Caplan: Browns Sign C Eric Ghiaciuc as Mack's Backup
by Chris Pokorny on Apr 8, 2010 9:22 AM EDT
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PrintAccording to Scout.com's Adam Caplan via his Twitter feed, the Cleveland Browns have signed former Bengals center Eric Ghiaciuc. Caplan's tweet states that Ghiaciuc will "back up Alex Mack." However, I would not guarantee that as meaning that Ghiaciuc will make the team -- after all, pretty much any center we sign would be a backup to Mack.
Ghiaciuc was originally selected by the Bengals in the fourth round of the 2005 draft. He certainly has some experience under his belt -- he started in 42 of the 48 games he played in with the Bengals from 2005-2008. Ghiaciuc spent some time off and on with the Chiefs and the Chargers last season but didn't see in-game action.
The Bengals weren't disappointed to see Ghiaciuc leave after the 2008 season. Over at Cincy Jungle, they believe that the change at the center position in 2009 improved their offensive line tremendously. In addition, for what its worth, Rotoworld states that "Ghiaciuc has been among the least effective offensive linemen in the league the past few seasons."
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Or could we be moving Alex Mack to the much maligned defensive tackle position?
by gahnki on Apr 8, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you’ve been talking with moon too much
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
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by danvail on Apr 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would rather pick up a better player that can do guard or center, but this atleast gives us somebody that has experience on the bench in the case of emergencies.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
Training camp fodder.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 8, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
Ghiaciuc, who affectionatly call Guy-suck, couldn't block me and I am 61 yrs old.
Those things on his chest aren’t tatoos. They are cleat marks. Shawn Rogers gave him as few of them. As a Bengals fan I have no problem with this move. As Browns fans you should be hoping big time that Mack doesn’t break an ankle or your QB will be on crutches just like Palmer was. Take it from a fan who knows.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
You may not believr this but.................
I don’t want to see Mack injured either.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
You are not. He got dominated consistently, especially at guard. He was adequate against smaller defenders.
/moonheresy
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
He definitely was not a good guard. His big asset throughout his career was superior technique, which works excellently at the center spot. Unfortunately, guards rely raw strength more than centers in the NFL.
Landing at St. Louis was a good spot for him. They run a zone-blocking scheme in the run game and it will compensate for his lack of strength.
big asset
Are you moon?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Apr 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m right there with you. Fraley was “meh” at best.
As for the signing we added someone with 45+ starts for I assume cheap. I count this as a win.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah. even if he is rated badly, I can’t imagine Fraley is that much higher…plus Fraley isn’t going to get much better (and seems to be getting worse with age). basically we traded one “meh” center for another “meh” center that was 5 years younger…overall, I feel “meh”.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I’m with you on this boat Dorn.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 8, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool. I feel like I had seen a lot of hand-wringing over releasing Fraley and it probably is near the bottom of my concerns about the Browns.
If I was wringing my hands over getting rid of an O-Lineman it would be Hadnot. he started 21 games for us the past 2 years and I thought he was solid as a starter…on the other hand, I might have not have payed him 9 million over 3 years like he got from arizona.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Hank Fraley anchored the Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line, the very Eagles that were in regular Super Bowl contention, the very Eagles whom you´re so keen to say we got their GM. Hank Fraley was good enough at guard so we could start Alex Mack at center. He was good enough at guard that Rex Hadnot was expendable. He was good enough at guard that Eric Steinbach could be portrayed as less than adequate at guard. He was good enough at guard to wing a trade with the St. Louis Rams, predicating that they´re at least not needy at the position, and can shop other positions in the draft. He was good enough to make trading the similarly maligned Richie Incognito feasible.
Personally I think he can beat anyone on the Browns lines. Why do you always short change people that come in heart and soul? I know it´s a tradition that no one that leaves the Browns may excel elsewhere, but we´re wise to it now, so why keep doing it? Demonstrated bad character is self affirming to allow yourself to do more bastardly deeds. How do you expect this team to turn the corner with that type of attitude. Are you expecting a king, since you´re acting like a mob?
Demonstrated bad character is self affirming to allow yourself to do more bastardly deeds.
Fraley aside, “bastardly deeds” is a ray of brilliance.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing. Though I’m guessing he’s confused the phrase “dastardly deeds.”
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Mooncamping’s reconstitution of the English language using things like this completely effective pseudospoonerism is one of his charms.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fraley was a good guy, a solid veteran, and a good technician. Physically he’s always been marginal-to-passable, and he isn’t going to get any younger. I wish him luck, but we can do better.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
He´s physically marginal to passable because you´re a fair weather fan, who likes it when people get keeled in the weight room.
Um, what? Aren’t you the grown man who has switched favorite teams at least twice? And I’m fair weather? Thanks for attacking me personally, though. It is awesome how you always manage to get away with those personal attacks because people are laughing at your ridiculousness.
What about a weight room?
Fraley just isn’t a great athlete. He’s been able to succeed in the NFL despite that fact, which is a testament to his work ethic, technique, and skill. But now that he’s getting older, his athleticism is declining further and he just isn’t going to be able to be effective much longer.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think I had some involuntary association there, at your expense. I apologize.
I hate it when the weight-room dunces start over the talented ones.
Not your fault.
I really do think you have to be both physically gifted and smart to play for Mangini. It isn’t an either/or proposition.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, judging by last year´s draft that did seem to be the proposition by the fans, as witnessed in the drafting of the guy with the Draddy trophy.
Good thing you said it, that kind of whittles it down in terms of the draft, if they have to prove they´re smart.
So it´s academically proven smart guys, who take a lot of damage in the weight room?
C’mpm mooncamping, fair weather fan is a ridiculous accusation from you.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
“Who’s my special guy? Who’s my special guy? THERE HE IS!”
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
by danvail on Apr 10, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hilarious.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Apr 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
How was that insulting?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Mr. Dorn. He is a prototype guard for mooncamping. Whether he´s ideal in action, I can´t prove. But he is prototype for mooncamping.
The more you use third person, the more I’m going to associate you with that song I made and the little red puppet that goes along with the real song. La la la la……
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 16, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tmqpncAtpE
2:10 in…
and also i found this and it made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tmqpncAtpE
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Fraley is a scrapper and a leader. Wish he was more physically gifted. But players like him tend to get a lil overrated.
by realmccoy on Apr 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comment posted at PFT:
by the way Ghiaciuc was part of that ill-fated 2005 draft class that included David Pollack (neck, retired), Odell Thurman (stupid, retired), Chris Henry (dead), his CMU teammate Adam Kieft (injury settlement), and Tab Perry (currently rockin the UFL). Only Jonathan Fanene remains… and given that track record he’d better watch himself. Welcome to the land of the cursed, brownies!
I had no idea Phil Savage was with the Bengals in ’05. The dude gets around!
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
chronic stupidity can lead you down a dangerous road. Just ask
Dwayne Rudd
Travis Henry
Pacman Jones
Maurice Clarett
Stupidity led to 3 of these players being out of the NFL in fact.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I didn’t know that…I still think it is highly unlikely he plays a down in the NFL again. He hasn’t played football for 7 years now (January 2003). unless you count working out for scouts and a couple days of TC.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
He’s only 26. Who knows what shape he’s in, but he talked a lot on his prison blog about working out and getting back into football shape. I’d be surprised if he didn’t get a look from a at least one team.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
That was actually a very impressive blog. Although, the knock on MoC was never intelligence, just character.
He hasn’t played in 7 years…yes who knows what shape he is in. that is the question. my question is, is he going to remember how to play football?
he will probably get a look from a team, but I would put money on him not making a final roster
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I heard that he played in one of those “Longest Yard” penal leagues and just tore it up. Played offense and defense – and didn’t take a deal from the warden. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him lead the NFL in rushing someday.
by realmccoy on Apr 9, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Last I saw of Clarett, which was the news report of the incident
He was pushing close to 300 lbs. Unless he’s been working out like crazy in the joint, I doubt he’s in football shape.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Which may seem like a lot, but you have to remember that Clarett’s playing weight was in the 240-250 range.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No. His playing weight at OSU was about 220-230. His official weight I have seen at 230. He showed up at Denver camp at 248 (pushing 250) and was considered out of shape.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
He looked better at his parole hearing than he has in years. The dude appears to be ripped.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Apr 10, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
4 to 6 months would make him available to teams as early as July or as late as September.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
UFL teams, maybe.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’ll help us get Troy Smith.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
by Villeslgr on Apr 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I forgot you guys hate subject lines here. But the commenter at PFT got Chris Henry’s college wrong. Chris Henry attended West Virginia, not Central Michigan. And Adam Kieft was not his teammate. Pacman Jones was, though.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It would seem to me, that you feel threatened by the Eric Ghiaciuc acquisition. Could it be that you´ve shined Alex Mack up so much, that his every move is subject to immense scrutiny. He´s shined up so much we could now play in the dark, Rudolph the Rednose has nothing on him.
Maybe you´re secretly angry, because you had to realize Hank Fraley is pretty darn good at guard. Eric Ghiciuc is the exact same type, proportioned to be a great pulling guard, who is good enough to succeed at center, apparently even excell in what ever set-up they had.
Due to your propensity to discuss, define and ascertain how good someone may be based on your bank roll and relations to scouts and sports writers, you will see yourselves incapable of moving him or Mack to guard, even if they´re world beaters, exactly the type of odds you like on players.
OT Joe Thomas
OG Hank Fraley
C Eric Steinbach
OG draft pick
OT draft pick
and:
NG Alex Mack
…and I would say you would have been in automatic contention for next year´s division championship. Your shadow does not know what you are doing, in fact I think it´s taking a nap.
where is the kinder, gentler, more decipherable moon that seems to have been around the past few months?
I’m telling you, multiple people.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 9, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe there was a recent maintenance release of the Mooncamping firmware. If you believe there to be a bug in this version, please inform technical support. Thanks!
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
QB Joe Thomas
RB Eric Wright
FB Bowens
FB Hillis
OT Moore
OG Steptoe
C St. Clair
OG Murray
OT Pashos
WR1 Stuckey
WR2 Ventrone
TE Draft Pick
DE Watson
NT Dawson
DE Cribbs
OLB Koleman
ILB Costanzo
ILB Elam
OLB Wallace
CB1 Stuckey (ironman)
CB1 Steinbach
FS Massaquoi
SS Vickers
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
by danvail on Apr 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
QB Joe Thomas
RB Joe Thomas
FB Joe Thomas
FB Joe Thomas
OT Joe Thomas
OG Joe Thomas
C Joe Thomas
OG Joe Thomas
OT Joe Thomas
WR1 Joe Thomas
WR2 Joe Thomas
TE Joe Thomas
DE Joe Thomas
NT Joe Thomas
DE Joe Thomas
OLB Joe Thomas
ILB Joe Thomas
ILB Joe Thomas
OLB Joe Thomas
CB1 Joe Thomas
CB1 Joe Thomas
FS Joe Thomas
SS Joe Thomas
P Joe Thomas
K Joe Thomas
KR Josh Cribbs
Joe Thomas will allow Cribbs to remain on the team and continue returning kicks so he has someone to talk to during timeouts.
by Dawg Nuts on Apr 9, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Joe Thomas is perfectly capable of having an intelligent conversation with himself.
by Roger Dorn on Apr 9, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don´t worry, it still counts as humor if only you are laughing.
by mooncamping on Apr 10, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Moon I think you are the only one not laughing.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 16, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Another Bengals fan here to comment on this signing.
There’s a reason why we call Ghiaciuc the Reverse Pancake Machine. Face facts, Palmer hasn’t been the same QB since Ghiaciuc allowed him to get sacked so many times leading to his broken nose and his elbow injury. On every play Ghiaciuc was in for us, he was pushed back at least five feet behind the LOS in the rare event that he wasn’t laying down on his back. Trust me, you guys better hope Mack doesn’t get hurt, because if so, it could be a long year for whoever is under center
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
You know, I don’t go running around on the Bengals board stating the obvious, please refrain from doing so here. We don’t want our starter getting hurt? WHA?
You know, you better hope Palmer doesn’t get hurt. Your backup QB is not as good. Also, if he were to get hurt, it might scar him permanently and make him a shadow of his former self. Oh, wait…
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
Maybe not you. But others from this board have(TRSS/BQIB comes to mind) Also, I have to deal with Browns and Stoolers fans on a daily basis in the real world, and most of them are obnoxious. I really didn’t expect any different here(though I have to say even though you(not specifically) blow up at everything I’ve posted here, you guys are a little cooler than most Browns fans I know IRL). Every time I’ve attempted football discussion here(even just to talk about the Browns, since I keep a lot of my friends posted on them), I get flamed(again, usually TRSS/BQIB, but there have been others), with the exception being when I came to root for you guys against the Stoolers.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I don’t care about the dumb Browns fans in your daily life. No need to come over here to state the obvious as though we don’t know. The article above literally cites someone who says the player in question was among the least effective OL over the past couple of years.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Also, I have to deal with Browns and Stoolers fans on a daily basis in the real world, and most of them are obnoxious.
Honestly, nothing against you because you seem like a very decent guy, but the most obnoxious AFC North Fans I have run across are often Bengals fans. Steelers fans may dislike the browns but they do have a respect for us and want us to do well so it is a real rivalry again. i have never gotten that vibe from the several Bengals fans I have known and met.
Most people here do not hate though except if you are straight trolling. that is why I enjoy talking to rival fans on here. they are more intelligent often than real life fans.
And like others have said, TRSS/BQIB was a ND fan. in fact, last I checked he is now a broncos fan b/c BQ was traded there.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
but the most obnoxious AFC North Fans I have run across are often Bengals fans.
Then you must know ZERO Steeler fans.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
maybe I know the more respectful steelers fans and the wrong bengals fans…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
This is exactly the problem with what all of you are doing, which is lumping teams fans together as though there weren’t idiots/disrespectful obnoxious people AND intelligent/great people that are fans of every NFL team.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I frankly feel perfectly fine lumping all fans together and saying I hate the Steelers and Ravens fanbases. The few exceptions don’t make up for all the other morons.
Half the fan of being a sports fan is creating relatively harmless stereotypes about rival fanbases in support of camaraderie with fellow fans.
Steelers fans are toothless hill people
Bengals fans are new to the NFL
Ravens fans are soulless heathens who deserve to be swallowed into an eternal pit of purple fire
These are just simple, self-evident truths.
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
by danvail on Apr 12, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
THIS
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 16, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Steelers fans are BY FAR the worst. It’s not even close.
by Buckeye Brad on Apr 11, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. The older ravens fans are maybe the most respectful AFC north teams to us. I dislike them on pure principle but many dislike how they got the team…because they also got their team stolen.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I wish I’d met some of these old Ravens fans, because the ones I have met have mostly been asshats.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes. from what I have seen, many of the younger ones are asshats and I have seen a few. but the fans I have met and talked to at some point that were around when the colts were stolen in the middle of the night are actually some of the most understanding AFC north fans.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
That is because Raven fans are asshats.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 11, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Occam’s razor in action, perhaps.
That's just noise.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Apr 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not knowing what occam’s razor was, i looked it up on the internet; i now have a splitting headache. thanks RDC.
The simplest explanation is usually right. That’s about it — nothing to lose your mind about.
by Western Reserve on Apr 12, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate this comment and line of thinking more than anything.
FLAG.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 11, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I know more respectful steelers fans. I am only speaking from experience.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I’ve only met enough to count on one hand, and I live smack dab in the middle of the yinzers.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Apr 16, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Then stop listening to BQIB.
He is a Broncos fan now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his comment was fine. Just information on Ghiaciuc (pronunciation guide please). Sure, someone else came in and said it already but he wasn’t to know that.
Sure, someone else came in and said it already but he wasn’t to know that.
you should always read the other comments before posting your own novel.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You think I don’t know what happens when CP9 goes down? I’ve only seen it 3 times already in his career. and two of those times were a result of Ghiaciuc being put on his ass. Why do you think we’ve talked about looking for a backup QB either through the draft or FA over at CJ even last season before it started. Because I know Palmer isn’t the same.
I used to feel somewhat sympathetic to your fanbase, seeing as we’ve both seen our share of bad years, and our mutual hatred for the Stoolers. It’s responses like the one you just gave me that make me less sympathetic to your fanbase. You try to dig at me by posting a dig at my QB which is almost exactly WHAT I JUST SAID about my QB. I’m not wishing injury on Mack by any means, I’m just giving you a fair warning on what to expect from Ghiaciuc. I’ve seen it and it killed our franchise QB.
In all honesty, I wouldn’t be shocked if Ghiaciuc is not on your 53-man roster. Since he’s left Cincy, he’s bounced around to a few other teams and not caught on anywhere.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
Reply fail…meant as a reply to danvail’s reply to my post.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 10, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to be malicious but,
You try to dig at me by posting a dig at my QB which is almost exactly WHAT I JUST SAID about my QB. I’m not wishing injury on Mack by any means, I’m just giving you a fair warning on what to expect from Ghiaciuc. I’ve seen it and it killed our franchise QB.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Danvail was trying to point out to you the stupidity of stating something that obvious. Clearly, you view such a statement as stupid as well.
I think we would all be shocked if Ghiaciuc did make our final roster.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
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