Browns are interested in David Carr
According to Matt Maiocco, a 49er reporter, the Browns will be an option for Carr if he leaves SF without a contract today.
Seriously. This isn't a joke. I wish it was.
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Oh, and I posted this in the Corey Williams thread, but I’ll repost here that Seneca Wallace is the other quarterback we’re looking at.
Seneca Wallace is the other quarterback we’re looking at.
this is not a fact. it’s a continuing problem of a reporter taking a source’s opinion that something could happen, and other reporters running with that opinion. and as more media outlets report on that opinion, it eventually mutates into an incorrect truth.
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Why don’t we just sign Joey Harrington and Akili Smith while we are at it? Ryan Leaf?
Is Brady Quinn really that bad? who’s cereal did he shit in? I mean read his draft scouting report in the draft archive. And I quote:
“He has had too many highs and lows throughout his career. It seems like he presses at times, doesn’t always make sound decisions under pressure and has a tendency to force some throws. Loses the strike zone at times and still has somewhat of an erratic arm. He needs to do a better job of leading receivers on short-to-intermediate routes.”
Eerily accurate. The guy is fidgety in the pocket and when hes uncomfortable he has an erratic arm. Sounds to me like the weaknesses that could be solved by putting him in the game with nothing to worry about in terms of getting pulled. I want him to focus on getting comfortable in the pocket, running the offense and playing football without the thoughts of Derek Anderson or anyone else taking his job. Brady is here already and he deserves a real chance at this job, period.
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Carr was nowhere near the bust that Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington and Akili Smith were. He did not play bad at times, but he was plagued with a horrible line and supporting cast. Do I think this would be a good move? I have no idea actually, but the comparison to those guys (especially Leaf) is absurd.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The lines playing in front of Tim Couch and Joey Harrington didn’t do them any favors either.
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You know you’re strengthening her point right?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Point is that terrible Line and terrible supporting cast argument could be made for some other QBs who are considered busts too. Stafford had a pretty bad supporting cast last year and he still improved the lions somewhat.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
…Which is what she said.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Why you calling me a “she”? (No offense to women, but I am not one.)
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Swear I thought you were Emily. Her fanpost avatar is right beside where you would have one, so my peripheral vision mistook you for her. My bad.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds to me like the weaknesses that could be solved by putting him in the game with nothing to worry about in terms of getting pulled. I want him to focus on getting comfortable in the pocket, running the offense and playing football without the thoughts of Derek Anderson or anyone else taking his job.
So you think that Brady Quinn’s only problem, the thing that’s holding him back from being a good QB, is that he’s worried about getting pulled? You think if we get rid of Anderson and don’t sign anyone else then he’ll magically start throwing better and becoming more accurate? Really? That’s going to help him hit his receivers more often and move around in the pocket better? Are you serious?
Let me tell you this . . . if Brady Quinn can’t handle some competition for his job then he shouldn’t be playing QB in the NFL, period. In the NFL players always have backups competing for playing time. If they can’t handle that then they don’t have the mental toughness to be in the NFL, anyways.
The Cleveland Browns haven’t once let Brady Quinn get comfortable in the starting role. Haven’t afforded him the opportunity to be the unquestioned starting quarterback. If every single little mistake you make on the field could be your last one professionally, or lead you to being labeled a ‘bust’ you would play nervous too (did you see him take short outlet passes and never go downfield?) Brady didn’t attack the defense he took the safest throws to avoid turnovers as much as possible, and he still got pulled.
Consequently, Brady’s confidence was really low. It can’t be very good right now since it seems nobody on the coaching staff or in the front office believes in him one bit. Confidence in ones self plays a big role in on field performance. It seems this is especially true for Brady Quinn per his scouting report. According to the scouts he is a guy who can get nervous in there and get happy feet, losing his accuracy at times.
The only way to solve this is to put the guy in there and let him get comfortable, let him get used to playing quarterback in the NFL.
The Lions understood this with Matt Stafford, the Jets understood this with Mark Sanchez, the Packers with Aaron Rodgers, the Colts with Peyton Manning, the Falcons with Matt Ryan, the Ravens with Joe Flacco.
If the Bengals had treated Carson Palmer like we had treated Brady Quinn, after Jon Kitna had that good season in Palmer’s rookie year, they would have retained Kitna and told Palmer to ride the bench as Kitna continued to perform worse and worse. Then when they finally inserted Palmer in his third season? He would have to walk on eggshells because Kitna was still there and ready to replace him at the tiniest mistake. Oh wait we replaced you anyway Palmer back to your favorite spot on the bench. Fun “quarterback competition” huh?
We drafted Brady Quinn to play football, not watch football professionally. Give him a legitimate chance either here or somewhere else.
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good post
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Rogers wasn’t a rookie starter.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
meant for jaws.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Neither was Quinn. The only QB that is compaiable on that list is Rogers. He was good and ready when he started. Quinn wasn’t.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
the packers didn’t let rogers wallow on the bench letting his confidence go down the shitter. They had a future hall of famer who obviously had a couple good years left in him and they decisively went to Rogers. Thats what we have to do with Quinn, show him a vote of confidence and get him out on the field knowing full well that the coaching staff believes in him. If we aren’t going to play the guy why the hell did we draft him?
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
You can’t put Rogers on a list of rookie starters. That’s my point.
And after DA’s ‘07 year, I wouldn’t have started Quinn in ‘08 either. Which kinda puts Rogers and Quinn in the same boat. They both sat behind Qbs and Rogers came out a QB. Quinn did not… yet.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
palmer wasn’t a rookie starter either. All I’m talking about is handling a young QB who hasn’t been an NFL starter before.
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Palmer started out better than Quinn too. Thanks for proving my point.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
my whole point is that quinn hasn’t had a chance to play. You can’t possibly have a read on quinn’s ability by watching his current body of work. He needs a whole season to get comfortable.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Rodgers DID have to go through a phase similar to this however when Brett Favre was hot and heavey for coming back to the Packers. The organization took a stand and backed Rodgers, especially when they had no clue how things would turn out. No one knew how well he’d do as a full-time starter.
Brett Favre: “Hey, let me come back and play! I’m a future HoF!”
GB: “No, not by the hair of our chiney-chin-chin’s! This is our QB, and we stand by him!”
I havn’t seen one instance where the organization has stood behind Quinn in that matter. Maybe he hasn’t done anywhere near as well Rogers, but I garuntee that he will do much better once he is the unquestioned leader of that locker room and the orginazation demonstrates as much.
by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 7, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, nothing in life is ‘guarenteed’. That’s egg on my face.
But I still feel that Quinn can be a an above average starter in the league once things get settled. I still remember the kid in his college days and being absolutely amazed by his play.
by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Here is a good article about spotting possible draft busts.
Basically it says that QBs can bust for 3 reasons:
1) System QB (qbs who produce gaudy numbers in spread systems, but lack an NFL arm or Under center Experience)
2) Lacks Intangibles (guys who just cant stay conditioned, or completely lack leadership or decision-making)
3) Shell Shocked (guys who play their rookie years behind porous offensive lines and get completely rattled)
Brady Quinn doesn’t have any of these problems that I can tell, leading me to think he could be an adequate NFL starter if given the chance.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
i salute your dedication to this point of view, but all of the QBs you mentioned above are better that BQ. and i think confidence comes from within, from knowing that no matter what happens, you’re going to win every game you play. peyton manning could throw 5 interceptions in a game, but he can’t wait to get back out there because he knows that in that 6th possesion, he’s gonna rip your heart out and score the game winning TD. it doesn’t always happen that way, but he always believes it will. if BQ only feels that same way because someone says “alright, now you don’t have to worry about one of the all-time worst QBs breathing down your neck anymore”, then he isn’t taking us anywhere.
And Peyton Manning himself said that he learned a lot of that by playing a full season his rookie year when they went 3-13. You have to take the lumps if you want your guy to develop.
by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 7, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because Manning has the talent to be a great quarterback. You can give someone all the experience in the world but if he doesn’t have the necessary talent then he’s not going to perform well. Maybe Quinn just isn’t good enough. You can’t keep running him out there and hoping he gets better.
Maybe he isn’t, but we’ll never know if we don’t give him the chance. I’m not saying we keep running him out there, I’m saying we give him a chance to just go out there and play. He looked improved after he came back last year, like he was finally ready to take that next step towards being a starter. He got his feet wet, now he just needs to pull it all together.
Peyton Manning definetly has the talent, but the Colts were bending over backwards to make his transition as smooth as possible, and they were committed to building around him. I definetly don’t see the Browns doing that for Brady (yet).
by BrownDawg1409 on Mar 8, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, Brady Quinn isn’t any good? Maybe the coaches can see that in practice and on film. And when he gets the chance to play and doesn’t show much of anything that might just confirm what they think. So that’s why he hasn’t had a whole year to play QB. They gave him the chance last season and he blew it.
People can make excuses for Quinn all day long, but it may come down to the fact that he’s just not that good. I hope not, but it’s looking more like that every year. So you can make all the excuses you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that he hasn’t shown much of anything in three years so far. I don’t know what you’ve seen so far that makes you think Quinn will magically become a more accurate passer — which is his biggest problem — just by being given the starting job for a full season. Again, if he can’t handle the pressure then he’s not going to make it in the NFL anyways if he’s that mentally fragile.
He’s a freak out. Ala Jeff Garcia, but worse. 3 step drop, "What do I do?, dump it"
I’m done with him.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. And who wants to spend an entire season watching BQ flounder with no one who’s even vaguely credible as a starter behind him, just to prove that BQ really is awful even with a full vote of confidence and zero perceived competition?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I sure hope you guys are making a joke about Carr comming to Cleveland. I watched him play when Delhome went down for the panthers. He is good, as long as there is no defense in front of him, otherwise he will run with brown bodyfluids running down his socks.
wbaron
It probably has something to do with flashbacks to his Houston days.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Shellshocked. So sad.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 7, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I will add this.
I don’t mind if we sign Carr as a back-up.
But considering the fact that the 49ers are offering him a chance to start, this leads me to believe that IF he does sign here, he will be promised the same thing.
I reeeeeally don’t want Carr starting for us.
I’m wondering why we are looking at QBs at all. It just seems to me that this is the worst year I can remember for teams that need a QB. Bradford is the one guy I think could help somebody, and if the rams pass they are foolish. McNabb is on the wrong side of 30 and will probably not be available anyway.
Virtually any other qb we could bring in would be just as unproven as Brady Quinn, and probably older with more past failures under his belt. If we cut Derek Anderson he is probably the one qb out there that somebody might want to take a flyer on, given his starting experience and his past successes.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I’m wondering why we are looking at QBs at all.
Uhh . . . did you watch our QB’s play this past season? They were TERRIBLE.
When you’re blind, even a one eyed man seems like a marvel of ability.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
david carr? seneca wallace? this is not what i wanted to hear about. does anyone know what else is going on in berea today besides the fujita news. there’s gotta be some good news. it just doesnt make any sense to bring in either of those guys. how bout some news on kolb.
I get the feeling they want to sign a guy in FA instead of trading for one and giving up a draft pick or two, like a 3 for Tarvaris Jackson or a 5 for Troy Smith.
It’s a fair point. Holmgren and Mangini both prefer to groom their guys from the ground up and bad teams shouldn’t be in the business of giving up draft picks b/c it hardly works out in the long term. Look at our efforts in 2008 and the Bears last year.
Me personally? I’d trade for a quality backup on a team set at QB (like Kolb) and take a flyer on another guy as a second option. I still think Troy Smith’s an attractive option, given we have 4 5th round picks already.
Mooncamping isn’t lying, he really is our GM.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No he’s not. He stepped down.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Then explain why we are interested in Carr. Moon told us he was gonna sign him a few days ago.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
He said he would build a new franchise around him. I think he’s an owner now.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 6, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, the man wasn’t lyin.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mooncamping is actually Randy Lerner. He comes on here to take stock of the fan’s opinion.
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God help us.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
I left it up in the air. I offered a list of my preferences.
If David Carr comes to play, we´re in for a wild ride.
I do think Mike Holmgren, at least, can work with the eternally raw product.
I don´t know how good you guys are in getting to the news on the internet.
But, in regards to our quarterback watch, here are two recent developments:
-Chad Pennington is said to have signed with the Dolphins for 2.5 million $.
-Rex Grossman might rejoin Kyle Shanahan (his OC with the Texans, and now the OC with the Redskins) with the Redskins.
-the newest candidates are said to be Jake Delhomme, and once again any one of the Eagles quarterbacks, or any one of the Seahawks quarterbacks.
Writers are trying hard to link any and all of these choices with probabilities of which Browns quarterback must go. It is always one, never a combination of Quinn and Anderson. Personally, I think that´s wishful thinking.
It’s all good. You are allowed to take a joke without explaining yourself.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Moon why didn’t you tell us you were Tom Heckert? And when will you be installing the 11 FB set?
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, the Cardinals replace Antrel Rolle with Kerry Rhodes, sending the Jets a 4 and a 7, the 7 being in 2011.
Other news: Justin Fargas, as expected, was the odd guy out in Oakland and got his walking papers. If we don’t get Thomas Jones, I wouldn’t mind Fargas spelling Harrison. He’d certainly be cheaper and he’s got less wear on his body, despite a few injuries.
I would’ve made that trade for Rhodes. I don’t understand why they got rid of him. Is it contract issues?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC, Rex Ryan benched him mid season for not going all out in a few games. Put him back in as a starter and Rhodes played better, but Rex is used to his D being out for blood on every play. I’m guessing Rhodes’s fate was sealed mid-season and they just waitied for an offer.
I’m still hoping the Browns pick up Morgan Burnett in the second round. Ryan Tucker’s retirement might force us into drafting OL in the middle rounds though, especially if Rex Hadnot signs elsewhere. Might’ve already. I’m not sure.
i think our first pick has got to be berry.
Our second pick needs to be a CB or a LB probably. I like Jerry Hughes a lot.
our third and 4th rounds are probably where they try and get a couple of guys for the right side of the line, maybe Jered Veldheer and Ciron Black or something like that.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I would pass on Veldheer. He blew his chance to show he can face tougher competition in the Tex vs. Nation game, and he has midget arms for someone 6’8.
If Vlad Ducasse slips to the 3rd we should sprint out to the podium.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 6, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think I could go for this.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 6, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm. I’m not really sure what I think about Fargas compared to Chester Taylor. But there just has to be a fun element in signing Huggy Bear’s kid.
We get a lot of Raider games here. Fargas is better than Bush and McFadden, imo.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bush is best out of all of those.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hands down, I’d take Fargas over Bush. I’ve seen him play a lot.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 7, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad he’s visiting with the Chiefs.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 7, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
All contracts being equal, give me McFadden.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’m biased because I am a Louisville fan and i saw Bush play in high school. That guy is crazy though.
He played QB in high school as well as Punter and kicker. Then in college he was the quickest 255 pound RB you’ll ever see.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Watching McFadden in college, I was positive he was going to be amazing in the NFL.
I really think if he can avoid being run into the ground, once he gets out of Oakland, he will explode on the NFL.
I really think he is more talented than Adrian Peterson.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 7, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing about Bush- he was set to sign with Ohio State until Louisville promised him he would play quarterback. The kid ends up at runningback anyway at the end of his first fall camp.
I remember that!
One of many “almosts” in recruiting.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 8, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I remember why he did that knowing Brohm was likely coming behind him. I’m glad he came but i’m not sure why he ever fell for that.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
“wondering why he did that”
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Kids will believe anything.
Hell kids trust Lane Kiffin.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 9, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Carr was demolished
in his first four years at Houston. He was sacked more times then any QB since they kept stats on sacks. I don’t care how tough you are that will mess you up. Sadly its not something that can be healed. Pass.
Veldheer has 33" arms which is fine for a LT. Just because he is a couple inches taller means nothing. All reports out of the combine gave him high marks on the drills; and he was VERY good in the 40 and the bench press. Either late second rd or early 3rd rd. Will take a while to learn but a lot of potential. Oh and the bs about that all star game-chew on this: at the Senior Bowl ALL the scouts leave BEFORE the game since they consider it nothing worth staying for.
The reason Veldheer was graded highly was because everyone thought that if he was 6’8 he would have very long arms. Instead he has short arms.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
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