thing going for them. It kept all franchises competitive and spread out the spending. 32 teams spending 110 million each means that there is a lot of money to go around. Baseball only 10 teams spend that kind of money, because they don’t have the financial system that the NFL has.
Why is this important? I think it is a pretty good indicator that the NFL will have a salary cap in the next CBA. The players will demand it. Unless the union leadership craps the bed (which I think there could be a chance, DeMaurice Smith is in WAAAY over his head) there will be a cap in ’11.
When that bill comes due, would you rather have a roster that has been trimmed down to the best players at the smallest price, or an 34 YO RB being paid 6 million a season and a 32 YO DE being paid 91 million?
Yes, these days may be boring watching all the “talent” being snapped up by desperate front offices, but it two seasons when the Browns have 65 million dollars in cap space and can sign young Bears like Johnny Knox or young Lions like Louis Delmas, you will look back at this offseason and say “Damn the Browns were actually really smart”.
That is why we should still be worrying about “overpaying” in an uncapped season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Does St. Clair really have that bad of a contract?
I know he sucks but if we cut him we will only have Pork Chop to play on the right side.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I am expecting more additions like Pashos in the future.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
best players at the smallest price
The problem is, we don’t have these best players. We have a few but not enough to be competitive.
Then you say we can sign Delmas or Knox in the future, but what if they get offered a lot of money by some team and we stick to the idea that we don’t want fat contracts on our team.
I just don’t want us to be like a rich person who is too scared to spend his money.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully we are being a rich person who spends their money wisely.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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But if everyone is being overpayed….
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kind of hard to explain what i mean. I don’t mean overpaid in the sense of the size of the contract. One might say all athletes are overpaid already, some could say they are overpaid. I mean overpaid in the sense of what you are getting for your money relative to that players value (age, experience, talent, etc.)
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About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Maybe this will help.
If Player X, who we will give the value of 90 (think Madden rankings for example), is paid $40 million.
vs.
If Player Y (draft pick or much lesser FA), who we will give the value of 75 (Again, Madden rankings) is paid $850k per season.
By rights you should be able to use that extra money to address other, more important, areas of your team.
I think that is what Villeslgr is talking about.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
You still need to have those 90s on your team.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not against those 90s, just don’t want to pay them more than they’re worth. Especially if they were a 95 the year before, a 96 before that a 98 before that, and a 99 before that.
I’d rather pay less for a 88, that was an 85 the year before and who is appreciably younger.
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About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Correct.
This is why the draft is 10x more important than FA.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
But you still have to resign players, and that will cost a lot if they are good.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. But that’s not what we’re talking about . . . we’re talking about signing other team’s free agents, and that’s usually not a cost-effective way to build your team. If teams want to keep their good players they usually work out an extension before the player reaches free agency, and usually those contracts aren’t nearly as expensive as free agent contracts.
Nobody has a problem with spending money on talented players, we just want to do it the right way and not throw money around just because we can.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 7, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good teams do this.
Ravens defense has been built through the draft.
Steelers defense has been built through the draft.
Colts offense has been built through the draft.
Draft good players and spend money to keep them on your team. It is how good football teams have been staying good for years.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
and then there are those players like X who has a value of 90 and is payed 40 million, lets say over 5 years.
player Y has a rating of 88 and is payed 70 million over the same stretch because of how desperate the team is for the position, and how well a player fits.
Both players play positions that in general have a similar value but player y gets overpayed by team 1 because the team is more desperate for the certain position than team 2 is for player Xs position. Is it irrationally overpaying when you pay a guy a lot just because he fits a position of need?
You are forgetting a key point. The teams that are spending wildly now won’t have cap space in the future.
I just don’t want us to be like a rich person who is too scared to spend his money
If there was a player worth throwing money at, I would be with you. But as of right now, the free agent crop this year was really, really ugly as it concerned the Browns.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Question for people saying everyone is being overpayed:
If everyone is being overpayed, is anyone really being overpayed or do we just need to get used to increased salaries?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Salaries may increase but that doesn’t mean that the person who receives that salary is bringing you the value you need for the amount you’re spending. As salaries increase there will still be players who will receive contracts that will appear to be a case of overspending.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
salaries will come down some with the new CBA. the Salary cap will be smaller than it was (per the economy shrinking) and big guaranteed contracts for unproductive old players will be big trouble. the word Overpay means pay more than they are worth.
I can’t believe how bad the Peppers and Rolle contracts are. Karlos Dansby is an elite ILB, but even an elite player at his position isn’t worth the money he just got paid, he is only 5% better at the point of attack then the guy the phins just cut to make room for him.
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The Browns used to be the team that set the market with the big contracts. So did the Redskins.
If you look at the smart teams like the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, Eagles you rarely see them making a big splash in free agency except (and this is a key point) when the re-sign their own players. Occasionally a smart team will shell out a lot of cash for a player at a premium position (think Asante Samuel) but it happens every few years and typically when the team feels it is a player away.
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