well…the browns line is significantly better…

how often does he do this? because if it doesn’t count as a sack, it will count as a rushing attempt. for a scrambling QB, he doesn’t have many rushing attempts. I doubt his 32 rushing attempts in the last 2 years were ALL the play you were talking about…since he definitely scrambled for positive yards several times.

I would characterize our last 4 games as “F*** it. We are going to play without a quarterback.”

He grew up rooting for the Chicago Bulls, New York Yankees, and Dallas Cowboys as the biggest frontrunner ever.

Fixed that.

I wouldn’t either if I were to be a free agent. Sports is a business. Of course it’s good when your players love your team but at the end of the day it’s a business.

Also those players are no Lebron in terms of talent and value in their respective leagues.

I am LeBron’s age and grew up rooting for the Bulls and the 49ers. If I hadn’t moved to Cleveland when I did I probably would still root for both. When you’re a kid its hard not to like someone who dominated the game like MJ.

If really wanting to come to Cleveland were “anti-LeBron”, then LeBron would have to really want to leave Cleveland. He doesn’t. He wants to win championships.

That’s not to say wanting to come to Cleveland is a bad trait to look for in potential acquisitions, just that it isn’t the “anti-LeBron”.

If Troy Smith was half the athlete of LeBron James, he probably would be acting more like…LeBron James. Sorry, but that’s what happens when you are the best.

It was my understanding that Quinn DIDN’T have a strong arm. Supposedly he could never have the ability to chuck one downfield just because his competition could. Nope, apparently Quinn’s arm was almost as bad as Pennington’s from the way the analysts talked about him.

Nah man I said “I don’t know about Wallace” meaning I literally don’t know if his arm is strong or not.

Can’t be sure of that.

Quinn will start with Wallace as a backup to make Quinn better with holmgrens offense

Although I don’t disagree, the sad thing is that DA had, by far, the best season of any Browns QB since the return to the league in 99. Not even close.

Hahaha.

That’s fair. I’d still say that if he can throw accurately, he can throw accurately. He will have to have good timing and a strong enough arm combined with the accuracy to complete those passes in the league.

Right, such as the Texas Tech quarterbacks.

Just ones who’s production was inflated by the system while not possessing NFL physical tools.

Then just say what you really mean instead of using buzzwords with horribly incorrect connotations.

"system" qbs are guys who have good numbers but weak arms and can’t handle an NFL progression, just simpler reads in a simpler system.

If you can’t read a defense and make a progression, you probably sucked in college, too. Or you played against some horrible defenses who never adapted to what you were doing. You can be a simple “pro style” offense in college, yet no one calls those guys “system QBs”.

The fact is, in college practice time is incredibly limited compared to the NFL, and student-athletes have to juggle a good amount of responsibilities outside of football. Because of all that, college offenses are necessarily less complex than pro offenses. This is something every QB faces, not just the ones who run less plays in college.

but pass protections and line calls do tend to get more complicated in the NFL

You’ve got BoB, zone, and hybrids. I’d say the dual-read is probably the hardest thing an OL has to do there, and that’s up to the lineman or back. Pointing out a mike is easy. All a QB has to do is tell his line how to block, and then know if/where his hot read is or where the untouched rusher will come from if he does. This is more difficult in the NFL because…

(as do defenses)

…of those defenses being more complex. But again, that’s the same regardless of the offensive system a QB played in. All passing games have ways of figuring out when and where they need to get the ball out.

In any event, a QB has to be intelligent and has to play intelligently to win in the NFL. Nothing about that depends on his college system.

I think Pike has a noodle arm

Thanks.

Where’s Kwoog and his Savage defense, btw?

Rogers was absolutely a steal. Corey Williams was a bad trade, as were all of those moves he made when he had too much to think about in rounds 4-7 because we didn’t have any other picks.

Eric Wright was a good trade. Quinn was not a good trade.

Those are about all of the trades I remember him doing.

I know this isn’t saying a whole lot, but Savage isn’t the sole (or even the main) reason we are so bad right now. He was actually a decent GM. And “decent” is way better than anything we had since 99. Savage hate is unnecessary. Sure, he thought he was a better GM than he was, and sure, he panicked (rightfully so) because he knew he had to do something drastic to keep his job, and sure he didn’t work in line with his (decidedly below-average) head coach.

But it wasn’t like he was Butch or Al Davis. Our first couple of drafts were absolute trainwrecks, as the Raiders’ have been for a while now.

(Only one that was worth it was Shaun Rogers, but contrary to what some think, it was a pretty even trade — a starting CB and a 3rd round pick for Rogers was hardly a steal for us).

A CB that wanted to be paid like he was elite and a 3rd round pick that turned into Andre Fluellen. You also gloss over the fact that Bodden was bad in Detroit that he was benched and released after one season.

For a Pro Bowl NT. We really think this was a poor deal? Really?

We have enough evidence to crap on Savage, let’s not go around making stuff up to add to it.

Stop already. This has gone far enough.

I wish he played like that more often, but alas, no.

Quinn kicks ass in Madden 10. He threw like 50 TDs and 9 INTs for me. And we won the Super Bowl!

I’m only on “pro” difficulty though haha.

It’s uncanny.

I didn’t say he was. Just pointing out that not being a Pro Bowler doesn’t automatically make you a backup, as jaws said.

well…maybe they are sour they lost him…

maybe they are doing it somehow out of spite…

the point is, they are making statements as supposed “experts” about wallace and are not backing these statements up…in fact, some of these statements can be proven false…

I will say this much, I trust Holmgren’s opinion over the few Seahawks fans who stopped by. I still think Wallace is here for depth and teaching.

It’s unstoppable, either Dawson kicks it or Wallace runs it. We are guaranteed points on every play.

I am not getting upset. I am just pointing out how he is wrong.

I guess a well thought out argument against someone proving them wrong now is an attack? I don’t see how I “attacked” anyone on here…definitely not worse than some other “attacks” that have happened.