Grading the draft
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 26, 2010 1:58 AM EDT
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Everyone says that you can't grade a draft until three seasons later. So why don't we hand out grades for the 2007 NFL draft? You may have remembered this draft. It was all about Brady.
I listed all players that I think matter. I only listed the misses in the first two rounds, as I believe these are the two rounds that teams must make an impression in. Missing a fifth rounder isn't that big of a deal, missing a second rounder is. Feel free to agree, or more likely, disagree. And away we go.
The teams that got an A:
Hits: Adrian Peterson and Sidney Rice
Misses: None
The Vikings not only got a Pro Bowl RB, but also a Pro Bowl WR that has exploded with the addition of Brett Favre. Both player seem like they are going to be a big part of the Vikings future.
Hits: Patrick Willis and Joe Staley
Misses: None
The 49ers paid a huge price, but they moved back into the first round and snagged young Joe Staley to go along with probably the best LB in the NFL. Not a bad day.
Hits: Darrelle Revis and David Harris
Misses: None
The Jets got their ticket to Revis island. Harris was just icing on the cake. If you are feeling uneasy about Joe Haden, just remember that Mangini brought Revis along.
Hits: Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Zak DeOssie, Kevin Boss, Michael Johnson and Ahmad Bradshaw
Misses: None
The best draft top to bottom. Every round they got value. The only player in this draft not to make an impact with the G-Men is Adam Koets and even he is still with the team as a back-up. This is the draft that we all dream about. Solid, solid, solid.
Hits: Brandon Merriweather and the trades for Wes Welker and Randy Moss
Misses: Only two players from draft still on team (8 no longer with team)
The Patriots gave up a 2nd and 7th round pick for Welker who has done a great job in his role. Add in a young Merriweather who has gone to the Pro Bowl and you have a very nice draft. Adding in the best deep threat that went on to smash NFL records was just icing on the cake right?
Teams that got A-
Hits: Jon Beason and Ryan Kalil
Misses: Dwayne Jarrett
Panthers walked away from this draft with a Pro Bowl LB and Pro Bowl Center. The miss on Dwayne Jarrett in the second round is the only reason this draft gets an A-. They also added Matt Moore as a free agent after the Cowboys cut him.
Teams that got a B
Hits: Joe Thomas and Eric Wright
Misses: Some dude named Brady Quinn
Browns got a All world LT and young up and coming CB. The miss of Brady Quinn keeps this draft from being a A or A-.
Hits: LaMarr Woodley, Lawerence Timmons and Darrell Stapelton
Misses: None
Woodley is far and away the best player on this list. He has become a great player on a great defense. Timmons has been more sizzle than steak. The rest have been starters. When you walk away from a draft with 3 starters, that is a hell of a draft.
Hits: Ben Grubbs, Jared Gaither, Marshall Yanda and LeRon McClain
Misses: None, we are talking about the Wizard here people.
Shocking I know. The Ravens rebuilt their offensive line in one draft. Oh yeah, they also added one of the most punishing backs in all the NFL. Seriously, can the Wizard quick sticking it to us? Anyone else notice that the AFC North got three B's?
Hits: Anthony Spencer, Doug Free, and first rounder in '08 from Cleveland (Felix Jones)
Misses: None
Jerrah Jones worked this one perfect. Not only did he acquire the bookend pass rusher for DeMarcus Ware in Spencer, but he traded all over the place and allowed the Browns to trade up and take Brady Quinn. Can you believe this is the same guy who traded two first rounders for Roy Williams?
Teams that got a B-
Hits: Marshawn Lynch, Paul Posluszny and Trent Edwards
Misses: None
This draft seemed so much better two years ago. Now, Lynch is on his way out, Puz still can't stay healthy and Edwards grip on the starters job is tenuous at best. Still Lynch was productive when he wasn't running people over and they get credit for having a pretty good run until now. I could be convinced that they should be lower.
Cincinnati Bengals
Hits: Leon Hall and Chinedum Ndukwe
Misses: Kenny Irons
Bengals got half of their starting secondary in this draft. Leon Hall is good, but most people are still waiting for him to take that step into the next level.
Hits: Calvin Johnson
Misses: Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francies, Gerald Alexander
Calvin Johnson has had a great season and two so-so seasons. Granted he hasn't had the greatest collection of QB's tossing him the pill, but even the great talent of CJ cannot overcome the three massive whiffs in the second round. Seriously, Drew Stanton over LaMarr Woodley, Ryan Kalil and Steve Smith?
Hits: Michael Griffin and Jacoby Ford
Misses: Chris Henry
Griffin was viewed to some as a reach. Instead he has grown into one of the best young DB's in the NFL. Ford has helped the Titans pass rush as a fifth rounder.
Hits: Robert Meachum, Jermon Bushrod and Pierre Thomas
Misses: None
Again, if this was last season the Saints would have probably gotten a F. But Bushrod stepped in for Jamal Brown and became the starting LT for a Super Bowl winner. Meachum stepped up and became the deep threat everyone thought he would be in '07. PT Cruiser just keeps on trucking.
Teams that got a C
Hits: Amobi Okoye and Fred Bennent
Misses: Jacoby Jones
Okoye still has his best football ahead of him. Jones is a KR at best. I am putting them here because I still believe in Okoye. I don't know about you, but I would love to have a 3 year veteran that is still 22 years old.
Hits: LaRon Landry and Steven Heyer
Misses: No picks in round 2-4
LaRon Landry has been decent at best in his time as Redskins safety. Personally, whenever I think of Landry I think of this. Heyer was an UFA that has started 28 games for the Skins. I give this draft a C because Landry is an average safety. Average safety = average ranking.
Hits: Levi Brown, Steve Breaston and Lyle Sendelin
Misses: Alan Branch
Browns hasn't been anything great. Breaston will have a shot to show that he is more than a third wheel in a passing offense and Sendelin will continue to be the starting center for the Cards. If Brown was a better player, this grade would have been much higher.
Teams that got a C-
Hits: Eric Weddle, Legedu Naanee and Brandon Siler
Misses: Chris Davis
When you whiff with your first pick like the Bolts did here, it is really hard not to be tough on a draft. Weddle has been solid while he has been a Bolt and Naanee and Siler have been decent roster fill-in.
Hits: Dwayne Bowe
Misses: Turk McBride
I almost docked this draft. If Bowe can stay on the field, and that is a big if, he is a great talent. That being said, the guy may have a ten cent head to go with all that talent.
Teams that got a D+
Hits: Greg Olsen
Misses: Dan Bazuin
When is Greg Olsen going to be great? My fantasy team has been waiting for three seasons now. This guy has been a career tease. If he was better, this grade would be better. That being said, the rest of this draft stunk.
Hits: Mike Walker and Justin Durant
Misses: Reggie Nelson
I pay very little attention to the Jags and even I know that Reggie Nelson sucks. The guy, from what I have seen, is allergic to tackling and doesn't have the best range. Not a good combo for a first round safety.
Hits: Arron Sears, Tanard Jackson
Misses: Gaines Adams and Sabby Piscatelli
The only reason I have them so low is because Adams was such a miss. I am not talking about the unfortunate passing, I am talking about just his on the field production. The Bucs passed on players like Adrian Peterson and Patrick Willis. That has gotta sting.
Teams that got a D
Indianapolis Colts
Hits: Melvin Bullitt and Anthony Gonzalez?
Misses: Tony Ugoh
You know a guy sucks when he can't block for Peyton Manning. You have to block for what, maybe 3 seconds? I give Gonzo the question mark because I really have no idea what kind of NFL WR he is. I am pretty sure he will be the 3rd or 4th WR on that team going into the season next year. Is that a good thing out of a first rounder?
Hits: Ryan Harris
Misses: Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder
What is worse, that Jarvis Moss sucks, or that the Broncos traded up to get him? Either way Ryan Harris saves the Broncos from having one of the worst drafts ever known to man. Yikes.
Hits: Justin Blalock and Jason Snelling
Misses: Jamal Anderson, Chris Houston
As bad as Jarvis Moss is, Jamal Anderson may be worse. How can a team with 11 picks, the most in the draft, come away with one good player? The second best player in this draft is a third string RB. Just another reason why the Falcons got so lucky with Matt Ryan.
Hits: Korey Hall and Mason Crosby
Misses: Justin Harrell and Brandon Jackson
When the best player in your draft is a H-Back and a kicker something went wrong. Harrell was damaged coming out of UT. Jackson is a back-up RB. Not the production you would like out of the first two rounds. Is Harrell even in football anymore?
Teams that got a F
Hits: Zip.
Misses: Josh Wilson and traded first round pick for Deion Branch (Pick was used on Brandon Merriweather)
In the same off-season that the Patriots gave up a fourth rounder for randy Moss, the Seahawks gave away their first rounder for Deion Branch. Add in the fact that Josh Wilson couldn't cover his shadow, and you have a recipe for the first draft that started dragging this franchise into the toilet.
Hits:
Misses: Adam Carriker and Brian Leonard
Did I mention franchises that were in the fast lane to crap town? The Rams drafted a tweener DT/DE for their 4-3 defense, then added a tweener RB/FB in the second round. This is a picture perfect blueprint for how to have no idea in drafting for your system. Carriker was traded in the '10 draft for a flip of 5th rounders. Great picks.
Hits: Samson Satele
Misses: Ted Ginn Jr. and John Beck
Everyone thought that the Fins would be on this list in three years for a very different reason. But as it turns out, the Fins skipped over Quinn and selected the WR with no hands. Personally I thought Ginn would have done much better, but drafting a 26 year old rookie QB didn't do him any favors either. Did I mention that they traded for Joey Harrington too?
Hits: Johnnie Lee Higgins, Zach Miller
Misses: JaMarcus Russell
Who else? If you look at the rest of the draft, it wasn't that horrible. But when you factor in that JaMarcus Russell has a decent shot at becoming the worst draft pick of all-time you really have to take notice. It isn't just his lack of skill it is more his lack of love for football. He weighs more than some of his lineman. He blames his team mates and coaches. We are just a yelling hissy fit at a reporter away from a black Ryan Leaf. Only problem is that I don't think he even cares enough to yell at a reporter. Oh, and can someone please explain to me why the hell he wears a beanie cap in Oakland when it is 70 degrees?
Team that got an incomplete;
Philadelphia Eagles
Hits: Brent Celek and Stewart Bradley
Misses:
Unknown: Kevin Kolb
This draft will be made on the arm of Kevin Kolb. If he is half the QB that the Iggles think he is, then this will be a great draft. If he isn't, I think this will be the draft that you can point at as the start of the Eagles downfall.
Anyone else notice the correlation between the teams that had garbage drafts three years ago and the same teams that were picking in the top ten again this season? Goes to show, that if we suck in three seasons, I bet we can look back at the '10 draft and understand why.
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If you are feeling uneasy about Joe Haden, just remember that Mangini brought Revis along.
For whatever it’s worth, Revis does not like Mangini.*
*As people here probably know, I am a moderately enthusiastic Mangini supporter
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 26, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
If Haden turns into the player Revis is, I don’t care if they like each other.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If Haden turns into a player as good as Revis, this draft was worth a B even if all the other players flop.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t wait to see the grade for our 2008 draft —has to be one of the worst drafts by any team in the last five years (can anyone think of another team that did not have a pick until 4 and then traded away 3 more picks from the next years draft for garbage?). At least there is Tuba Rubin who looks like he may have been a steal.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 26, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions
Love the idea, great piece.
I think the grade is about a B- due to the Brady Quinn miss dropping it from a A+. He cost the team 2 first round picks, and a second. It’s actually quite hard to come to a conclusion on whether to factor in the huge fail of Quinn more or the huge success of Thomas more.
Probably the fail of Quinn more.
If Quinn is good, we get wins. Yet Thomas is magnificent and we don’t get wins.
I’m not sure that’s entirely true. The year after drafting Thomas, we went 10 – 6. I strongly believe, no Thomas = no 10 wins. Sure, we saw pro-bowl seasons out of Anderson and Edwards, but Anderson never has those stats without Thomas saving his blindside. All in all, we had an awesome o-line that year. Anderson was only sacked 14 times throughout the entire 2007 season.
So, Quinn is bad, we still get wins. Yet, if Thomas is not magnificent we don’t get wins (that we would have otherwise got).
Also note, there were over 32 quarterbacks sacked more times that season, and a lot of which didn’t even start all 16 games as Anderson did.
He did not start all 15 games. He started 15. He went 10-5 as a starter. It was a reason why some of us thought he had a bright future (and those of us were wrong).
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 28, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If Thomas doesn’t pan out in 2007 we would’ve got far less wins. Agreed.
But if Quinn was a beast whenever he played, with Thomas, we might’ve got more wins. But Quinn didn’t play well even though Thomas was his usual self, and we managed two under-0.5 seasons. (I know he didn’t play much but it’s even harder factoring all that in)
Actually, I don’t even know whether I’m agreeing with you or not here. In any case, I weighed in the picks we gave up and I just think Quinn tips the scale.
the cost of quinn might drop the draft. however, the first rounder we gave up was in 2008 and i think that will factor in more to grading 2008 than 2007.
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in a way it should. the acquisition of BQ was not only using picks for 2007 but 2008. if you gamble picks in 2008 in 2007, then IMO, the effect of the bad move should be considered in both drafts b/c it has an effect on the success of both.
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If you do it that way, you’re diluting the cost of the Brady Quinn pick through amortization. The pick was made in 2007, grade it in 2007. Brady Quinn should be looked on as a top ten (+/-) pick because of what he cost us, but limit that discussion to the 2007 review.
Judge the 2008 picks on their own merit, or lack thereof.
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But that trade cost us a first rounder in ’08.
In theory without that pick, the draft will be less successful.
Pretty much I counted it in both drafts. I thought he brought this draft down a notch and he will bring the next draft to its knees.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 27, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you trying to judge the overall production of a given draft or production relative to what picks they had. You might think it’s the former but it’s actually the latter.
If it’s the former, you’d have to judge all players regardless of draft position. In fact, it would be best to be completely blind of draft position. You look at the pool of players that came in and judge it based on overall player talent and production. No bonus points for picking Marques Colston in the 7th or Tom Brady in the sixth. No penalty for spending a top pick on a solid but not great player like Leon Hall.
You mention positional value a lot, so you’re judging production and talent through the lens of value. That is, what did a team spend (in terms of picks and talent) in order to get what talent/production? Doing it this way I think it’s important to view the class in a vacuum. It’s at minimum a good deal simpler. After all, how do you grade the first round pick in 2008? You can’t grade the value there for the same reason you cannot divide by zero. There is no information. Empty set. You have to grade the 2008 picks based on what the 2008 picks cost, not retroactive to what might have been.
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I suppose you could look at it through the perspective of, for every one earthquake there are hundreds of snowstorms. And if only one person dies per snowstorm (and from homeless to the elderly people do die from snowstorms), then maybe you could get to similar death tolls with the additional problem of having to deal with the freaking snow hundreds of times.
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We used the ’08 first rounder, we just used it in trade.
We can still judge what we got back.
I understand what your point is, but Quinn directly affected both drafts, so the grade needs to reflect that. Maybe it is the easy way out, but I think it is the only fair way to handle it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s actually the hard way out. You’d have to, if you wanted to be accurate, account for every year over year trade made in the NFL. That’s an unnecessary pain in the ass. You can assign all the value (negative or positive) to the 2007 draft. In Quinn’s case, that would severely lower the 2007 grade. Then judge the 2008 on it’s own merit.
It’s better that way for at least one very specific reason. What if Mangini had taken over in 2008 instead of 2009? His grade would reflect decisions made outside of his control. Do you put an asterisk by that grade? That happens a lot, after all.
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I tend to agree. I think the 1st round pick in 2008 should count against the 2007 draft.
However, the Corey Williams 2nd lost and the Rogers trade should count some towards the evaluation of the 2008 draft. In that case, you would say acquiring Rogers for that year’s 3rd and Bodden was a benefit to that draft because the 3rd rounder of 2008 was used to acquire a very good player. The 2nd rounder forfeited was a massive fail.
Rogers was actually the only thing going for the 2008 draft and he wasn’t a drafted player.
At that point you’re going beyond the drafted players and starting to get into overall player acquisition grades. On one hand, without doing that you get an incomplete picture of how a GM did in acquiring talent and allocating resources, on the other hand by including players traded for picks but not other trades or signings, you still get an incomplete picture.
If you want to look at the draft on it’s own merit, I’d probably shy away from including players traded for picks. That said, I think you could make an argument for it nearly as easy as against it. So, yeah, whichever.
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Only one I would disagree with really is the Bills. I consider Trent Edwards a miss or a non-factor, he has played simply for lack of a better option. While Marshawn had a decent start to his career, he is falling off quickly and on his way out. Not what you want out of a top 15 pick. I would put them at a C.
For a 3rd round QB, he is average, but everyone here has unrealistic expectations for 3rd round QBs.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s Brady Quinn?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 26, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Love your idea of grading a draft after 3 years.
Dr Zim (who I miss) used to do the same thing I believe.
Clarifying a few things: The 2007 draft is often considered one of the best in Pittsburgh history. Besides Timmons and Woodley, the Steelers also acquired their punter, Daniel Sepulveda, their 2nd-string tight end, Matt Spaeth, and starting corner William Gay (though it’s clear that Gay couldn’t handle the job and will be relegated back to nickel-back).
Fyi, Stapelton was a walk-on UDFA, and will almost certainly not be on the team this year.
I’m sorry is this the Steelers chat room? Please argue your points about your players elsewhere. Maybe on this link?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 26, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no sense of humor obviously. That was anything but lame.
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It was lame, we’re classier than that.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea Stapleton had fallen off so much.
Let’s be honest, there is no way that the 2007 draft is considered one of the best in Steelers history. I was good but not that good.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting mistake on my part.
That should read IT was good but not that good.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 26, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My old highs school principle DID play for the Steelers though, albeit undrafted and only made it through 3 preseason games before getting cut.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 26, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean McHugh, the steelers fullback, graduated from my high school in 2000. I used to be a ball boy for the friday night games and he was always really cool to us, he even gave me pizza after a few of the games (the parents give all the kids pizza after every game, and he never wanted his). He is the one steeler i can not wish ill upon.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 26, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it’s never too early for Browns fans to start thinking about next year, I suggest we start now with the assumption that we’re picking 32’nd.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 26, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The most likely reason for this would be that southern Florida sank into the ocean, drowning an entire NFL franchise and leaving the league with only 31 teams…right?
I was thinking that San Fran would fall into the San Andreas fault during a giant fault shear.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 26, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That would totally ruin my day.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 27, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Living by that fault isn’t fun. But it beats all those other natural disasters that don’t occur here.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 28, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt that. You people have potent shrubbery, a tectonic plate that can shift on a moment’s notice and Heidi and Spencer. That alone is disaster enough.
They say the worst earthquake known to man is going to happen within 50 years somewhere alone the fault. They also say in a few thousand years, L.A. will be just west to S.F.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 28, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely agree. But it probably won’t happen in my life time. I’ll be dead in 50 years. I do think about it. Forget what you hear. It’s not happening any time soon.
I’ll take a 8 pointer that last one minute over a tornado, flood, heavy snow storm, or hurricane any day. Some of you guys in the East get it bad.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 28, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hurricane, maybe. Heavy flood, I suppose maybe. Tornado or heavy snowstorm? Nah. Tornadoes just can’t cause that much damage. Sure they can wipe out a town, but they can’t do much to an entire metropolitan area. And snowstorms, even blizzards, are largely just a nuisance.
So, if you balance it out with decades of lovely weather, then yeah I could take the tradeoff, but on disasters alone give me the East any day.
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yeah, i don’t know why “heavy snowstorm” was included there. even the worst snowstorm I can remember didn’t have any effect other that school and a few (not even most) stores closing.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose you could look at it through the perspective of, for every one earthquake there are hundreds of snowstorms. And if only one person dies per snowstorm (and from homeless to the elderly people do die from snowstorms), then maybe you could get to similar death tolls with the additional problem of having to deal with the freaking snow hundreds of times.
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I guess you guys are just used to the snow. I probably shouldn’t have listed it.
And I’m just used to all the earthquakes we have here. We had a FAT one Easter Sunday. It was cool. Which is why I’m more afraid of the other natural disasters that I have not yet experienced.
Floods are the worst in my book. Screw that crap. It must suck.
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by Brownie's Year on Apr 28, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been in a tornado and a hurricane.
Hurricanes are much, much worse.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would label Okoye a flop. DT’s already have a hard time living up to their top 10 positions, let alone a young one year wonder
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
I’d trade Rogers straight up for Okoye.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
and that would be stupid. What has Okoye done compared to Rogers? Rogers is one of the best at the position, Okoye is a placeholder
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 27, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
age and potential.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 27, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have an old dominant player, than a young player who should have been dominate but hasn’t lived up to his hype and will potentially lose his starting spot to Earl Mitchell
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 27, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He is still 22.
Colt McCoy will be 24 on opening day this season.
He hasn’t been great, but I would still bet on the come.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 27, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We will see I am interested in how the picks fair in training camp. When I heard that Carolina dropped Jake all I could see was him wearing a Browns jersey I think a screamed no in my head. Go figure but I heard he is working hard during the off season so at least he is a positive role model.
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2. Cavaliers Championship
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by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Even though Leonard was a miss for the Rams, he’s been great for us. All in all a solid post, though. Looking forward to the I-71 showdown(parts 1&2). As always, I expect a hard fought AFCN style game.
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2. Cavaliers Championship
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 27, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
leonard is not a bad player…He is just a miss when you consider that he was one of the top 55 picks in the draft and that guys like Eric Wright, Ryan Kalil, Mike Sims Walker, Tanard Jackson, and Leron McClain were drafted after him (and McClain is a better FB than leonard)
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That is true. How we acquired Leonard was even stranger. We traded a DT, Orien Harris, who has 14 career tackles in 4 seasons(and has also played for 7 different teams in that span) for Leonard. The Rams then release Harris a month later, and he returns to Cincinnati.
Leonard is more of a FB/HB hybrid type player(he is on our roster as a HB), who excels at blocking and catching, and has also been money on 3rd downs for us, while McClain is a bruising FB who is money in short yardage situations, as well as a great blocker. As far as a true FB, McClain is much better than Leonard.
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. FIRE DUSTY! NOW!
2. Cavaliers Championship
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yep…not that leonard is a bad player, just pointing out how the rams totally overdrafted him. he is more of a FB/RB and he is great in the passing game.
The story of Orien Harris is interesting. he has been on 3/4 of the teams in the AFCN (he hasn’t been on the bengals). He was traded for Brian Leonard, then about 2 months later was traded for Ronald Curry (who hasn’t played since)…now he is back with the bengals…all of this in the course of one season.
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I think you have a typo.
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by Villeslgr on Apr 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its quite possible…I am not a great speller.
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I meant about the teams you sad Harris hadn’t been on the Bengals and then said now he back with the Bengals.
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About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Browns Draft
Browns[ They] packaged three picks — 71, 134 and 146 — for the 59th overall pick and used it on running back Montario Hardesty from Tennessee.
I sure hope this guy is worth 3 picks? otherwise it was stupid as all getup
to waste 3 picks on 1 guy! were was the Common sense in doing this?
Overall C+-B; I have not seen many sports writers mention this move by Browns….
Hardesty was the steal of the draft.
I explained why here.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 27, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
well…on the trade value chart we gave up 307 points and the 59th pick is worth 310. so by this measurement we didn’t do so badly.
you are also talking about two 5th round picks that we traded away…its not like we gave up 2 second rounders. 5th round picks aren’t that valuable and often don’t turn out to be anything that great.
For example: from the 2006 draft (not that long ago) out of the 36 players from the 6th round, 16 (44%) are out of the NFL and only 9 (25%) are still on the team that drafted them.
that means, by percentages it is likely that only one of those 2 picks we traded away would even be on an NFL roster in 4 years and out of the 3 picks total we had in the 5th, it was only likely (by percentages) that one would be on the team in 4 years. the 36 players have accumulated about 400 career starts or 11 starts per player…and this was a particularly good year for the 5th round too.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
How many 5th round picks turn out to be solid players in the NFL?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
5th round picks
Do you know what pick Tom Brady was? check it out..Not 1,2,3
yep. 6th round…but how many 6th round players even turn out to be anything more than roster fillers? you can’t judge situations by their outliers. my favorite example is the fact of parachutes. once in a while they will malfunction and the person will die. once in a while someone will jump without a parachute and live (it does happen). by using the same logic of outliers that you use, it would make sense in this situation not to use a parachute.
you don’t judge by outliers but by the general statistics and statistics show that 5th and 6th round picks aren’t worth much and rarely turn out a decent player, let alone tom brady.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Right, so that’s one late round pick out of how many late round picks ever made? Just because LeBron hit a half court shot doesn’t mean you want him taking them all the time as opposed to layups.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
well…on the trade value chart we gave up 307 points and the 59th pick is worth 310. so by this measurement we didn’t do so badly.
you are also talking about two 5th round picks that we traded away…its not like we gave up 2 second rounders. 5th round picks aren’t that valuable and often don’t turn out to be anything that great.
For example: from the 2006 draft (not that long ago) out of the 36 players from the 6th round, 16 (44%) are out of the NFL and only 9 (25%) are still on the team that drafted them.
that means, by percentages it is likely that only one of those 2 picks we traded away would even be on an NFL roster in 4 years and out of the 3 picks total we had in the 5th, it was only likely (by percentages) that one would be on the team in 4 years. the 36 players have accumulated about 400 career starts or 11 starts per player…and this was a particularly good year for the 5th round too.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
reply fail?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta quibble on a few grades. If you happen to care, read on…
Patriots getting an A with 8 players no longer on the team? Seriously? B+ at best. Especially after Moss’ “quitter” fiascoes this last year. And why does the trade for Welker count? I mean, seriously, it’s a trade, not a draft pick. They knew they were getting a good player.
Panthers. So if Welker brings up the Patriots grade, why isn’t Matt Moore listed as a hit here? And if not, then only two hits makes me think A- is a bit high. B+ again.
Browns: Trading a future 1st round pick for a complete bust like Quinn makes me think B is a bit generous. OK, yeah, I know it’s your team and all, but still. Then again, Joe Thomas does help. But I gotta go B- instead.
Bengals. Calling Kenny Irons a miss is being a touch harsh. Predicting that he would get injured in his first (and only) preseason game is not something anybody can reasonably ask of the draft team. He should be a “dishonorable mention” instead. And calling Chinny a hit is pushing it as well. Just because he’s starting doesn’t mean he’s any good. Quinn joked with him about getting to beat him twice a year now. A big reason that didn’t happen was because Quinn was so bad (and the Quinn trade crippled you in 2008). Gotta go C.
Saints: Meachem is with an e, not u. Not mentioning Usama Young is a mistake. OK, technically he’s a 3rd rounder, but he was the second pick of their draft because of the Lions trade. He should at least be mentioned, even if as an incomplete. As a CB, he’s a miss. As a safety, he might actually be a hit. Not sure yet. But again if trades count, then the utter sewer tripe trade for Jason David has to bring this grade down. I don’t care they only gave up a 4th for him, he was that horrid he deserves to be mentioned. He literally gave up more yards than the average WR would get going up against empty space. C+ at best, no matter how great PT or Meachem is.
Most of the rest I either agree with or don’t disagree enough to type it up.
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