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Devils Advocate: Why we should draft Jimmy Clausen


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Jimmy's handing off!

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Not my opinion, but the flip side of the coin.

Since we have barely touched on this subject, insert eye roll here, I thought I would touch on the subject of why we should draft Jimmy Clausen.

 

  • He is on the way up.  He has gotten better every year he was at Notre Dame.  His completion percentage went from 56.3 to 60.9 to 68.0.  That is quite a jump every year.  His YPA does the same from 5.12 to 7.21 to 8.76 in his final season.  His yards and TD/INT ratio do the same.  Not only is it possible, but you could argue that it is probable that we have yet to see the best of Jimmy Clausen.
  • Don't count Brady Quinn against Jimmy Clausen.  That was a Cleveland Brown problem, not a Jimmy Clausen problem.  After all, we aren't holding the fact that Vince Young has been a question mark against Colt McCoy.  The Browns, not Notre Dame or Jimmy Clausen, bungled the Brady Quinn-Browns marriage.
  • What do John Elway, Dan Marino and Phillip Rivers all have in common?  All are great quarterbacks and all are a-holes.  I don't care if Jimmy Clausen is a good guy.  I don't care if he pushes old ladies down getting on the bus.  None of this stuff matters between the white lines.  He has never been arrested or in major trouble.  Getting sucker punched outside a bar could mean he is an a-hole who was running his mouth or he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Neither one of those scenarios matter on 3rd and 9.
  • Clausen does everything well, but nothing amazing.  His tools all rank somewhere around above average to very good.  Easy to fall in like with, but hard to fall in love with.  Why is this a good thing?  Because he has already had the corners rounded out.  Clausen has the minor nuances of quaterbacking down.  He needs the extra bump to get into the star area.  That is what Holmgren and company do best, make the good great.  Sounds like Clausen to me.
  • He has played on one of the biggest stages of college football and excelled.  Every week Notre Dame is on national TV.  They are rivals with about 8 different schools.  Imagine the intensity of Ohio State vs. Penn State eight times a year (Don't say Ohio State - Michigan, nothing in sports matches that intensity).  Every week ND gets the best shot from Navy, Michigan State, Boston College, etc.  The bright lights of the NFL won't bother Clausen.
  • When the chips were down, Clausen was at his best.  The best passing defense he faced all season, Purdue, he went down the field in the last 2 minutes, converting a 3rd and 14 and a 4th and 2, going 6-9 for 69 yards and a TD on fourth down.  He put up huge numbers against Pac10 runner-up Stanford.  Same for Pro Football factory USC.  You would be hard pressed to point at a single Notre Dame game last season and say "Jimmy Clausen was the reason we lost".  Isn't that something that the Browns could use at QB today?  
  • Jimmy Clausen never had a great running attack.  He never had a RB that he could hand the ball to and salt away a lead.  It was on Jimmy's shoulders from kickoff to final gun.  True, he had fantastic targets in which to pass to, but it was still up to him to get them the ball.  This past season they had the 85th ranked rushing offense, with a QB who couldn't be stopped.  How does that happen?  The next time that Jimmy Clausen sees a 8 man front, it may be the first time he ever has. 
  • Clausen is going to be much easier to get than Sam Bradford.  We have covered the possibility in trading up to number one, but what about staying at seven and drafting a QB?  Yes, Clausen may not have the ceiling that Bradford has, but there is a decent chance that Clausen becomes a star himself.  How great would it be if we get Clausen at seven, and then add a target in Arrelious Benn or Golden Tate in the second round.  With the running attack of Harrison-Davis-Hillis and MoMass-Benn-Watson we have a real future on offense.  Bradford will cost a ton, Clausen will cost a first rounder.  Advantage Clausen.

So what do you say Browns fans, is Jimmy Clausen a good pick for the Browns? 

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(Read article before voting) What do you think about drafting Jimmy Clausen?
Take him. He is just as good, if not better, than Bradford
159 votes
I want him, but only if we can get into the 13-20 pick area
153 votes
I like him, but we have more pressing needs
195 votes
Nope, there are lower rated QB's I like better
423 votes

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I don’t care if he pushes old ladies down getting on the bus.

Legit lol.

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

What about pushing young women into dirty bathrooms? Maybe the character issue is a little more important in this era of camera phones, tweets, and TMZ.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I suppose the proper phrasing would be something like, “I don’t care if he pushes down old ladies getting the bus, so long as he doesn’t get caught.”

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like you were choking down vomit while typing this.

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Not as much as the one that goes up tomorrow.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ruh roh

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Devils Advocate: Why we should trade the #7 pick for Ben Roethlisberger

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Apr 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, that would be an interesting article to read. Although I think Bernie might kill himself before he finished.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Bernie his real name?

by Matt Y. on Apr 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Kosar is his last name as well.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and TRSS IS the Real Slim Shady.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 20, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we all KNOW that Mooncamping is either Mike Holmgren or Tom Heckert.

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 20, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going Heckert.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 20, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess it is a drunk Phil Savage just stopping by to ’eff with us.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought that was Kwoog?

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Apr 21, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I could read that one with out vomiting myself

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

drafting Tebow before the third round?

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bodog is offering +260 on Tebow being drafted on or after the 51st pick. Am I missing something, or is this free money?

Is this the whale section?

by sarcasmdave on Apr 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are four major QB’s in this draft (Bradford, Clausen, McCoy, Tebow)

A month ago I thought that McCoy and Tebow would both last to the third. Now, I think three go in the first round and Tebow is damn near a lock to go in the second at the latest.

I personally think Tebow’s floor is 41st overall with Buffalo.

Those kind of odds though it may be worth dropping something down.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am in fear of the near future…

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"

by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually had myself questioning one of my core football beliefs.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am excited for this one because I think I need it.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could ask…but I’m guessing we’ll know tomorrow.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"

by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we know what this core belief is?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t ruin the suspense!

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of cross, but made me laugh.

by emily522 on Apr 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot to add that Clausen adjusted very well to his shitty line. His junior year he was great at getting the ball out quick, rolling to avoid pressure and picking up blitzes. His sack number went from worst in the NCAA to average not because of the line getting better, but from him making the adjustment. His deep ball game is starting to worry me a little though

by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

His sack number went from worst in the NCAA to average not because of the line getting better

care to back that up?

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say the line got better significantly better (but remained below average), but Clausen also started making fewer freshmen errors that included holding the ball too long and trying to beat linebackers and ends around corners instead of throwing the ball into the stands.

by Western Reserve on Apr 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree he improved some but its pretty naiive to give him 100% of the credit for an improvement in sakc numbers. the line DID get better when I did watch it.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to say that I love the caption under the picture. I think that would be the best part of drafting Jimmy Clausen — we could make “Jimmy’s getting sacked! Jimmy likes throwing to Robiskie!” jokes all the time in game threads. It’s almost worth picking him just for that reason.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Also! I voted for option 2. I’ve never had anything against Clausen, like some people here, so if we can trade down to pick him in the teens while getting some extra picks then I’d be fine with that.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I picked as well.

In other words, Jimmy feels somewhat welcomed to DBN.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a great idea, because if he gets past Buffalo he’ll definitely slip. But the issue is him getting past buffalo. If STL shocks the world and goes with Suh first overall, then we’ll be in an amazing position.

by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am in STL right now and heard an interesting clip on the radio of an interview with Clausen discussing the Rams. Jimmy indicated that he had extensive dialogue with the Rams, more than he expected. Potential trade down for the Rams? PFT was indicating earlier today that the Rams were also more likely to trade down without asking for as much as the draft value chart was asking.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could probably trade with the Browns and still get Clausen at 7, if we want to move up to get Bradford. As I mentioned before, if St. Louis isn’t in love with Bradford they’d be willing to trade down without asking for too much in return just to save money.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be great. I really like Clausen, but Bradford is an intriguing prospect.
Essentially I would be ecstatic to have either, but I feel that if we grab one of the QBs, we should spend our other picks getting him support.

I do think STL is going to take Suh, just for the fact that the other top 5 teams at the end of the year weren’t in a position to take QB’s, but STL were still throwing their games away despite there not being a threat. They had to have their eyes on someone other than a QB

by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt the Rams were throwing games at the end of last season just so they could draft a certain player.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never know.

Evidence of a possible Suh pick-up: Carriker gets traded to Raiders!!!

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 20, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see San Fran taking him.

The fans there would also probably like it.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 20, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here. seems to be solid reasoning to me.

by drjeo on Apr 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

JIMMY’S GETTING PANCAKED!

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy doesn’t like misunderstandings…

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say this with complete sincerity: that joke would never get old, even after 1,367th time.

I’m all for drafting him at 7.

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by rolub on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tmqpncAtpE

Jimmy doesn’t like to fumble.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy’s not threatened by Jimmy’s sexuality. Jimmy’s happy for Jimmy.

If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.

by Brownie's Year on Apr 20, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Neither one of those scenarios matter on 3rd and 9.

Unless someone on the O – Line was the one who punched him… Then it may become 4 and 20.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

i know you were joking, but along the same lines, all of that stuff does matter. if all of your teammates hate you, thats not a good thing.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t saying all of Clausen’s teammates hate Jimmy, he was saying if they all hated him it would be a problem.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I was just running back what he said to me. But regardless it needs not to be said that if everyone hated him there would be a problem. obviously

by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

one day i’ll figure out how to post a picture here…..

by sleepy042 on Apr 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is genius.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

words don’t describe.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on Apr 20, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is phenomenal.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 20, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this isn’t the greatest thing since sliced bread then we’re gonna have to invent a new categorie.

The Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, the Meltdown...still hopefull.

by dawgtribe on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you get flagged if you start fighting with your own team?

Is it like that scene in Major League 2 where the bench fights with themselves and they are all tossed? Seeing a fight break out in a team huddle would be a thing to see.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or like the Giants dugout when Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent played.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the Replacements starring Kenua Reeves as Shaun Falco of Ohio St. in their first game huddle.

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 20, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been flagged back in High School for cussing out my O-line. I played QB and I was getting tired of picking myself up after getting creamed from the blind side!!!

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a former LT, respect man.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

see my comment below…it was more calling them out for being lazy asses that game. If I know and have seen my O-line look 300times better in other games, then hell yeah I’m gonna call them out for being lazy every time.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a former RB, I told my line that they “better start blocking”. Let’s just say I learned a lesson real quick.

If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.

by Brownie's Year on Apr 20, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly. that is not the way to talk to your linemen, even if they deserve it.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you’re the unquestioned leader aka the starting QB. If you’re getting hit out there you have a right, nay, the RESPONSIBLITY to tell pull their head out of their ass, them what they did wrong, and tell them what they need to do to fix it.

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 20, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is only true if you enjoy the taste of grass.

your linemen know how to block. the correct way to get them to do it better is to sound encouraging and upbeat, even when you aren’t getting time. say things like “we can do this guys, time to step it up.” instead of laying blame on other people, take some responsibility, include yourself. tell them you’ll get the ball out as quick as you can. if you act like a stuck up douche, like your post implies, you are being a poor leader, and your linemen will hate you.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. And you will probably get hit in the mouth.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 20, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always stick up for my boys up front.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. Locker room beat down? Hell yes.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would probably go something like this:

Awesome.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember seeing that replay. Awesome is exactly right. The only thing that would make that better is if it were a Grammatica.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Allow me to clarify then. When a QB gets sacked, it may because the line didn’t execute their blocking assignments when they should have. The QB knows what adjustments were supposed to be made and he needs to let his guys know that they screwed up. You don’t have to be a jerk to let your line know that your freakin’ P.O.d when they don’t get that right.

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 21, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually they all got their crap together after I did that and the rest of the game was much better. They were being lazy and getting blown off the line of scrimmage that game. I called them on it and they got it fixed. I think of myself as a leader of that team and they took my opinion seriously. After that we ended up running the ball something like 10 times in a row to a touchdown on the same play over and over. It was more of a “C’mon gd’it, wtf is going on with you guys” type thing. Not really me beating down on them. Best part was on the next weeks practice after watching film the coach lined up all the linemen and told me I had a free shot with a 20yd sprint at them. Naturally I did not take advantage of this b/c I need those guys to trust me.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i should have pointed out that this type of thing is context sensitive. you obviously know your team best, and if they were being lazy you have every right to call them on it. there is a very fine line between good yelling and bad yelling.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

this…and I should have pointed all this out in my initial post. Though I still think you deserve a REC for your initial response. I didn’t clarify that much, my bad.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I voted that there were other QBs i liked better. I would be perfectly fine with trading back into the teens and taking Clausen, but I have a bit of a man-crush on Colt McCoy, and I’m sticking to my gut on that one.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Ditto.

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by danvail on Apr 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like him at all, I think he is a cocky overrated player who would just hurt the Browns. Sounds like Quinn to me.

"We don't take no prisoners! I say we kill'em, every other team! THat way we don't got to feed them or nothing!
-Coach Kevin Hockett

by brownsboy14 on Apr 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Holmgren buys into the B19K philosophy that you don’t draft QB’s outside of the 1st and expect them to be solid starters (and I pretty much do buy into that philosophy – I just ain’t Mike Holmgren). Holmgren’s philosophy is that he can find a decent QB in a later round, and turn him into a good/great QB. So using a 1st on a QB is really only for very exceptional circumstances – it’s better to use that pick on other positions. He has never drafted a QB in the first. His greatest successes were with QB’s taken later (Montana (3d), Favre (2d*), Hasselbeck (6th), Young (Supp. 1st by TB then traded to 49ers for some low round picks) So he does not take QB’s in the 1st round unless he thinks they are way, way ahead of the competition. I just don’t think he sees that in Clausen so I don’t see him using a 1st round pick on him. He’s thinking that he can find someone that he can make just as good as he can make Clausen for a lower price.

*Traded a 1st for him though so somewhat an exception.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

He has never drafted a QB in the first.

How many years was Holmgren in charge of the draft? And in any of those years, did the team actually need a QB?

Just because he didn’t draft a QB in the first round the few years he ran the draft in Seattle doesn’t mean that he’s against it. That team had Matt Hasselback so they didn’t need a QB. I don’t really see how you can read anything in to his drafting philosophy from that.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Steeler friend said that he watched a show saying that Holmgren picked 11 QBs in the first round out of the 17 Holmgren was attributed to. I said “Wut?”

He was adamant that this show was telling the truth…

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Apr 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in any of those years, did the team actually need a QB?

This is the important part.

Holmgren has never needed a QB like he has here in Cleveland. Everywhere else he has gone he has either had the QB on staff (Favre) or traded for him before the draft (Hasselbeck). This is a new situation for Holmgren.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true BK. He’s never been on a team that was desperate for a QB. Two things keep coming to my mind that’ve been said a gazillion times: 1. Holmgren has NEVER taken a QB in the 1st, and 2. Heckert said that they expect the #7 pick to start immediately.

To this I say: SMOKESCREEN!!!!

As much as I don’t like saying this, I’ve got a gut feeling that if they don’t trade down they’re gonna take Clausen.

The Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, the Meltdown...still hopefull.

by dawgtribe on Apr 21, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if Berry is gone we will play Trade-down roulette and try to grab Claussen as close to the end of the 1st or the 2nd as we can.

I don’t know, the FO is putting out more smoke than Eyjafjallajökull.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec for the accent on the o.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 21, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Posts BK!

I have really enjoyed your draft posts – thanks.

by realmccoy on Apr 20, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m wondering about Dan Lefevour…
Is he the kind of guy Holmgren would pick up later on to develop?
Bradford, Clausen, and McCoy seem to be the only “almost ready” QBs.
So if you’re picking a project do you take Tim Tebow, Tony Pike, Jarrett Brown, or Dan Lefevour? Or do you go with one of those other guys like Max Hall, Daryll Clark, Jevan Snead, etc? My guess is Lefevour (assuming his arm strength is adequate).

by Bumblyjack on Apr 20, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

At some point in time Snead would be worth a look.

We are talking about a guy who 12 months ago was a contender to be the first pick overall.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 20, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might consider him by the 5th round.

I like his physical skills but everything else I was unimpressed with. I was recently listening to a Move the Sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah. The one thing he said that scouts look at maybe the most with QBs is poise in the pocket; the ability to find the right guy and throw under pressure. I didn’t see good poise at all from Snead. They also put good value on decision making and that was terrible last year.

I think he is worth a look but at this point, I would only take him as a project QB who would sit for a few years.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be shocked if we don’t have a QB by the fifth round.

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by woodsmeister on Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would be too. I was just pointing out where i would take snead.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the USA today about this kid out of Fordham. “Jaws” says he is raw, throws ropes, and is barn strong. John Skelton, 6’6" 240, ESPN got on his case for not working hard enough. He questions ESPN. he played with a torn patella tendon for most of his Junior year. Maybe a chance late in the draft. Who knows.

by Grockcubs on Apr 20, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I wanted an option between liking him more than Bradford and having to move down. I might pick him even at #7 in the right situation. The top three on my board are Suh, Berry, and Bradford. If all three are gone, Clausen is in that next tier of players for me because of the position he plays.

I think he is somewhat of a gamble—as I have discussed ad nauseum and prefer to let those who disagree have their own opinions—whereas there are other safer possible picks who probably wouldn’t bring as much of a reward if they panned out. Clausen is bigger risk, but huge reward. I probably wouldn’t pick him, but I wouldn’t be upset if Holmgren did; I’d just be nervous.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 20, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

this.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Apr 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Holmgren could work magic with Clausen (or probaby Colt McCoy). What I wonder is if he can spin straw into gold at the WR position.

by Bumblyjack on Apr 21, 2010 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Your multiple choice poll is actually a limited choice poll.
No good option is no option at all.
All bad options leaves you no choice.
These are your personal possibilities if not potential realities camouflaged as some type of demonstrated graciousness in dispensing choices.
It also leaves those who don´t like the options you present to deal with the options you quaintly don´t mention. So if you can´t choose one of your options, you are left with a greater need to defend what you think.
It´s a clever ploy, but is it original? Not really.

by mooncamping on Apr 21, 2010 5:20 AM EDT reply actions  

No good option is no option at all.
All bad options leaves you no choice.

Then pretend you are in a submarine. And you’re sinking.

by Western Reserve on Apr 21, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then here is an idea, instead of crapping all over the choices, tell us your opinion.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

playing with fire B19K.

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is pretty frustrating when you spend a lot of time on a solid post and mooncamping is right there to trash you and your work.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Apr 22, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how you could possibly be offended by anything he writes, but then again I am not the one putting the good effort into those posts that you guys do.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 22, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you know my original opinion.
The top 10 quarterback acquire list, once we had concluded that Jay Cutler would most likely not be available, whence the ones that were signed are no longer available, leaves:
-Jared Zabransky
-Chris Pizzotti
-Jimmy Clausen
-Kevin Craft
and due to some changes in quality designation, now must include:
-Colt McCoy
-Tim Tebow
-Tim Hiller
and whence having realized that the guy I deemed a Redskin for life, won´t be:
-Jason Campbell.
Then my plan was to designate Jimmy Clausen as the best quarterback in the draft, and trade up to the #1 pick, because trust is not indicated, when pursuing your annointed quarterback, and demonstrate your willingness to give the guy what he´s worth, resulting in wishing well from around the league, so his successful career in Cleveland can ensue.

You all also know, that I think Brett Ratliff is good enough to at least run the offense. I´d start him over Delhomme and Wallace. If you like a quarterback next year, such as Ricky Stanzi, I don´t think we´re in trouble. BUT!!! mooncamping perogative is always: “We try to win!”. And I´m peeved at the convolute, that seems to say, lightning must not strike twice, regarding the excellent and enthusiasm generating quarterback Jimmy Clausen out of Notre Dame, and the quarterback retaining his potential but not happening in Cleveland Brady Quinn out of Notre Dame. If we´re in the least bit entitled to him, this is a must make move to me.

by mooncamping on Apr 22, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

given his reponse below, i wouldn’t sweat it too much. you’re doing a fine job, despite the ramblings of a few knuckleheads.

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

given his reponse below above

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last sentence was wrong: So if I or we can´t choose one of your options, I or we are left with a greater need to defend what I or we think.

by mooncamping on Apr 21, 2010 5:22 AM EDT reply actions  

You made some great points for Jimmy Clausen though.

by mooncamping on Apr 21, 2010 5:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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