Cribbs gets his new contract
According to MKC of the Plain Dealer, Josh Cribbs and the Browns have agreed to a new contract.
Replacing the final three years of his original contract, Cribbs will now make up to 20 MIL, with 7.5 MIL of that guaranteed.
Josh Cribbs will now be paid more per season than Devin Hester.
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i’d say this is fair, right?
keeps him happy, doesn’t extend our exposure to a position with short staying power.
win-win.
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its not fair< he signed the orig. he should of stood by that. I am glad he will be here to help us!!!
by James W Masitto Jr. on Mar 6, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
per the MKC at the PD:
$20 million contract, including $7.5 million guaranteed.
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at first glance, i want him to be more involved in the offense at this price.
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Ehh, I wouldn’t force it if it isn’t going to help the team. He just isn’t very good at doing receiver-like things.
Flash packages about 6-10 snaps per game; option to run or pass. He’s shown plenty ability to run out of the backfield, but if he’s not a threat to throw it, that will limit its effectiveness after scouts have had an offseason to pick it apart.
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I agree running back/QB & let him throw @ QB not fake then run, teams will put a stop to it!
by James W Masitto Jr. on Mar 6, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
If he isn’t this is a really bad contract.
I love Cribbs, but 6-7 million a season is insane for a kick returner.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
My thinking as well. This is a hell of a lot of money for a special teams player. He’d better contribute a lot on offense to make this worthwhile.
VORP makes this deal fine for me. He’s arguably the greatest returner in NFL history, and the value of even two extra touchdowns can flip a season. The Browns field position was consistently one of the best in the league with him as well. I don’t have much problem overpaying for rare value.
problem is, we had him at peanuts and he had absolutely no bargaining power.
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None. Less than none.
Was he going to sit and pout for 3 years? Really?
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And what value does that add to the Browns, other than raise their miser impression around the league? Sometimes, it is ok to “overpay” if the alternative is a drastic drop in production.
The point is, he wouldn’t have sat out. The choice for the Browns was quite simply Cribbs or Cribbs. Sure, he would have been upset, but at least for another year no agent was going to seriously let him holdout when the Browns had three years left on his deal.
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He and his agent knew that, that’s why they made such a big public stink. He needed the fans to be behind him. The whole “pay the man” campaign worked. It’s all behind us now and I’m glad. Cribbs got what he deserves and luckily isn’t the kind of player who will now get lazy and slack off now that he got a paycheck. Let’s just hope he can maintain His production for the life of the contract.
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Name one team that has made a malcontent player sit out the remainder of his contract without trading or releasing him.
It always ends in early release or trade. I would prefer to keep him.
you can’t “sit out a contract” the team can void that year and make the contract still have 3 years remaining. You play or you can’t get out of the contract. However, more than likely he would get released or whatever like you said.
I’m just glad they paid him and the contract really isn’t too bad, especially if he contributes on offense.
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Closest thing I can think of was the Seahawks with Joey Galloway.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 8, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, it is a game of chicken that never leads to a full out collision.
I just think that in this case, with the Browns having all the cards, Cribbs would have flinched first. Just like he did last year. And he would have played this season.
Now in 2011, with only 2 years remaining, I could see him wanting to restructure his deal and forcing the Browns’ hand. And I guess the best part of this deal is that we avoid the potential for future drama. At least until 2012.
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so true! but thanks to old top brass, what could the new guys do!!! Thanks little useless Phil Savage!!
by James W Masitto Jr. on Mar 6, 2010 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
I th ink the 20 mil is heavily tied to incentives though. So if he were to earn all of that, he would have made it worth it.
The PD article quotes his agent as saying those incentives are rather easily attainable, so if he repeats his ‘09 season for the next three years then he’ll make the maximum. So is the production we got from Cribbs this past season worth $7 million a year?
If this is true, then it is a bit of an overpay. I would be curious to learn more about the incentives…my understanding was that the deal would be structured such that he would be earning around 4 mil/year in the end.
Rickert said the incentives and escalators in the deal are "really attainable numbers. If he performs at 2009 levels, he’s likely to receive the maximum value of the contract.’’
There are six levels that Cribbs can reach in the deal, and one of the escalators can be reached by making the Pro Bowl in each of the next three seasons.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/cleveland_browns_josh_cribbs_s_2.html
Well, at least he is doing some positive things if he is to earn all of that money. Still seems a bit high, but only 3 years so it is not lethal.
He shouldn’t have been a WR2 to begin with. Put him in the slot, get him the ball in space, and treat his touches like punt returns. He’s an instinctive runner, not a route runner.
Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual assault by another woman.
I have a family member who attended Miami while he was there, and he was notorious for being ‘forceful’ with the ladies.
If I say anything good about Big Ben, I will let everyone know ahead of time that I am being serious.
Other than that, I crap on the dude a lot.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Big Ben is adequate and got carried to his two rings. I think Byron Leftwich could have two rings with that team.
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Eh.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Now that’s insane.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
its a little bit of an exaggeration but I do think that there are many QBs that could have won the SB…at least the first couple.
Trent Dilfer won a SB. Contrary to popular beliefs, the QB doesn’t have to win the game, he just has to not lose it.
Even if it is “more and more a QB’s league” its mostly economic, the Colts found it easier to fit an elite qb, elite DE, and good receiving corps under the salary cap than a hall of fame LT good line, elite RB, 3 or 4 impact defenders, including hall of famers Ray Lewis, Ed Reed.
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You’re forgetting that those Patriots teams weren’t loaded on offense. They won Super Bowls with average RB’s and WR’s. They didn’t have any big playmakers on offense. Tom Brady made that offense great.
So, Bledsoe wouldn’t have been able to lead them to a Super Bowl victory?
I’m still going to say that that first Super Bowl wasn’t because of “the great” Tom Brady, but because of the system he was dropped in. That defense and a technicality (the tuck rule), paired with the possible taping of St. Louis is what allowed them to eek out that first Super Bowl.
What “system” did NE run on offense that enabled Brady to be great?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 6, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, more to the point. It was the defense (and to a lesser extent the special teams) that allowed them to get the first Super Bowl win.
No doubt that this provided a spring board for Brady’s career as one of the greatest quarterbacks in the game, but it has to be mentioned that the defense was the key. Brady threw for one touchdown against the Rams (the other touchdown being a pick six). and sustained two drives that ended in field goals (including the game winner). But being able to hold one of the most prolific scoring teams in NFL history to only 17 points is what ultimately won them the game.
It’s just hard to say that he made that offense better than what Bledsoe would have in [Brady’s] rookie campaign.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
good deal for the browns I think. Josh Cribbs isn’t just a special teamer. He is a possible hall of famer who should finish his career with the Cleveland Browns. Vocal team leader and Dynamic player on offense. Heart and Soul of this team and the ultimate Mangini guy. Worth every penny.
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Any WR that is covered by Brandon McDonald is the games best tackle breaking WR.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Schefter notes that KC is in on it as well.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe Jim Sorgi is being cut. Over/Under on how long it takes the Colts organization to fall apart?
by gahnki on Mar 5, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Who would play QB week 15, 16, and 17?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why not? The season would be over regardless. McNabb on the Colts wins 7 games.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
WHAT?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Manning is the best QB, but he isn’t 7 wins different than McNabb
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my main question on the Cribbs deal is what the hell did the Browns get out of this?
Didn’t get any extra years. Seems like the Browns just gave in.
Well, depends on if you believe Cribbs was going to not play another play for the team without a new deal, which I think was the case.
just outta curiousity, is there a penalty that comes with “not playing”. Like your salary is cut/reduced/ect??
sounds like a big, huge flaw in the system…I knew players held out and ect…but thought there was a penalty for doing those things
You can sit out up to week 8 with just forfeiting your salary and any fines that the team drops on you.
If a player skips more than that, they don’t accrue a “year” on their contract.
So if a player has a three year contract and sits out a season, he would still have three years remaining after the season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
There is. Players can’t just sit out and still get paid. Nobody would be dumb enough to have a loophole like that in the system.
NBA would disagree.
Right Tracy McGrady?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
So I can sign a contract to work for you, decide later I don’t like what your paying me, so I just quit working for you, but you keep paying me until you either cut me or trade me. that just seems flawed to me
Dude, read again:
“You can sit out up to week 8 with just forfeiting your salary and any fines that the team drops on you.”
ok, so let me get this straight with my “special” moment I’m having here….you sit out up to 8wks…after that then you lose your salary, correct?
You won’t get paid until you show up.
When the player reports, he has to pay the fines (Probably a good chunk of money at this point).
After all that, then the player will start being paid again if he stays with the team.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Having said that, I don’t think Cribbs will do what he’s doing now beyond another 3 years. He’s not as fast as Deion Sanders and you’d have to think he’d get phased out of the offense if we picked up some skills position players worth a damn.
I’d have been more upset if we signed him for another six years. 3 years I can deal with.
I guess my main question on the Cribbs deal is what the hell did the Browns get out of this?
The Browns organization avoids a massive fan backlash in Cribbs favor, if a deal hadn’t been done and Cribbs sat.
Who cares?
Winning brings in more fans than Josh Cribbs. I say that as a huge JC fan.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
We would’ve gotten over it.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
You think you know more than the Holmgren FO? Josh is a football player’s football player. He is not only the greatest kick returner of all time, he’s an ace gunner. He eats nails. You almost cannot hurt the man. He’s a beast. Relax and enjoy the Josh show. The man earns it every game. He has never ever mailed in a play.
Right. If the Browns traded Cribbs the fans would complain until the Browns won their next game then most people would have moved on. There wouldn’t have been a “massive” fan backlash.
Hey, I’m just sayin’, it was worth $20 million to avoid the situation, to them at least.
But yes, SB is right, we’d have gotten over it… eventually.
Lastly, this contract helps us win if it keeps Cribbs on the field. You’re last state can go hand in hand, doesn’t have to be one or the other.
How is it worth $20 million just to avoid getting some fans upset? The fans are still going to go to buy the tickets and the merchandise whether Cribbs was on the team or not.
You might be able to put some value on the team showing loyalty to one of its players, but that number sure as heck isn’t $20 million.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
But that $20 MIL, or 15 MIL, could have been spent elsewhere.
Maybe that $20 MIL and a third could have been Boldin. Or Cromartie.
Whenever I have been in a negotiation it has always been a give and take. I just have a hard time seeing what we got back in return with this deal.
Yeah Cribbs could have sat out, but that would have been hurting him more than the Browns.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
look cribbs only got $7.5 million in guarantees. Peppers got $40 million and hes fucking old. The cribbs deal is great, he has to play at an elite level to make his $20 million and if he does he is worth every penny. The Browns made the right move (oh my god my head just exploded)
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First of all, relax.
We are allowed to have different opinions.
I don’t care what Peppers got. As for Cribbs, I am going to go out on a limb and predict that he is going to hit some incentives (as Brad posted earlier, some of these may be easy to reach)>
To be honest with you, I was in the camp that thought 3.5-4 million was way to much money to pay Cribbs.
Until he learns to be a WR, he shouldn’t be paid starters money.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
He is a team leader, an example younger players can follow. If you have a team of TOs and Brandon Marshalls, the guys you draft follow suit. If you have a Josh Cribbs to set a good example, that’s the Mangini way. Team leaders who put their head down and play hard, love football.
Also he headlined the single best (by far) special teams unit in the league. Might as well keep up what the Browns actually did well last year.
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Every team has plenty of players who play hard and love football. Alt that crap is way overblown.
Talent wins football games.
Not true, this isn’t the NBA. The most talented team doesn’t always win. Talent is nice, but good scheme and team chemistry is at least equally important. We saw at the end of last year what can happen when a team decides to play harder than the other guy. Nobody dogging it, Josh Cribbs among team leaders putting forth a good example. That kind of attitude is contagious. Football is all about the TEAM. Talent is nice but it doesn’t guarantee anything.
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talent is the most important thing. good scheme, good chemistry, and hard work take that talent to championships. i agree with both you and brad, and think you are both right.
Right.
Look at the Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson. Micheal Irvin was stabbing people with scissors.
They were just so freaking talented it didn’t matter. Talent is greater than anything.
Why do you think TO keeps getting jobs?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
There’s having an unusual personality and then there’s not working hard on the field. TO never ever let his on field production slip, and though he had some drops he always worked hard on and off the field, even in blocking and stuff.
the 90s cowboys had talent, but they also had scheme and attitude. they didn’t just win on talent alone they had good scheme on offense, and that smaller, faster 4-3 slide defense that Jimmy Johnson innovated at Miami. Just because a team’s identity is flash and swagger doesn’t mean that they aren’t all buying into teamwork. They were good because they had enough talent, they were great because they played as a team.
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Of course good coaching and good schemes matter. Nobody is disputing that. But that doesn’t rebuke our arguments. We’re saying getting talented football players is more important than getting football players not as talented who are “hard workers” with good “attitudes” playing football the “right way” like you are saying. Good coaches can get talented football players to play hard. All players want to win so they’re going to try hard on the field. You can give a few examples of divas on bad teams who didn’t try hard, but those players are the exception. Talented players win games.
That’s why you don’t pay a player for having a good attitude or a good work ethic. You want them to have those things, of course, but most players do. You pay them based on the talent they have which will help you win games. Period.
He could have sat. He could have demanded a trade. He could have given less than his best effort if he decided to play. By renegotiating, we are keeping a content Pro Bowler. Not saying I would have given him as much as we did, but the idea of renegotiating I am perfectly fine with.
All good points, I just have a hard time being okay with that price.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares about the price? If it limits our options, then yes it’s a problem, but when has money been a problem for the Browns?
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
If the cap returns after this season, which I fully expect it to, then it is a huge issue.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
That we had to hire Dawn Aponte. Who wouldn’t even offer Cribbs a contract of 3 million.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
we had no draft picks and were squeaking under the cap because of big dumb contracts for braylon, K2, Corey WIlliams, Shaun Rogers, Eric Stenbach (highest paid guard in the nfl at the time)
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Well in 2008 when we were in need of CB help, we passed on Ty Law and other options because Savage admitted we were at our limit financially.
Mangini went ahead and traded Winslow, cut Kevin Shaffer, cut Willie MCginest and did not pursue re-signing Andra Davis or Sean Jones. These were all fairly high paid players from the previous season.
The 20 seems high, but I really do think that the full amount is not likely to be attained through difficult to reach incentives. I would look closer at the 7 million guaranteed number and maybe slightly over for the amount that Cribbs will likely get. I’d say it’s more like a 10-11 million deal over 3 years. Not near as bad.
That’s what I think. Whatever those clauses are, I wonder how attainable they will be in the second and third years. Especially if he gets more plays on offense (article also mentions DB) and if our D improves, shrinking kick return chances.
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its 7.5 million, thats all the money we sunk into him. Cribbs has to have seasons like last year to get the full value of the contract. Frankly Cribbs 2009 was a hall of fame-type year. If he keeps that up he is worth every penny and then some.
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I’m not really sure how you can say it ws a hall-of-fame type year. I don’t think there are any hall of famers who were mainly special teams players so I have no idea how you decided his season was HOF-worthy. I think that’s a stretch.
Again, I love Cribbs, but some people seem to be overvaluing him.
dude had 4 special teams touchdowns. He literally was our whole offense in a couple of games.
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That’s only because the rest of our offense was so bad. That doesn’t make him a better player or more valuable than he actually is, just because our offense is comparably weak.
Do you pay Al Jefferson the same money that you’d give Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade just because he’s the best player on the Timberwolves? Just because his teammates suck doesn’t make him more valuable.
On the other hand, personally, I think some people are undervaluing him.
However, I’m not sure I agree with HOF-worthy, but he did way more for this franchise last year than people are giving him credit for.
I think people are giving Cribbs plenty of credit for the great things he does. But that doesn’t mean we need to exaggerate and start throwing around Hall of Fame just to make him sound really important.
Nobody has ever done more than he has at his position, nobody. His special teams excellence is Hall of Fame level. His work on offense is just gravy man, and I’m sure it could increase next year. Cribbs is a playmaker who does everything you could want from an NFL star. He has carved a niche for himself and his unique skillset. He is our All-Pro and was not demanding the moon and the stars.
Did you catch that Julius Peppers presser? Dude seemed like he didn’t even know what team he just signed with, he was euphoric and his pupils might as well have been shaped into dollar signs. Cribbs is nothing like that, he loves the Browns and loves football.
More than just a kick returner, a lot more. 7.5 million guaranteed is a bargain for what Cribbs brings to the table in terms of effort, attitude, talent, and commitment. Without question a team leader and the sparkplug for our meager success last year.
Worth. Every. Penny.
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Although I think everything that anyone has to say about Cribbs on both sides has been said on this forum in the past couple of months, this.
Attaboy Josh. Now go out there and keep proving that you’re worth it.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 5, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I still want to know how you’re so certain that he’s playing at a Hall of Fame level. There has never been a Hall of Famer who’s played mostly on special teams, so how are you so certain that Cribbs is at a Hall of Fame level? We don’t know what a Hall of Fame special teams player is because there has never been one.
And if all Cribbs cares about is playing football and he doesn’t care about money, then why did he do so much complaining about his contract this offseason? Why did he threaten to hold out and demand a trade? You are building him up to an impossibly high standard.
This is my problem with fans sometimes. They’re not happy enough with giving Cribbs the credit that he deserves so they make up all these superlatives that just aren’t true. He’s not some mythical god who doesn’t care about money and only plays for his love of football and Browns fans. That’s just ridiculous hyperbole. He wants his money just like everyone else. There is nothing wrong with that. He’s a great player and very valuable to the Browns. But all this exaggeration is not necessary and only hurts your argument because it’s obviously not true.
I’m so excited for all the possible signings and trade aways.
But I am heartbroken. Taylor was signed to be a #2 RB in Chicago, we might not get McNabb, and we really aren’t doing anything!
But I love the idea of trading DA, DQ and possibly BQ for draft picks and players. I’m loterally salivating.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Julius Peppers will join the Bears with a $72 million contract.
Bears also landed Chestor Taylor to 12.5 million over 4 years.
LINK
72? Gah.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Still. Gah.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Boldin is a Ratbird.
Ravens get AZ 5th rounder and Boldin
Cards get BALT 3rd and 4th
If he stays healthy it is a steal for Baltimore.
But thinking about it again, I wouldn’t have gave a 3rd and 4th.
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Really? You really expect your 3rd and 4th rounders to be better players than Boldin?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Boldin, no. But to get Boldin-like return there’s a chance.
Or you can use one of the picks to get a better pick in the 2nd.
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I’d take the sure thing.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
That “sure thing” is going to be 30 this season and has played 16 games ONCE since his rookie season.
Boldin isn’t a sure thing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. He has proven to be an awesome receiver.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Getting your face crushed and coming back to play professional football doesn’t make you awesome. In some aspects, it makes you stupid.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
He played in a pass crazy offense and his stats were decent.
Add in the fact that he is older and injury prone, it is a gamble.
Granted I would love him on the Browns, but he is far from a sure thing.
I would say it is 50/50 for him to get to 1,000 yards next season, and I would bet against it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
He is has an average 80 yards per game for his career. That is very good.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Cards had no issue replacing Boldin in the playoffs.
Breaston:
7 catches, 125 Yards, 1 TD
4 catches, 52 Yards
Doucet:
6 catches, 77 yards, 2 TD’s
8 catches, 68 yards
Not to mention that Breaston has 1,000 yards. That offense was a passing machine. Boldin is good, but he is far from a passing game savior.
Mark it down, Boldin doesn’t get to 1,000 yards next season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I like what the ravens did. Boldin is a good fit for them. He is a little bit like a Hines Ward, gives you hard work on the field, even if he isn’t a real flashy deep threat. The deal looks especially good since they got him pretty cheap.
The Ravens now have several steady targets in the passing game, they might not stretch the field too far but they really don’t have to. They most likely won’t be hitting dozens of deep strikes this year but I see their offense as productive and capable, especially since they have a good running game.
The window might close up pretty quickly, however. As Mason and Heap and pieces of that defense aren’t exactly spring chickens.
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The Ravens have a lot of old pass catchers.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think he still might come close. IF he can stay healthy I say he has a 60/40 shot to get 1,000 yards. I would say at this point, when healthy he is better than derek mason. mason had from what I remember, 1,000 yds last year.
Over the past three seasons Boldin has had 853 yards, 1038 yards, 1024 yards.
That is with an elite WR on the other side and a HOF throwing him the ball.
It could happen, but I reeeeally doubt it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, and 28 million dollar deal for Boldin.
Lot of money for a WR who has a hard time staying on the field.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pass. We have enough LBs that are nothing special.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Who?
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
From the Denver Post, Bannan signs a 5 year deal.
So he will not be visiting with the Browns Saturday.
Wow. Wtf?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
This way they cut out a couple years of waiting…. since they usually pick up discarded Browns DL. They didn’t even let him meet the Browns
by mich_n_trum84 on Mar 5, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
So, mortenson called us “aggressive”
Who else is wholely underwhelmed by the browns so far? not a peep about anquan, troy smith, or any other trades. Salary dump corey williams (well we got something for him) and our one free agent target is scott fujita?
I think the best news I’ve heard for the browns is that the redskins didn’t get Chad Clifton, meaning Berry might fall.
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shouldn’t there be some rumors around if the browns are being “aggressive” or are we just too cloak and dagger. If we are, its killing me.
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I think the Browns are waiting to see what shakes loose.
We are going to see some more good players get cut. Just because we didn’t sign any big names in the first hours doesn’t mean we don’t have some moves waiting to be made.
Plus a lot of the big names that were out there were poor fits with the Browns.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope we use the fact that we have a tremendously wealthy owner to take advantage of this uncapped season. I’m all for acquiring the contracts of Kerry Rhodes and Nnamdi if they are the right price in trade (not giving up first or second picks) and frontloading the money into the uncapped year.
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I’m thinking they are not wanting to overpay for players and are waiting to go after the guys who won’t command as much after the desperate teams overpay the first group of signees.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
we are a desperate team, and this season overpaying is going to be the norm.
probably dont want to plug too many gaps with veterans so we can get young guys in the draft and then be shitty again next year and have another high pick.
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we are a desperate team
We are the exact opposite. I think most smart fans know that barring an act of God, we are going to be in the area of 5-8 wins at best.
Now the Bears are desperate.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly the Bears had expectations and made a huge move for those expectations last year and got crap in return. Now they have to quickly restructure their plans to correct their mistakes from last year. We are a team that is building and that is aware of our current state. Because of this we aren’t reaching for older expensive players hoping they push us to the playoffs.
We are building a team, an organization, not trying to win the playoff lottery.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I don’t think we are a desperate team. And I think that is the difference between the Browns then and the Browns now. We are not a good/great team but we are not desperate. It’s a mindset. Desperate teams overpay for Julius Peppers. Trade for Boldin and then have to give him a big contract.
We are now a thinking planning team.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
This.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I also see this as being something that might have been overlooked when questions were asked about how well Mangini and Holmgren would work together. I see them both as being methodical planners and I think that bodes very well for our future successes.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
2 winning seasons since 1999 should make you pretty desperate to put a product on the field that the fans can be proud of.
Eric Mangini and Mike Holmgren know that they have two seasons to make this team at least decent or the optimism we have now will be out the window.
Urban Meyer said it best: “You turn the team around in two years or you are already gone.” The economics of the NFL might give you a little more time but job security in the NFL is a rumor outside of Pittsburgh.
These guys have been stringing us along with wait wait wait its time to do something that shows the fans you have some urgency, you are going to take advantage of every opportunity to get better. Even if we don’t make any big moves this off season, the front office should be leaking out rumors like wildfire so the fans and league get the idea that the Browns are planning on pulling out all the stops to put a winning product on the field.
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Mangini and Holmgren aren’t responsible for the seasons before last though. They should be given a clean slate to work on.
I’d give it something like 3 years and including Mangini’s first then this is the 2nd year. Last year we grabbed everybody we could. This year we should be calmer.
Even if we don’t make any big moves this off season, the front office should be leaking out rumors like wildfire
Completely unnecessary.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
Mangini might have two seasons but there’s no way they run Holmgren out after two seasons. The only way that happens is if Lerner sells the team. He has presided over too much turmoil already to run away a hall of fame coach, even if he is in a different role, after two years.
I don’t think the FO gives a damn about what the league or the fans think about their plans. They will sell tickets regardless of what rumors are heard by the fans. Their goal should be to put a winning product on the field, not to tell everyone they plan to.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Wow. I’m glad you’re not running the front office.
The team is going to do what it needs to do to win. It doesn’t give a damn about keeping the fans happy and it shouldn’t. If the team made moves based on what the fans wanted then we’d never win a game.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 6, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying do whatever the fans want. I’m saying do what it takes to make sure the fans think the team won’t just sit on the fact that we sell the stadium out every game even if the team is 5-11. do something that convinces us that the browns can compete for a championship and not 5 years down the road.
Be aggressive, if you have the best record, try and improve the team anyway, like Danny Ferry and the cavs. Find a way to make it seem like you are taking advantage of every possible opportunity to improve the team.
I’m not saying spend $100 million on the worlds most talented hotdog vender or bring in antonio “the next shawn kemp” cromartie, but if they try and sell Scott Fujita as the big acquisition and promise us more in the draft I won’t be happy.
They could have shelled out for a CB this year and then not have had to look at CBs in the draft.
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But how do you know we aren’t being aggressive?
No one has tried to sell Scott Fujita as the big acquisition – but even if they have, I’m sure they’ve made it in the interest of the team. If there is no one out there then there is no one out there. We can’t blindly go in for every DB out there.
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who knows what is going on behind closed doors i suppose. If the browns are wheeling and dealing, i wish there was some info out there is all. you never know, we might wake up tomorrow and have Thomas Jones and Nnamdi Asomugha
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Well I’ll be awake the whole time you’re asleep so I’ll keep my eyes open. TJ? Maybe.
I say no chance on Asomugha.
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the raiders want to move salary, bad supposedly. Guy can’t command too much in trade with his gigantic contract. I’d be in negotiations right now.
Of course Al Davis could have a wholly unreasonable view of his value, in which case I feel sorry for Asomugha, he is wasted on that team.
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The Boldin trade was a steal for the Ravens.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
This^1000
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
go back and look at our drafts on espn.com Phil Savage virtually always got good grades from Mel Kiper. Even being a draft winner sometimes doesn’t matter much. I’m just glad we have an established hierarchy and now the whole organization can fall into line.
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So we’re judging draft by Mel Kiper’s grades the day afterwards? That’s the only criteria you use? Really?
Yeah its nice to look at a draft years down the road, but at the time of the draft you never know which sixth rounder will be a contributor and which one will end up on the scrap heap. You don’t know who will be Richard Seymour and who will be Gerard Warren.
The next day is a good way to evaluate a draft in some ways because you are going on all the same information the team had at the time. Sometimes you just can’t foresee the big busts like Vernon Gohlston and the biggest hits like DeMarcus Ware.
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As Dorn said, Kiper gives almost every team an A or a B so it really dosn’t mean anything.
And some teams are capable of hitting on most of their picks and have very few busts, and those are the great teams.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 6, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. The browns can’t get it right in the draft, so I’d rather them try to get it right with proven players
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
the nice thing about free agency is: all it costs is money. With no salary cap you could fill one or two weaknesses in your team without giving up a football asset ( player or draft pick) If the Browns had one major target this year that they thought they had an opportunity to fill via free agency, and then went into the draft with one less need, it would be a good move.
Problem is that the market is just overpriced. The players that got signed yesturday could help your team, but they got grossly overpaid for their level of production. Not one of them (save perhaps Anquan boldin and Antonio Cromartie who were traded anyway) was really a good value for their new teams.
I remain optimistic that the Browns can get Thomas Jones to fill that “big RB” need for one or two seasons and perhaps fill one more need on this team with a trade before going into the draft.
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If the market is always overpriced, then maybe we just need to get used to the price.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Or we could just let the foolish teams keep spending.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. This year there was maybe two players I thought could help the browns. One was Karlos Dansby, but the dolphins paid entirely too much money for him to be considered responsible. The other was Dunta Robinson, but I get the idea that he wanted to go back home to Atlanta. Other than that I think the browns might be able to find some OL or DL depth if they wanted to but there aren’t any other impact players I would want in brown and orange.
They still might make some noise in trades, however. I think they could possibly land Greg Olson and if Asomugha is available you can bet they have at least made the phone calls.
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Right.
Look back to last season. Our best FA signing was considered low-key (Bowens) and our best players were already on our roster.
Danbsy would have been nice but he is an ILB being paid like a difference maker. Peppers has the talent, but he never seems interested in letting it show.
Robinson is an okay CB that is being paid to be elite.
I think the Browns will make some moves, but I doubt anything outside of QB will be of the WHOA magnitude.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
The foolish teams will still have talent. We don’t really know if there will ever be a cap again. We will look like a fool if we haven’t paid a FA more than a couple mill/a year and they decide not to bring the cap back.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think the cap will be back, even if it takes a form similar to the NBA. The NFL knows that parity is paramount and that it doesn’t want to resemble major league baseball.
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I hope you’re right.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I answered this question in another thread.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about the bears. The lions overpaid for their new WR but I think they did OK on defense.
I have read a few places that the Browns are actually very very active right now, burning up peoples phones actually. I’m wondering what that means, when are we going to hear some rumors about what the team is actually doing.
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Well where else would he play?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh. my bad
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because the Browns had bad drafts in the past I’m sure they will continue to have bad drafts in the future. As we all know, things in life never change. Even a new GM and new front office won’t change anything about our draft. We’ll always be terrible. We should just stop drafting players altogether and save ourselves the trouble.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 6, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarcastic as hell BB, but an excellent point.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 6, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I just had to skim through almost 700 new posts when I got home from work. You guys were busy today.
You’re doing good B19K. Thanks.
And good job Roethlisberger. This incident might just prove that you are guilty of the first accusation. Control yourself. You’re not above the law you pork faced jerk off. Go rot in a cell and fade away.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
So…. Karlos Dansby to Dolphins. I like what they are doing in Miami.
So much for that two year run of contention for the Cardinals, back to mediocrity for them.
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Not if they get DA.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, then they will be terrible.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Antrel Rolle is now the richest safety in NFL history. Giants gave him $37 million.
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That is f@%king ridiculous.
Giants go 9-7.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Would this affect contract negotiations with Berry?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope not, although I’ve never been in a contract negotiation with a sports agent. I’m not sure how much leverage veteran salary holds in rookie negotiations.
I agree. I think the team most affected will be the steelers. in many mocks I saw, earl thomas was going to the giants. if he wasn’t going there, he was going slightly later to the steelers…so now the steelers will likely get thomas.
When we sign him to his second contract it will.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Peppers is receiving 91.5 mill. not 72 mill. as previously thought.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
Would you have spent $100 million on Peppers??
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 5, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
This free agency is ridiculous. As stated above by me.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Six year contract isn’t it?
I think it’s dumb. He’ll be 36. I don’t see anything but a drop-off in production starting in at least 2 years.
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Peppers always pulls the “Randy Moss in Oakland” when there is nothing to gain. He just hauled ass last year so he could get out of Carolina.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is saying we can’t pay money for these guys, but we are just about out of good options.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
We are indeed not Phil Savage anymore.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Peppy.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
nah they can have peppers. I think we might have missed on Anquan boldin a little bit, but i’m not going to lose my lunch over it. But I would like to hear us having interest in somebody. I think Dunta Robinson would have been someone to look at. I’m also surprised here hasn’t been any talk about Thomas Jones’ destination.
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Nope, that Peppers deal will be a horrible contract in 2-3 years.
The only player I really wanted that we weren’t in on (as far as we know) was Cromartie.
Other than that, we have moved up in the draft and shed a horrendous contract. I like it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say I agreed with the contract. Oh Hell to the No. I’m just saying it would’ve been nice to have him. I had him on my uncapped franchise on Madden ’10.
I also like what we’ve done, it’s smart, not Redskins crazy.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
nice thing about madden is that players tend to be way more consistent and injury prone for years. I was able to build a New Orleans saints squad through the draft that was just unbeatable (it was my 46 defense… absolutely lights out)
Didn’t hurt that the salary cap just kept going up every year until it got to like $435 million.
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I wasn’t huge on cromartie. I would rather get a guy who can tackle.
the peppers deal will be horrible NOW…even though it is an uncapped year.
Tackling for a CB is about as high on my list as pass catching for QB’s.
Am I the only person who remembers Deion Sanders being allergic to tackling for his entire career?
I’m not saying Cro is Deion but he is a 26 YO Pro Bowl CB. I don’t care if he can’t tackle.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
depends on the scheme. In the Jets 3-4 with lots of blitzing you will leave CBS in man coverage more often, they won’t be in position to stop the run anyway, but they still have to tackle receivers on the bubble screen and such.
For the tampa 2 defense there’s a reason they don’t mind bigger slower corners:
They need guys who can play zone with their eyes in the backfield, and make more plays in the running game.
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Cromartie and Boldin.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
And Dunta
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Robinson was waaaaaaay over valued.
There is a reason the Texans let him walk. He just wasn’t worth that money.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Outside of maybe Cromartie, there isn’t a player that I am mad the Browns missed on. I am looking for a few smaller type signings, hopefully an offensive lineman, a linebacker, a corner and a safety.
Yet you wonder why the browns have been mediocre
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 6, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
closest thing you could get is this years Saints:Drew Brees, Jeremy Shockey, Darren Sharper, Mike Bell, Jonathon Vilma, Jabari Greer, Bobby McCray, Scott Fujita all came off of other teams’ scrap heaps.
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He said expensive. And Shockey’s a bust for the Saints. All smoke and mirrors.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
At first I thought Boldin was a miss, then remembered he’s in the last year of his deal. Good chance if we traded for him it would just be a 1-year rent, and he’d leave to free agency in 2011.
Or we would have had to give him 30 MIL.
Not losing any sleep over Boldin.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 6, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
If I was to lose any sleep over Boldin, it’s more of the fact that he joins that in-conference Ravens offense, rather than us passing on him.
the ravens got a pretty good deal for boldin (they paid less than detroit did for a better player) but he just wasn’t a good fit for the browns. We already have a couple of guys who potentially could be pretty good #2 wideouts (massaquoi and robiskie) but we could use a real #1 guy.
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I’m really ok with this. Certain teams seem to be viewing the free-agent crop as a grab bag with the salary cap issues next year. Those teams will also be in salary cap hell in three years.
Exactly.
The players are now realizing that the cap was the best thing that ever happened to them. If it wasn’t for horrendous leadership in their union, they wouldn’t be in this situation.
I think a deal will get done before a lockout in ’11. And a salary cap will be part of that deal.
And at that exact moment, the Bears will look at Peppers and his 4 sacks and say “Oh sh*t, we have a mess on our hands”.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 5, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think they see that now, but are hoping that their offense last year was a fluke or at least can be improved and that Favre doesn’t return to the Vikings and they can push the Packers for the division by spending a ton of money in the offseason. Seems they are all in for this season.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
“Gholston/Moss in Oakland ver. 2” Trojan Horse virus.
Doing “something” you shouldn’t have in the first place to get it and it’s a bitch to get rid of.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Browns have signed a Free Agent!
For all of those wondering when will the Browns act, here is this:
Ray Ventrone agrees to 3 year, 2.2 million dollar deal, per Adam Caplan.
For those who forget, he was a ST and part time safety for the Browns last year.
Who had Vetrone in the Browns first free agent pool?
Jerk.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 5, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Way too get my hopes up.
Is it just me or is that overpaying?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I still would rather pay him like a late round draft pick.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Cribbs was truly the only Brown who has outplayed his salary three years in a row. We have been throwing money around on free agent and draft busts for the last decade. Why should anyone be upset that a person who loves the NEO (Northeast Ohio), Played his college play here, and does more in the community than all other higher profile players on the Browns, finally gets paid. We should be happy, for him! Now if the other 52 players approached the game with the same passion… there may finally be a team on the field that we can be proud of for longer than the 17 weeks of the regular season.
field position is very valuable on the football field,,,, so if your Return Specialist can get you near midfield on average in many games “How is that not valuable to a team ability to win?” Oh, I know why – because you have a QB that throws for an average of 100 yards a game and 1/2 a touchdown, as if that’s possible – it was. Be glad the Browns are willing reward the players who have earned it and not reward the players who don’t.
By the way, heads up at the Jets blog. Some guy just wrote out an article about why Braylon is the man.
They have no idea.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
I love the jab at Cleveland in there. Way to stay classy Jets fan.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
way to be idiots and misevaluate him.
a) they call him an excellent route runner. He is not even a decent route runner. That was even one of his main weaknesses in college. he got lazy on route running.
b) they think that he will be more focused because he is playing in NEW JERSEY (not new york) and that he is not in cleveland. Here is why this is wrong: (scout.com report of him as a draft pick) “Not mentally on top of his game, loses focus or takes his eye off the ball. Decent hands but mental lapses too often”. Now if this guy had these kind of “mental lapses” playing for an elite (I know scUM suckss but at the time they were good) college, why would he not have mental lapses in the pros? he just has a mental problem…
NEW JERSEYYYYYY!!!!!
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Cribbs should of been a man & played out his original deal! I am glad to see the differences have been worked out! way to go top brass for handling something you didnt start!
by James W Masitto Jr. on Mar 6, 2010 4:33 AM EST reply actions
Congratulations Joshua Cribbs camp.
6.3 million $ per year for a punt and kick returner, huh, though? Glad it´s not my money.
I’m not sure you’ve read the rest of the comments. Cribbs gives the Browns field position when he returns kicks thus making our offense look better than it is. Cribbs prevents the opposing team from getting superior field position by being an ace gunner which makes our defense look better than it really is. Cribbs has to go out there and wreak havoc to earn the 6.3 because it’s incentive laden.
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