NFL Draft 2010: Patience Pays Off? Cleveland Browns Draft Colt McCoy in 3rd Round
by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 PM EDT
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PrintTime and time again, the actual NFL Draft show why the hundreds of mock drafts end up being horribly inaccurate. QB Colt McCoy was picked by many as a lock to go to the Cleveland Browns at the beginning of the second round. Instead, the Browns passed on him. Twice. They didn't pass on him the third time around.
With his Texas coach announcing the pick, with the 85th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Browns selected McCoy. Browns fans live at the event jumped for joy, and most fans here on Dawgs By Nature could barely contain themselves. For all the shock of passing up McCoy for S T.J. Ward and RB Montario Hardesty, suddenly it all seemed worth it. McCoy seems like a steal in the third round -- he fits out West Coast Offense and he's incredibly accurate.
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You would have thought we coulda got McCoy at Hardesty’s spot and Hardesty at McCoy’s…
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.
Oh…I forgot.
Niiiice.
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 23, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing. How different would people look at this draft had we got…
-McCoy in round two, Ward with first third rounder, and Hardesty with the second third rounder. Not saying they all would’ve been there in reality, but based on initial projections, it seems like we just did things in a different order, perhaps based on the feel that Holmgren/Heckert had of the draft…
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
CP would you say that even though he’s still been drafted so late in the 3rd Rd that the expectations are still fairly high? Or are they lower due to his draft slot?
I still think he’ll be good to above average.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever the case, he will get a lower contract at least…..
by macdowellm03 on Apr 23, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I like about it — don’t have too invest as much in a rookie QB.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Since he’s on the roster, he certainly enters the QB competition mix for next season.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is that unlike the Broncos and Tim Tebow, Holmgrem wasn’t ready to “Marry” McCoy yet. If he doesn’t pan out it doesn’t hurt as much as if Tebo doesn’t pan out.
by OSUMoneyball on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmgrem wasn’t ready to "Marry" McCoy
What’s not to love?
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by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow I never knew Colt had such an attractive figure.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see more of Robiskie, rather than bringing in another WR to fight for roster space.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 23, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure the roster is really tight where the WRs are concerned: Massaquoi, Robiskey, Stuckey, Cribbs, Steptoe, and Allen.
If you watch their draft strategy. It’s about creating dominant positional strength. Our DBs are so so? Draft two DBs to solidify and open up our blitz packages. Our RBs need an extra push to solidify the power running game regardless of injury? Check. We need an extra offensive lineman to solidify our OLine presence for the next five years? Check. McCoy still there at 85? Ok, we’ll take him and even if he busts it’s no big deal.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We had enough RB’s, our LB corp needs help. DB yes but Safety is what we needed, sure we got an injury riddled one, but really the 7th on a CB when we have S Brown and E Wright?
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by Red-Right-88 on Apr 24, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn’t have enough RBs. Our LB depth already got shored up with trades. Not strong. But solid. We have 2 SS’s now. Either can rotate out to free safety and Brown can certainly rotate to Free Safety. And we now have a rotation of 3 solid CBs to roll Coverage/Blitz. And all of them are comfortable in zone.
So ya…. you’re wrong.
by gentryholdem on Apr 24, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to get a tight end. There are some good ones left on the board — Aaron Hernandez from Florida, Pitta from BYU, Dickerson from PIttsburgh.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
we got 12 linebackers on the roster, and our pass rush generated a decent number of sacks and pressures last year. We have got to find a way to pass the football.
"Smokescreen."
Yeah not horrible. At least were not the Jaguars who generated the least pressure last year ( less than 20 sacks) and passed on both of the top rated defensive ends last year to take Tyson Alualu.
"Smokescreen."
8th is not not horrible. It’s really good. And our sacks will only increase with help in the secondary (old adage: secondaries cause sacks, pressure causes INTs)
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This is how I feel. Most importantly, I just love that we are taking some big, physical players. Always the type of team I have wanted to root for. Whether or not these guys are any good is something I will defer until I watch them in NFL games, but at least the mold is what I like.
I think a lot of the success of the first three picks depends on health. They all have a shot to be good.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yes but Wimbley was traded. and we also lost Corey Willimas. Can’t forget Shaun Rogers may be getting a few game suspension and without those big bodies ina 3-4 the LBs can’t getr pressure
Williams didn’t do much, we won four consecutive games without Rogers last year, and Wimbley got us Colt McCoy and a third of Hardesty. Plus we added Gocong and Fujita. We’re good at linebacker. BPA.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 23, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Fujita isn’t a pass rushing LB and Heckert and Magini have both said they like Gocong as in ILB which makes no sesne to me as he was a monster DE at Cal-Poly
I clicked that link and now its stuck in my head…..
by macdowellm03 on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
REC especially for K&TG
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
“Mike Holmgren’s track record of coaching up quarterbacks gives McCoy a fighting chance, but his lack of ideal arm power isn’t a good fit for windy Browns stadium.”
Shut up, Rotoworld.
heh, I have the Rotoworld feed for the updates. Oftentimes the blue-colored analysis portion is kind of bizarre though.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 23, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Colt, but Holmgren won’t be coacing him up. Holmgren said on NFL Network that he’s done his part. He’s no longer a coach.
One picture is worth 128K words.
Said nothing about Gil Haskell though.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Smokescreen. The idea that Holmgren won’t be offering help (Coaching) to our players is ridiculous.
by gentryholdem on Apr 24, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing B+ in all the ‘draft grades’ …. not like they mean anything…just sayin.’
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.
Just wanted to say Congratulations on McCoy. You guys are getting a heck of a QB and a guy with proven smarts and character.
Colt McCoy – unbelievable. This kid will represent the franchise proudly. Has had to work for everything he has gotten. Started as 3 star recruit in a one stop light town in Texas and starred at the State Program. If he does not make it – it will be because he just didnt have enough talent. Kid will give 110%
thats what I like about him. Seems like a real class act. Im a little skeptical, but I really hope he proves me wrong in all my doubts.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Calm down tiger. 3rd round. Lowered Expectations. That was the only reason we took him.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Still would have preferred to have kept one of those fifth rounders, but I sense we got the 2 guys we wanted in Hardesty and McCoy. We just ended up losing two fifths in the process.
he can throw down field at least semi-accurately. better intangibles.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
That would be correct. He does have deep accuracy. Question is deep strength and size overall to withstand NFL pressure/hits.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got some wheels too….he’s not big of course, but he can scramble and he’ll get plenty of practice avoiding the hits.
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition.
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 24, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta be ratliff
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No one in the NFL does this unless you are talking about practice squad.
Even then I think the only QB eligible for practice squad would be McCoy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s crazy. No reason to have 4 QB’s on the roster.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 24, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
As of right now we have six (if you include Cribbs and Haden in the mix).
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by golanbatrac on Apr 24, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe a little, but nothing more than what we say with quinn last year
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by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
saw*
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His coach at UT said he has never had a drink or said a curse word.
Don’t know weather to praise, laugh, or cry.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
whether*
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by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s twice I’ve done that.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s always hope. I didn’t start till I was 23.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I was joking. No need to start.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
losers!
just kidding, i don’t care what you do (or don’t do) with your spare time.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr Pepper FTW
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
by troy145 on Apr 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec x1000
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That shit is gross.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 24, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
booooooo
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he doesn’t sound like a (alleged) rapist.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
McCoy
I am where I’m supposed to be, and that’s Cleveland.
Talk about saying the right thing.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve had a perm-smile since the pick.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 23, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wha-wha-wha
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 24, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m in the same boat.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hardesty said he hasn’t missed a game in the past three years because of injuries. He’s coming to Cleveland with big goals.
“I want to be a star, man,” he said.
CHAMPIONSHIP! haha
Emily what are the benefits of a Parliament system of government…if you dont know the answer get to studying girl.
by The Brown Note on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been studying on and off for days haha. Taking a break now but pretty much ready to give up haha.
Hey I’ll trust Holmgren on the McCoy over LeFevour argument. I gotta admit his character is about every bit as good as Tebow. Get this kid in the weight room and see if he can build up his general strength. Maybe improve his arm strength, make him a stronger runner and prevent injury. Lets find another wide receiver for him to work with, too.
"Smokescreen."
It’s funny, how amateur’s perceptions of the draft are altered simply by where certain players are picked. If we draft McCoy with our 1st pick in the 2nd round, people would have been fine with it, but instead we went and got a safety from a deep position in this draft class and a big bruising running back. Heckert was known in Philly to be able to not reach for certain players because he knew where they were likely to be picked and I think that was the case with Colt here. Happy to have him aboard, and let’s hope these other guys are good fits. We are building a big, physical team which is what I like.
I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 23, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets just hope hardesty was worth the trade up. Especially since we had several running backs. Picking Hardesty tells me that we don’t really want to use Peyton Hillis as a running back. I suppose they might give him some short yardage carries and use him as an H-Back / backfield receiver.
If we can manage to find a decent wideout in this draft I’m intrigued with what we can do on offense next year.
"Smokescreen."
i think they may want to line him up at FB and throw to him a lot, as well as give him carries from that spot. they can use him in medium situations where it isn’t obvious whether they will run or pass.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We gave up no value for Hardesty, in fact we gained 3 of those mythical value draft points when we moved up for him. That kid will fit right in with our 5 RB rotation (3 HB, 2 FB) and he will also excel on Special Teams. Wait, Special Teams? Got 3 more of those now.
by gentryholdem on Apr 23, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We gave up picks.
3 picks vs. 1 pick means we lost value.
I don’t care what the chart says. Three lotto tickets (and that is what 3rd rounders are) are better than one.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Two fifths seemed a bit much for that trade it seemed to me. I suppose the front office really really liked Hardesty. After his combine performance I suppose he definitely looks like he could be a really nice back in this league.
"Smokescreen."
I like the attacking style that Hardestry runs with. He seems to get to top speed in one step.
My only issue is trading up to get him. If Hoheni think he was worth going and getting, and the obviously did, then I am more comfortable with it.
I don’t see him as a change of pace back though. I think he may end up being our starter.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You can argue the chart. But the chart has always held true. We gained 3 pts out of that trade and we picked up another stud RB.
by gentryholdem on Apr 24, 2010 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You seem to have a very loose definition of the word “stud” when applied to running backs.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 24, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
1300 yards and 13 TDs in the SEC last year should count for something.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 24, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see him do in the NFL before we call him a stud.
And I was also referring to an earlier comment where he said that we were loaded with studs at running back (or something to that effect). That’s quite an exaggeration. Harrison ran well over the last few games but he needs to show that he can run like that over a full season and the rest of them haven’t done anything in the NFL yet.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a stud in college though, which was all I was saying.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 25, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking. Heckert doesn’t reach, and more than anything he’s got a good eye for DBs and RBs. They were never lacking in Philly in those two departments while he was there. I’ve gotta give the FO a huge shoutout for their patience in this draft. It may not have wowed the analysts, but assuming Ward and Hardesty stay healthy, how can you find fault with what they did?
It’s good to remember that the process of building the team lasts till the end of preseason. They can still do a lot between now and then. That includes making deals from positions of strength which they didn’t have before
The Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, the Meltdown...still hopefull.
It’s like a disease in Cleveland.
Newsflash.
Delhomme is our starter.
Wallace is our backup.
McCoy will compete for 3rd/4th stringer in year 1.
There will be no Colt McCoy on the field until his 2nd year if we need him.
Yeah I’m perfectly fine with him sitting the bench. Generally the guys who spend the time on the bench have better careers. Especially if he hits the weights and the film room hard. He could stand to become very familiar with the offense and bulk up to stave off injury.
"Smokescreen."
i don’t understand this. does he have some type of injury history i’m unaware of? does getting stronger stave off injury?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever stood next to an NFL starting LB? NFL Starting DE? DT? OL? They are huge. They are fast. They will rip your head off. It’s not just gaining strength. It’s understanding how to avoid that. How to anticipate it. How to look over it. Especially if you’re only 6’1" maybe tall. More like 5"9" crouch with McCoy. I hereby declare war on anyone who calls for McCoy to play this year.
by gentryholdem on Apr 24, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue at all with him playing later on in the year.
In fact, I hope he does.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not “later on in the year”
Next year. Maybe.
by gentryholdem on Apr 24, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. He should get some playing time at the end of this season to get him ready for next season.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 24, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If McCoy is playing later in the year, that means either Delhomme or Wallace is hurt and McCoy’s getting some mop up time.
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by woodsmeister on Apr 24, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Being shorter at a certain weight would actually give you less likelihood of being injured. I would probably rather have a 211lb quarterback be McCoy’s height than a lanky 6’6".
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Still, I think with a professional weight regimen he could bulk up to 225. Get ripped and get flexible.
"Smokescreen."
its extremely hard to do both. plus, McCoy is already pretty ripped, have you ever seen the kid?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
All NFL player need to be strong and flexible. In fact, flexibility is probably the #1 way to reduce injury. Alex Mack can do the splits.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That’s ridiculous.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
gaining muscle does very little to stave off injury, and if McCoy puts on much more muscle he won’t be able to throw.
you know most RBs are around 6’ tall right? they get hit a whole hell of a lot more than QBs and they don’t get injured every season…
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by notthatnoise on Apr 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
gaining muscle does very little to stave off injury
see also: Brady Quinn.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Those were pretty freak injuries and probably weren’t due to his bulk. The tendon on his finger?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
i think the comment was just meant to prove that getting stronger doesn’t necessarily prevent injury, not that it causes it.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying it caused it. Quinn’s injuries seem to have been freak things that were out of anyone’s control. Maybe he’s just got fragile DNA.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
So Quinn as a case in point doesn’t mean that getting bigger is an ineffective way of becoming less injury prone.
Worded less confusingly; just because Quinn is jacked and got hurt doesn’t mean that getting stronger is an ineffective means of injury prevention.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
i do not disagree with this.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to be big and buff to play QB. C’mon dude. Everyone knows that.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, you own it. If it doesn’t, you don’t own it. And if it doesn’t, you’re an asshole. Just like you.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 24, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No, the only injury was the freak dead arm thing during the NC game.
If he weighed more, he would probably be less likely to get injured, but I don’t think it is a huge deal. He’s strong and athletic, and he can usually take a hit.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That’s why we drafted him this deep. Let the fans get their fill of him in the preseason. Maybe a few series throughout the year in garbage time but just let him develop over a year or two ala Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers.
by LiveandDiefortheDawgPound on Apr 23, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Both of these QB’s played behind Pro Bowl level QB’s.
They didn’t play because the were learning anything. They didn’t play because they weren’t better.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Delhomme and even Seneca Wallace are admirable teachers, or at least have been around the game for a decade+ each. While I agree that this may not be the same as Phillip Rivers/Aaron Rodgers, our guys and Holgrem should give Colt a fighting chance at really learning the system in and out and working on his weaknesses.
I’m amped. I don’t feel like he has a lot of the pressure that other QBs we’ve drafted (or acquired) have had. We’re a run-first time at the moment with the makings of an incredibly solid O-line and a bunch of different looks we can give people.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 24, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I am excited because I think Colt has a shot.
Sounds crazy, but no QB that has been a Brown since ’99 has had the shot that Colt McCoy has.
Couch had no team around him. Frye was dropped into a situation in which he was not only expected to be the hometown savior, but he was surrounded by a poor coaching staff and a horrendous line.
Quinn and DA could never get out of there own way. Contract situations and a career year pretty much poisoned the water on these two.
As for McCoy he walks into a situation that is actually pretty damn good. We have the best front office we have had since God knows when.
He has the best running game and offensive line since Mack and Byner were getting totes.
He will be overseen by one of the greatest QB gurus to walk this planet.
Combine all of this and you have in my opinion the most stable situation that any Cleveland Brown QB has been in since Kosar was cut.
This is why I am excited for Colt McCoy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 24, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
They were also drafted early. Their teams had no need for a QB right at that time. The Browns are much the same way. Give him a year or two of preseaons, practice squad time, and reps here and there under our staff with guys like Delhomme mentoring. You seem to forget that Jake has been a very good quarterback until last year. Especially compared to amything we have had since we came back in the Expansion.
by LiveandDiefortheDawgPound on Apr 24, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh Thank God!!!
I thought we’d miss getting him. But he fell into our laps at the right time, salary wise.
Hopefuly, after a few years, we HAVE to pay him more!!
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 24, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
As a TEXAN who lives in Wichita Falls (Graham ain’t that far away), I’ve got to see Colt play in high school, watched him on TV for college, and I can tell you, He’s got the goods. His little brother is a pretty damn decent QB also, I just sorry Graham will now probably fall back into 2A high school football oblivion now.
2 defense picks and 3 offense so far not too damn bad, still wish a trade back in round 1 + a few more picks (wish in 1 hand- crap in the other). Don’t forget that there will be some golden nuggets out there that will not be drafted, so hopefully Big Mike is looking for them too.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
And this may just be me buying into the talking head hype..but Clausen at the Panthers is one helluva fit. Considering they didn’t pick until No. 48, you have to think they’re absolutely joyous over there.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Apr 24, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
Colt is lucky! When he finally gets to play, there will actually be a damn good O line in front of him.
Perfect example of what not to do with a young QB - Tim Couch. He was actually good, but without a really good O line, along with a joke of a coach, he ended up on the career garbage heap. I do not see that chance happening here-Now…
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Off topic,
Hey, Indians fans…. 10 – 0? Really?
Hope you guys didn’t think you’d beat “The Duke”, did you?
La ciencia sin la religión es coja, religión sin ciencia está oculta - Albert Einstein
Haha, A’s fan. Our offense has struggled so far. We will lose our share of games like this. I am hoping we can hover around .500 though.
Clean Sweep. We needed this series. The rest of the West was catching up.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fausto put an end to any chance of that sweep.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He did ok. Your bats came around at the end and saved his butt. Good game.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
what? he gave up one run in 7 and 1/3 innings without issuing a walk. fausto did more than ok, and i would hardly call that “saving his butt.” if anything, he saved the offense’s butt.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Um…. It was a 1-1 game. You guys pulled 2 runs in the 8th and he came in an threw 1 out. Your offense gave him that win.
Go A’s. Go Sharks, baby.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But to say “he did ok” is a vast understatement. As NTN said, he pitched 7.1 innings while giving up one run and no walks — that’s more that “ok”, that’s great. It doesn’t matter at all that the offense only scored one run in the first 7 innings — how does that take anything away from Fausto’s performance?
I don’t know how you can say the offense “gave him the win” — that happens if a guy gives up 5 runs in 6 innings but they team wins 9-6 (or something like that). He pitched well and deserved that win. If you can’t say that then you’re being a blatant homer.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 25, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah dude, Fausto did really good. He gets respect for that performance. But I’m not gunna say he did "GREAT". He came in to the 8th with a 2 run lead and pitched 1 out. Your offense came through and gave him the win. You guys played good that game and took care of business. I’m not denying that.
But that doesn’t hide that fact that we just hammered you guys 10-0 and 11-0.
It is what it is. Go A’s.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 25, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
a loss is a loss whether its 11-0 or 1-0, they all look the same at the end of the year.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 25, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The lead is meaningless to the pitcher’s performance as he has no control over the offense. The greatness has to do with how many runs he allowed.
by Roger Dorn on Apr 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless he’s pinch hitting…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 25, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how you guys can’t admit that your bats won that game. What’s so wrong about that? Indians pulled a beat down and you guys can’t see it for what it is?
Pitcher pitched a tie game. Yay. Your bats came alive. Deal with it.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 26, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that you’re evaluating Carmona based on what the offense did, when his performance had nothing to do with the offense. Who cares if the scored their runs in the 8th inning or the 2nd inning? How does that affect Carmona’s performance.
Using wins and losses is a terrible way to evaulate a pitcher. That’s where your problem is. So, if the Indians hadn’t scored and in the 8th and he didn’t get the win, then you’re saying it wouldn’t have been a great performance? That’s crazy.
This isn’t about Carmona, or the Indians. It’s about using proper metrics to evaluate a pitching performance. If you really think that wins and losses, and when the offense scores their runs, is a good way to evaluate starting pitching then you don’t know much about baseball.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 26, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell are you talking about? I said he pitched a good game and killed us. Because it was in the 8th, the bats gave him the W. If not for them, he would have got a ND or maybe a L. That’s all I’m saying.
When I say " gave him the win" I mean in a statistical sense. Hopefuly that clears things up.
Thanks Arizona. Now your illegals will come to my state. We don’t need any more.
by Brownie's Year on Apr 28, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
When the Idians spanked the A’s 6-1.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m not sure whats going on, but i can tell you they all suck at tackling and i haven’t seen a decent block either.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 25, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go Sharks ntn. You told me to call you when they got past the first round.
*ringy dingy
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 26, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, fair enough. I’m pulling for the Coyotes this year though, so we’ll be at odds next round if phoenix takes care of business in detroit.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 26, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
11-0??
Aight, seris over. I can change my sig now.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
by Brownie's Year on Apr 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
The warping kind of distorted the jersey.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Also. McCoy=Montana.
oth QBS taken in the third who were under a Holmgren teaching.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
We can only hope he turns out that good.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 24, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
What scares me is that I don’t think the regime is behind him. They really didn’t care for him, Holmgren says. They just took him because he was there…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Would you rather they come out and say he’s the future of the franchise? The next Montana, Young, Farvre, Brunell or Hasselback?
It’s always better to downplay the potential of a player, especially at the quarterback position. By implying that he’s nothing special, they’ve given him a little room to breathe, and hopefully develop.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Apr 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they are calling him the next Montana…
And I think they’re smokescreening it just a little too much.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Who called him the next Montana? Not anyone in the Browns FO, I hope.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
“I just left the Browns and Coach Holmgren kind of compared me to Steve Young and Joe Montana and just said that I have the intangibles that they had at this point in their career when they were coming out of college,” McCoy said.
Oh, and I found this:
Holmgren never thought McCoy would still be on the board when the Browns’ turn came up again in the third round.
“It was something I really wanted to do,” Holmgren said, adding he pitched McCoy to coach Eric Mangini and general manager Tom Heckert. “If it happened, it happened. Sometimes it just kind of falls to you.”
I just really hope the fans don’t start shouting “Colt! Colt! Colt! Colt!” after Delhomme’s first interception…. but I know they will.
They will. But I don’t want Colt going in until at least the end of the season, if that.
You know what someone on NFL network pointed out last night? That people think Tebow’s going to be great because he’s a “winner” even with the throwing motions concerns. But not many people seem to think the same about Colt. Take it for it’s worth but he’s a “winner” too, more accurate, and has a better throwing motion. I’d take him over Tebow any day.
Also, Colt said that throwing in cold weather isn’t a concern for him and Mangini & Holgren didn’t seem concerned about it either.
Ben=Tebow.
I don’t know shit about him and in reality he kind of sucks BUT HE’S A WINNER, I KNOW THAT!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry Colt will have a great career here in cleveland just hope fans don’t turn on him before he gets through his growing pains. I’m glad we got him but unfortunately the other half of my guarantee with the pats getting spikes came true. Bellichick nice job buddy seeing the talent only few others see. Go Browns!!! whats up with moving up to get hardesty in the 2nd when we could have gotten him for nothing in the third?? really??
that was a bonehead move by heckert
You have no clue if he would’ve been there.
Are you the drafting God who knows all future past and present?
Thought not.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No you don’t.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he also doesn’t know how to use the reply button.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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