Steelers Considering a Roethlisberger Trade
The following come from ESPN's Adam Schefter (also confirmed that Big Ben has been suspended for 6 games):
"Every team that everybody debated for Donovan McNabb is now back in play on Ben Roethlisberger. Same candidates, different QB."
"Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done."
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any news on whether the 6 games is conditional or not? what i mean is, will it definitely be six games or can it be reduced with good behavior.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
It can be reduced to four games with good behavior it seems.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 21, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he gets traded to that black hole of an NFL team known as the Raiders.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I hope he gets traded into whichever division Suh is in.
by OSUMoneyball on Apr 21, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bill Simmons proposed that trade today in his mock draft on ESPN.com.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he has some interesting trades going on in the first round
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It was a pretty half-hearted article, all told, considering Pro Football is really simply not his thing. But, I wouldn’t mind the deal where we go to the number 4 pick to get Berry at all.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think there’s a chance he doesn’t fall to us at 7. I should say, I agree with the trade if the FO thinks he won’t be available at 7. Obviously, if we don’t need to trade-up, getting him at 7 is a perfect scenario in my opinion.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Some pretty bizarre stuff in there. This was weird:
Digging deeper, let’s say the NFL pressed the reset button, made every QB a free agent, then held a QB lottery for the 32 teams. The top 12 order of preference would look something like this: Peyton Manning (picked first overall); Tom Brady (sixth round); Drew Brees (second round); Philip Rivers (fourth overall); Aaron Rodgers (24th overall); Ben Roethlisberger (11th overall); Mark Sanchez (fifth overall); Matt Ryan (third overall); Eli Manning (first overall); Tony Romo (undrafted); Joe Flacco (18th overall); Matt Schaub (third round).
Sanchez? That is even weirder when later in the article he says: “So based on the last 12 years of evidence, it’s just as likely that Bradford will murder the Rams as save them. Of course, you could have said the same thing about Matthew Stafford last spring … and he made it.” So, if Stafford has already “made it” (I like the guy a lot but one year is not having “made it”), what does he consider Sanchez?
Then there’s this:
Level 3 (hopefully weren’t missing): David Carr (1), Tim Couch (1), Alex Smith (1), JaMarcus Russell (1), Matthew Stafford (1), Ryan Leaf (2), Donovan McNabb (2), Akili Smith (3), Joey Harrington (3), Vince Young (3), Matt Ryan (3). . . . You would not have wagered your life on any of the Level 3 guys. Three made it; seven bombed; and Young gets an incomplete.
Besides Stafford (?), who are the other tow who “made it”? McNabb obviously, and Ryan I guess. But then how does Vince Young get an “incomplete” when Stafford (in one year) has already “made it.” Young had at least one really good year.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were in that QB Mock draft, there is only one QB I would take over Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is scary good.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The order of the 4 guys following Peyton is definitely arguable, but I like the order he put for them. Rodgers is definitely really good, but at this point I think I go with Brees or Rivers over him (think SD had both those guys) - but talk to me next year and if ARod keeps it up, I may reevaulate. Brady is a tougher call — still not clear that he has fully recovered from his injury.
The top 5 is definitely ahead of the rest with the top 1 being pretty much undisputed. If we are talking for just next year (ie, not taking age into account), I would add Favre and McNabb and slot them in right after Rodgers.
I’d also put Stafford where Flacco is, put Flacco after him, and move Schaub in front of Eli and Romo, and switch Eli & Romo. And Sanchez? Seriously? (He may turn out to be good, but at this point I’d rather have any of those guys after him, with the exception of possibly Flacco (and not taking into account Ben’s troubles.)
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So, here’s my mock:
1. P. Manning
2. Brady*
3. Brees*
4. Rivers*
5. Rodgers*
6. Favre+
7. McNabb+
8. B. RapistBerger
9. Ryan
10. Schaub
11. Romo
12. E. Manning
13. Stafford
14. Flacco
Others worth considering at later picks: Sanchez, Kolb, Vince Young, Delhomme (j/k)
*These guys are all arguably moveable in this position — ie they are all candidates for number 2 after Peyton Manning.
+Assuming a one-year time horizon — if not, scratch at least Favre from the list and put McNabb towards the bottom.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was assuming that this mock draft scenario was not just limited to one season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not take Peyton #1. He’s 34.
Rivers, then probably Rodgers. After that, perhaps Brees. Then, maybe, Manning. If I take Manning in that I also draft QBs in the middle rounds regularly. One of them will be able to learn enough from Manning to become his replacement.
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He’s 34.
Check out John Elway, Brett Favre and Kurt Warner for what QB’s do in their late 30’s.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thomas is on his way to your home to pancake you for even considering such a thing!
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Man, he’s just pancaking people all year long isn’t he?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
this is not that crazy, and as a Browns fan I struggle with how I’d feel about that.
One, he’s a dirtbag and would be a former rival/villain.
On the other hand, he’s a top 10 QB and we haven’t had one of those in 20+ years.
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And we’d have a hell of an advantage against Pittsburgh at first (as Ben knows their playbook). And he’d have something to prove against them. And I still don’t like it at all.
Also, very doubtful that they’d trade within the division, though a 7 pick (if he is on the block) would be hard to pass up.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
As talented as Ben is, I just would not be able to come to terms with him becoming a Cleveland Brown.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
agreed. life is bigger than football, and he is a legitmately awful human. don’t want him even if he could win us some games.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the other hand, he’s a top 10 QB and we haven’t had one of those in 20+ years.
I’ll take my chances in the draft. NO NO NO.
He needs to be sent to purgatory…some dogshit team out west. I was watching some espn special about him the other day and got to listen to his ‘ebonics,’ just made me despise him even more.
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 21, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Every female in the Cleveland area night clubs is hoping your right
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by Kimble_79 on Apr 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
As much emphasis as this organization has been placing on character and trading malcontents and character problems out of town, this seems extremely unlikely.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
While they do want a Top 10 pick for him, isn’t Ben’s contract extremely expensive and difficult to deal? Would that lower the demand fo rhim? Not to mention the 4-6 games he’ll have to sit.
While Ben has the talent, his situation and his contract could negate some of the price that Pittsburgh is asking for.
the deal is through 2015, so missing 4-6 games this year would barely leave a mark on his trade value independent of uh…. everything else.
3/3/2008: Signed an eight-year, $102 million contract. The deal contains $33.2 million guaranteed, including a $25.2 million signing bonus and a $3 million roster bonus in the second year. Also included is a clause forbidding Roethlisberger from participating in “hazardous activities,” e.g. riding a motorcycle with no helmet. 2010: $8.05 million, 2011-2014: $11.6 million, 2015: $12.1 million, 2016: Free Agent
I wonder if alleged rape is considered a “hazardous activity”.
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by rolub on Apr 21, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That’s the exact same thought I had when reading that clause.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s like an 18MM cap hit, so yeah that’s probably going to be difficult for Pitt to manage. Probably not impossible, though. The team receiving actually has a pretty decent deal. The only thing they’d have to pay him should they want to cut him ever is any remaining guaranteed money not included in already paid signing / roster bonuses. At most it’s 5MM.
They’d also be getting lower cap numbers since Pitt has to absorb all that normally-amortized signing bonus money into their cap at the time of trade.
So, fiscally, a good deal for the receiving club, rough deal for the Steelers. Let’s hope they can manage it.
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Get him out of the division. This is a win-win for Cleveland (if we don’t trade for him). Steelers get weaker and I don’t have to hear the announcers gushing over “Big” Ben two times a year.
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by BenRapelisberger on Apr 21, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben and Pittsburgh’s first round pick to St. Louis for Number 1 overall?
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
And scratch that — Schefter says Rams said they are not interested in Ben.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If Schefter’s to be believed (and his past track record is fairly reliable), the Browns are one of 7 teams the Steelers have contacted about trading Roethlisberger.
Again, if this is accurate, we can throw out the “they wouldn’t trade intra-division” theory.
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As the one who raised it above, let me contradict myself and agree with you. The no intra-division trades makes a lot of sense in theory, but in the last ten years, I can think of two pretty-big intra-division trades for franchise QBs: Bledsoe to the Bills and McNabb to the Redskins.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
But do you, or anyone else, really think he’ll fit in? Not just with coaches, but players too?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I’m not the players or coaches, and it’s silly for any of us to think we know how they feel about playing with him, with T.O., with Tim Tebow, or with Pacman Jones.
Let me be clear that I’m not saying we should, or predicting that we will, trade for him. I’m just saying it’s not a crackpot idea considering the Browns’ needs.
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its a crackpot idea considering their need to sell tickets. I have never said this before in my life, but i will stop watching the browns if we trade for him. I refuse to support an organization that turns a blind eye to rape.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t like throwing that word around. There may be something to the fact that there wasn’t enough evidence to even charge him. We can’t know what happened, so throwing out indelible labels is probably not something we should be doing.
That said, I certainly don’t want him on my team, because after being accused twice there is at minimum a disturbing trend that should be avoided.
I’m not scolding you or anything, because I’ll be the first one to use Ben’s jackassery as a trump card in a Steelers/Browns argument, but I think it needs to be said.
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because after being accused twice there is at minimum a disturbing trend
Being accused twice, having to go to behavioral therapy after the NFL reviewed the case, and comments from girls that went to college with the guy saying that he was very intrusive with them all support using that word. There is a point when multiple factors are pointing in that direction that its harder and harder to not call him that based on the fact he hasn’t been formally charged.
That said, I’m with ya all day, every day on calling him that ntn.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
i feel like if that word was used in the police report, i’m ok to use it to. according to the report, the first thing the girl said when she contacted the police was “I just got raped.” there was semen found. she told him to stop and he didn’t, thats rape.
sure it wasn’t proven “beyond reasonable doubt” but my standards for conviction on this are lower than the governments. ben is a rapist.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, without trying to defend the guy, who is unequivocally and at MINIMUM a sleaze, a super-creep, and an idiot, there are some things not to like about the girl’s story. She was asked point blank if she was raped by the officer on scene, and said “no”. The Smoking Gun police reports are an education in confusion and uncertainty.
What seems most likely is that she was totally “out of it” / barely conscious and he took advantage of her. I would qualify that as rape. Still, I’m not comfortable making the judgement beyond personal opinion.
Just the fact that this has to be discussed in any detail is more than enough to forever personally blacklist the guy. Keep him the fuck away from team, my city, and women without tazers.
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Right. I’ve had this debate at work with several people. I’ve heard people bring up a lot of “similar” situations — Duke Lacrosse, Kobe, even Tiger. I think what separates Ben R’s situation is the following:
(1) This is the second time that something has gone public about an incident like this where charges were pressed/pending/talked about. That doesn’t make this one more believable, but it does suggest a pattern of Ben putting himself in stupid situations, in the best light, and repeatedly sexually assaulting women in the worst light.
(2) He was told to stop this type of behavior by the Rooneys and the NFL (Goddell maybe) after the first incident. He’s a moron, again, for putting himself in the type of situation where it is even a question of whether or not this is/was sexual assault.
(3) There is a lot of eye-witness corraboration for some of the basic facts of what happened: him buying her and her friends shots, getting taken to the bathroom and him following.
The guy in the least is an utter and unbelievably egotistical moron. On the other end…well, we all know what he is. Get away from my team and my city. I would like to think if there were Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn, or going back to Bernie Kosar…I would say the same thing.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard people bring up a lot of "similar" situations — Duke Lacrosse, Kobe, even Tiger
Tiger is not even applicable — there is no accusation that anything was not consensual. And I think the Kobe thing was BS and Duke LaCrosse from what I know is the same, but there were accusations of nonconsensual sex there — Tiger, as much as a douche he is, has never been accused of rape or anything like it.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Tiger Woods has been dragged through the mud, and IMO rightly so, for something that is 100x less repulsive than what BB has been accused of.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
None of these “compounding” factors means rape, though. He is obviously guilty beyond doubt of being a very bad guy. But calling someone a rapist shouldn’t be thrown around lightly (echoing danvail, not scolding).
One big difference is what you believe in private versus what you are putting on print on the internet for all eternity. Calling someone a rapist is high slander if you don’t have any proof. Unfortunately, that’s just the reality.
believe me, i am not throwing this around lightly. before the police report came out i wouldn’t have even said i thought he did anything wrong. but thats one very specific story that has been repeated by multiple people and it doesn’t have any holes in it. I also highly doubt they fire a police officer over this if the girl is lying.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, it’s a power of the word type of thing. If “rapist” gets thrown around too casually, it lessens the impact when it’s used to describe the violent predator type – those that commit unspeakable, inhuman crimes. The kind that make your blood boil. That’s why I’m not comfortable with the term.
NTN, if you feel you’ve done your homework and are comfortable calling the man a rapist, then so be it I won’t press the issue. I don’t really disagree with that anyway.
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thank you, i am glad we were able to have this discussion without anything getting out of hand.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Pacman is currently out of football?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ding ding ding. winner, you get the grand prize. a ben roethlisberger jersey with a bodily fliud stain.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the Clinton-Lewinsky ’97 Collection?
Also
February 28, 1997, near the Oval Office (This is when the blue dress stains were created.)
Who keeps track of dates?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’re considering it, which is fine. We aren’t stupid enough to give the 7th pick for Ben and to take on such a douchebag.
…The Raiders on the other hand…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This situation has “Al Davis” written all over it.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The next person to suggest that we consider trading anything for Roethlisberger gets smacked.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
by bernie’s neighbor, that guy could use a little revenge.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
or pancaked by Joe Thomas. He’s doing a lot of that today.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thomas pancakes things everyday.
We just keep talking about it today.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how much a signed sexual offender card that you get in the mail would go for……
by The naome40 on Apr 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Since Ben has to see behavioral experts, I do not see any team trading for him until he gets clearance from those doctors.
He cannot participate in any team activities until he gets cleared, so it would be very hard for him to learn a new offense and connect with new players.
http://dawgscooper.blogspot.com/
Dawg Scooper: An Unofficial Cleveland Browns Source
From Schefter:
Here are teams that Steelers have called about Roethlisberger: Rams, 49ers, Raiders, Bills, Jaguars, Seahawks and Browns.
The Browns better have said “Thanks but no thanks”.
yeah i think the point we’re all missing is that they called us, not the other way around.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. At first when I read it I thought it said we called them.
I’ll risk drafting a QB instead of trading for Ben.
I’ll risk draftinga QBJimmy Clausen instead of trading for Ben.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I am calling BS on this. I like Schefter, but this list strikes me as a compilation of teams that need a QB, and no actual source.
Yeah but it makes sense that those are the teams that the Steelers would call to gauge interest.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course the Steelers have called teams with less-than-optimal QB situations. Who else would they call? This is really not news.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We may have called, just to see what the price actually was even though we never intended to make a real offer.
Doesn’t hurt to know what the price is because if another team pays that price, you can adjust your draft strategy accordingly.
LaCanfora from NFLN tweeted that there has been no contact from Pittsburgh to Cleveland or San Fran.
this brings up something i think about.: when with the NFLN, Schefter had always been neck-and-neck, in my opinion, with Jay Glazer when it came to being the first to accurately break stories. Since he’s been with ESPN (and well, things like Twitter don’t help), he doesn’t seem to be on the breaking edge anymore.
Do you think legit sources are hesitant to break pending news to ESPN guys because they are intent on being the first to report it, and may hurt the source within his organization? Even typing this out I seem foil-tinhat-ish, but Schefter seems to be more on the “confirming” end of news than the breaking end like he used to be.
You are reading my signature.
I think that Schefter still breaks more stories than anyone, but I don’t have any evidence to back that up.
As for the ESPN part, I would believe that 100%.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he's a creep but be carefull kicking him to the curb
I agree Ben is a creep but if the league can take back a dog killer who actually served prison time then someone accused of sexual assault who hasn’t been charged or convicted should be given a chance.
The NFL is giving him a chance.
Should the Browns trade for him – if the Steelers are too moral to keep him then yes the Browns should do a deal.
Doug B
Get your flame suit on. This is about to get intense.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I have recovered from my pancake (thanks joe)….I dont agree we should trade for him. I wanna see what Holmgen has in mind for QB and he has alot of wear and tear. We need more than QB to stop going 7-9 or 8-8 next year…what a schedule…eeeek!
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by Red-Right-88 on Apr 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a liar.
No one recovers from a Joe Thomas pancake.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I don’t give a shit what the NFL thinks is acceptable behavior. I don’t want that jackass anywhere near my team. The thought of wishing for his success is repulsive.
Boo to you, sir.
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I agree Ben is a creep but if the league can take back a dog killer who actually served prison time then someone accused of sexual assault who hasn’t been charged or convicted should be given a chance.
Comparison is not good. As you say, Vick served time for what he did — he was punished is now getting a second chance. Also, as much as I despise dog-fighting, repeated rape (as alleged) of women is a lot worse. A lot worse. Not even comparable.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's only guilty of being a creep
Again it is alleged he committed sexual assault. Accusations can’t ignore the fact that the legal system is based on innocent until proven guilty.
Vick was convicted of dog fighting which got him the same punishment from from the league so the comparison is valid.
Doug B
I hope no women – or anybody else takes this the wrong way – but I disagree that this is “a lot worse”. Both behaviors involve breaching the trust of a being that is in comparison, defenseless to the will of a stronger being. Both are equally deplorable in my book. Then again, maybe I love my Dawgs too much.
Please Lord, Just one Browns Superbowl in my lifetime.......
raping someone is about 1000 times worse than killing a dog. seriously, think about what you’re saying.
I do get what you are saying, but in my value system – I can’t comprehend the callousness needed to do either, hence the “equally deplorable” comment.
Please Lord, Just one Browns Superbowl in my lifetime.......
Let’s put it this way.
It takes a big league psycho to commit either crime.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you know people eat dogs in other places right? not everyone sees them as pets.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cho – cho is a delicacy.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
right. i’m not saying i’m anti-dog, but a violent crime against a person shouldn’t be compared to a crime against an animal.
Humans are animals. That was a paradox.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So that’s why the Steelers cut Davenport…
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by golanbatrac on Apr 22, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cats can do that. I am sure as hell not putting a cat on the same level as a human.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 22, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
but a cat would.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve hung out with some cats that would put themselves above humans
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I like dogs but I have to agree. rape is a very very serious thing and even if ben never did rape anyone, the fact that he was in such situations that are very close to setting up rape isn’t good. i mean pulling little ben out and getting 20 year old girls drunk is definitely not a good thing to do.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Do not say I like dogs and rape in the same sentence.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 22, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I dared to venture over to the steelers site a second ago. It is hilarious to watch them adamantly defend anything negative on Ben. Bal_Hawk, who I believe has posted on our site a few times as well, is really giving them grief about not owning up to what has happened with Ben repeatedly.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Would Steelers be desparate enough to get a 1st for Ben, then package a king’s ransom of picks to get number one from Rams for Bradford?
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by Spidey on Apr 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is my thinking.
If they get the 8th pick, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them trade two first rounders to St. Louis for Bradford.
In fact if I was St. Louis, I would jump all over that deal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They would have to give up more than that. A second rounder too?
There goes that WR and OL they were planning to get in the first 2 rounds (if my plan follows through).
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by Spidey on Apr 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if they need to give up anything more if the rumors that St. Louis wants out of number one overall are true.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well then why would we need to give up anything other than this years first and next years first?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
*for bradford
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Next year’s first is comparable to this year’s 2nd. So we would need to sweeten with at least another second and possibly a 3/4.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Apr 21, 2010 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how is next year’s first comparable to this years second?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You see it in every draft.
Teams trade their first round pick the following season for a second rounder this season.
It is how Seattle got two first rounders (Bronco’s pick from Alphonso Smith pick 37 in ’09). Carolina traded their first round pick this year for the 43rd pick last season (Everette Brown) to San Francisco.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
at the risk of getting into a value argument, a second round pick is never as valuable as a first rounder. I think thats a mistake on the part of any front office that values a lower pick one year over a higher pick the next year.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying I agree with the sentiment, just that is my reasoning why the Steelers hypothetical offer would be greater than ours.
I have made it known many times that I would do the R2→R1 trade in every case, even if McCoy/Tebow were still on the board.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, i can see that i guess.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 21, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Al Davis giving up his #8. He needs to do SOMETHING to get his team back in the West.
And if BB screws up, those Raider fans will rape his sorry ass.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
Can anyone see Ben on the Steelers roster at the end of the season? He has a “no” vote of confidence – once you have started talking trade there is no going back.
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In light of some of the other actions and comments from Rooney II I think it is highly unlikely ROFLberger is on the Steelers’ roster for this season. No one showed up for Ben’s apology statement from the organization and Rooney II said he completely approved of the commissioner’s actions.
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I have to say that I’m a bit surprised to hear the trade talk. I just seems odd that the Steelers would be ready to jettison the guy who won two Super Bowls for them with anything short of a conviction.
I can’t imagine how, but could this be just a bit of posturing? Some kind of head game with the draft just around the corner?
the guy who won two Super Bowls for them
i think the other 21+ guys on the field might have had something to say about those two rings.
You are reading my signature.
Everyone knows the Super Bowl was won by the lucky SOB Harrison. The man needs to drink more Gatorade. KW a;most caught him.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think they trade for Leftwich just for 4-6 games of “insurance”. They could have gone much cheaper by keeping Dixon, Batch and a low draft pick or any number of 3rd stringers in the NFL. On the other hand, it only cost them a low draft pick for Leftwich.
I think I just had an argument with myself.
Please Lord, Just one Browns Superbowl in my lifetime.......
More Ben Draft Day Trade Ammo....
The Steelers extended the 1 year contract of Byron Leftwich to two years today…..
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Two Class Acts.
"I don't know what no means"
by BenRapelisberger on Apr 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
John Wayne Gacy. Another upstanding citizen, a real pillar in his community, like “Big” Ben.
"I don't know what no means"
by BenRapelisberger on Apr 22, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
interesting read…there was guy posting on here under Red Right 88 as well. same person..idk
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http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/04/22/sports/mj2634374.txt
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
i wonder what the “behind closed doors” information on garcia is. anybody know what police report he was involved in either?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
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