Hear me out: The Browns should sign JaMarcus Russell
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 3:21 AM EDT
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Yeah, I said it. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
Al Davis paid for all of this .
Trust me, I thought the same thing you are thinking right now.
No way freaking way do I want JaMarcus Russell as a Brown, unless it is as a LT. But I couldn't shake it the thought of it. Should the Browns take a chance on signing the greatest draft bust of all time?
Yep, and here is how I got here.
First of all, why did JaMarcus fail in Oakland?
I am not going to make excuses for his lack of conditioning and overall apathy towards his job as a NFL quarterback. That is troublesome. Could he fix this? Sure, and he wouldn't be the first QB to need a fresh start in order to start taking his job seriously. Hell, Brett Favre couldn't stop partying and drinking in Atlanta. He needed someone to turn his career around. See where I am headed?
I am not expecting JaMarcus to show up at training camp at 225lbs, but I think that we may see a young kid who got a cold dose of reality. Oakland is going to cut him and he is going to have to go begging for a job in the NFL. He will be on his last chance. I have a hunch that could be what wakes JaMarcus up.
If he looks at this situation and doesn't get his fat ass in shape, then he will be out of the NFL in under two seasons.
As for the rest of his situation, I see it like this; It wasn't all his fault.
Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison and Edge.
Carson Palmer had Chad Ochocinco and TJ Houshyourmama.
Eli Manning had Plaxico Burress and Tiki Barber.
JaMarcus Russell had Darren McFadden and DHB.
What number one pick got a complete shaft job?
What about his offensive line?
His LT's have been Barry Sims, Kwame Harris and Mario Henderson.
His LG's has been Robert Gallery
His C's have been Jereme Newberry, Jake Grove, Samson Satele
His RG has been Cooper Carlise
His RT's have Paul McQuistan, Cornell Green
In three seasons he has had 10 different starting offensive lineman. Not only have the been 10 different guys, but for the most part, they suck. So no weapons, no offensive line and the QB sucks. Chicken or the egg? Of course JaMarcus failed. He was in freaking Oakland. Who has done anything there since Rich Gannon? What Raider, other than Nnamdi, has done anything in Oakland? Are we really going to blame Russell for playing with garbage around him? Did his back-ups do that much better than him?
What about the coaching that Russell has played under?
Russell has never had any coaching. His offensive coordinators have been Greg Knapp and Ted Tollner. Not exactly the greatest passing minds there. Two offensive coordinators in three seasons? How is that even remotely fair to him? So a consistently fluctuating coaching staff and a horrendous supporting staff.
Of course, maybe he just sucks. Good thing he will be cheap.
Why should the Browns sign him?
- Mike Freakin' Holmgren. I know he said that he is no longer a coach. But wouldn't this be his greatest test? Wouldn't this be the capper on a HOF career? He could take Russell under his wing for two years, teach him how to play the position the correct way. Actually try and give this kid a shot.
- You are probably saying, "Hey moron, we already drafted a QB". I have already gone over why expecting anything out of a QB drafted after the first round is a really bad idea. Colt McCoy may be the best QB ever to pick up a football {closes eyes and prays}, but the odds are that he is going to be nothing special. Russell would give the Browns a plan B. Best case scenario, Russell lights up preseason and actually makes a trade market for himself. We are talking about a league where Tyler Thigpen was traded for a draft pick.
- Signing Russell would give the Browns four QB's on the roster. Even with the emergency roster spot of the third QB, carrying four QB's is a crazy thought. Good thing the Browns have a QB on the roster that can play WR. Let Wallace play some WR while he is the back-up. Sure it is a gamble, but its not like we are really going to be winning very many games this season.
- No one has ever doubted Russell's tools. He has an arm that could be the best ever to be on a NFL field. He has the frame (minus the tonnage) that GM's dream of. He struggled at times at LSU, but his junior season was on par with Jimmy Clausen's junior season. Shouldn't that count for something? He has the talent, he is just waiting for someone to help him find it.
- JaMarcus Russell is one month older than Colt McCoy. That's it. 25 days. Russell is still a baby. We have no idea what kind of QB Russell can be. He still has 12 years left in this league. Are you willing to put the nail in his coffin before his 25th birthday? Look at how many QB's struggle early in their careers just to have the light bulb go on later on in their careers? Wouldn't Holmgren be the best person to try?
- Who cares if he shows up lazy and fat? If he comes in and keeps up with the slack ass ways, cut him. Send him packing. Adios. No skin off our back. We go into the season with Delhomme, Wallace and McCoy. You could even structure his contract in a manner that he doesn't get paid unless he makes the team. No pressure on the Browns, make JaMarcus earn it. It would give us a good idea on whether or not he plans on busting it.
I'm not saying that it would be a good signing. It could be a Maurice Clarett like blow-up. But the talent of Russell and the genius of Holmgren is, in my opinion, to powerful of a possible combination to pass up.
What do you think Brown fans? You in on Russell?
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No way freaking way do I want JaMarcus Russell as a Brown, unless it is as a LT. Last time I check Joe Thomas plays LT. Maybe you meant RT.
by BrownsFanRegina on Apr 30, 2010 4:01 AM EDT reply actions
No way freaking way do I want JaMarcus Russell as a Brown, unless it is as a
LT.
Last time I check Joe Thomas plays LT. Maybe you meant RT.
by BrownsFanRegina on Apr 30, 2010 4:03 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t completely buy this. what we’ve seen of them, you’re right, DA is better; but i think given B19K’s points, Russell has a much higher potential ceiling than DA. we know that DA is nothing better than what he was in 2007, which still had major flaws. give the young stud russell a couple years under holmgren’s wing and he could be much better than DA could ever hope to be.
all that said, i voted we stick with grooming mccoy.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 6:04 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I think he could be worth the roster spot as a flier. Let Holmgren interview him. If he thinks Russel can turn it around, why deny him the chance? This is a team that’s paying Delhomme north of $7M. I’m comfortable taking a zero draft pick gamble.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This. Hahaha.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 30, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This is “Hear Me Out”.
So, sorry.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Touche!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t you write something better.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell
Why is it ok to blame the lack talent around him, the lack of good coaching, and revolving coordinators for Russell being a lard butt, lazy, and lousy qb, but those same excuses didn’t fly for DA. Just asking…As far as Russell becoming a Brown, NO WAY! Russell has always had the “you owe me” attitude and he played that way. I do not believe Russell has the heart or head to come into a demanding, structured system. Unfortunately Al Davis ruined him by coddling him the way he did.
DA had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, who were much better than anyone Russell had to throw to in Oakland.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 30, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
DA had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, who were much better than anyone Russell had to throw to in Oakland.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So which Oakland WR is better than Braylon?
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell, Heward – Bey.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
BE? I know.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No way. I know we like to make fun of Braylon but you’re just being ridiculous.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 30, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Russell
Sure, in 07 he had Edwards, Winslow II, and JJ. In 08 BE couldn’t catch a cold if was injected into him, Winslow , the warrior that he is, spent half the season injured and whining, and JJ had the knee issue. Then in 09 he had ??? The point I was trying to make is lets not absolve Russell of blame for his failures. If the excuses that was made for Russell didn’t apply to our previous qb’s failures then they should’nt apply to Russell either. I just don’t see Russell being committed to football and I have doubts that that will change. Whether he was in a good situation in Oakland or not, Russell never came to camp ready to play football, unlike our previous qbs, it didn’t matter what situation they were facing, our guys came in motivated and ready to go, Russell never did that.
DA worked with above average-to-great O lines and usually had a weapon or two. He also didn’t have anything close to the terrible coaching JaMarcus got.
that said, I think the big point you’re missing is that no one is saying Russell would be good. We’re acknowledging he has a serious attitude problem, but may be worth the extremely low risk it would be to sign him and give him a chance. Sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes.
I still wouldn’t want him though, I just don’t think its worth taking reps away from 3 guys who will all be learning a new system.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Winslow…what a soldier…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a fuckin soldier!
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Winslow , the warrior that he is, spent half the season injured and whining
Winslow had good reason to be upset with the regime. JJ is suing the Browns for similar reasons. The Savage regime handled those issues terribly.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Winslow WAS healthy for more than half the season…no need to exaggerate. our O-Line could run laps around theirs (ability-wise…who knows how fast 40s those guys may run)
2008: Browns Line>>>Raiders line (at every spot on the line)
BE (hate to say it)>>Javon Walker/Chaz Schillens
Jamal Lewis<Fargas/DMC (but it was darn close)
Stallworth/Steptoe=Ronald Curry/Ashley Lelie
Zach Miller>Heiden/Winslow (close though)
With how mediocre DA’s weapons were in 2008, they were still better than Russell’s..and Russell had a better season too
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are you saying 2008 Heiden/Winslow>Zach Miller? He is a darn good tight end…I hate to admit it. maybe the only weapon on offense I would actually take from the raiders.
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never said he isn’t a decent player, i like winslow/heiden better. they were both really good TEs for us, and i wouldn’t begin to blame them for DA’s ineptitude.
I agree. I like WInslow/Heiden combo and they were one of the strengths on offense, but Winslow was hurt for half the season almost. I would rather have a full year of Miller than half With winslow and half with just heiden.
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Winslow alone is better than Miller
by The naome40 on Apr 30, 2010 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%.
Miller is nice but he is not K2.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Winslow alone is better than Miller
when healthy and as long as we don’t care if our TE ever blocks a guy.
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Winslow, for all his health issues, still played when he was healthy enough to play. He also blocked when he was motivated. He also was better than Miller even if he was just effectively a huge WR lined up close to the line and you knew he wasn’t going to block anyone.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
As a huge WR, Winslow is definitely better. I like winslow and he is a special talent. still, if I had to choose one to put on my team, I would choose Zach Miller.
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You are insane.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Because my opinion is different from yours, I am insane? I like winslow as a slot guy but if I am looking at guys from purely a TE standpoint, playing their snaps there, i would choose Miller. Winslow has more talent, but Miller is a better blocker, more durable, and a bit better of a route runner. plus winslow can be a problem in the locker room.
If it is winslow as a TE/Slot WR, I would take winslow, but if we are talking as a pure TE, I would take Miller. I was unclear about this.
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No, you are insane because you clearly aren’t watching the same league everyone else is.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am watching the same League.
Winslow is an elite talent, but what I like a tight end to do, I think Zach Miller does it about as well and is younger and more durable.
Winslow is a much more talented player, but I would rather have him as a TE/Slot WR where you can create mismatches. but if we are talking about a guy where he is lining up 100% of snaps at TE, I would rather personally have Miller, because of his more consistent effort blocking.
I am not at all talking about who is the better player. Winslow is definitely the better player. However, I would rather have Zach miller on my team b/c of many things that do not show up on the stat sheet (effort while blocking, locker room presence, attitude on and off the field).
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Your shoehorning a guy into a role. You take the guy with the unique talent and then you gameplan around maximizing his talents so they can win games for you. Don’t make up imaginary roles that a guy doesn’t necessarily fall into, you’ll miss out on a lot of production from a guy like Winslow, Percy Harvin, Dexter McCluster etc.
"Smokescreen."
Jamal Lewis<Fargas/DMC (but it was darn close)
No it wasn’t
Stallworth/Steptoe=Ronald Curry/Ashley Lelie
No way. Not even close. Steptoe alone brings the Browns down below anyone else’s WRs.
Zach Miller>Heiden/Winslow (close though)
Disagree again. Say what you will about Winslow, but when he said he was better than most of the TEs in the league even at 85-90%, he was right.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
SteptoeLelie alone brings theBrownsRaiders down below anyone else’s WRs
Lelie has maybe the worst hands in the league/
Lewis didn’t have a good season, but neither did fargas. granted, with our O-Line, the running game would have been better so it probably wasn’t as close because I didn’t factor in O-Line play.
Miller vs. Winslow. Winslow is clearly the better receiver but personally I really like Miller. the problem wiht Winslow is he is not a good blocker and when he is in the game, teams pretty much knew he would run the ball. He also can not stay on the field, and has only had one season where he has started all 16 games. Winslow is more explosive and a gamebreaker but b/c of his blocking and durability, Miller IMO is more reliable.
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Lelie has talent. He is ten times the receiver of Steptoe (and he is still a bad WR, because Steptoe is beyond awful).
Jamal was good for one year here, and he was only kind of good. I would have traded him straight up for McFadden or Fargas easily. Did you not notice the huge improvement in our running game once Harrison got his carries? Did you also not notice Jamal quitting on the Browns midseason?
Winslow was never running the ball. I don’t know what you were trying to say there.
I have never missed an NFL game due to injury. I’d take Winslow over me.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Lelie has talent, but He has stone hands, which doesn’t help a young QB.
I did say that I didn’t factor in that the browns had the better O-Line and Lewis would have been significantly worse in Oakland.
Sorry. I meant that when winslow was in, teams would know we weren’t running the ball.
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We still had the advantage because you needed a DB to cover Winslow and he could block DBs. If you put a LB on him, you were done.
Again, Lelie is miles ahead of Steptoe, who has never and will never produce in the NFL. Lewis was awful outside of the one year. I don’t care about our OL versus theirs, their backs absolutely dominate Lewis.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think Russell got the shaft by playing in Oakland in general, but even DA was able to manage a good year in his career.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Apr 30, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions
Russell’s 2008 was by no means nothing special, but it is in some ways, statistically comparable to DA’s 2008 (if you go by efficiency like TD/INT).
Russell did NOT have the weapons that DA had in 2007.
Here are some comparable stats however:
TD/NT: DA- 1.52/1, JR-1.59/1
Comp %: DA- 56.5, JR- 53.8
YPA: DA- 7.2, JR-6.6
Adjusted YPA: DA-6.7, JR-6.3
Yards per Completion: DA-12.7, JR-12.2
Yes, DA had more yards, but put Russel with that offensive line, running game, and set of weapons and maybe he does similarly well.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
F*%^ you, go root for Buffalo.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK3k-LLnZ7k&feature=related
No thanks. This guy can barely speak, and when you CAN understand him, he doesn’t really say anything.
I don’t think he fits the smart, tough, generally good person mold that it seems like we’re going for.
Sure why not? He is a freak who needs direction. Getting cut may be the wake up call he needed. If not, cut him. NBD.
Though I’m still annoyed that we could have had Troy Smith who would give his non-throwing arm to be here and we won’t even give him a shot.
by HenryDawg on Apr 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How do you know we could have had him? He was a restricted free agent; even if we did want him Baltimore could have matched our offer and kept him. And I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have traded him to Cleveland. So it’s doubtful we could have had him even if we were interested.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
True but we still could have tried to get him. There’s no guarantee Bmore would want to match an offer for someone who doesn’t want to be there. It wouldn’t seem like such a slap in the face had we not brought in 2 highly questionable FAs.
by HenryDawg on Apr 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I trust Mike Holmgren’s judgment on QB’s more than HenryDawg’s. Call me crazy.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You are crazy.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 30, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow what an Earth shattering comment. You trust a super bowl winning coach over some guy on a blog? Thanks for the insight.
That said, in my OPINION, I would much rather have Troy Smiths potential and leadership over Wallace, who Holmgren obviously brought in because he knew him well.
NFL guys aren’t gods, they’re managers and like most managers in a new job, they like to bring in “their” guys.
by HenryDawg on May 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Troy Smith’s got nothing. I’d rather have Wallace.
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Smith was obviously the better option, as I feel he probably could feasibly start in the NFL, however his price tag was also higher, having been a 5th rounder rather than a 7th like what we paid for Wallace. If the price were the same, you should take Smith all day.
However the other factor is that Troy Smith would be an immediate fan favorite most likely and the fans would want to see him play. Still, I think we probably would have been better off with Smith starting this year than Delhomme, but I suppose the Ravens weren’t interested in trading him within the division or we had other machinations for that 5th round pick.
"Smokescreen."
Smith was obviously the better option, as I feel he probably could feasibly start in the NFL
He’s had a total of 89 pass attempts in his career. You have no idea if he’s any good.
If the price were the same, you should take Smith all day.
Wallace is a better athlete, has better numbers, and is well versed in the Holmgren/Haskell offense. Troy Smith is a question mark.
However the other factor is that Troy Smith would be an immediate fan favorite most likely and the fans would want to see him play.
We just got rid of an ‘immediate fan favorite’. I’d rather have a guy who earns his position.
Still, I think we probably would have been better off with Smith starting this year than Delhomme
Yeah, a career backup is always a better option than a former Pro Bowler.
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Jeff Garcia had multiple pro bowl years. Dilfer won a SB. I would rather take a shot on a guy who has proven people wrong at every level, a guy who said he would crawl to cleveland, and a guy who Herbie (a very underrated talent evaluator) thought we should have taken with the #3 overall pick (though I’m glad we took Thomas)
by HenryDawg on May 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would really love to see where Kirk Herbstreit said that the Browns should pick Troy Smith with the #3 pick in the draft. I don’t believe that.
by Buckeye Brad on May 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
When he is a UFA, I have no problem signing him. The ravens won’t trade him to us for anything close to a good deal because it is a lose-lose for them. Even if we offer him a contract now, the ravens can match (or if they view it as a really good deal for them, they can let us sign him and rip us off).
If Troy can get them to cut him, I am game.
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Was this at an OSU football alumni luncheon? #3 overall really? If he actually did say that i don’t think you can label him a very underrated talent evaluator. Should probably just stick to “homer.”
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I’ve actually felt in the past that Herbie has underrated OSU to overcompensate for his homerness. But yeah, #3 overall for Troy would have been crazy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah, I’ve always thought Herbstreit has always been very objective when it comes to discussing the Buckeyes. Any I’ve heard many non-Buckeyes fans praise his college football analysis and say that he’s one of the best, if not the best, on TV. That doesn’t make him a great talent evaluator for the NFL, of course.
And I still doubt that he said the Browns should pick Smith with the #3 pick until I see confirmation of that, unless it was possibly as a joke.
how do you know we didn’t try?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we didn’t give an offer sheet though, maybe we tried a trade.
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by notthatnoise on Apr 30, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What number one pick got a complete shaft job?
Darren McFadden.
Seriously, though I’m not going to pile on JaMarcus because we will probably be watching some sort of “Run Ricky Run” JaMarcus apologist documentary in a few years. But I really don’t think JaMarcus is what the Browns need. Having elite physical tools does not a great quarterback make.
If Holmgren wanted to put that little exclaimation on his hall of fame career by developing a super talented but raw QB prospect, he could have drafted Tebow.
"Smokescreen."
Ahhhh . . . somehow Jaws slips a Tebow reference in a post about JaMarcus Russell. Go figure.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Shocking, no?
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you love Tebow, but he doesn’t have close to the physical talent that Russell does.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Russel still sucks at football. All the physical talent in the world won’t take away that fact.
Tebow > Russel
(Only if there was a gun to my head, and I had to choose one of them. Easy choice though.)
maybe in college, but Tebow hasn’t played a down yet in the NFL. As bad as Russell has been, he’s not going to be the last bad QB, and there’s still a chance Tebow is out of the QB spot in 3 years.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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Wow, comparing Ricky Williams to Jamarcus Russell. Rick is an articulate dude who, when not suspended, is a pretty damn good football player. Jamarcus Russell is . . . well . . .
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Before we kill Russell, look at Steve Young’s stats in Tampa, the Raiders of that time.
Young had a CMP% in the low 50’s a low YPA and a 11-21 TD/INT ratio.
I’m not saying that Russell is Steve Young by any means, but to throw dirt on Russell may be a mistake.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It is less of the performance and more of the apparent even to my eyes lack of work ethic, love of the game, and perseverance.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am operating under the massive assumption that Russell is actually motivated to make something of himself as a player.
Granted this is a massive assumption.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Same with Quinn
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Quinn doesn’t have the skill set of a Young or Russell. Quinn = Trent Edwards with a six-pack.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Heap on Quinn all you want, but we’ve never really seen him have an opportunity to play.
"Smokescreen."
Quinn does not posses the tools of Russell.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are overrating his size and ability to throw inaccurate 60 yard ropes.
Guy isn’t very accurate. He doesn’t seem to be able to read the defense and hit check downs, either. He really doesn’t even seem to be all that great of an athlete, Colt and Tebow are both faster on the field. And despite his size, I’d be willing to bet that Tebow dominates him in the raw strength numbers, too.
However, he seems to have some desire to improve himself, and the reports of him showing up to camp at 3 bills seem vastly overrated. Perhaps he will get his head right and make something out of his career, but I don’t think the Browns are the right team to take a shot on this guy given that we already have 4 quarterbacks on the roster. Also, I really am no t that impressed with his “tools” considering that size and arm strength are vastly overrated.
"Smokescreen."
I’d be willing to bet that Tebow dominates him in the raw strength numbers, too.
I am going to try and hide my amazement that you believe Tebow is the greatest person to ever walk the earth.
Shocking.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
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by rufio on May 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
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by rufio on May 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
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by golanbatrac on May 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on May 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on May 1, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
by Roger Dorn on May 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a ridiculous statement about Tebow vs. Russell.
by Buckeye Brad on May 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is a clusterf’k of greatness…
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
echo!
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on May 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Rufio gets the rec. You others can go play dodge ball .
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
by Brownie's Year on May 1, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Did someone divide by Joe Thomas again?
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by rufio on May 3, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the comparison was brady quinn, not Tebow or McCoy.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
i beg to differ – everything is about tim tebow.
by Dawg Nuts on May 1, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guy isn’t very accurate. He doesn’t seem to be able to read the defense
and quinn could? he did not look comfortable reading a defense with more time than russell. granted, Quinn could hit his checkdowns, but thats more because those were the only throws he would make for a while. for a little while, it seemed like he would look to the checkdowns first b/c he didn’t trust either himself or his receivers deeper downfield.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
you did say Quinn vs. Russell was not a good comparison. you say all these things russell can’t do as evidence to disprove what B19K was saying which was that russell had more skills than quinn. whatever your opinion of quinn was, you left the door open by saying that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Did I say you did? No.
This is what happened.
B19K said Russell had more skills than BQ. you point out that these skills didn’t help him throw the ball accurately or read a defense…also pointing out that the physical skills don’t matter in the comparison made.
however, Quinn without Russell’s physical skills still wasn’t able to be accurately.
Its not always in life about what you explicitly say but what you implicitly say.
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So you guys can right? Sly thinking.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thought there was a don’t in there. Damnit.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, no. I think he be a good fit for you guys………..
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Bernie seems to fit you guys as well. Not our Bernie. Your Bernie who is made out of soft and breathable material.
Also, he’s a jackass sometimes. Perfect fit for the Ravens.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So you guys can right?
Fail.*
*Write, not Right — stupid mistake to make when you are trying to put someone down for not knowing how to right write. Too bad Ravens-fan was too dumb go catch it.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking it was “you guys can, right?”
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Hmm, maybe you are right? Then it is a fail fail.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was confused at what you were trying to say because Rufio is exactly right.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. (But couldn’t you use a comma to help me not humiliate myself?)
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was probably 55% “can, right” and 44% “can write”, and 1% “can Eric Wright”
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
WWEWD?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Ravens-fan was too dumb go catch it.
Coming from someone who actually roots for the Browns…..
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
You have too many dots in your ellipse. Shouldn’t expect much knowledge from a Ravens fan though…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to do this, but its “ellipsis”
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on May 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And I hate to do this but it’s “it’s”
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha, I don’t know the keyboard code for the accent.
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On my Mac, you hold Option and press e, then e again to fill in the letter under the accent. It might work with Alt on Windows.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think it goes with CTRL.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
there’s a number code you have to use for different characters in windows, unless something has changed and i don’t know about it.
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http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~creitan/accents.htm
codes
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The accent, or the Option key? Because my keyboard has both Alt and Option on the same key.
I also remember there being something under the start menu > system (?) > character map in Windows, but I haven’t used Windows since XP.
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We love you too, Malor.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
TRSS has to keep his options open.
For all he knows, Quinn could be a Raven next.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Follow the bouncing Brady!
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh…
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
After Tebow, I doubt Brady wants anything to do with Denver.
The Maniac’s here.
by Brownie's Year on May 5, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I will start labeling all of my posts that have sarcasm in them.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No need, sir. We just won’t ever take you serious again.
The Maniac’s here.
by Brownie's Year on May 5, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in no particular order:
1) russell’s impressive arm strength, lack of touch & accuracy issues dont mesh with the West Coast system. Joe Walsh invented the WC at CIN because his strong armed QB went down & he had a smart but weak armed QB to employ it.
2) on a team with solid leadership Russell could be tolerated but lets face it…there isnt a player/players on the roster (other than Cribbs) that people defer to or go to for leadership. Who is going to call him out or choke the daylights out of him for leaving Rally’s Cheeseburger wrappers on the floor?
3) Putting the Orange Kool-Aid aside, the Browns WR’s dont exactly rate highly at the moment & are very raw. At this moment they arent likely to be a help to his development. Russell needs a playmaker who will tell him how to play the game not just wander out there.
In my mind, Russell would be a complete rebuild.
He would be inactive every week. He would have no chance of playing the first season unless it was preseason.
In that line of thinking, I don’t mind that the WR’s are young. If the WR still suck next year I would be more worried about the WR’s being terrible than having a young QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Can he play MLB?
http://prideofcleveland.blogspot.com/
by Red-Right-88 on Apr 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Walsh invented the WC at CIN because his strong armed QB went down & he had a smart but weak armed QB to employ it.
Joe Walsh invented the West Coast Offense and played with the Eagles — did not know that. Hint. (The clowns are really coming out today.)
by TheDriveStillHurts on Apr 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
russell’s impressive arm strength, lack of touch & accuracy issues dont mesh with the West Coast system
that is why he would be a project guy…
on a team with solid leadership Russell could be tolerated but lets face it…there isnt a player/players on the roster (other than Cribbs) that people defer to or go to for leadership.
holmgren has stated that this is one of the reason he got Delhomme. delhomme has been to the super bowl and can be a leader in the locker room.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Delhomme, Brown, Fujita, Watson, take your pick. I like the fact we are bringing in veterans who have “been there, done that” with winning teams.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
yep. I dunno how much of a leader Watson is but Delhomme was brought in for his locker room presence. the locker room presence and veteran leadership that we got from brown was one of the things eagles fans loved the best. Fujita was just on a Super bowl winning D…and even watson won a SB.
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This. i think its a little early for people to be so down on delhomme. the guy has a history of some pretty decent play, certainly head and shoulders above the monkey crap we had at QB last year.
I think we’ve just been so abused by the passing game over the last few years that we have to put our expectations at “can’t get lower”.
I think Delhomme will play about league average, which will certainly be head and shoulders above the monkey crap we saw last year. Now, if we can get the WRs to show that they’ve taken some steps forward and the TEs can actually catch, we could be an OK passing team.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think Delhomme will be exactly that. I also think MoMass breaks out this year. He was showing flashes of being a great WR last year. I am just hoping Robiskie does the same. IDK about him though….didn’t see enough to tell much about him last year.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
there isnt a player/players on the roster (other than Cribbs) that people defer to or go to for leadership
joe thomas will be in touch.
Thomas is not a leader, he’s a dictator. If you go to him for help, you will be pancaked.
This is not a democracy, it’s a Thomasatarianship.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thomas is better than dictator. He’s a global leading humanitarian…… who loves pancakes.
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
by Brownie's Year on May 1, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else besides me think that Russell is dense enough to think that he can get more than the veteran minimum on the open market?
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
He probably does. However, I am fairly hog certain he isn’t going to get much.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
The market has a way of correcting such egos, on occasion.
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
rambling thought on the “freeness” of the market, which is intended to incite a big long debate!
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by notthatnoise on Apr 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing is clear…if we are interested in Jamarcus, we better act fast before Carolina or Denver signs him.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I don’t know about denver but I can definitely see carolina.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Pretty sure that was sarcasm from golan. Both of those teams have enough young QB issues to solve, the last thing they need is another guy to have to devote effort and attention to.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
oh…I couldn’t tell…because carolina at this point wouldn’t surprise me.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Even with Moore, Clausen and Tony Pike there?
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
to me, it seems like carolina is just collecting young, unproven guys.
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Moore and Clausen both> Delhome
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no way. i’d be more than willing to enter into one of your crazy bets that delhomme has a much better year with the browns, statistically, than either of those two has. maybe they’ll be better long term, but now: no.
i think carolina made a mistake by letting delhomme go after an atrocious season and hanging their hats on moore.
Wow. You are so much of a homer it is funny.
Moore had 8 TD and 2 INT. 61% completion
JD had the same amount of TDs, but 18 INTS! 55% completion
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. You are so much of a homer it is funny.
this coming from the kid who rubs himself whilst looking at pictures of the golden dome.
And has an oopsie when looking at the white arches of Yankee old.
Ha.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would I need to look at the Yankees of old? They won it all JUST LAST YEAR!
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with ya on the Yankee’s baby! Best team money can buy. I have loved them since back in the day of Don Mattingly. Pretty sure I have every baseball card ever made of the guy.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I have his 1982 or 83 Columbus Clippers card somewhere. You got that one?
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
and DA made a pro bowl when the book wasn’t out on him…the key is adjusting when the league figures you out.
in case you pay attention to baseball…matt Moore may be Jason Heyward with less hype. Heyward is a rookie who came in red hot but then went 1-20…just an example of growing pains while adjusting to the league.
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Fail for comparing players of different sports.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
the comparison still applies. Matt Moore is unproven.
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You could have used Matt Schuab in Atlanta.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No, because then that is an example that doesn’t work out the way he wants it too.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Moore stats:
Career: 8 starts, 148 completions in 249 attempts for a 59.4 completion %, 1,783 yards, 7.2 YPA, 11 TDs, 7 INTs, 84.5 QB rating.
2009: 5 starts, 85-for-138 for 61.6 comp %, 1,053 yards, 7.6 YPA, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, and a 98.5 YPA.
Compare those stats to Matt Schaub’s, prior to his ‘07 trade to Houston: 2 starts, 84 completions in 161 attempts (52.2%), 1033 yards, 6.4 YPA, 6 TDs and 6 INTs. If I calculated correctly, that’s a 69.1 QB rating. In return for trading him, ATL swapped first-rounders with Houston, moving up from 10th to 8th, and acquired Houston’s ’07 and ’08 second-round picks.
I would take Matt Moore over any of the QBs we have now, or over Clausen. He hasn’t completely proved himself, so if we had him, I would still have taken McCoy in the third or (like the Panthers) Clausen in the 2nd because I think those are steals. But Moore is the best bet.
fine, decent argument, but you think delhomme’s career statistics are that much worse than Moore’s?
Delhomme – career:
59.2 comp.%
7.2 YPA
123 TD, 94 INT
82.1 QB rating
certainly not superstar, but better than anything we’ve had recently, and fairly close to moore’s career numbers. plus, don’t you think there’s at least a chance moore will have a kelly holcomb like season, where he collapses when he’s given full control of the job?
and clausen is a rookie, and i don’t expect much out of him.
my point is simply that i think delhomme will have a better season statistically than moore or clausen. that’s my opinion.
Oh, please. Delhomme is declining big time. If you had him in his prime it would be different.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and Moore is some sort of guy in his prime with all these years of experience to back it up?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
No but it is reasonable to expect Moore to be as good or even get better.
I don’t think it is reasonable to expect Delhomme turn it around, IMO.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow…you always impress me bross.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
fine, decent argument, but you think delhomme’s career statistics are that much worse than Moore’s?
Delhomme – career:
59.2 comp.%
7.2 YPA
123 TD, 94 INT
82.1 QB rating
certainly not superstar, but better than anything we’ve had recently, and fairly close to moore’s career numbers. plus, don’t you think there’s at least a chance moore will have a kelly holcomb like season, where he collapses when he’s given full control of the job?
and clausen is a rookie, and i don’t expect much out of him.
my point is simply that i think delhomme will have a better season statistically than moore or clausen. that’s my opinion.
I would take Matt Moore over any of the QBs we have now, or over Clausen
I disagree. I would take clausen (I hate to say it) and probably colt
He hasn’t completely proved himself,
understatement. he really hasn’t proven much at all except that he could be a decent QB. I still think he is very unproven…Would you say Kolb is proven? people aren’t but is Moore really that much more proven?
But Moore is the best bet.
based on what he did last season? I would honestly have an open competition at QB for Carolina. If clausen does better, I would start him.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Moore and Clausen both Unproven
and so is Tony Pike.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
And Delhomme has proven he sucks now.
BAM!
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t you have other Broncos fans to bother? Oh I forgot they drafted over Brady Quinn. I suppose you are a Carolina fan now?
"Smokescreen."
…
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
and Moore and Clausen have proven nothing. at least Delhomme has had good seasons in his career…
BAM!
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t think one bad season (yes it was very bad) “proves” that he sucks. A change in scenery and forgetting the past can make a big difference.
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This reminds me of the Jamal Lewis conversations last year
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
its a totally different situation though. Jamal lewis physically couldn’t do it any more. he was too old and slow. That type of thing doesn’t reverse itself, and anyone who thought he could still be anything better than what he was was fooling themselves. With Jake, there doesn’t seem to be anything physical about it, it just seems like his confidence was shot for a year. a fresh start can help that.
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by notthatnoise on May 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No, you are wrong. Jake is getting older, and may not be able to physically bounce back either.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a ridiculous statement. stop telling everyone they’re wrong. these are our opinions. we think delhomme will have a better season, you think something different. it doesn’t mean we’re wrong. if he stinks it up next year, come back and gloat, as you seem to like that. until then, stop acting like a know-it-all.
by Dawg Nuts on May 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To tell you the truth, you are doing the exact thing you accuse me of doing.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna bop you one good young man!
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on May 3, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No way, absolutely no way. Delhomme had a bad year we all know, but this I just don’t buy. There is a reason Delhomme started at QB for Carolina all those years. He can play.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Jamal Lewis started a lot, y’all should get him back
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
really, a RB that takes constant abuse, does not equal an NFL QB. It just doesn’t
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Any QB taken 1st overall clearly had talent to succeed and Russell is no exception. I really think Oaklands situation played an enormous role in his laziness. He was drafted by a coach who didn’t want him and hated the organization (Lane Kiffin) then had a coach who punched his coworker (Tom Cable) not to mention Al Davis running the show. Would you want to show up for work in that situation if you’d already signed a gigantic bonus? I say Russell still has a (potentially bright) future in the league and an incentive-laden contract with good mentoring could do the trick
by sww2109 on Apr 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Would you want to show up for work in that situation if you’d already signed a gigantic bonus?
I might not like my work environment, but it sure as hell wouldn’t affect my offseason training, or preparation b/c I would know that my future with other, more successful teams and my legacy would depend on it. I’d be thinking, alright, as soon as my contracts up I’M outta here.
This guy has had SEVERAL seasons to get his sh*t together, and he’s been nothing but a liability…regardless of the team he’s on. Everyone deserves more than one chance, but he’s gotten several.
He’s one of the MAIN causes of their suckage, moreso than they’re the cause of HIS.
Besides, I was never a fan of ‘one year wonders’ going #1 in the draft. Jamarcus had essentially ONE great season and all of a sudden b/c of his physical skills he gets waaay, waaay overrrated.
buuuuuh! --mooncamping
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 30, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s one of the MAIN causes of their suckage, moreso than they’re the cause of HIS.
the question is, how much can we know about who caused who? I like to look at catch rates for his receivers. All of his WRs had a catch rate of under 50% with the lowest being lelie at 27%. by comparison, the TE Zach Miller had a solid catch rate of 65%. Miller had a catch rate in ’09 (with 7 games of the more accurate Frye/Bradkowski) of 67%. so it was better, but not by a ton. the receivers were worse catching the ball than BE/Stallworth/Steptoe.
This is a team with one of the worst lines in the league at protecting the QB. This is a team that has given up 201 sacks since 2005 (over 50 a year). that even eclipses the steelers with 195. Fact is, my belief is we don’t know for certain what jamarcus russel may be able to do b/c he was with Oakland
Besides, I was never a fan of ‘one year wonders’ going #1 in the draft. Jamarcus had essentially ONE great season
I totally agree…but look at all the guys who come out after only one “great” season. Alex Smith did that, really clausen only had one “great” season and another solid one, the list goes on but very often, guys only have one decent season and get drafted. It will happen to andrew luck, Jake Locker (though 2009 for him could be considered “great”), Pat Devlin…very rarely does a QB do otherwise in college these days. I will say the same thing about luck if he comes out (which he shouldn’t yet)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Fact is, my belief is we don’t know for certain what jamarcus russel may be able to do b/c he was with Oaklan
What we do know though, is while he certainly is not to solely to blame for what transpired on the field…he is solely to blame for what he does/does NOT do, off the field, especially pertaining to the offseason. He’s been around for 3 seasons and every year he has come in unprepared mentally and physically. Christ, this year he came in at 350 pounds, and he knew he had a weight issue and has had plenty of money, resources, support, and time to address it.
buuuuuh! --mooncamping
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 30, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts are that he is essentially immature…can’t handle the money and fame, perhaps felt too great a sense of entitlement..like success was simply going to fall into his lap in the pros.
He was probably like this in college, but could get away with it and experince success b/c of the dramatic difference in level of play and complexity between college and the pros. The NFL doesn’t suffer fools, and very, vry quickl;y they are exposed, as we all know. …
So he gets #1 pick money and this is going to help or change all that? Nope. This immaturity is best evidenced by his lack of work ethic…now I’m not a fly on his wall so I don’t know the full particulars, but his appearance and performance is telling, and almost to a man everyone around him says the same…so I am more inclined to believe it than not. Of course he might mature, change his priorities, and end up being a successful QB…but he certainly has not shown any evidence of this possibility up to this point.
buuuuuh! --mooncamping
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not his fault. Do you think it’s his fault?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 30, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
the raiders did not force feed him, they can’t pick up the blame.
Lethargic fatso with big arm… hell I would be asking for Tim Couches cell phone number before Ruffles.
by Ghost of Bill Wirtz on Apr 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
partially. definitely the work ethic is and some of the on the field stuff, but that was a terrible team.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
The Raiders really aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. They were picking 1 spot after us this year. They really aren’t that far removed from a Super Bowl appearance. Russell was bad because he sucked.
They really aren’t that far removed from a Super Bowl appearance
and how many players from that team are still on the raiders? 3 (really 2). their punter, their kicker, and a backup DT who started one game that season and just resigned with them recently after being out of the NFL since 2007. They are 8 years removed from a super bowl and really the only common denominator between those raiders and these is Al Davis.
The Raiders really aren’t as bad as people make them out to be
yep, they are a team of perrenial pro bowlers on offense and the only think holding them back is Jamarcus.
the browns don’t have a ton of talent on offense. Still, discouting draft picks, there are maybeo only 5-6 guys I would consider taking and putting on the browns. Schillens, Gallery, Jason Campbell, Zach Miller, Darren McFadden and Possibly Michael Bush.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
yep, they are a team of perrenial pro bowlers on offense and the only think holding them back is Jamarcus
He never said — or implied — that.
no one has him tied up, jamming twinkies down his throat. the only one responsible for him being a fatty is himself.
and no one is trying to trick him on the playbook. he’s the only one that can put in the time to learn it inside and out.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Turrible
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on May 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the joke, guys. Did you all see his interview?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 30, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely insane! We’re already going to have to get rid of a QB because we already have 4. Why sign a failure like Russell? Who cares that he had 2 O’ Coordinators in 3 seasons. Does this sound like anyone we know? Perhaps every Brown QB since we have come back to the NFL?
But you could be right. Jamarcus could be a great quarterback. But since he was benched in favor a former Brown QB, albeit only for a couple of games, and lost playing time to a former middle round draft pick by the Browns, Charlie Frye, I would have to say that Jamarcus Russell’s chances of making any type of impact for any team in the NFL at QB is remote at least.
Looks like maybe Minnesota would be a more likely landing place. Russell has little incentive to do well at this point. He has tons of money. It would be about reputation and he doesn’t seem to even care about that. One thing you don’t want on your team is someone that obviously gives less than 100% and that is Russell all the way. He is the poster child for why the NFL needs a rookie salary schedule like that found in the NBA.
Brownsyup
Just guessing, but JaMarcus comes across to me as the type who hasn’t saved much of his money.
Maybe the picture above has something to do with that. Or it could be that the moron decided to buy this little diddy. Hope he gets number 2 wherever he goes next.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Quote from the ESPN NFL rumor page:
Given Russell’s struggles at the professional level, it’s hard to get a read on what team would be the best fit at this point, but Cleveland Browns fan blog DawgsByNature.com has a post clamoring for the team to sign Russell. Could Mike Holmgren be the guy to help Russell turn his career around?
Way to go, Bernie.
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on May 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Who the fuck is clamoring?
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
by Brownie's Year on May 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
imagine that, ESPN blew something out of proportion.
by Dawg Nuts on May 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too bad they took it seriously and it makes us look like we actually want him.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on May 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Now if we can just get someone to ask Mangini and Heckert about it.
Then I would need a Mel Kiper – Bill Tobin like meltdown.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Now everyone thinks were gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
by Brownie's Year on May 1, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland QBs
Kyle Boller QB 28
— Jason Campbell QB 28
3 Charlie Frye QB 28
5 Bruce Gradkowski QB 27
7 J.P. Losman QB 29
2 JaMarcus Russell QB 24
16 Andrew Walter 27
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Do they really have 7 QBs?
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on May 1, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
according to ESPN, not sure how up to date that is
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the Raiders: Where QBs come to fail and failures come to be themselves.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on May 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If the Browns run a west coast offense, Russell would be a horrible fit
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 1:39 AM EDT reply actions
If Russell actually turned into a good player, I would assume that the offense would change to suit his strengths.
Not that hard.
by Bernie19Kosar on May 2, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Good nite DBN. I wanted to leave all you guys with something funny. Rather than me try to come up with something I thought I would leave you guys with clip from one of my favorite comedians, Jeff Dunham. F-ing hilarious no matter how many times you watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXOg23pGeA
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
also one last note…thought this was interesting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/1019b4177071221162
Thought this was interesting, however me+alcohol+3am=many things interesting.
Anyone that works in an office like me may find this interesting though.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
this was pretty interesting, i mean i found it interesting. then again, things that are interesting tend to be interesting.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on May 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If I’m interested in something it usually is interesting to me. Office chairs…. not so much.
The Maniac’s here.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the poll
I don’t like the “no” choices you have posted. It’s not that I think Colt McCoy is the answer or that Randy Lerner may not have the money. It’s just I don’t think we should sign him period. Something tells me Chicago may take a look at him as a backup to Cutler.
The NO answer should have been “Bring that dirigible onboard when we’re already waist deep in QB candidates, all of whom could either be described as untested on this level or as reclamation projects? You’re effing kidding, right?”
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If ever there was a player with an air of Hindenburg about him, it’s Russell.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
JaMarcus Russell is a FAT BUST!
JaMarcus Russell is the next retired Refrigerator Perry. He will blow up to 350 to 400 pounds and live off his millions he made for doing nothing in Oakland. If he came free the Browns would be paying too much to even let him try out. He is a waste of time. He will never make it in the NFL as anything, not even a back up. OT consider him is a waste of time. He is not as good as Ryan Leaf.
I have enjoyed knowing several women with fat busts.
by drjeo on May 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec!
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever considered cleveland.com?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thought I'd lend a Raider fan's perspective.
If he can be signed for the minimum or close to it, why not? I agree that he was absolutely not given an opportunity to succeed in Oakland and I spent time telling myself this as well.
I have come to the conclusion, however that Russell lacks the accuracy and instincts to be a great starting QB. I don’t care how lazy or apathetic he has been—I think it would be foolish to expect significant gains in these areas.
I feel his obviously crap attitude has masked what he lacks in talent to be a good NFL QB.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
I feel like this: If holmgren wasn’t willing to take a chance on developing Brady Quinn then why would have take the chance on Russell?
To be honest I don’t know why we got rid of Brady, I guess Mangini really didn’t get along with him (Bernie Kosar / Bill Belicheck-esque rift?) If that is the case then It certainly is great to have a guy like Holmgren here to straighten out Eric Mangini’s offensive philosophy.
"Smokescreen."
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