SB Nation Mock Draft: Dawgs By Nature Selects QB Colt McCoy at No. 38
by Chris Pokorny on Apr 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
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PrintThe annual SB Nation Writers Mock Draft is going on over at Mocking the Draft and is into Round 2 now. After drafting S Eric Berry in the first round, who did I take the next time the Cleveland Browns were on the clock?
Just as I went to make my pick, I had to wait for the Philadelphia Eagles to jump in and change the original plans of the Washington Redskins if they hadn't acquired McNabb. Without further adieu...
With the No. 38 overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Cleveland Browns have selected Colt McCoy, QB, Texas.
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Why the selection?
McCoy is an acceptable option considering the moves the team has made on defense through free agency. McCoy's accuracy would be long-awaited in Cleveland after the near-50 percent completion rates for Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. His arm strength has been criticized, but he had an impressive showing at his Pro Day.
This pick was obviously not as clear-cut as the first-round pick was in the sense that Browns fans either aren't sold on McCoy, or they wouldn't want to draft him until the third round. I've already seen some of the displeasure with the pick voiced from DBN members on Mocking the Draft, which brings up the question: who would you have chosen at No. 38 overall?
I admit that my selection was greatly altered by the acquisition of CB Sheldon Brown, because I had strongly considered taking a cornerback. If McCoy would've been gone (which originally happened behind the scenes, but changed due to the Donovan McNabb trade), I would've addressed the defensive line (my original pick was DE Corey Wootton). At the time of my pick, the Top 5 overall prospects remaining on the board, according to Mocking the Draft, were...
1 - Bruce Campbell/OT/Maryland, 2 - Jonathan Dwyer/RB/Georgia Tech, 3 - Damian Williams/WR/USC, 4 - Rob Gronkowski/TE/Arizona, 5 - Brandon Spikes/LB/Florida
You may discuss the pick here, or at Mocking the Draft. Either way, be sure to visit Mocking the Draft to read my full reasoning in choosing McCoy; you can vote to grade the pick their as well. As of this post, my pick of McCoy was rated a 3.66, which is lower than the 4.74 satisfaction rate for selecting Berry.
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I agree. I’m skeptical we will get McCoy, but I’d love to see those 2 in a browns uniform.
by johnnyphoenix on Apr 7, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a good pick. Of course everyone knows I would have picked Tebow over McCoy but I’m pretty sure we will take one of the two at this spot.
"Smokescreen."
We better freakin’ not take Tebow at 38.
by emily522 on Apr 6, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
If we want him that’s where we have to take him. I highly doubt he gets past say 41 or something like that. I’d bet money that if Tebow doesn’t go in the first (don’t think he will) several teams will jockey to get to the top few second day picks in order to select him.
"Smokescreen."
Well, my position (possibly Emily’s too) is that I don’t want Tebow if it requires a 2nd round pick, especially a high one. If he’s gonna go in the top 41 like you say, then let somebody else take him. At 38, I’m sorry but that’s just not good value for what I perceive to be a project pick at best.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
Why would it be prudent for the Browns to use a second rounder on a player who shouldn’t see action in a NFL game for at least two seasons?
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I feel like if we pass on him, the Patriots will pick him and go on to win a couple of super bowls, because Bill Belicheck isn’t closed-minded and can design an offense that takes advantages of Tebow’s numerous strengths.
Forget what the talking heads say, the people on this blog are smarter than all of them anyway. Theres no reason why Tebow and McCoy can’t produce on the field.
"Smokescreen."
great reasons to draft someone: BPA, need at position.
poor reason to draft someone: because the patriots might.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 7, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This.
Browns need to draft players because they are a great fit for the Browns.
Damn everyone else.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What I don’t know is what is to like about Corey Wootton? I mean Tyson Alualu, Lamarr Houston and Alex Carrington are still on the board? You really think Wootton the best 3-4 DE available? I think hes a third round guy.
"Smokescreen."
It was another pick that I felt like I wanted to trade down with, even with McCoy off the board. Between the players listed, I was intrigued by the prospect of Wootton living up to the potential he brought two years ago before his injury. Even if we sat him out the entire year and let him work at getting fully together again, he could’ve filled in as a replacement for Coleman, Smith, or Rogers in the future.
Overall, I didn’t really feel like many players at No. 38 overall were worth their value in combination with need. That’s where maybe I should’ve just considered going the BPA route.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 6, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I hear you. of the 2-3 round 3-4 DEs i like Alualu and Lamarr Houston. Both had great years last year and would fit our scheme well. However there was the prospect of drafting Damian Williams (hey another second round Wideout!) or perhaps Kareem Jackson (though I don’t like 2nd round CB now that we have something across for Eric Wright)
I’d bet big that we take a QB in the second, (McCoy or Tebow) especially if Berry isn’t there at #7 and we trade down in the first for Earl Thomas.
"Smokescreen."
However there was the prospect of drafting Damian Williams (hey another second round Wideout!)
Yep, I tried to almost turn a blind eye to second-round receivers. I’m under the opinion that if we invested two second-rounders in receivers last year, we should at least give them each another year (or in RoBo’s case, basically his first year) to develop.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 6, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I also consider try to look at this as a situation of alternative and opportunity cost.
I like Colt McCoy. I think he is significantly better than lets say Snead, Tony Pike, or even Lefevour. I like Williams but i also like Taylor Price and Andre Roberts later. Not only do I think the difference between williams and the other two is smaller than the difference at QB, but I think Price and Roberts have a better chance at having very good careers than Pike or Snead or Lefevour.
Like B19Ks post about QBs pointed out. after this point in the draft, it is hard to find QBs. McCoy in many ways reminds me of Brees. If Brees was bigger and taller he would have been a first rounder. I truly think this was the best pick you could have made Chris considering the draft as a whole…
And the point about the WRs last year is valid and makes me more in favor of the pick.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Yeah, I agree. Though if andre roberts is there in the third. Run, don’t walk.
Also a CB could be a nice pick down there too. (Brandon Ghee? Javier Arenas late third? we need a nickelback)
For 4-3 DEs i really like Alualu and Lamarr Houston now. If one of them happens to fall it would be a fantastic value later in the second or early third.
"Smokescreen."
Another nice 3rd round get would be Vlad Ducasse out of UMass. Dude is a physical freak for an offensive guard. If he can be coached up the boy could really push some people around.
"Smokescreen."
Yeah, definitely every bit as strong and athletic as Iupati, though less polished. Seems like he could be a really good kid.
"Smokescreen."
I smell a sockpuppet.
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by golanbatrac on Apr 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched a couple of youtube videos that made Derek Anderson look good.
One picture is worth 128K words.
by StuckInPa on Apr 7, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched a couple of youtube videos that made sticking your head in a blender look good.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 8, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
will it blend?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 9, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but you’ll have an interesting story to tell people in the ER.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 9, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, the glowsticks one is my personally favorite
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. the only guy out of MTDs top 5 I would have personally considered was Damian WIlliams. To me, I consider Williams in talent, a top 30-35 prospect.
Bruce Campbell might be the most talented player left, but I am not sold on him because of inconsistent play, inexperience, and injuries.
Dwyer I am not sold on. I really like the pick though and gave it a high grade because McCoy really is an early second rounder now.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Don’t know why we would want Dwyer. If we really want a RB maybe wait till later rounds. Not 1st or 2nd.
I would not take a RB that early, let alone Dwyer. I think Campbell will be a bust and I don’t think we need a TE that early. Spikes would be a reach for a position that is not a large need. The only guy I would seriously have considered was Damian Williiams. However, I think the difference between Colt and lets say a Lefevour, Snead, or Pike are much greater than the difference between Damian Williams and Taylor Price or Andre Roberts. plus I consider QB a greater position of a need for a youth infusion. I think a WR would not be bad, but there are better options, plus we just got 2 last year. I am in favor of possibly getting a WR later, but I truly like the pick.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Wootton is a good pick.
He played this entire season banged up. Go back and watch him in ’08. Easily the best player on a bad team. Will be a very good 3-4 DE. If he was healthy this season he would have been a top 15 guy. Reminds me of Chris Canty. Versatile.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He destroyed his knee in the Alamo bowl in 08 and was pretty quiet and hurt in 09. I think picking him this high is officially a big risk.
That’s the thing. I don’t think he was near 100% this past season.
As long as the doctors give him an okay, I would think that he should have no problem bouncing back. (The whole 2 years for an ACL injury make me overlook his ’09 season).
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You Are Hired as GM
First of all, in full disclosure, I am a huge Colt McCoy fan, and it is evidenced by my screen name. I know Colt well, and here is why I love the pick:
1. He is a fantastic leader.
2. He is a fantastic person – and does it with a lot less fanfare than Mr. Tebow.
3. He has uncanny accuracy, holding the all time NCAA completion % record he established in 2008. He has averaged over 70% completion in his junior and senior years.
4. He would be the most athletic QB we have had since??? Think he is somewhat faster than BQ – he can run in the 4.6 range – and still lifts 300LB bench.
So what is the worry? It is the arm strength issue. Which you talked about in your analysis. As much as I like Colt – that does still concern me as a Browns fan. However, if Holmgren/Heckert/Mangini select him in round 2 – that would mean he demonstrated the requisite arm strength. That is something that can be seen in workouts. The heart, football smarts, and competitiveness is harder question mark to figure out – and in those aspects – he is phenomenal.
I like him. being a great person doesn’t matter as much when it comes to production but I like to have good people.
the guy he reminds me of a bit. Drew Brees coming out. the question marks for him are
a) his accuracy
b) his height and build
c) system that was good for his skill set.
(ater I listed this, i found this exerpt from wikipedia about brees)
he slipped due to concerns about his relatively short stature for a professional quarterback (6’0"), a perceived lack of arm strength, and a sense that he had succeeded in college in a system designed for him.
Don’t these concerns sound like the same concerns that face colt? They are. both are first round talents when it comes to poise, decision making, and accuracy, but lacked the height and arm strength to be taken in the first round.
I like colt more every week it seems like.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
by bross09 on Apr 6, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am in favor of this pick.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 6, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Some of the experts are saying Colt might go at the end of the first round. QBs always end up going higher than expected.
Unless they are Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers.
"...maybe this year, there's no gorilla" - YoDaddyWags
by woodsmeister on Apr 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone who doesn’t like this, and thinks we have other needs, I will post what I said on MTD.
a) Safety eric berry
b) starting CB sheldon brown
c) Outside linebacker Chris Gocong
d) Tight End Ben Watson
e) right tackle Tony pashos
f) Power runner to Peyton Hillis
I think we definitely could use to get B, C, or E, in the draft, but those aren’t glaring needs b/c of moves made in the offseason. these moves can be addressed in the third. I think after the offseason, our biggest need is a young QB. if Delhomme will have a good season, it will be the last good season he has most likely. seneca isn’t a long term answer.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I don’t think Gocong was the answer to our OLB prayers.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think we still need to get a OLB, maybe in the third round, but I will not be overly worried if he is a starter (or backup getting significant time) this season.
I am not saying these positions are completely solved. I think we eventually need to get a young CB too in this draft, like in the third. same with an OT and a OLB…but with the moves we made, I see getting a young QB, one Hoheni think can be a good QB in the league, as more of a priority than getting another OLB or CB at this point.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
you sure? I mean I know terry pluto said they would play him some at ILB but where are you getting this from (not that I doubt you, I just haven’t read this).
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6. The coaches love linebackers who can play different spots, and Gocong fits that job description. While he played the 4-3 in Philadelphia, the Browns believe he’s better suited for the 3-4 as he is solid defending the run.
7. As of now, the Browns have D’Qwell Jackson (not happy with his contract situation as a restricted free agent), Eric Barton (coming off neck surgery), David Bowens and Gocong as inside linebackers. They also believe Scott Fujita and Jason Trusnik can play inside.
This is from Pluto, yes, but it sounds more to me like he’s saying thats his main position.
One picture is worth 128K words.
I questioned Pluto’s take on this in another thread. I’d be surprised if Gocong was not playing OLB to start the year.
I knew that Pluto said this. I just don’t know if this means that Gocong plays ILB. I agree with Dorn that I would be surprised if he wasn’t starting at OLB. Mangini coveted him in the draft and he was a hybrid DE/OLB coming out. I just tink that mangini will more likely start him at OLB, but he could play ILB in a pinch (like bowens)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
This from Rotoworld on the sidebar of DBN straight from the mouth of Heckert:
Browns GM Tom Heckert indicated that he envisions Chris Gocong as a pass rusher first and foremost in the team’s 3-4 defense.
“I really feel as though he fits better into our 3-4 scheme than what he did into a 4-3,” Heckert said. “I believe this move will give him a chance to show off a lot of the skills that allowed him to record more than 40 sacks in college.” Heckert’s statement indicates that Gocong will play outside linebacker.
OLB would seem to be the best fit for him most of the time, as our OLBs should be rushing the passer more often than our ILBs.
I would love it if we moved LBs around (as happens in the 46), but I think OLB we suit him best in our 3-4.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Chris, I like this pick. Colt is the only QB I really care for between the first and fourth rounds.
Other guys I would have looked at would have been Kareem Jackson, Arreleous Benn, and maybe Dwyer (I like him but have concerns about his work ethic/love of the game). Hard for me to argue against a guy who has a shot at being our QB of the future and is insanely accurate.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Agreed. I might have considered jackson or Benn but as it stands, I think getting a QB of the future may be more important. I wonder if Colt McCoy was 2 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier if he would be a first rounder. that could likely be the case. the same was for brees too. I know you want to get QBs in the first but both Colt and Brees I consider “first round Talents”.
I am not sold on Dwyer’s work ethic either. plus with the RBs we have, I consider it one of our stronger positions (with davis/Jennings, Harrison, Hillis)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Once again you are following the strategy of verifiable results towards amortization:
Here´s what you´re proposing we should buy:
Eric Berry:
-anchor leg of the 2006 AAAA Georgia State Champion 4×400m relay team
-Individually, he was the 2005 AAAA Georgia State Champion in the 200m
-37-5 record as starting quarterback at Creekside High School, Georgia
-U.S. Army All-American Bowl participant
-#3 prospect in the nation prior to college
-2009 Unanimous All-American
-2000s ESPN All-Decade High School Football Team
-2000s RivalsHigh.com Team Of The Decade First Team
-2000s Sports Illustrated All-Decade Team
-2009 Jim Thorpe Award
-2009 Bronko Nagurski Award Finalist
-2009 Lott Award Finalist
-2009 Unanimous All-American
-2009 Jack Tatum Award Winner
-2009 First-team All-SEC (Coaches, AP)
-2008 Unanimous All-American
-2008 National Defensive Sophomore of the Year (Collegefootballnews.com)
-2008 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
-2008 Jack Tatum Award Winner
-2008 First-team All-SEC (Coaches, AP)
-2008 Vince Dooley Award
-Invitee to the 2010 NFL draft in Radio City Music Hall
…if it was quantifiable this is what we must leverage against the guy´s potential towards the Pro Bowl every year, and the Hall of Fame eventually. You´d probably claim that that´s his baggage vs. his probability for success.
Colt McCoy:
-Associated Press 2A Offensive MVP at Jim Ned High School, Tuscalosa, Texas…2x
-First-team Texas All-state selection…2x
-Ranks as the all-time leading passer in Texas Division 2A high school history
-Ranks fourth overall as the all-time leading passer in Texas high school history
-2006 “All Freshman Team” by College Football News
-2006 "National Freshman of the Year" by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus
-2006 Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.
-2006 Valero Alamo Bowl Offensive MVP
-2008 Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Offensive MVP
-2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press
-2008 Second-team All-Big 12 by the Associated Press
-2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
-2008 First-team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation, FWAA, and Sports Illustrated
-2008 Archie Griffin Award
-2008 co-Sporting News Player of the Year
-2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up
-2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP
-2009 First-team All-American by Associated Press, AFCA, FWAA, Walter Camp Foundation , Rivals.com, Scout.com
-2009 First-team All-Big 12
-2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year
-2009 NCAA Quarterback of the Year
-2009 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award
-2009 Davey O’Brien Award
-2009 Chic Harley Award
-2009 Maxwell Award
-2009 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
-2009 Sporting News College Athlete of the Year
-2009 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year
records:
-UT – Most Total Touchdowns, Career: 102 (Took lead on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri)
-UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 85 (Took lead on September 20, 2008 versus Rice)
-UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Single Season: 29, (2006 season), broke own record in 2008
-UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Single Season: 34, (2008 season – reached 30 on November 15, 2008 vs. the Kansas Jayhawks)
-UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Game: 6, (October 14, 2006 versus Baylor)
-UT – Most Passing Completions, Game: 41, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)
-UT – Most Consecutive Passing Completions, Game: 18 (October 25, 2008 versus Oklahoma State (surpassed his own record of 17 on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri).
-UT – Most Career wins as a quarterback: 45 (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Vince Young, also most career wins in FBS history)
-UT – Most Career passing yards, Season: 3,594+ yards (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Major Applewhite)
-UT – Tie – Most Passing Attempts, Game: 58, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)
-NCAA – Highest Single Season completion percentage: 77.6%.
-NCAA – Most wins by a starting quarterback with 45.
-NCAA – Tied for second place for most passing touchdowns by a freshman with 29 alongside Nevada’s David Neill in 1998
…Thank God he lost to Nebraska, whom has Ndamokung Suh, whom we can pretend we want, and which made Florida lose to Alabama. Then maybe we can get some confusion going on in comparison with Gerald McCoy, based on shared last name with said Colt McCoy, or something.
And Thank God, he lost in the Heisman to Tim Tebow, who is now conveniently only a 3rd round prognostication and to Sam Bradford, whom we can now force on anyone that drafts before us, or something.
by mooncamping on Apr 7, 2010 5:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So on we go with recession conformity investments.
These guys are perfect for the Browns because they can never quite live up to their promise, and we can put more trophies on our virtual mantle. When we have to justify why we´re not going for trophies at this level, we can claim there´s simply no room above the fireplace.
Poor guys, it has to be down hill from here, doesn´t it?
We should help them sue the NCAA: For wreckless entitlement.
by mooncamping on Apr 7, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Browns Selection
It will be Berry if he is there. Whether you like it or not, Holmgren has said a Quarterback will be selected. If Jimmy Clausen is available and Berry and Bradford are gone (which they will be) Clausen could very well be the pick. The other quarterbacks dont have the arm strength that Clausen and Bradford have and that is what Holmgren wants. Clausen also has experience in that pro style offense and Holmgren thinks he can work with him. Holmgren put out the smoke screen about how he does not love Clausen, it was a smoke screen. If the Browns start trading down Clausen will definitely be the pick somewhere in that first round as the Browns acquire more picks trading down and still are able to draft him.
I am hoping for (OL) Bulaga or (LB) McClain
Holmgren won’t draft Clausen unless he is convinced he is the QB of the future. If that turns out to be Holmgren’s opinion of Clausen then we will take him over anyone else on the board including Berry.
homgren has stated that in the hierarchy of things a quarterback needs, accuracy is #1, not arm strength.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen was with a horrible Irish Team. Oklahoma was better than the Irish. Delhomme is like Gary Danielson on the 1985 team when Kosar was drafted. You going to tell me Seneca Wallace is the long term solution? They addressed the cornerback problem (which is better but still a problem) They need a quarterback more than they need anything else. It is the Browns number one need. I am thinking they are working things to get Clausen lower than at the number 7 pick. I don’t think he is in love with Clausen but who besides Bradford is there to be in love with? Eventually you have to take a chance on someone. Brady Quinn had no arm, that is not the problem here with Clausen.
I like Bulaga and McClain. Obviously Berry if he is there, HE WONT BE so we need to stop hoping he will be.
What makes you so confident about Berry? I see no way he goes higher than 5 which gives me reasonable hope he is there at 7.
Don Bank’s latest mock has him falling to us at #7 because of a run on tackles before us.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 8, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is April.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
THIS IS SPARTA!
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I like McCoy but this picture of him throwing the football up and laughing is about the, how shall I say it being politcally correct, the most feminine picture I’ve ever seen of him.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
lol. Click on the full picture of him and it doesn’t look as bad.
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by Chris Pokorny on Apr 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
still looks bad, not as bad, but still bad. lol
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
super fail bross
One picture is worth 128K words.
by StuckInPa on Apr 7, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Apr 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Damn you man, I am the photoshopper of DBN!
But, nice.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does get drafted by the Browns we will have to burn this thread to the ground to save it from getting into Steeler troll hands.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Berry is a really strong prospect. A guy most teams wont pass on. We have to assume the following:
1. Bradford (Rams) obvious I think at this point
2. Suh (Lions) They have a quarterback Suh is the best player in the draft
3. McCoy (Tampa) They have no defensive front line, Logical choice.
4. Okung (Redskins) Now they could go defense but I bet it is this OT
5. Berry (Chiefs) They have no defense at all, Berry is the best player left on defense.
6. ??(Seahawks) If Berry is there at this time they will select him or trade with the Browns who would gladly take him, I predict he will not be there.
7. ??(Browns) they can take Clausen or trade down if they dont want him because of look below.
8. Raiders may take Clausen but doubtful because Davis on record saying Russell has to get himself ready and will be. Haden is the pick here. (Cleveland addressed that CB problem, not fully but partially)
9. Bills (take Clausen in a second. they have no quarterback)
10. Jacksonville (take Clausen because Garrard is not the answer) or Dez Bryant (Cleveland will never touch Bryant with his issues)
If the Browns dont want Clausen they can move down a few picks and still get McClain or even Bulaga and pick up additional picks. Bills and Jags may want Clausen. I dont think they draft Haden, or Bryant. I am liking McClain more and more each day.
Best shot is to trade up to get Berry. Thoughts?
I think you are underestimating the run on tackles before us.
I think Okung at Washington sets off a chain reaction of three OT’s in a row (Okung, Bulaga and Williams).
Browns will be left with Berry.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 7, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
interestingly in the new mock draft on ESPN, Kiper has CLE taking Dez Bryant (KC took Berry) & McShay has CLE taking DT/NT Dan Williams (SEA took Berry). I wouldnt throw a fit over Williams but Bryant……
I think both of them are idiots. The analysts, no the players.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 7, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t a huge fan of it that early. Probably would have went Campbell, Price or Morgan Burnett
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 7, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
I would like one of the OL. The offense has a decent line now, but it could really get stronger. If Berry is there I dont think the Browns will pass. I really think he wont be. Dez Bryant is a problem waiting to happen.
I dont think anyone can really afford to take Clausen and say he is our franchise. Who would be our best fit outside of Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Berry, OKung? saying they go 1-5. Do you think Haden is really worth that high of a pick?
Does anyone like McClain at all?
PS it is sad that this part of the season has grown to be our most exciting to talk about! The FRIGGIN Draft.
The Indians are on TV! They never show the games on STO, but tonight they did!
Sorry. I felt the need to announce that. I’m happy about this.
don’t they show almost every regular season game on STO?
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by notthatnoise on Apr 7, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I worded that weirdly. Whenever they show Indians games on STO, I try to watch them but it tells me that I have to purchase the channel. I could never watch a game last year, but maybe they won’t black the games out this year. I’ll have to see tomorrow. I hope it wasn’t a fluke.
I think they give it away for a time, usually a month, so that you know what you’re missing.
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what cable do you guys have? it comes with the basic package on time warner.
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Personally, I’m disappointed.
I really think that picking McCoy at that point is a mistake simply because I don’t have him rated that high (though I do like him better than Clausen). I believe there’s better value at taking Tebow in the third, but chances are he won’t last that long. With that being said, I’d still rather take Dwyer than McCoy and forget the QB entirely. We can pick up a guy next year with our first rounder and be better off for it.
If McCoy was an inch or two taller and 10 pounds heavier, and had clausen’s arm, I bet he would be drafted higher than clausen. all of these things IMO are a bit overrated. I also am not high on dwyer and I do not consider RB that much of a need.
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IfMcCoyany of about a dozen QBs was an inch or two taller and 10 pounds heavier, and had clausen’s arm, I bet he would be drafted higher than clausen.
fixed.
true…but Colt is the highest rated out of all of them.
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I honestly don’t care that he’s an inch short or that his arm isn’t the second coming of Manning’s. I just don’t feel like McCoy is the guy for us. It’s like my position on Suh, there’s no logical reason behind it other than a gut feeling.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I say good sir, do you bite your thumb at me?
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 10, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I bite my thumb, sir.
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Worst. Story. Ever.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree. not Shakespeare’s best but I can think of a lot worse. better than Great Expectations which I read the same year…now that actually might be the worst story ever.
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Pip can rot in Hell.
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by SpecialBrownie on Apr 12, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed. I had to read like 5 chapters of that book over thanksgiving in HS. I remember at one point reading the same page for about an hour and not understanding it. not only is it the dullest book ever written but it was written almost all in british jargon, particularly cockney slang which pip spoke (and that is that british jargon that is impossible to figure out what they are saying)
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I did too…it was terrible…
they made us CHOOSE between 2 of the worst books ever written. That and Jane Eyre. We got to vote but I fell asleep during Jane Eyre in class (when the teacher was reading it)…but I got in trouble for that and didn’t even get to vote. sadly I would have voted for G.E.
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K well we just finished it in class and I hated it. Just saying
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 12, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
thats okay. each person is entitled to their opinion and I didn’t particularly love it either…and I LIKE shakespeare. try reading MacBeth. that is one of shakespeare’s best.
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We’re reading Hamlet now. I like it so far. I read Macbeth sophomore and parts of Romeo & Juliet in 8th grade.
Peyton doesn’t have the strongest arm in the NFL. Not even close.
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Well I didn’t very well wanna use Anderson or Russell’s arm as a comparison. At least Manning has strength and accuracy.
by BrownDawg1409 on Apr 11, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’s not.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
drew brees is 6 feet…yeah, it hurt him too…
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If McCoy was an inch or two taller and 10 pounds heavier, and had clausen’s arm
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Height wasn’t all that you mentioned.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wow. You can find 1 QB that is shorter than 6’2 that is good in the NFL, that must mean it is no issue at all.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Height is overblown.
Donovan McNabb, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre and Tony Romo are all 6 foot 2 inches.
Do we really think that the two inches make them a better QB? I will buy the difference when we are talking 4-6 inches, that is half a head. But 2 inches? A guy who is 6’2 is still going to need lanes between 6’8 offensive lineman just like a six foot QB.
As long as we aren’t talking about a midget, height is overblown just like arm strength.
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by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 11, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t forget the guys that have been successful that are under 6’2 that achieved NFL success
Doug Flutie
Brees
Joe Theismann
Fran Tarkenton
Jeff Garcia
Just to name a few.
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I can’t take that list seriously.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 12, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
why not? all of those guys were good starting QBs for multiple years in the NFL. I’ll even add to it:
Brian Sipe
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by notthatnoise on Apr 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we would have gotten overall better value with Clausen in the first and Chad Jones/Morgan Burnett in the second.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Apr 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
(I agree)
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by TheRealSlimShady on Apr 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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