"The fans are ruthless and don't deserve a winner," Anderson wrote Tuesday in a terse e-mail when asked for a reaction to being released. "I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured.
"I know at times I wasn't great. I hope and pray I'm playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them."
Stay classy Derek.
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The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner
HAHA
Stay ruthless my friends. And we do deserve a lot better than this sucky frisbee hucker.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
Hey now, let’s not bring frisbees into this.
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Yeah, they did nothing wrong.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said in the other fanshot about this, “we roll them”? Please, Derek. You won’t be part of that “we”. You’ll be on the sidelines doodling on a clipboard.
FOR doodling on said clipboard
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I’m glad DA is gone, but cheering when a player is injured is Bush league.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Right. If I got cheered when I was injured I’d be upset as well. That’s a terrible thing to do.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 9, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Fans cheered when he was hurt, that is bullshit, those fans need to look at themselves everyday. I hope the hell Cleveland doesn’t turn into Philly.
However let it go Derek, you made a great wage here, and you had a chance to take a team into the playoffs and struggled tremendously against the Bengals. Good luck where ever you go.
Oh my god that’s funny. Tell us how you really feel Derek. No wonder you didn’t have the intangibles to play quarterback in the NFL.
MOOOOM! The people in the stands who paid good money to see me got mad and boo’d when I threw 4 picks and derailed our playoff chances! They are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner!
Shouldn’t it be good that we have a rabid fanbase that loves the team and wants to win that bad?
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
No wonder you didn’t have the intangibles or tangibles to play quarterback in the NFL.
Fixed!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn’t upset that they booed when they played poorly, he was upset that they cheered when he got injured. That’s not even close to being the same thing.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome to football, Mr. CryBaby!
(I now feel sick knowing that I ever rooted for this douche in the first half of 2007.)
I hope he fails miserably.
maybe 1 out of 10 fans cheered that…. so he lumps all his pitiful play and frustrations on 100% of the fans? what an intelligent guy. a true class act and just the type of guy you want leading your team.
I was at that game. And I’d say it was less that 1 out of 10. Of those that were cheering, it was because the backup (I’m pretty sure it was Dorsey) was loosening up. I’m pretty sure the same reaction would have happened if DA just got benched for sucking.
The defense was playing their ass off in that game and the offense sucked so much. It was a frustrating season and most people were totally off the DA bandwagon long before that point in time and it just sucked to watch him play.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 10, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
F%&k the Browns. All they did was send me to a Pro Bowl...
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 9, 2010 11:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First of all, let’s say the record straight. Cheering for a player’s injury whether an opponent or your own team is terrible and disgusting.
That said, only a very small percentage of the crowd cheered when Anderson got hurt, I was watching the game and remember listening for it. Does a tiny percentage of the crowd represent every Browns fan?
The same exact thing happened to Tim Couch and he cried about it in the post-game press conference, again only after a few fans cheered. Let’s find a QB who can step up and be a man and lead this team to victory.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
TRUTH
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by Andrew Tolliver on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. I would call it a very small percentage. The booing was quite loud and obnoxious. It had to be half if not more of the crowd, which regardless gives him a very valid point.
Its not about stepping up and being a man, it not about leading the team to victory. For one its going to take more than one man to do it, especially when the defense can’t hold a lead, the line can’t protect and the WR’s can’t catch balls, so how about you say lets find a team to step up and take the browns to victory.
Its just as tactless and pitiful to cheer your own team player as it is to publicly blast them in the media. So both sides are quite pathetic
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 10, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You didn’t disagree with me. I said:
Cheering for a player’s injury whether an opponent or your own team is terrible and disgusting.
I disagree. I would call it a very small percentage.
I think this might be what he meant. I read it as wouldn’t instead of would.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
There was loud booing. That was because DA and the offense sucked and just pretty much lost the game.
Then there was some very mild cheering once it was clear DA was hurt, but, more importantly the backup was warming up and the fans didn’t have to watch another DA turnover.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is DA the next Braylon with the Cleveland bashing? I bet they’re on the phone right now.
DA: Hey, I just got cut from the Browns.
Braylon: Damn that city! You know, Derek. They just really screwed us over. They made me drop passes since I was too focused on how they didn’t like me because I’m from Michigan.
DA: Yeah! And they made me have a passer rating worse than JaMarcus Russell! So what if I throw a 7 yard pass 80 MPH. A WR’s supposed to catch…. no offense, Braylon.
Braylon: None taken. It’s all Cleveland’s fault that I dropped those passes.
DA: So what are we going to do about this?
Braylon: Hmmm. Do what I did! Trash the city and team to any media outlet. It’ll make you feel better about your below mediocre athleticism.
DA: Sounds good. I’ll get on that now!
by emily522 on Mar 10, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
DA: Yeah! And they made me have a passer rating worse than JaMarcus Russell! So what if I throw a 7 yard pass 80 MPH. A WR’s supposed to catch…. no offense, Braylon.
Braylon: None taken. It’s all Cleveland’s fault that I dropped those passes.
This got me laughing. “None taken”.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
That’s fine. But if there are significant number of drunken jerks acting like idiots at a game then it reflects on the entire fanbase. Look at how Phily fans are regarded all because one guy threw a snowball at Santa Claus. So if a group of fans is booing or cheering at a game then it reflects on all the fans, even if you weren’t part of that. That’s the way it’s always been in sports. We (as Cleveland fans) make judgements about other fans bases because of something a few of them do, so it goes both ways.
Now, Anderson should have taken the high road and not said anything. But I can understand him being upset about getting cheered when he was injured because that’s got to be a horrible feeling for a football player. I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and Mike Golic, as a former football player, completely understood where DA was coming from and he said he would have probably felt the same way. Again, he shouldn’t have necessarily said it publicly but I’m sure he was frustrated after being released.
We seem to forget sometimes that these players are human beings and they have feelings and emotions just like the rest of us. DA may not have been a great quarteback but that doesn’t mean he deserved the treatment he got from some fans. Being a bad football player does not make you a bad person. I know there were many things said on here about DA the football player, and that was all justified, but many fans take that too far and criticize the person, not the player. So I can understand why he’s upset. As fwembt said below, we know there are many idiot sports fans in Cleveland (just like in every other city) and unfortunately sometimes those fans do represent the rest of us.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, as a whole. Philly fans are drunken idiots.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Derek Anderson is a human with thoughts and feelings while also collecting 9 million dollars/year. He needs to not be so thin-skinned. Part of the life you sign up for as a professional athlete leaves you vulnerable to situations like the one we are debating. While I was never cheer an injury to him (and while I root for his success as a member of the Browns) I feel absolutely no sympathy for him.
I never said I felt sympathy for him. Yes, being a professional athlete means you get booed by fans when you’re bad and that’s fine. Cheering an injury is a completely different thing. And making $9 million a year doesn’t take away his feelings and emotions so I don’t see how that’s relevant.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The 9 million/yr mitigates how much the fanbase cares about his feelings or emotions. He is being thin-skinned, even if you were to assume the entire crowd cheered his injury (which is not the case.)
I guess I’m not the kind of person that thinks that if a person is making millions of dollars then that means you can do to him whatever you want, and he should just accept it because he’s got lots of money. Money doesn’t solve everything.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve said before I would not boo someone’s injury, and at the same time I will support any Browns player that takes the field (unless they are a terrible person off the field.) My main point in this is that Derek needs to shut up and play. Take the good money he is earning and understand that some drunen low character fans do not represent an entire population. Avoid making blanket statements, avoid pissing off everyone else in the fanbase that had nothing to do with this incident.
The fanbase doesn’t deserve a title? Seriously? He doesn’t know the first thing about being a fan of Cleveland teams.
As I said, he shouldn’t have said it and he knows that which is why he apologized. I’m just saying that I can understand why he would be upset.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Avoid making blanket statements, avoid pissing off everyone else in the fanbase that had nothing to do with this incident.
Anyone who reads clecom or listens to WKNR has reason to question the class and intelligence of this fanbase. The general reaction to this announcement has been nothing more than confirmation of what he said. The thinking fan is, I fear, in the minority here.
But it happens all the time, by everybody (including us — how often do we make blanket statements about Steelers fans or Yankee fans or anyone else whose teams we don’t like).
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Those statements are 100% true.
Especially ones about Philly.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
The 9million does not mitigate character.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I agree but did he ever say anything about it right after it happened? He could have said how much he resented that right after and most fans wouldn’t have minded he said it, and as evidenced by the posts…would definitely agree…and if he did say something about it right after it happened (I’m not sure if he did or not) then why drag it back out now except to be an ass?
. So he just waits until he’s released before voicing his issues? Talk about butthurt. I don’t begrudge him having ‘feelings’ of course, but when his ‘feelings’ consist of taking a parting shot at the fans who for the vast majority of the time wanted desperately for him to do well…no matter how many bonehead ints he threw, sacks he rolled right into, and times he laid on the ground or moped around with his shoulders sagging when the shit was hitting the fan…then he can take his feelings, and his ass, out the door and go hold a clipboard
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 10, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I know at times I wasn’t great.”
Ladies and gentlemen, your understatement of the year!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I’d say this isn’t that far from the truth. If some of the more extreme voices on here and the mean level on cleveland.com are a representative sample, he’s pretty close to right. This fanbase doesn’t understand economics and is given to knee-jerk reaction. Was it the classiest way to go? No. But it isn’t that bad.
The defintion of fans (fanatics) lends itself to kneejerk reactions. I’d be hardpressed to find any fanbase not have some type of kneejerk reaction.
The guy made millions and should appreciate the great fortune he has had as a professional football player. He can act however he wants and make whatever statements he wants. But, trashing fans for being fanatics reveals a lack of appreciation and professionalism. He is what he is: a serviceable backup QB who will not lead a team to the Super Bowl. And to teams looking to sign him, statements like this should be a red flag.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Mar 10, 2010 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But there are plenty of intelligent fans who don’t act that way. Being fanatic about something doesn’t mean you have to act stupid.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Some people just don’t realize this. Like the fans throwing CD players and batteries when everyone else was throwing plastic beer bottles.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, there will be stupid fans – and they are found in every city (not just Cleveland – he’s fooling himself if he thinks otherwise).
As a QB making millions, he should not be surprised when Joe Six-Pack making $40K/year boos him when he has a piss-poor performance – or cheers when he leaves the game.
DA can say and do whatever he wants, and pass whatever judgments about Cleveland and its fans. My point is that any team looking to sign him should be wary of his tin ears.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
He never said anything about fans booing him so I don’t know why you’re bringing that up. I’m sure he knows he was bad and he deserved some of them. But cheering when a player is injured is completely different than booing a bad peformance. Just because a player makes millions of dollars doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to cheer when he’s injured — how is that justified?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I loathe the idea that slapping down $40 gives you the right hurl invective and abuse at someone. We have, societally, become imbued with this idea that we have the privilege to scream whatever we want at someone so long as we have paid for the opportunity. It’s sickening and reflects a complete and utter lack of class. Cheering an injured player falls under that same category.
And to build upon the point I made above, I don’t like categorizing people as a society. There is too much breadth to lump society into one easy statement. In my eyes, it’s simply a way of portraying oneself as sophisticated compared to the unintelligible masses.
Do you argue any of the points or just the way they were made? It’s not in keeping with civilized society to sit in a circle and cheer the injury of another human being or hurl the most vulgar insults we can think of his direction. As a society, we accept that behavior. Anyone who has been to a sporting event knows that to be fact. Your beliefs regarding observation of a society don’t have any bearing on the validity of those observations.
Given the number of comments on this site, I don’t assume you read everything I write. I have elsewhere in this thread stated my objection to cheering a player’s injury and also object to anything short of supporting any player that plays for the Browns.
I do take issue with blanket statements, which is the problem I had with DA’s statement and why I questioned your use of the word society. Are we not both part of society? I know plenty of Browns fans that are reasonable and intelligent fans, why should the bad apples take over in characterizing the group in its entirety? My guess is that DA’s apology stemmed from someone reminding him that taking a shot at an entire fanbase is a bad idea. If he had said simply, I am disappointed that a selection of fans cheered my injury, no one would have a problem with it. Instead he said that the entire fanbase of the Cleveland Browns does not deserve a winner. This is where he is wrong, and why people are upset with his comments.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 10, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But, as I said above, people make blanket statement about entire fanbases based on a few bad apples all the time. We do it ourselves, about Steelers fans or Ravens fans on this site. And Yankees fans and Red Sox fans and Lakers fans and so many others.
I’m sure DA knows it wasn’t all Browns fans who were acting like that, or even most of them, but it was enough to make him remember the cheering when he was injured. And, judging by the comments made here about DA (by mostly intelligent people), I can only imagine what he’s heard shouted at him from drunken idiots at the stadium. It may not be everyone, but after hearing it so many times I’m sure he got quite frustrated. Like I said, he shouldn’t have said it publicly but I can certainly understand why he felt that way. And the public outcry against him wasn’t really necessary. Those fans are mostly made at him for playing terrible football the past two years, not making that statement — that’s just a reason to let out the frustration.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but the blanket statements about Steelers fans and Yankees fans are just good natured ribbing for teams that we loathe. I suppose it’s a double standard, but I don’t think they are the same situation.
I know that. I guess my point was that you seemed to be upset that DA was making judgements on entire fan bases based on a small percentage of idiots but we — fans, media, players, coaches, pretty much everyone — do the same thing. I realize it’s one thing to make comment on a blog (like we do) and another thing to say something publicly like he did, so you’re right that the situations aren’t exactly the same.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I know what you mean by society. But you and I being a part of it does not mean we hold the same standards that are the societal norm. I’ve been a Browns fan my entire life and lived in Ohio most of my life and I am becoming more convinced that the loudmouth “bad apples” are not in the minority. Of course DA isn’t going to say he’s disappointed that a selection of fans cheered his injury, that isn’t how people commonly converse.
If I were to pay my $7.50 to walk into a HS basketball gym do I then garner the right to say whatever I want? Can I scream vulgarities at your daughter if she commits a turnover? Of course not, we all agree that is poor behavior and I think that someone would say something. My point about society at large is that exact thing happens every gameday at Cleveland Browns Stadium and there is no sort of public outcry against it. That even 25% of the fans thought it was okay to cheer a player being injured is appalling and also speaks to the society that allows them to think that will go unpunished and uncorrected.
If I were to pay my $7.50 to walk into a HS basketball gym do I then garner the right to say whatever I want? Can I scream vulgarities at your daughter if she commits a turnover?
Difference between professional and amateur.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 11, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, his daughter is not being directly paid millions of dollars by my ticket at the door. This isn’t a very good hypothetical example. But I get what your saying overall
I still don’t think getting paid millions of dollars gives people the right to scream obscenities and throw objects at athletes.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think there is a distinction between a pro football stadium and a girls HS basketball game. One setting will allow for more unreasonable behavior than the other. There are definitely lines though in both settings that have been crossed and probably shouldn’t be. It’s a lot more difficult to control in an environment of 65,000 fans compared to 150.
yes, with 65k people there will always be those w/out common sense and act like idiots. The environments between the examples above plays a big role, but still the overall rule should apply to both. Nobody should cheer an injury. But again, with that many people, you get the bad apples in there for any region or location.
I disagree. It’s the difference between conducting yourself and conducting yourself poorly. A player getting paid to play is no more deserving of your epithets than Roger’s hypothetical daughter. I’m a professional at what I do, should people be allowed berate me with all the vulgarity they can muster?
We can’t really expect to treat amateurs and professionals the same. Professionals are held to a higher standard and in some cases, athletes being one of them, are paid handsomely for it.
Booing Derek Anderson for going 3-17 with an INT is socially acceptable.
Booing little Ms. Dorn for chasing a butterfly instead of hitting a cutoff man isn’t.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fans have every right to boo professional athletes or say whatever they want. Shouting at the players is part of the experience of buying the ticket.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
This isn’t golf or tennis. Crowd interaction is part of the game. I’m not saying people should all get heavily profane and make threats of gruesome violence, but cheering and booing is all part of football.
B19K is exactly right. Professionals ought to realize that interacting with the crowd is part of their job. Of course we don’t want hundreds of people screaming Marco Matterazzi-level insults every week, but a few boos isn’t such a bad thing at an NFL game.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Cheering and booing is fine. But you said they could “say whatever they want” — that’s what he’s talking about. Shouting profane insults all game long is not part of the experience of buying a ticket.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 12, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
What part isn’t “that far from the truth” or “pretty close to right”?
That the fans are ruthless? Ok, fine. But good luck getting along with fans in Buffalo, New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Green Bay, Oakland, Denver, or Dallas. It’s football. We’re fans. Get over it.
We don’t deserve a winner? Give me a freaking break. That cuts this fan base pretty deep.
He remembers being cheered when injured? Well, maybe if he wasn’t such an ego-centric head case he might realize the cheers were for the backup and had little to do with him. Or maybe he would accept that part of his high paying job is extreme, harsh and even unsavory criticism directed his way when he absolutely failed at his job.
He knows he “wasn’t great” at times? Maybe this was the part that “pretty close to right”.
I don’t know what you are talking about understanding economics, or what that has to do with anything.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 10, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I wasn’t at the game.
I wasn’t happy that DA was hurt, but I was happy that he was going to be replaced.
Why? The same reason I want Brandon McDonald, Robert Royal and John St.Clair to be replaced. They suck at their job.
Does this make me a “bad fan”? I don’t think so.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo. I was excited, not for the pain that DA was feeling that second, but because I was going to see a new QB.
DA, obviously thinking all 70,000 people were thinking about him at that moment, took it personally. It had very little to do with him at all.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 11, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, I remember thinking to myself watching at home that I couldn’t believe Dorsey was going in. I expected worse than DA.
That was my exact thought too.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
The economics thing was speaking to the general knowledge of the fanbase. No one argues that people cheered because DA was injured. You’re telling me that there was mass appreciation that we were going to feted with the presence of Ken Dorsey? Give me a break. Cheering that someone is injured is subhuman. DA shouldn’t be expected to put up with that just because he plies his trade in the public view.
It’s football. We’re fans. Get over it.
This is the exact problem. Boorish and idiotic behavior is being excused under the basis of being a fan. No part of acting like a mature adult includes turning off your brain for four hours on Sunday and having carte blanche to act however you so choose because you are a fan. It’s pigheaded and immature no matter where it happens, whether that be Cleveland or any other city you mentioned.
It’s hard to believe, but there was a segment of Browns fans that thought that Dorsey had been groomed for so many years that he was ready to take over and perform better than DA. It seems ridiculous, but I definitely know that segment of the Browns fan population existed.
And remember, “better than DA” at times has not been a very high barrier to overcome.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
. No one argues that people cheered because DA was injured.
Yes, people argue it. In fact, I’ve been making that argument since it was first reported (see my link below to the original conversation- and my original first hand account of this nonsense). The cheers were for Dorsey, for the change of QB, for the fact that Anderson got up and was able to be helped off the field.
Boorish and idiotic behavior isn’t the basis of being a fan, but it happens. I really don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Even in the worst of situations, where the team is terribly disappointing, where the quarterback is awful, in the sport that the fan base cares about the most, after years of getting their heart ripped out, the worst we can point at is:
- beer bottles thrown on the field once
- booing crappy QBs
- arguably a handful of fans may have cheered the injury of a QB.
- Cheering Couch’s injury.
Subhuman? nah. If I remember right, you are an international soccer fan. In my mind, the worst Browns fan on his worst day is pretty tame in the grand realm of human’s fanatical supporters of sports teams. And if anything, our generation of Cleveland sports fan is more civil than it was 25-35 years ago.
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No, you argue it. The MSM, blogs, and players all agree that at least some contingent was cheering that DA was injured. Cheering injuries and hurling invective is all part of being obnoxious and rude. There is no call for it, it doesn’t accomplish anything, and it gives the impression that our fanbase is a bunch of douchebags.
Why engage in caddish behavior at all? What is the point? Yes, it is sub-human to stand and scream the worst thing you can think at your fellow man simply because you don’t approve of the way he does his job.
I am an English football fan, yes. English football is an entirely more pleasant fanbase to be around. The days of the hoolies (and I’ll admit my club was one of the worst) and crushes are long since over. The supporters are generally more self-policing and fan misbehavior more harshly punished. All in all, it’s a better environment to enjoy a game.
DA wasn’t cheered when injured. I know that’s how it got reported. It didn’t happen though. The cheering was about him getting up and about the change from a QB playing terrible to an unknown. But whatever.
I am honestly shocked that you and others are so offended by fan behavior at Browns games. Especially in the last 10 years. I really don’t know how to argue against it. Unless you are an overprotective parent, I really just don’t understand.
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yes, most of those hoolies are gone, but there are still some. I have seen them. I agree the supporters are very self-policing, but so are browns fans. it was a small minority that actually were cheering for the injury.
and football in america is still much better when it comes to the craziness of the fanbase when compared to “futbol” in many other european countries, especially in spain. the big rivalries still get some crazies, even in england (like arsenal and chelsea)
DA says he’s sorry, sort of:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/derek_anderson_apologizes_for.html
Sounds as if he might like to have that email back. Just like many of his passes as a Brown!
OK, I’ll stop it with the cheap shots on DA, unless we ever have the good fortune to face him on the other side of the field.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions
Conjecture based on a predictable pattern of behavior that follows any outburst with professional sports.
And you are guessing that I do not know him.
by gahnki on Mar 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably. I just don’t like it when people presume to know the motive behind the action. The action is really all that matters.
Mea culpa for dragging it out when I could have just said that begin with.
I agree with you. I get really annoyed by people constantly pretending that they know what an athlete is thinking or why they do things based on the few observations they have about that person. Certain people on this site do that all the time. (That’s not directed at gahnki, by the way.)
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Certain people on this site do that all the time.
So, you argue about blanketing people this whole thread, but yet you generalize and then blanket people in this site. Classy.
Disclaimer: This is funny serious.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
No need for the serious part, he said certain people.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Certain people is still generalizing to a point.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
How did I blanket people? I said “certain people” because I meant specific people. I just didn’t want to name names.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I like pushing buttons and I also ran myself into a hole but still decided to post.
I don’t know.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should stop trying to push people’s buttons so much — especially over insignificant things — because sometimes people get annoyed with that.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but where’s the fun in that?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Really? You talked to Derek and asked him that? That’s fantastic reporting.
All you have done is argue on here. Are you here to talk sports with logical objections or are you just a politician working on your game face for PR? Seriously! That is an observation that I am assuming happened based of historical fact from previous players who have done/said things like this. So take your debate class somewhere else fwembt. What were you too lazy to come up with a name so you just randomly hit letters on the keyboard?
What in the heck are you talking about?
fwembt never claimed to know what DA was thinking or why he gave the apology — you did. That’s the difference. He doesn’t have to talk to Derek because he never claimed to know his motives. You were the one who said that you knew he didn’t mean it, that it only came from his agent. He was simply asking how you knew that. Maybe you should stop acting like you know the motives of someone just based on what you think you know about them and what you think you know about other situations.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but this is pretty obvious, is it not. Hell ESPN reported the same thing I said a few hours after I posted that. I can certainly post my opinion on here just as you can. I didn’t say I “knew” that, I stated my opinion. And the rest of it was he was just irritating me b/c every post he had was arguing with somebody about something they said or the way they said it. I never claimed to have “known” Derek, nor do I “know” the inside of what he is thinking. That is a very common observation and is common sense based on factual information from previous players stating things like this. C’mon man seriously.
and to further that notion, after the way Derek was treated (which I am not a fan of his) I would be ticked off too. Anybody that cheers when someone gets hurt shouldn’t be allowed in the freakin sports stadium. I realize he stunk that game, we all did, but I don’t agree with cheering for the way he went out.
Either case, the guy was ticking me off b/c he was arguing with everyone in the majority of his posts. It sounded more like he was practicing for a debate class or something. If you wanna get on here and post your opinion and argue that its one thing, but to pick apart little things about the way people state their opinion is a little ridiculous
This is what you said:
no that is his agent talking…not Derek. He still means every word he said
ESPN reported that? Really? They reported that he wasn’t sincere in his apology and he still mean every word he said? I must have missed that.
This is my problem (and you’re not the only person who does this, either). You pretend to know that he wasn’t sincere with his apology when you have no idea if that’s true. So fwembt asked you if you talked to Derek and asked him that, and then you went off on him. It’s not “common sense” to know that he wasn’t being sincere. Not at all. Unless, I suppose, you assume that athletes are always insincere in their apologies, but how could you know that?
So maybe from now on you can stop pretending that you know what someone else is thinking — unless they’ve told you something directly — and stick to commenting on what you do know. Or, at least, admit that you’re just speculating when someone else calls you on it.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but I assumed that it would be taken as my opinion….if I knew Derek and was an insider with him and his agent, or with the browns then why would I be on this post? I went off on him because of his smart@ss comment at the end.
Really? You talked to Derek and asked him that? That’s fantastic reporting.
that is not asking….and yes ESPN did say that
In the future though I will make sure to note that things are my opinion, which I would think 99% of people would have known.
No they, did not. No one has ever reported that DA was ever anything but sincere in his apology. Neither you nor I know what his motivation was, or what he thinks now. You are just guessing. That’s nothing more than you making an assumption about a person based on limited observation of him combined with assumptions you made about other people.
And no, I’m not practicing for debate. I’d just rather stick to the provable facts.
I saw it with my own two freakin eyes last night….they stated that was their opinion of the matter as well. I really wish I could remember the name of the guy that said it…but i’m telling you it was on sportscenter…they played a clip of a radio show from Cleveland with fans calling in then they asked the analysts his opinion afterwards. which agreed with me. That is a FACT. Granted that was their opinion…but it was on last night!
Meril Hodge was the one that gave that opinion last night…I remembered his face, but couldn’t remeber his name. Either case I’m not going to argue with anymore. Yes…that was an opinion of mine, yes…Meril Hodge stated the same opinion on ESPN last night, no…I do not assume to know every thought a player has, yes…it is VERY common for the agent to do damage control when an outburst like this comes along.
Meril Hodge was a Steeler who forgot how to read.
Don’t listen to him.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
by the way here is another from ESPN by Steve Levy saying it was the agent….maybe you should watch more sportscenter!
Also, SC pretty much sucks.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
That is still all just opinion. My point is that you don’t know, Merril Hoge doesn’t know, and neither does Steve Levy. An abundance of people making the same mistake doesn’t make them right. ESPN cannot report on the inner workings of DA any better than you can.
So, because some guy on ESPN said it, that makes it true? I didn’t know the SportsCenter hosts were so powerful and all-knowing!
After all, we know people never say anything dumb on ESPN.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hell ESPN reported the same thing I said a few hours after I posted that.
which was an OPINION…nothing more…whats your deal
So now ESPN “reports” on opinions? Since when? Don’t people report on facts, not opinions?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
you know how the media is now…they report opinions, facts, and sometimes just straight up lies as well. They should just do facts though.
That doesn’t pertain to the discussion we’re having. If you’re going to say ESPN “reported” something then it should be a fact, not some guy giving his opinion. ESPN has anchors who report facts and analysts who give opinions. There is a difference.
That would be like hearing Kirk Herbstreit say that he thinks Ohio State will win the national title and someone saying “ESPN reports that Ohio State will win the national title.” That’s not a report, that’s an opinion.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I said that they said exactly what I said originally. I never once stated they reportedly talked with Derek or his agent.
Hell ESPN reported the same thing I said a few hours after I posted that.
That’s exactly what you said. ESPN “reported” it was true. It wasn’t a report, it was an opinion.
Honestly . . . how many times do I have to keep saying this to you? Do you really not understand the difference?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
So, let me get this straight — it’s okay to quote anyone’s opinion as a “report” from a news source making it sound as if that was a fact? That’s perfectly acceptable to you? You don’t see any distinction between fact and opinion?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see any difference between a “report” as your taking it and as what espn was “reporting” on as I took it. No
Well, to everyone else, when you say that a news source “reports” something then they’re going to take it as a fact, not as an analyst giving their opinion. So you’d better stick to the definition that everyone else uses and not create your own.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is that analysts tend to analyze and give their opinion while reporters and anchors report what has occurred.
Giving the score of a game would be reporting, saying that a team lost because they ran the ball too much instead of passing would be an opinion that an analyst would give.
In the context of the discussion where what people know or what people think is the crux, misusing the word report is a big deal.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I get that…and will make sure to keep that a point now, but that wasn’t the point of this argument. If you read the whole thing, it was taken outta context and then didn’t ever get dropped. I get his point and I also get flem’s point and I do admit I don’t know what Derek truly feels, but didn’t expect my opinion to get this blown up. I just took Flem’s comment personal, then Brad chimed in. I’m just saying I stated an opinion, others agreed with me, ect….but yeah I will make that clear from here out.
All Kimble’s saying is that he thinks that DA’s agent encouraged the apology, which is a possibility. It’s just what he thinks.
I’m sure his agent did encourage the apology. That’s doesn’t mean it wasn’t sincere.
And, no, that’s not all he’s saying. He said Anderson wasn’t sincere in his apology, that he still meant his original comment, and he can’t know that.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know that there buddy ol pal. Just stating my OPINION. Thats why I keep calling it my OPINION
o·pin·ion
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Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
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a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven’t much of an opinion of him.
Did you really have to waste your time copying and pasting that?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I know it’s your opinion. That’s all fwembt was doing — pointing out that it was your opinion, that you didn’t know for sure (even though you said it like you did know).
I know what an opinion is. You don’t need to keep repeating that to me. In the future, if you’re going to give an opinion then you should make it sound like an opinion, not a fact.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
thank you, my lord, I humbly apologize for giving my opinion and showing that others thought the same opinion could be true. geez
Dude, you are missing the point entirely.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
You pretend to know that he wasn’t sincere with his apology when you have no idea if that’s true.
I was guilty of that, too.
it would have been different if he would have said something like, “maybe that is your opinion, but its not mine” or “is that actual information you got from derek” instead of his smart@ss comment.
“Browns have discussed dealing QB Brady Quinn with other teams.”
Per Adam Schefter.
Who the hell is going to start at QB for this team next year?
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"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s give it the whole offseason before we panic. My prediction was that the QB position would be completely overhauled.
Say if Quinn goes. We’re left with Wallace and Ratliff. Do you think Holgren’s going to draft a QB in the 1st now?
Not unless Bradford falls to us and that doesn’t look like it will happen.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think the spectrum has shifted.
There is the way the Rams pass Bradford up
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
the rams are almost certain to take bradford. at least thats the word. If they don’t take him the redskins will.
How about trading Quinn to…. Buffalo! They need a QB and might be willing to part with Donte Whitner or Marshawn Lynch. I’d love it.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Lynch is a bum and is not a Mangini guy. Wouldn’t happen.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Just speculating because he is a talented powerback who is unhappy in his current situation, so could be available. Never know, but like you said probably not.
Still seems like as good a trade partner as any. I would like to see Quinn have success in Buffalo, if he can’t have it here.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
So then what? We start Wallace for a year? (Assume Quinn’s gone.) Or do we go out and get a LeFevour-ish player in the draft?
a couple of articles were wrote that I read that he really like the kid…that along with Holmgren and his unique style of finding talent in QB’s that go in lower rounds makes him a perfect candidate. Who knows though, I could be way off???
For some reason, even though he sucks, I kind of don’t want to see Quinn go. I don’t know. I guess I just feel bad for him. He had a lot of potential and wanted to help lead the Browns back to being a playoff contender. Maybe it’s the hometown attachment that I’m a sucker for.
not panicing, just interested. I just can’t wait until all the puzzle pieces fall into place.
Update: James Walker Article about the Browns shopping Brady Quinn.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I like DA
Always have. I don’t think he’s a bad guy and I’m glad he apologised. I also think he’ll be a good fit somewhere else. Timing was never in his favour at Cleveland and I read his initial petulant reaction as disappointment with how it all ended. Being fired and knowing an element of the fan base never backed you in the first place, at least he was honest about being pissed off. And at least he manned up and apologised for the benefit of those fans who supported him when he was here.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Mar 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
DAnderson shouldn’t have said it, but right about Browns fans. Hope gets chance to muzzle Dog Pound. Made Pro Bowl in ’07! Better than BQ.
- Skip Bayless
When Skip Bayless agrees with you on something, it’s time to end the misery.
I used to hate Skip, but then I realized he doesn’t believe what he says. His job is to get people to hate him so that they watch the show and he does his job well. Most of the people they place across from him are so over their heads it’s laughable. The only option for 1st in 10 was to create a supervillian that everyone watching can hate so they ignore the jibberish coming from the others on the stage.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2008/11/30/676084/anderson-sprains-mcl#10387263
This was my recollection of the incident at the time.
I almost forgot how disgusted I was with DA at the time (from my other posts there).
fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com
Quinn looked good. I think he looks like a NFL caliber starter that could potentially be great.
Those were the days when we were able to think that…
Yeah, I was optimistic. Oh well.
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by Ryan Kelsey on Mar 11, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for posting this link. I read some of the comments below as well including the stuff that had D’Qwell Jackson’s quote. Reading the Jackson quote makes it seem like the players were disappointed, but he acknolwedges that it was only a small segment of the fans. This is why the Anderson quote pissed me off so much.
Haha, it’s funny to read again. I was making the same complaints about a few people representing an entire fanbase in that thread.
At least you’re consistent. By the way, Roger Dorn is now doing a pretty admirable job as a stand up dad in the show Psych. It’s always amusing to me to see him.
For some reason i like that show. It’s very goofy and has tons of comedic references.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I agree, i also like how they slip in little funny asides. I’m a big fan of shows that don’t take themselves too seriously.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Gus kills me.
The Ed Lover “C’mon Son” almost made me pee my pants.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 11, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually thinking of Gus’s little comments. He’s set up to be the straight man but they always give him some good lines to say that if you aren’t paying attention you would miss.
“The only thing she’s guilty of is being awesome.”
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Guard: “She is overstimulated by color”
Gus: “What about my face”?
Hilarious.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 12, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
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