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Devils Advocate: Why we should draft CJ Spiller

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This has been the exact view that ACC defenses have had of Spiller for four seasons.

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These are not my views per se, but the flip side of the coin.

Why should the Browns sink a first round pick into Running Back?

 

  • Just because idiots like Bernie19Kosar think that Running Backs are mostly a dime a dozen doesn't mean that we shouldn't take Spiller.  This is because Spiller isn't a regular RB.  He is a freak.  We are talking about a guy who walked onto campus and took time away from starter, and current Brown, James Davis.  In case you forgot, James Davis was pretty freakin' sweet at Clemson, yet Spiller came in and took 45% of the workload.
  • Seriously.  Dude.  Is.  Freakin'.  Nasty.  Please take 8 minutes out of your day and watch these.  The juke moves he put on Georgia Tech are straight out of Playstation 3.  
  • There is speed, then there is rare speed.  The gear that separates the Chris Johnson's and Devin Hester's from the Jerome Harrison's and Ronnie Brown's of the NFL.  CJ Spiller has this gear.  The old adage of "If I am even, I am leavin'" applies to Spiller.  If he hits a crack, he is gone.  If he gets a seam, forget about it.  Watch the tape and watch how he pulls away from everyone, including guys who have angles on him.  Does that remind you of anyone?
  • This offense is devoid of any playmakers.  Jerome Harrison is a nice player, but not in the same galaxy as CJ Spiller.  So if we don't have a QB, why not add in a playmaker that can be simply handed the ball?  Hell, even Jake Delhomme can do that right?  With Thomas-Steinbach-Mack blowing open holes, we would have a rushing duo to go against the best in the NFL.  Paul Brown himself would be proud.
  • Spiller is far and away the best RB in this draft.  This isn't like the DT's, OT's or QB's.  There is no debate who the first RB in the draft is.  Ryan Matthews is a nice player, but we aren't talking the level of a Spiller.  If we walk away from this draft with the best player at a position, isn't that a win for the Browns?
  • Spiller is rounded.  We are talking about a RB that has 123 catches in his career.  That is more catches than Demaryius Thomas has in his career!  Arrelious Benn only has 36 more.  We are talking about a RB that knows how to catch the ball.  This is a guy who can play all three downs.  No other RB in the draft is as versatile catching the ball and returning kicks as CJ Spiller.
  • I know that 30 is a scary number for RB's, but Spiller will 23 on opening day.  That would mean we get 6-7 seasons of top flight explosion from a game breaker.  The dangerous contract for Running Backs is the second one, not the first one.  Why worry about that problem now?  Did I mention that he only had 606 carries in his entire college career?  Adrian Peterson had 747 in his injury plagued career at Oklahoma.  Spiller is still damn near brand new!  
  • Stick with me.  Let's say that the Browns draft Colt McCoy/Tim Tebow in the second round.  Is there anything better than a powerful running attack to help a youngster QB along?  Spiller-Harrison-Davis-Hillis-Vickers would be a hell of a backfield.  Put them behind a very good offensive line and you have the perfect situation in which a young QB can grow in.  Isn't that what Baltimore did with Flacco?  Falcons with Matt Ryan?  Spiller is the key in letting this offense grow together.  
  • We could possibly trade Jerome Harrison.  I like Harrison as much as the next fellow, but all the sudden our backfield is really crowded with talented runners.  No matter how many times we hand the ball off, four RB's are going to be tough to please.  So why not flip Harrison, whose stock may be at its peak, and his one year tender offer for a 3rd or 4th round pick.  No, it isn't a great pick but it could be a pass rusher or a CB.  Every little bit helps right? 

So what do you say DBN?  Should the Browns take the dive and grab Spiller at seven?  Only one Devils Advocate left!

Poll
(Read the article before you vote) Would you draft CJ Spiller at seven overall?
Yes, he is the best offensive playmaker in this draft. We need those.
137 votes
I like Spiller, but not at seven. Target him if we trade down.
236 votes
I think Bernie19 is right, RB's are mostly replaceable, why risk it?
109 votes
I don't want Spiller at all, take a bigger back to bang in the trenches during snow storms
75 votes

557 votes | Poll has closed

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A Thunder and Lightning reunion? Hmmmmm…

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

those were some sick moves he put on GT

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

If the first six off the board (in no particular order) are Bradford, Suh, Berry, Okung, Haden, and McCoy and there is absolutely no value in trading down, is taking Spiller the worst thing we can do? Is the risk/reward on reaching for Morgan or Thomas better than reaching on Spiller? I could talk myself into this fairly easily.

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by rolub on Apr 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

This is how I feel and why I asked Bernie to make a post like this, in case I needed to feel better about drafting a RB.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 21, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read below about Pittsburgh shopping Ben around? I hate the Steelers but they are sticking to their guns with Ben on a “we don’t tolerate this behavior” level.

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll believe it when I see it.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 21, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo. If they do trade BB, I will admit I was wrong.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Spiller’s going to be awesome. And no, I don’t think taking him would be the worst thing either.

by emily522 on Apr 21, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping for a poll option that covered this feeling: “I [kind of] like Spiller, but I don’t think we should draft him because we already have Harrison and Peyton.” I really don’t think any of those above can fit in that scenario.

by Simmsinns on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Isn’t that what Mooncamping is always talking about? Out of the options you have no choices?

by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 21, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Berry is not there, that CJ will be the Browns’ pick. He would be an immediate impact and reminds me of a Percy Harvin like player. And as it was pointed out would open up Harrison to trades, possibly part of a trade to move back in the first round to pick up McCoy (if needed), or for a pick that could get a Safety like Chad Jones or a Corner like Ansah.

by OSUMoneyball on Apr 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

He is more of a Chris Johnson type of player to me. Harving is more of a WR who can carry the ball.

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by bross09 on Apr 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So wait a minute…what made writing this worse than writing about drafting Clausen? I r confuze….

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate “wasting” a high pick on a RB.

I am 100% against using a first round pick on an offensive lineman. I would rather use the pick on an offensive lineman, because I think 80% of a RB’s job is based on the offensive line. If we want a better ground attack, why not draft Iupati?

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gotcha. Or we could just draft a better RB who can make moves (like Spiller) in the event the line breaks down, or just sucks.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am 100% against using a first round pick on an offensive lineman. I would rather use the pick on an offensive lineman

Now I’m confused…LOL

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol. I think B19K meant if he had to choose one or the other.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am 100% against using a first round pick on an offensive linemanrunning back. I would rather use the pick on an offensive lineman

I think this is what he was going for…

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, or that.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, that is what he meant.

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by rufio on Apr 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant RB. This is what I get for typing on my blackberry.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew this was going to be the next one.

As a Clemson fan, I want to say “YEAH DRAFT HIM!” But as a Browns fan, I’m going to say no. I wouldn’t be totally pissed about it, and I’d only be for it if Berry was gone and no one else was available at 7 who we really wanted.

I’d rather take him than Clausen honestly.

by emily522 on Apr 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I think I might actually rather have Clausen. I’m at least in favor of Spiller over Bryant, though.

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by danvail on Apr 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. If all our guys ended up being taken 1-6 then I wouldn’t go crying if we got Spiller.

by skipkirk on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voted for “trade down” choice. Although I think we’re going to stay at 7, pick someone, and trade into the late 1st to get Colt.

by emily522 on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t want Spiller at all, take a bigger back to bang in the trenches during snow storms

for the 5 that have voted this so far, I hope the last phrase was not your reasoning; Chris Johnson does fine in cold weather, and leveraging that one game a season where the snow may be too much to run and make cuts against the other 15 games is not a winning formula, and really just something for people with no logical thought process to talk about in December.

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by rolub on Apr 21, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. I think the whole “cold weather” thing is a little played out.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

its important in the sense that running the ball is much more important in the cold and snow, because passing can be near impossible, but its not like one running back is really that much better than any other in that situation.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding, especially when you look at the schedule this year and they’ll be down south for a few games in Nov/Dec. Cold weather won’t be a factor.

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by dawgtribe on Apr 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. We’ve seen plenty of examples of football games in snow and cold weather with lot of passing yards (Kelly Holcomb in the playoffs against the Steelers). This idea that the Browns need to base their offense on running the football because we’re a northern city — which I hear from many fans — is a complete fallacy.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this article would be a whole lot worse. You got my hopes up for basically nothing BK. I was hoping for a 1st round draft pick trade for Big Ben!

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Flag for wanting to read a post about Ben playing in Cleveland!

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s more Devil’s Advocate then drafting Spiller!

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your point is valid, however the flag remains for hoping to read such a thing

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not Devil’s Advocate, that’s Straight Satan himself.

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by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So there’s a Gay Satan?

The Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, the Meltdown...still hopefull.

by dawgtribe on Apr 22, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

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by Villeslgr on Apr 22, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I told a guy I work with about the rumor of them trading Ben. I said even if he landed in Cleveland and took us to a Super Bowl, we’d still boo him. He said I was wrong and we wouldn’t boo him.

I felt inclined to smack him across the face.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Thomas is on his way to your work right now to pancake your associate.

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. I can get his autograph.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, get out of the building! It’s not safe!

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by danvail on Apr 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This; those who have been consumed by Joe Thomas’ collateral damage number in the thousands.

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Remember Katrina? Road trip prior to his Junior year.

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by danvail on Apr 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he live next door to Bernie?

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by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That SOB heard the Browns were listening to an offer for Big Ben and he hit the road. Said he will be back Friday if we draft Berry. If not, he will see me Monday.

He’s getting smarter.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i’d encourage everyone to flag this. no offense SB, but this needs flagged repeatedly.

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

not so crazy.

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by rolub on Apr 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo? Please?

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing Oakland would be the favorite, but probably Buffalo next likely.

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by rolub on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seattle maybe as well?

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, they have Seneca Wall…wait a tick…

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Might as well guess ’em all. We have a 1-in-10 shot…

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t do it.

I am willing to overlook a lot of things in rooting for my football team. I have rooted for drug dealers, drunks and all around shady characters.

But when we are talking about the acts that BB did, I am out. I don’t care if he wasn’t charged. I don’t care if a DA doesn’t see enough evidence to convict. I see a pattern of behavior of a sexual deviant. If you think that these are two random encounters I have news for you. Only 36% of rapes are reported. You really expect that these two women are the only two? The GBI uncovered another woman who claims molestation by this pervert in their investigation. I am sure there are others who would rather bite their lip and stay quiet and just put it behind them. The dude is a menace and should be castrated.

Sports are very important to me, but they sure as hell aren’t more important than my morals. If BB became a Brown, I honestly don’t know if I could continue being a fan of a franchise that I have followed since birth.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

well said B19, well said

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

this one probably convinced me more than any of the others. that electric of a playmaker would be awesome; that and a trade back for colt would be outstanding.

by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Where is Spiller expected to get drafted anyway?

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I personally think he goes to Seattle at 6.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be interesting, they’re as much of a wildcard as we are at this point, they could go a lot of different directions.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d totally be down for Spiller actually. I think all of the reasons you listed are legit. Is this someone we could trade down for though? Maybe with someone who REALLY wants Jimmy Clausen?

by King Tony on Apr 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe with someone who REALLY wants Jimmy Clausen?

That team exists?

Sorry for the over-the-top anti-Clausen garbage.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol well now I see the NFP has Tebow ahead of Clausen going to Buffalo at #9!?

by King Tony on Apr 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller-Harrison-Davis-Hillis-Vickers would be a hell of a backfield.

Not to mention Cribbs ocassionally.

by emily522 on Apr 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

AND throw Seneca in at QB

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably the least convincing Devil’s Advocate. You made some interesting points in the first two, but frankly I just waved off each bullet point here like a grumpy old man.

Bah! Humbug!

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by danvail on Apr 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I am using these DA pieces to actually imagine the Browns making that selection and talking myself into the pick. It will be helpful come tomorrow when Berry is off the board.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 21, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

At first, for whatever reason, I thought you were talking about Derek Anderson.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha me too, and my stomach started tying itself into a knot in anticipation.

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by danvail on Apr 21, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. I thought, what does Derek Anderson have to do with the Browns’ picks in the draft?

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 21, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time lying to myself, though.

Well, not that hard of a time. I’m here after all.

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by danvail on Apr 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear to you, this is why I started doing these.

When the Browns drafted K2, I had a deep hatred for him. It took me 45 minutes to talk myself into loving him.

I figured I might as well start ahead of time. I convinced myself of almost all of these, with this one being the hardest.

The one I am posting tonight, I think may be the best one of all. I actually scared myself.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did this with Quinn, Wimbley, and Faine.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 22, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of the few times a 40 time is a really really meaningful number is when

a. The player in question is a RB, WR, LB, DB, or TE.

The player in question’s 10 yard split is not sluggish

c. The 40 time makes you question if it is the fastest ever run at the given position.

Spiller is fast, but I don’t see what puts him into the “Chris Johnson fast” category and not the “Reggie Bush fast” category. Maybe I am missing something.

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by rufio on Apr 21, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

b- the player in question’s 10 yard split is not sluggish

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by rufio on Apr 21, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have watched many Clemson games and tapes (I watched a lot last season because of my bromance with James Davis).

No one ever catches this kid from behind. He is that fast.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught a portion of one of Clemson’s games last year, and you’re right — Spiller plays wicked fast.

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by golanbatrac on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what little i’ve seen, he gets up to speed remarkably fast as well.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Bush ever get caught from behind?

He looks really fast in the ACC. The ACC isn’t the NFL.

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by rufio on Apr 22, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bush didn’t look to be half as fast as Spiller though.

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by golanbatrac on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Bush looked pretty fast.

I am also kinda dissing the ACC’s defenses here, if unintentionally. VT is always good, but haven’t been the defensive powerhouse they have been in years past. UNC has some really good defensive players, but I feel like they are building from being so bad that they aren’t great yet either. Some great players in the ACC, but it is hard for me to see a lot of great, fast defenses.

I could very well end up being wrong, but I don’t think Spiller becomes the new Chris Johnson. I know he’s fast, but I don’t think he’s fast like that.

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by rufio on Apr 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

BC has a great defense.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure where to put this, but we are all aware of the Eric Wright situation right? Also didn’t Elam have some problems as well?

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

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by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

What situation are you referring to?

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was accused of rape also before he transferred. I stress the accused because from everything that I’ve read it seems he was innocent. In these type of situations I tend to prefer to just stay out of it, because rape and the accusation of rape is something that can destroy lives and it’s a very serious situation.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

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by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want the most heated DA segment ever, you should make one on the possibility of the Browns trading their pick for Big Ben.

by King Tony on Apr 21, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the kid, spiller. But I’m not a big fan of a running back early for this team. We already have a pretty good “slash” guy in josh cribbs and frankly an elite RB is more of a “luxury pick” these days. In my opinion we would be better off solidifying the defense and offensive line this year and hopefully finding a quarterback. Then if we get most of that right we would be in better position to make a “luxury pick” next year.

However if the front office trades down (no berry) and thinks spiller is the BPA, I suppose it isn’t too bad. One thing I do know is that I feel that our RB situation really isn’t pretty bad. Between Harrison and James Davis I think we might be better off than some think. Add in the versatile Peyton Hillis (love the possibilities with this kid) and the upstart Chris Jennings I think we can afford to see what we’ve got.

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by jaws. on Apr 21, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I am going to predict that Jennings isn’t on the opening day roster.

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t doubt it but I wouldn’t mind if he was on the roster. I’d rather trade some of our low round picks or try for some linemen than use a 5th or whatever on a RB at this point.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on Apr 21, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, what does he bring us that is that valuable to keep him? I was not overly impressed when I saw him play. we already have davis and hillis and harrison. I would rather draft a guy in the 7th or get a UDFA who doesn’t have assault charges. he is completely replacable.

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by bross09 on Apr 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still consider our backfield to be Harrison-Hillis-Jennings.

We know Jennings is replacable. Davis hasn’t proved anything whatsoever. If Spiller is BPA Jennings are Davis could be cut anytime.

by skipkirk on Apr 21, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather have Gerhart.

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 21, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, but it’d be crazy because Gerhart is white.

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i heard he’s slow, nevermind 40 times or anything.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard he’s slow

A lot of this is based on his skin color guaranteed. I think that’s what you’re getting at right?

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m pretty sure he was making a joke in reference to a previous conversation that was held prior earlier

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by Villeslgr on Apr 21, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. But this reasoning has just recently been brought up Nationally.

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was joking, i was actually one of the biggest proponents of gerhart around here for a long time.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s fast as hell.

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

his career may only last about 4 years, but hits like that would be worth it.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely! Talking about leaving cleat marks down somebody’s chest

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by Kimble_79 on Apr 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was that Claussen outside a bar wearing #4?

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by Villeslgr on Apr 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love gerhart as much, if not more than, the next guy, but the pick it would take to get him is probably too high.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ve got Peyton Hillis. Hes a Gerhart who can catch it.

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by jaws. on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. We already have a white running back, why do we need to get another one? They’re all the same, you know.

by Buckeye Brad on Apr 21, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

All slow and unreliable. Hell, he’ll break his ankles if he tries to make a cut at half the speed of Spiller… which probably still isn’t full speed for Gerhart.

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He runs a 4.5 (?) Not that slow

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 21, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

…You’re extremely oblivious.

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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s your proff that Gerhart can’t catch? You have none. Shut up.

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if he can or not, but he really hasn’t flashed that ability in college (39 catches in 3 years).

by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, 39 isn’t anything. But he has never really had to catch the ball in that program. He can catch though. I’ve seen it. :)

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 21, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brady Quinn can catch. I’ve seen it.

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by golanbatrac on Apr 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

so

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by Brownie's Year on Apr 22, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

better than most of our receivers.

as a side note, i tried looking up “brady quinn catch” on youtube to post the video, and this was one of the first results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZFFi7dIAJM
i enjoyed it.

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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

1:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw_VP_Ehi4E

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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn jumped up and exclaimed “That actually worked!! I can’t believe that worked!!”

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Dude is epic.

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by danvail on Apr 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Cribbs is good. Just putting that out there.

by Western Reserve on Apr 22, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reverse at 1:24 = Awesome

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by Villeslgr on Apr 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t have bad hands, but what I have heard from scouts is that his hands aren’t particularly good. Hillis has very soft hands and showed it a lot in college. Gerhart has good size and strength but is only average as a pass blocker at this point. Hillis honestly can give us the same thing that gerhart does…but maybe better.

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by bross09 on Apr 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Hillis can already block (run block and pass block). this makes hillis a weapon on third downs. right now gerhart is a two down back.

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by bross09 on Apr 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again nice positives, even if you think you need the devil´s advocate angle to do it.
I lauded James Davis as the most fundamentally sound tail-back in a long time, albeit much too slow for the NFL. C.J. Spiller does have an extra gear in comparison to James Davis, and in the fundamentals category not a slouch either coming from the same coaching and enablement background. I´m sorry to say though that he is not a freak, he´s not even fast either. The fact that the draft isn´t very deep at runningback should not be allowed to serve to fluffer him up.
Besides, they aren´t even dedicated to a two back system, yet. There is no immediate appeal to getting a decent tailback, without that tip of the hat.
Now, you may say: Dude, we have Lawrence Vickers and Peyton Hillis to choose from at fullback, and that´s a great premise to get a decent tailback. The draft is tonight, the FO and coaches are lagging without this tip of the hat.

by mooncamping on Apr 22, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

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