Cleveland Browns 2010 NFL Draft Day 2 - Open Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
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It's Day 2 of the 2010 NFL Draft, and after going through the motions of round 1 last night, it's time for the Cleveland Browns to tackle rounds 2-3. This is where Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert need to make their biggest splash.
The draft begins tonight at 6:30 PM EST. Teams will have 7 minutes to make their selection in the second round, but only 5 minutes to make their picks in the third round. Here are the picks the Browns hold heading into tonight:
- Round 2: No. 38
- Round 3: No. 71
- Round 3: No. 82
- Round 3: No. 92
Feel free to discuss all of today's draft-related news in this thread!
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6:30? Hell yeah! I might have time to get home before it starts.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
He does have some set of ears on him..and that pic above makes him look tiny.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhhh!! we represent.. the lollipop kids, the lollipop kids, the lollipop kids! and in the name of the lollipop kiiiiiiiiids, we wish to welcome you to munchkin land!
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by findlaybrownslover on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think he’s small. Wait until you see little Colt McCoy.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would have preferred your classic McNugget joke.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think “classic” is the right word . . . .
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he related to Colt McNugget? Ha! Someone made a funny joke in another thread. You see, that person, the person who made the funny joke, what they did was they took Colt McCoy’s name, and then altered it slightly, in a manner which indicated he is of relatively smaller proportion than one might expect for an NFL quarterback prospect of his acclaim. It was really quite clever, that joke. I enjoyed it. What with it’s humor. And cleverness. The joke.
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by danvail on Apr 23, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
you know who I pictured that whole time…Stuey off family guy. You should write for them.
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How’s that novel you’ve been working on?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha that was Stewie-ish.
Anyone seen the multiverse episode when they go to a world where everything’s drawn by Disney?
Love it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully for you guys, this one is actually good.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 23, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
really? you thought this was an ok comment?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If it happens, and we get Colt…
…CALLED IT
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m referring to the smokescreen set up by Holmgren when Michael Smith said we’re targeting a RB or S
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice, this is a good idea with a few teams in front of us may pick a QB…Vikings for one
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And its not like we don’t have things to bargain with. I mean, 8 picks after the 2nd round, no big deal.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Vikings maybe. KC maybe. Philly no. Tampa probably not. St. Louis, I think they’re set though.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If it happens, and we get Colt....
we waste our pick and get a mid-level QB at best. What does he offer? No analysis has any true respect for him and Gr
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
All the “expert analysis” is just guessing. Its like saying “we know Tom Brady won’t be a good QB, he’ll go in the 6th round.”
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
I think his stats from 08 and 09 speaks for what he has to offer.
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McCoy’s college numbers are far better than Brees’ (61.1 completion percentage, 37 games started), and those arm-strength issues aren’t as important in a league that’s gone to more of a short passing game. His closest statistical comp is also Rivers, and while McCoy’s college numbers might overstate his professional viability some, there’s a very good chance that he’ll be a Pro Bowl quarterback. If he does fall to the second round as forecasted, whichever team grabs him is likely to end up with a steal, just like the Chargers did with Brees.
Per Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders.
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I feel like this is the way for Holmgren to get some free press for the organization. “Sure, we’re thinking of trading our whole draft for Bradford!”
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When Berman said Holmgren was talking to the Rams about moving up to the top pick, and he mentioned giving up a majority of our picks, I almost had a heart attack.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Haden was a great pick for us! Hopefully they drop him back at S or FS position!
IMO we should get Claussen if hes there in the 2nd round!
Why would you put a potential shutdown corner at safety? That makes absolutely no sense.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafting a guy 7th overall and moving him to a position that he has never played before always makes sense.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t know how I came away with you calling Haden tiny from that…my bad. Probably the 2000 comments I’ve been through in the last two days.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
His official height is slightly under 5’11’’. not tall but not short. a solid 35 inch vertical leap. he is also 193 pounds and has room to put on a couple pounds. he is definitely not skinny and has some bulk.
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Taylore Mays
Everyone was in love with him last year and wanted the browns to get him. Why not this year? He’s available, and we still need a safety.
He also looks more like a strong safety to me hard hitting mini linebacker who you don’t want on an island deep in your backfield. Unfortunately that clashes too much with the one safety we do have, Abe Elam, who’s cut from similar (if less exciting) cloth.
Why the need to trade up for McCoy? I can see the vikes taking Clausen but apart from that the guys ahead of us have bigger needs.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
by LondonBrown on Apr 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mays = unproven
He is a big, hard hitting safety but it is feared that is all he is. He may take plays off, doesn’t cover well, and isn’t truly that good of player. But heck, with the Browns, why not?
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t all the guys in the draft unproven?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true, its a toss up when it comes to these later rounds, hopefully Holgrem is far smarter then I
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s really smart. Not saying you aren’t but if we’re going to get a gem this year, he’ll find it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Think he is going to me more offense or defense oriented?
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I think it’ll be offense. Our defense is looking a little bit better every day. Our offense is like swiss cheese – full of holes.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Way too early to pick him. Maybe with one of our 3rd round picks…maybe.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If we trade to Rams to get 33 we have are clearly going to...
draft Jimmy Clausen?
draft Colt McCoy?
draft a WR?
draft someone else?
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
uuumm…I think you covered all the bases there
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Yup. I guarentee that we make one of those four moves.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Smokescreen. We’re trading everything to St. Louis for Bradford.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trade the trade back down.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the fuck? I honestly have no idea what I was trying to say..
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Trade the pick, maybe?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is without a doubt my favorite draft strategy.
It is the ultimate smokescreen.
We trade for picks we don’t even want.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But if he saw the field after a year or two of development, and rocked, you would regret saying that.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to get a quarterback worthy of seeing the field in a year or two, you’re most likely going to have to pick him today.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I don’t see why anyone is so opposed to QB’s not seeing the field for a year or two. Two words:
Aaron. Rodgers.
Coleman in the third
So, you don’t want to pick a QB now and have him wait a year, but wait a year to pick up one next draft. There’s some logic for yah.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 23, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you keep repeating the same tired argument over and over again?
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Mays is not good in coverage. His only advantage is his size at Safety. He would probably be good in run defense, but would not fare well against an NFL receiver. I would much rather see somebody else get our 2nd round pick.
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counting on Delhomme to be under center for game 1?
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Ratliff!
(sorry. couldn’t resist.)
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if he’s not you have to seriously question Holmgren even having the job. Why do you pay good money for Delhimme and then trade for Wallace if you still need a QB in round 2? Makes no sense. Basically people are rooting for Holmgren to admit he doesn’t like his own moves so far and is desperate to fix them.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I completley agree. I would love to see Delhomme to come in and led this team to victory but the Browns need a franchise qb eventually so if not this year then we can sit around and trade for one or draft one IN THE FUTURE
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they’re both upgrades over what we had already (Anderson and Quinn)?
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting rid of both lanced a festering sore there. The Delhomme acquisition is strange to me whilst the Wallace one makes so much sense. Stuck behind a perennial top QB and has proved he can pass adequately in the NFL (if not at Manning/ Brady level), is it too much to say that could have been like Houston getting Schaub from behind Vick?
Still, let us watch the QB maestro weave his magic.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
Is it too much to say that could have been like Houston getting Schaub from behind Vick?
Yes, that is too much to say.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Because both those QBs will be on the wrong side of 30 this season. Holmgren knew we needed to patch that hole immediately and he knows now that we’ll need to get a franchise guy at some point.
Delhomme is on a two year deal. Do you really think we brought him here to be the QB for the next ten years?
Holmgren doesn’t need to “fix” his own moves. He brought those guys in so that we didn’t have to both draft someone and start them right away. We still could draft someone and they could still win the starting job. We could draft someone and sit them for a year. We don’t have to even draft someone.
Those two signings gave us flexibility. Our options are now open, and we can take the best one we see.
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by rufio on Apr 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Delhomme is on a two year deal. Do you really think we brought him here to be the QB for the next ten years? Holmgren doesn’t need to "fix" his own moves. He brought those guys in so that we didn’t have to both draft someone and start them right away.
BAM! Thank you! Great reply!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we go O line or trade back on this pick. I hate the idea of trading up to 33 to get clausen ahead of minnesota. Then again I think we’ve already totally whiffed on the chance to get a quarterback in this draft.
"Smokescreen."
There are still two quarterbacks available that many thought were first round talent. Why would you say that we’ve already whiffed?
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The lack of talent at QB this year has caused QB’s that would normally be drafted in the 3-4 rounds (Tebow/McCoy) to become overrated. I’m praying we stay away from QB until next season’s draft.
McCoy would not normally be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round; that’s just false.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, you think he has second round talent? The fact that he is a QB means he will get drafted prior to when his talent dictates he should as it is, but this year’s draft is weak at QB, so he’ll go even higher.
Please, check out these stats. Tell me how often you’ll find a QB who puts up numbers like that in college.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
As said above, this is completely false. Making that declaration, even without getting into specific players, is akin to stating that the tolerance for the COLLECTIVE appraisal ability of NFL decision makers is 1-2 rounds, if the only variation is positional depth.
To think that NFL minds would be swayed that much year over year is staggering. There’s no way that’s true.
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As said above, this is completely false. Making that declaration, even without getting into specific players, is akin to stating that the tolerance for the COLLECTIVE appraisal ability of NFL decision makers is 1-2 rounds, if the only variation is positional depth.
This sentence is so dense that you have to stop halfway through and read a Wikipedia entry to make sense of it. Literally!
I’ve got draft fever and the only prescription is more smokescreen. Make it happen Mike.
(apologies on repeating a post from an earlier thread, but it just seems to fit the circumstances).
I really think MH just loves playing with the media as if he is a cat and they are a near-dead mouse. Soon he will say the team is looking to trade sideways and watch the tweets start multiplying.
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by Spidey on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Drop machine? The guy didn’t have a single decent pass thrown to him in three years at Illinois. He had nothing to drop. It was miraculous that he caught any passes.
Yup. Drops don’t count when they’re thrown at your feet or 5 feet over your head.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, scouting report:
This is where Benn needs to improve. His pass-catching technique is poor and he often catches the ball in his frame. Likes to have the ball placed in a certain spot and doesn’t make many catches away from his body. Cradle catches too often. Drops too many easy receptions.
Sounds like a cross between Braylon Edwards and Antonio Bryant, no thanks.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a pretty negative scouting report.
Another report reads:
Possesses strong and reliable hands. Catches the ball naturally away from frame. Times jumps well and does a nice job of climbing the ladder to high point the ball. Shows good body control and can make acrobatic catch away from frame. Struggles to track the deep ball on occasion.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think this was a very valuable first round pick. So Berry didn’t fall to us but hey, we still got the top CB in the draft.
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Because he can’t play both at the same time? Although if he could, I’d be very impressed.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no guarantee he can play CB. He’s versatile, sure. But you draft him to be a S, and then you can think about moving him around after he’s got that down.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I probably would have went Thomas myself. Hopefully I was wrong.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Perhaps the Browns thought that their success rate in lower rounds would be similar between free safeties and cornerbacks once Berry was gone, and ended up just taking BPA. I feel pretty confident they’ll pick up a good safety in round three, or trade back up into two to get one.
Traditionally, solid-to-good safeties can be found in later rounds and don’t have a tremendous impact on what you can do defensively vs. CBs, this is true.
If I am coaching the D, I just love having an all-pro safety.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’d be more inclined to believe Haden could play both positions than Thomas. Haden has already changed positions once (from qb to corner) and he’s more physical than most corners.
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I think the move to S would be much more of a stretch. Sure he would excel in coverage, but against the run, having him at S would be similar to putting a small WR at TE, IMO.
but he can also add on pounds to his frame. he is a bit under 5’11’’ and almost 195 pounds. this is pretty stout for a CB and he is a CB that plays the run well and likes to hit. he can easily put on 5-10 pounds and still have elite speed and play FS like polamalu. granted, I want to keep him at CB, but just playing devils advocate to the point that he can play there.
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Didn’t he play WR between QB and CB, not sure but I thought I read that somewhere.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we drafted Haden to be our QB?
We were focused on the wrong Florida QB the whole time!
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Formant
Anybody hate the draft spread out over 3 days?
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
I do. I dont like the 3 day format, but if it is 3 days i think they should do Rds 1-2 the first day, 3-4 the second day, and 5-7 on the third
It’s done this way so teams have a little more time to make moves in rd 1.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard on the radio that the ratings were up 20% from last season.
The NFL can do whatever they want. We will come.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see about Haden. I really hope Michael Smith wasn’t right about Mangini pushing for Kyle Wilson. Mangini is the secondary coach who drafted Darelle Revis after all. Lets just hope that this #7 pick turns into a “Champ Bailey” level selection.
"Smokescreen."
Smith retracted and said the pick was unanimous. Said the only dispute was that some in the room felt Wilson had better Change of Direction ability, but everything else was in Haden’s favor.
I would agree with that assessment—Haden isn’t quite as fluid as Wilson. But I didn’t think Revis was all that fluid, either.
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We are thin on the ends of the d-line…. 3-4 defensive end with this pick….Alex Carrington, Arkansas St.
Can wait and get DE Jason Worilds, Virginia Tech
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Worilds would play OLB for us. His injuries and lack of sacks scare me a little, but he’s a physical force.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ve heard Gocong might be slated to play inside. How likely do you think it is that he or Veikune move outside?
It seems to me that both can rush the passer, with Gocong having more success in that area vs. Veikune. Of the two, I’d probably put Gocong on the outside. Both are big, strong guys without elite straight-line speed, but I’d say Veikune is a little more agile while Gocong is the better pass rusher, which is why I would do that.
At this point, though, if either turns out to be a solid player for us it’s a bonus.
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Jason Worilds DE Virginia
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
How is this not obvious
We do not need to trade up and take McCoy. He is an average QB prospect at best. People forget that there IS a draft next year, and next year’s QB class is incredibly. Why waste another pick on second or third tier QB (like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn). The best guy on the board right now is Sergio Kindle, OLB from Texas. He is a prototypical 3-4 pass rusher which we desperately need. I would gladly give up a 3rd rounder to move up to the top of the 2nd round and take him.
next year’s QB class is incredibly
Somehow I feel like this was just destined to be a DBN meme.
Coleman in the third
I would be happily if that happened.
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by danvail on Apr 23, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. please utilize the reply button.
2. we typically stay away from the subject line around here.
3. nothing is obvious to any of us, because we aren’t NFL talent scouts, GMs, coaches, players, etc. just because it’s your opinion doesn’t mean it should be obvious to everyone else. if holmgren trades up to get colt mccoy, i trust him.
No they weren’t. There was never an indication that this year was going to be deep for QBs. There was talk last year that this draft would be deep on DL, OL, DBs.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
After last year’s draft when kiper/mcshay do their silly mock draft for the following year, McCoy was 6th; Clausen and Tebow were first round, and LeFavsomething from the MAC was getting late-first round, early 2nd love.
You are reading my signature.
Also, people thought Locker would be coming out and that Snead would continue to improve, not go on to throw 25million INTs. A lot can change in a year.
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yep…and locker is still a big question mark IMO. who in 2011 is proven? locker may be the most proven and that is in a way scary. imagine if people talked about bradford being a first rounder in 2008 after his rookie 2007 season? that is what it is like when people talk about luck, a RS Sophmore, after one Decent season.
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Everyone thought that this was going to be the deepest QB class ever.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do you get that from? Last time I checked, a talented QB with shoulder problems, a little bitch in clausen, guy who needs work on his throwing motion, and undersized QB from texas = not so great of a class.
We mean last year and before the start of the offseason. With Clausen, Bradford, Teblow, Mallet, Locker, Snead and McCoy…all thought to be first round talent
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, my bad. Either way though, the fact of the matter is this class is not so great. I would like to see us draft defense as much as possible and go QB next year. I think it’s about time we put a defense out there that can, dare I say it, not end up as the one of the worst 5 in the NFL.
I agree. My entire mentality was that we take a QB in the first, and surround that guy with offensive talent like a RT and WR, RB. If not, then focus our entire draft on the defense. So since we went CB in the first round(cry), I think we should be going for safety, pass rusher and DE with our next picks.
And it is funny how this QB class went from being the best every to one of the worst in recent memory.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We honestly have no idea what next year’s class will be like. So much is going to happen between now and then. That shouldn’t affect our thinking one bit.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, this just isn’t true. Next years draft class will include:
Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Jerrod Johnson, Case Keenum, Jerrod Johnson, Ricky Stanzi, Pat Devlin, Greg McElroy.
And thats not even including possible Juniors.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and what makes you think any of them will be as good as mccoy or clausen by this time next year? what if they aren’t?
Clausen is a tool and McCoy has been overrated due to lack of talent at QB in this draft. I would loe to wait it out until next year.
Ricky Stanzi?!? Pat Devlin?!? These guys are better than McCoy and Clausen — are you kidding me??
And, yes, many things will happen in the next year which can change the prospect rankings. That is most certainly true.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you only had to go 6 into the list to find fault. So shrug. Plus no early entries on the list yet. Here’s a question for you Buckeye. If Terrelle Pryor shows consistency with his throwing motion would you rather have him as a late first rounder next year than anyone currently available?
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I want him to stay in school for 4 years and have two seasons where he looks good passing the ball. I am also interested in how he looks if Posey leaves for the NFL before he does, because Posey is sicknasty.
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He sure is. Sicknasty. I like it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because I didn’t even know who the 3rd and 5th guys were, so I was only replying to the players I knew. But if you really think that all those players will be first or second round picks next year then you need to put down the crack pipe.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanzi?
you’re high.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Apr 23, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Half of those QBs are awful. I mean, Greg McElroy, really? Have you seen him play? He’s half the QB Brodie Croyle was and Croyle isn’t any good.
Any new rumors sprouting up in the last hour? I was out to lunch…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
Well, we did hear that Jaws is in the middle of buying a home in Denver
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by Kimble_79 on Apr 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he rooms with Shady, it’ll be just like Bosom Buddies.
If he rooms with moon, it’ll be just likePerfect Strangers.
Either way, we have an 80’s sitcom in the making.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect Strangers was legit. I’m only 23 and it was one of my favorite shows. Ever.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same age, same sentiment. rec
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Also I’ll add that Balkey(sp?) was awesome in the Beverly Hills Cop series.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy/Clausen interest at top of round is lukewarm
If Holmgren feels the same way, could draft BPA and use pair of 3’s to trade back into mid-2nd round to grab one.
You are reading my signature.
I don’t want them to draft a QB in the second. Chad Jones, Nate Allen, and Taylor Mays can possibly be starting safeties. The Browns need starters now, not 2 years from now. Use a 3rd on a QB.
I really like this idea. Michael Smith says we might be looking at safeties with our second pick. I like Nate Allen in there, our defense could be really a strength next year for us.
"Smokescreen."
Maybe we’ll take McCoy with out first 2nd rounder then trade back into the late 2nd to grab a safety.
A lot of us are in agreement thats the way to go. Hopefully come back high enough to snag Mays.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
then maybe pick up coleman in the third (a la your sig) and let them fight it out.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
1st pick
They shouldn’t have wasted time tring to get bradford and should have delt with KC and got Berry .But thats over now and haden should help hopefully .If they take colt #2 iam going to commit harrycarry .I think
There’s one more reason why I hope the Browns draft Colt McCoy.
by Nat on Apr 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you assume that they didn’t talk to Kansas City? Holmgren is on the record as saying that they’ve had discussions with everyone above them in the draft about the possibility of moving up.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming we’ll use our first third round pick on Kurt Coleman, but part of me hopes we also draft him in the second round, and then again in the third round, just to make sure he’s really ours.
by joeee on Apr 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
2nd-3rd round picks
Browns NEED Impact players with 2nd round pick!
Dont need a 3rd string QB, to hold a clip board who wont play for a couple years!!!
I agree with a prev comment use one of our 3rd picks on a QB…
Get IMPACT Players now while they are available!! Common Sense, use it.
G
Were you aware that Drew Brees was picked in the 2nd round? If McCoy/Clausen can be anything close to Brees, I don’t care if they sit for a year or two, I say take them now
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Sigh, neither McCoy or Clausen had anything close to the college career Brees had so stop making that comparison.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s simply false. Care to back that up with facts or are you just spouting out more nonsense?
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy had more TD’s, same number of Int’s, a MUCH higher completion % (70% for McCoy to 61% for Brees), and more yards in fewer attempts than Brees. And McCoy’s rushing statistics were much better, too.
Not to mention the fact that McCoy won more games as a starting QB than anyone in college football history, for whatever that is worth.
Care to explain how that isn’t anywhere close to the career of Brees? Or are you going to keep posting crap and making ignorant jokes about his height?
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
BB FTW!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm noted.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I could maybe agree with Clausen, but thats just off the top of my head…
McCoy is only the winningest QB in FBS history. No big deal right?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm, he wasn’t even nearly as accurate as McCoy.
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brees_drew00.html
McCoys are posted above. I’m pretty sure that resolves this argument about comparing them.
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That statement is so groundless that I’ve decided I will no longer acknowledge your commentary. Good day.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference with Brees. He had a much better arm and was a better overall QB coming out of College. Dont forget however it wasnt until his 4th season that he had a decent year and it wasn’t until he got to N.O. (with actual receiving threats) that he became an elite QB.
You don’t think McCoy could make an impact? Look at Sanchez. He sucked in college. Even Pete Carroll called him on it. Like Buckeye Brad has said, you won’t know unless you take a shot at a guy.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They have a starting QB, they don’t have a starting safety. I am of the belief that the QB should be one of the final pieces. Plus the QB depth in next years draft is supposed to be much better. Why draft a back up QB is you have a starting safety there? A back up for this year, at least.
Also, Delhomme had 1 bad, (horrible), year after a solid career. Everyone has written him off, but there is no reason he can’t give the Browns a couple solid years. There is just more pressing needs for the second round pick. People get too enamored with Quarterbacks.
I’m not writing him off. I was actually glad to see them bring in a vet like him. Why not get Colt and have Jake show him a thing or several. As long as those things don’t involve throwing interceptions.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to agree. Add Mays to our defense and all of a sudden it’s loaded with talent. Shore up the defense, accept another bad year from offense, get it done next year.
accept another bad year from offense, get it done next year.
I’m sick of this attitude. I’m tired of “settling” for a bad year. Damnit we deserve better, and we deserve it NOW. “Next year” NEVER happens. We’re always supposed to get better next year and it bites us in the ass. Get better NOW and win NOW.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t want to blow a high pick on guys you otherwise don’t like but are so desperate for their position. Some freak combination of Seneca and Delhomme will be acceptable – better than a.) not building in the high rounds in our many other positions of need and b.) getting stuck with a (potentially) unworkable, sucky quarterback. If you miss on that pick you are screwing yourself terribly.
You seriously think we are poised to make a Super Bowl run?
Let Holmgren build this thing the right way and we can have 5-10 “win now” years in the near future.
And no, I don’t care how long you’ve been a fan or how many losing seasons you’ve had to sit through. There’s a right way and a wrong way, let the Big Show do it the right way.
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I didn’t say we were primed for the Super Bowl. We’re far from it, but if we make a move that gets us 3-5 more wins than we’ve gotten in the last 5 years (sans 07) I’d welcome it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but I think improving the long-term status of the team is 100x more important right now.
I would not make that move to get 3-5 more wins right now if it meant mortgaging the future (i.e. trading our entire draft for Sam Bradford).
We have enough holes that a few of the guys we pick should be able to contribute right away (i.e. in nickel/dime packages as extra DBs or pass rushers) or start right away, AS WELL AS being primed for bigger roles later.
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I think McCoy can do both. He’ll come in and play really well and be our QB of the future
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I would want to sit him until at least after the bye. Holmgren knows what should happen better than I do, though.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think people are giving too much credit to Holmgren. I understand the “there isn’t much i can do about it so Ill go with it” mentality. But there have been too many FO screw-up for me to believe that every move a FO makes is for the best of the team every time. I’m willing to bet that if one of us who follow football as a second job were in these execs positions, we’d probably do just as well
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing he has that none of us could touch would be experience, which I think is important. I do think he knows quite a bit about football and will do better than any of us, though I think a few of us could surprise and not tank an NFL team.
That said, what I was referring to here is that Holmgren has and would potentially have access to the player that we don’t have. They’ve been able to interview McCoy, talk to him, talk to his coaches, they’ve been able to watch him in private workouts, they will be able to know exactly how ready he is if they draft him. We do not know any of that.
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So you’re all saying instead of setting up for the future now, you’d rather wait a year to set up for the future then?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The kid has his head in the right place too. He said last night that wherever he landed he was going to bust his ass to WIN GAMES. I’m sure he didn’t just mean this year.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we have differing opinions on this. I am of the opinion that Delhomme will be a solid QB for us while we find our franchise QB. However, I just don’t think you pass up a QB for a safety unless that safety is rated like Thomas or Berry was regardless of need.
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Heckert has already said he will draft best player over need so I guess we will find out who he thinks is the best player available.
I will be fine with either way. I’d personally just like to see them sure up the secondary.
Haden and Brown help a lot. A whole lot. Still work to be done, yes, but its getting there faster than other places.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Using a 3rd round pick on a QB in this draft would be a waste.
Once again, why are so many people against drafting a QB because he won’t start right away. Who care?!?!? If he becomes a Pro Bowl QB in three years and leads us to the playoffs who’s going to care that he sat on the bench in his rookie year? Why MUST we draft somone to help us this year; we’re probably not making the playoffs anyways so why does it matter?
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If we want to wait for next year because its “so deep at QB”, we might as well draft Tony Pike. No point whatsoever.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We can debate whether next year’s QB class is going to be deep or not. Right now it looks like it will but theres a possibility that it wont be. What we do know is this: The 2010 draft class is a very strong class overall, but one of the positions where there is not that much talent is QB. Why take a position where the talent is weak when there are other players available that would be mid to late first rounders in an average draft (with our 2nd pick).
If other positions are so strong, then gues what . . . there will be good players at that position available in the 3rd round. There won’t be any good QB’s available then.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If McCoy & Mays are both there when we pick will we need to segregate the board?
Because it looks like there won’t be an OLB/DE candidate we can’t match in the third at that pick.
Devils Advocate, where art though?
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
I’m not a Mays fan~ all numbers, less production. But he intrigues me as a 2nd rounder.
I’m just worried that the QB draught has pushed McCoy too high, though I love some of the stuff I’m hearing about him.
Thankfully I have a date with a flagon of beer so I’ll have to leave you good people to fret over the pick whilst I head off to do less important things.
Cheers!
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
flagon of beer
We need to hang on to this.
Exactly how big is a flagon? I would love to drink one of those.
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I would like to see Ricky sapp in the third along with maybe a mccluster and jacoby ford. I think the difference between Mccoy/Clausen and maybe a Kafka or Pike is too little to waste a second round pick when they can be drafted in the fourth maybe
THIS! Completely agree, but don’t know that McCluster will fall that far, he’s best available now, IMO.
sorry, but the difference between kafka and mccoy/claussen is as wide as romeo’s belly.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or Rob Ryan’s
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Browns backfield as of right now is Hillis and Davis. Neither Harrison nor Vickers signed their tenders a Jennings may have punched himself off the team.
I’d like to see Anthony Dixon in the 3rd if available. Maybe Hardesty.
Vickers and Harrison pretty much have to sign their tenders. Or they can just miss out on lots of money and give other teams a big reason to lowball them when they hit FA (aka career suicide).
As for Jennings, who cares.
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Random, but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that they’re selling a Robiskie jersey already? I have no problems with him but… why?
Walterfootball has the second round playing out like this:
Rams: Benn
Vikings: Cook
Bucs: Wooten
Chiefs: Clausen (makes sense, I guess?)
Eagles: Ghee
Us: McCoy : D
Somehow Coleman and/or Gibson would be nice as well.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I would enjoy having those three picks a lot. I don’t think I trust Walterfootball.
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I could live with that.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is my mock draft for the next two days
ROUND 2: S
ROUND 3: DE/LB
ROUND 3: DE/LB
ROUND 3: OL
TRADE BOTH ROUND 5’S TO GET A 4TH AND TAKE A RECEIVER THAT WE WILL TRADE OR CUT IN TWO YEARS
ROUND 6: PAC 10 OFFICIAL (WE KNOW THEY PLAY FAVORITES AND WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET)
ROUND 6: DONATE TO THE LIONS SO THE BROWNS CAN WRITE IT OFF AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS A CHARITABLE DONATION IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY FOR A QB NEXT YEAR
by eak3782 on Apr 23, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well I wasn’t going to listen, but since you capitalized everything I pretty much have to.
Touche, sir.
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WHY ARE WE YELLING!?
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?!
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by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT’S A REALLY LOW PRICE!
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by danvail on Apr 23, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW! THAT IS A REALLY LOW PRICE!!!
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I KNOW!!
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by danvail on Apr 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec rec rec. SO FUNNY!!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE LAMP!
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, well I’m out of here until draft time! My wonderful teacher is making us go to school tomorrow at 10 AM to take an AP Gov final. I need to do some serious cramming now. Later!
Have fun with that. good luck.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail. My AP tests were free and were done during school. We all then had “excuses” from our parents to leave.
We all went out to eat and laugh at the stupid people. Haha
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 23, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the final I’m taking tomorrow is for the class, not the official College Board AP exam. It’s kind of ridiculous to have to take essentially two AP finals, but oh well.
For a second, I thought you were telling her to fail her AP final. Weak.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching the draft at a bar up in the Appalachian Mtns, having a feeling I’ll be the only asking people to be quiet when the Browns pick…
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by GroundRuleTriple on Apr 23, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
I think a QB drops to us.
We need to keep the picks we have.
As always, if we get a crazy offer, like a first next year for our second this year, take the deal and walk away smiling.
I want a QB in the second round. If one gets to us, awesome. If one doesn’t, keep building the roster around the QB.
As much as I love McCoy, I wouldn’t shed a tear if we get Jimmy instead. As I see it right now there are 8 players available that I really like so we are in a great spot.
I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get one, but I don’t want to trade up really. I think one falls to us.
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I only fear Buffalo and Carolina taking a QB.
Minnesota already passed on the QB’s once.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If they really want Brett back, I doubt they can draft a Qb this high.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I remember Brett being an ass to Aaron Rodgers.
Favre may do alot of things really good, grooming a young QB idoesn’t seem to be his thang.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He might be better about a young QB this time, but how much more enticing would it be if they drafted a WR or OT for him right now?
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If I had to guess on MN, I think they go Mays or Price.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
How many comments do we have going right now?
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
OK folks, I’m out. Going to try to beat whatever traffic is left to get home before the picks start. Wish me luck!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
I just have this feeling that we end up with Toby Gerhardt and Thaddeus Gibson. Gibson because TRSS must lose the bet, and Gerhardt because we are collecting white running backs.
Gerhardt would be great
perfect combination with Harrison
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
;-)
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 23, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The thought of trading down is very enticing. There is a load of talent still left, so getting an extra pick would be great.
If we can pick up an extra 4th rounder to move back 10 or 15 spots I’m ok with it.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If he works out there Defensive Line is set for 6 years now.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
saw a lot of his games in college
Dude’s a beast
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
When he plays.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Reply fail.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We have so many options on the board. It would be crazy not to trade down. And I’m not just talking about the 2 QBs
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They showed him on the phone like a minute and a half before the pick was announced, so it was obvious at that point that he was the pick
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Same, I think he’s watching NFL network. They always announce early.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the online feed. It’s behind my cable.
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be shocked be shocked if we don’t trade down. I’d be even more shocked if we took Clausen over McCoy. If we are indeed going to take a QB.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy’s an arrogant jerkoff. Its hard to go " oh yeah, lets get that asshole on board."
remember when he announced he was going to Notre Dame…at the College Football Hall of Fame? fter getting out of a stretch Hummer limo?
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that your signature will be prophetic. We’ll pick him with our first pick in the 5th.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
one can only hope
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how Kiper and Gruden are getting SO UPSET that Clausen has yet to be picked. Taking it as a personal affront. So pointless.
ah, the joys of the Pacific Time Zone….
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Reported as 6:30 PM on most websites, dunno why it started @ 6.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
you just have to be careful that whoever you trade to doesn’t take the guy you want.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but that is the point, there are so many options for us right now that i would be happy with. Trade down and get an extra pick. it makes sense if they can work it out
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
complete opposite of the first round.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, let’s just trade down until we own the entire 7th round!!!
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love ESPN, Noteable defenders: BMac?
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
lol, just goes to show how much they actually know about the teams.
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
probably picked a name at random
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
they had cribbs as our top WR
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Smith is talking T.J. Ward, safety out of Oregon.
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
I think Kiper’s mom picked out his tie.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
I think GLAAD picked his tie
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ward
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
3rd rated safety. Big kid. Good speed. Lots of upside. Kind of a classic . Kind of a classic Heckert pick. They scout hard and pick their guy.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I said the same thing in less words.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because Mel Kiper didn’t talk about him doesn’t mean he can’t play.
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns selected Jim Brown ! Great pick!
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
WOO! YEAH!
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ward Cleaver
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I swear. If I hear that one more time, I am going to scream. You can’t just “trade down” — it is not an option if you don’t have a partner.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have traded down.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We should hav taded down (can we get a video on youtube?)
by Brownsfan4ever on Apr 23, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you think? we probably should of traded down huh?
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
there are 31 other teams. unless we got a firm no from every single one, then the option still should of been pursued. its better than reaching for somebody that wouldn’t go for another round
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You going to call 31 teams in 7 minutes?
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If everyone says no right away it’s a possibility. lol
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i would of been calling for the last hour hour. you dont wait until you are on the clock to talk to other teams………
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and you don’t know both QBs have fallen to you UNTIL YOU ARE ON THE CLOCK.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
stop being ridiculous. you plan ahead. call and set something up and if they are still there then finalize it. its not that tough.
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop being ridicuous yourself. If it were so damn easy to trade down, everybody would do it a hell of a lot more often than they do.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well if everyone waited until they were on the clock like you seem to think is the only way to do it, then there would be no such thing as trading down.
by superbacker56 on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that you can’t plan for every contingency in advance. If somebody wanted the Browns pick, they would have called the Browns. Generally, trading down is initiated by the team that wants your pick. You can have an idea of who might want your pick, you can feel teams out about whether they might want your pick, but you can’t know the exact situation of your pick until you are on the clock.
Don’t you think that Heckert and Holmgren have done their homework?
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a round. But may have been there 10-15 picks from now. Lots of teams need safeties.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Called it, and everyone doubted me — we weren’t going to take a QB in the first two rounds because our brass just was not convinced by any of them (other than Bradford).
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
from Pro Football Weekly
“thrives on physicality and shows big time striking abilty as a tackler-aggressive in run support. Shows urgency and closing burst in pursuit. Good football temperament. Comfortable in zone. Versitile-plays both safety spots. Good character and work ethic.”
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
I’m surprised they would pass over Mays. They must have really liked their scouting looks. But hey, we needed a safety. Now we have 3 solid corners and a big hitting safety.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
His former coach has passed on Mays. Twice.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah if adrian peterson taught us anything, its that injury issues mean bust!
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
“but he may drop during the draft due to a series of injuries. He suffered a season-ending knee injury in high school and during the 2006 season. He had to sit out a portion of the 2009 season due to an ankle injury.”
I like this part of the article "Some teams may pass on him due to his injury history. But Ward should be able to come in and immediately contribute nicely on special teams and challenge for a starting spot as a rookie. "
Also, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth earlier. Hope you didn’t take offense.
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy was a walk-on too.
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd6Hp5uiJgM
Pair this with Sheldon Browns’ hit on Reggie Bush and we have a scary hitting set of DBs.
They want to be able to run man and blitz. After these 2 picks they won’t have a problem with that anymore. And with the cold northern climate woe to the passing offenses that come into town.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
After these 2 picks they won’t have a problem with that anymore.
Woah woah woah, these guys haven’t even made it through training camp yet, let’s give it some time.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Browns are undefeated right now. Don’t rain on the optimism! haha
by Monsters of the Midway on Apr 23, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the right thing going for a safety, but Mays was the right option. Hopefully I’m proven wrong. I’m VERY excited to see what we can make happen with our 3rd round picks. Crossing my fingers for a solid QB.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Sweet.
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, at this rate we might just have our choice of McCoy or Clausen in the third.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How many people saw them falling this far?
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Buffalo passed on both QBs as well.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 23, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I called Colt falling to late 2nd/early 3rd last night.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
his skill set is similar to that of Earl Thomas (though somewhat worse but still starting S caliber):
shorter, fluid hips, can play S & nickel CB & trail position, makes up for smaller stature with physicality, ballhawk, good awareness in coverage
where he differs for Thomas is his injury history and lesser speed
by the way, I was looking up at walterfootball and he gave the San Francisco 49ers an F with anthony davis and a D with Iupati. I completely disagree. I am starting to tune out walterfootball because it is very single minded analysis that goes more by what HE likes and cannot comprehend the strategies of other teams. it was obvious to me that SF wanted to be a smashmouth team and they drafted well for that.
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I like that we went Ward over Mays, but I felt this was a reach. Hopefully he plays well for us. Dude can hit.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
All I know, is what I saw when he played USC, but Im stoked.
Dan LeFevour for Browns QB 2010
by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m liking the pick now. We still have 3 more tonight. This is awesome.
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Only because I remembered who he was. Solid player.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Check him out: HERE
And then: HERE
I like this pick. Love going defense twice too.
Coleman in the third
by Simmsinns on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like the pick.
1. We passed on Claussen.
2. We filled a position of desperate need.
3. Defense, defense, defense. Wins games.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Our DBs are looking pretty decent.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely the most improved in the league. Added Brown, Haden, and now Ward. We’ll be blitzing…. a LOT.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
1. I hope Clausen’s draft slide humbles him and we pick him in the 3rd.
2. Yes, now we hopefully have a legit NFL defensive backfield.
3. Just get players. Scoring more points than your opponent wins games.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Hey guys, just wanted to give you guys a quick primer on TJ Ward from Addicted to Quack.
-Like is already being said, dude hits hard. Real hard.
-He’s got a great football mind, especially when compared to a player like Taylor Mays, who’s pretty stupid.
-He doesn’t have great cover skills, but he’s got good instincts to the ball.
-I wouldn’t be too concerned with durability. He missed five games last year, but was a sturdy player in all other aspects of his career.
You guys got a good one.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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Thx guys
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got a great football mind, especially when compared to a player like Taylor Mays, who’s pretty stupid.
Excellent comment.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for stopping by!
What gives you the impression that he is a smart player, anything specific?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
He does a great job of keeping the game in front of him, limits his mental errors on the field, and he’s just a really articulate and intelligent guy.
They call him Rags. Where he goes, no-hitters follow.
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I dunno if mays is stupid. I think he does give effort and I heard he does try to watch tape. however, I have seen ward and he just has tremendous instincts like you said. instincts have to do with football mind (FBI, football intelligence) and instincts are something you can’t teach.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Don’t use the title line — it’s distracting.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it really isn’t. you guys all just have cold-weather induced ADD
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Flag.
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by rufio on Apr 23, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
recced your flag
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
a little bold lettering and i’m pretty sure that my comment caused a minor uproar… or was it the ward pick?
not really. the community around here just doesn’t really like me.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I don’t like it that you just said I had cold-weather induced ADD.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. just good natured ribbing, really didn’t think it’d be a big deal.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Well can you see how my not liking that comment could be confused with “the community around here not liking you”?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
yes.
but still im not really well liked around here. which is just as well. ive never been to a browns game, or cleveland, or ohio, or north of the mason-dixon line.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
we’re really not, its just that you went to troy and don’t understand things.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 23, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one knows about the draft. If they did, they’d be GMs
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
knock on Jones is he’s not physical enough
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by BringBackKosar on Apr 23, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They wanted a big hitter. That seems to be the pattern. They want physical DBs.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
mays is terrible in man coverage and has terrible instincts and pretty poor football intelligence. he has the physical skills but doesn’t play controlled. he is strong and a good tackler but not a consistent one. mays is the kind of guy who COULD be a great player if coached up a lot for 3-4 years but could very well bust.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Bigger surprise here is Kindle not getting drafted yet. QB’s fall a lot, but a solid D guy like Kindle falling like this. Must have something real wrong with him.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. Just wow.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Kindle’s combine doesn’t make up for his mediocre season production. Last year the draft was lacking in good DTs. This year its lacking in OLB/DE(besides graham/hughes)
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch him rush the passer? He needs to do better against the run, but if he had healthy knees he’d be long gone by now. Which is more than I can say for other players you’ve vouched for.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I washed him get washed play after play. I watched him accumulate 4 sacks last year. He’s got athleticism and a good motor, but he’s far from a sure thing
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Williams cam hit. So can Mays. Doesn’t mean much on the field
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 23, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN you have failed me again.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
The best team he could have been drafted by.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK RAY LEWIS!
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don’t say that, he could end up witnessing your murder
by Tom Bloom on Apr 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You’ll know what to say if I am ever murdered. Just mention his name.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How did the Pats get FIVE 2nd round picks??
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
They’ve traded down in the first every year since I was 4 years old. Belicheck was trading New England first rounders when he was still coach of the Browns!
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
we get it haha
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I just do it because quickly scrolling eyes might miss it.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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