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I'm a Cleveland fan living down in Tennessee (by virtue of my dad and his family who all hail from Cleveland). Now I'm aware of the Browns history, the moving of the team to Baltimore and all that that move entailed. I'm just curious how the Browns community, in and outside of Cleveland, feels about the Browns post-1999. On fan sites all over the internet I keep seeing readers refer to the Browns as" Browns in name only" or referred to derisively as the "new" Browns. Even though the city sued to keep the team's history, colors, championships, names etc. tied to Cleveland its seems some people still are having a hard time embracing the team as what it was before 1995. Maybe I'm just focusing too much on a vocal minority, but I was wondering if anyone else has noticed these sentiments, specifically in the city of Cleveland. I understand the resentment fans must harbor against the Modell organization, but in the history books he only took a collection of players from Cleveland, not the team. Legally its like the team just took a three year hiatus (right? Correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe people are resentful because those players weened in Cleveland went on to win the superbowl in 2000 for the Ravens. Still that shouldn't negatively affect peoples' perceptions of the Browns today, should it? Then again maybe there is the nostalgia factor of Paul Brown, the Jim Brown era, and the Kardicac Kids being blown up with the old Muni and replaced with a shiny new stadium with an emphasis on box club seating, the Dawg Pound having corporate sponsors and the blue collar fans largely being over charged to the point where the soul of the crowd has been sold to the highest bidder...but I digress...

Thoughts? Opinions?

Like I said I live in Tennessee, and having only noticed these sentiments via the internet, I'm not claiming to have my finger on the pulse on the average Cleveland fans. I'd just like to see what everyone else has to say...

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Yeah, see. I don’t understand how a few players that were shipped to Baltimore constitute the Browns. If we kept the TD, name, and colors how are we any different? Players come and go, they don’t make a damn team a franchise. We are and have always been the damn Browns. Players helmets get painted over with new colors ALL THE TIME. They were the Browns, then they moved and became the Ravens. The PLAYERS did, not the whole damn franchise. We aren’t like the Texans. Hell, Cleveland’s original team plays in St. Louis. Yep, we were the Cleveland Rams; which moved to L.A., then St. Louis. Don’t listen to all those other hacks. These sites you’re refering to are Cleveland.com or equivalents. They don’t know what the hell they are talking about and you should try to limit your actual learning knowledge to us.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 18, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

seconded, most people try an say something about this when they have ran out of ammunition while debating/arguing football. If thats the case the Ravens are the “new” Colts, lol.

by BrutalMovement on May 18, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Browns are the Browns to me, but I can understand why people would refer to them as “the new Browns”. The-asshole-who-shall-not-be-named didn’t just move a collection of players to a new city, as you put it; he moved a group of players groomed as Browns and an organizational structure (despite the coaching changes) from the Browns franchise to the “new” franchise in Baltimore.

Also, it’s a bit dismissive to just say that the Browns went on hiatus for a few years. When they returned, the NFL did our city no favors in getting the new franchise off the ground. For a better understanding of it, I recommend you read Terry Pluto’s “False Start”.

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by rolub on May 18, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

What makes me upset about the whole thing, is when they call the Ravens Browns game the Old Browns Vs the New Browns. The word browns needs to come off the ravens team. There is no history about browns in thier books. it is just the Ravens.

by holmes213 on May 19, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s painful reading the reviews of that book on Amazon; you see fans complaining about the state of the franchise in 2004, knowing that they will face (have faced) six more years of mismanagement and pain. This is the most compelling argument for a time machine that I’ve read in the last twenty minutes.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec that.

I admit to being so disenchanted by the theft of the team that I quit the entire NFL for years, and yes, things change, the original Dawg Pound is gone, and so on. But Cleveland is the Browns, and even when the legacy sleeps and the fan culture awaits rebirth, those things can only happen in Cleveland.

It has been a long hard slog, though. I can see how some people just gave up and decided this team wasn’t even really their team any more. Sour grapes, or maybe, those aren’t even really grapes up there, right?

That's just noise.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I think they should rename themselves “Lake Erie Dawgs” to appeal to a bigger fan base, build a highrise team headquarters on the lake, keep the nice old brown jerseys with maybe red instead of orange to signify a change. And lay off the inferences of Browns players as if Browns was a family name. New Browns is right, they´re shopping skill type players from across the nation.

by mooncamping on May 19, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

One things for sure though, if you have any design sensibilities at all, they need a logo. And that would be a dawg all the way right? I mean on the helmet, not just merchandise.

by mooncamping on May 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

no. no logo. ever.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 19, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by danvail on May 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemer.

That's just noise.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 19, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naomi Klein disagrees with you.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on May 19, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well shes an idiot who lacks even elementary understanding of basic economics or philosophy.

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on May 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a big fan either. If she was fat and ugly instead of thin and cute, she’d sell, like, three books.

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by golanbatrac on May 19, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is quite good looking.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah…

she is basically Noam Chomsky without the PHD and the degree…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even close.

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by golanbatrac on May 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehh…similar views. I meant to say instead of degree, intelligence (she is intelligent though not as much as chomsky). both have fairly radical views too which are somewhat similar.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 20, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is nowhere near as intelligent or angry as Noam Chomsky.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I meant to say not as intelligent as Chomsky. yeah…he is also angrier…true.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I read your addendum after I posted.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no problem…it happens.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 21, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know who this lady is, but from what I’ve seen economics doesn’t even have an elementary understanding of basic economics, and philosophy isn’t 100% certain what an elementary understanding of philosophy is.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

people pretend that economics is a total crapshoot, but the Austrian school both accounts for past events and has a record of predicting future events that is unparalleled. And you seem to be inadvertently espousing some kind of solipsism or existentialism – philosophy. But, you might not understand it. Thus, you might not understand philosophy.

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on May 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand philosophy just fine, thank you. I have taken PhD/Masters level courses.

And more to the point, I was joking.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah…and I found it particularly funny. I don’t know a ton about philosophy but even with the best economists, it is nowhere near an exact science.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it funny.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on May 29, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, my bad. I was just making a joke off the No Logo thing. I haven’t even read her book nor do i care to. Nothing to see here.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on May 20, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a solid comment.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’d say most of us are probably happy with things the way they are. a big part of our draw is the simplicity of our uniform and the history of “Browns.” we sued for the name and colors, why would be abandon them now?

by Dawg Nuts on May 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by danvail on May 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

With just a rudimentary knowledge of popular psychology, I´d say I hit paydirt. You want a Dawg on the helmet and the sleeves.

by mooncamping on May 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for unique vision.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on May 20, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec self, for dropping the Plymouth Rock of Corporate Identity into Lake Erie.

by mooncamping on May 21, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

“The new Browns” is just a term of embitterment used by people trying to express frustration with the Browns. It’s largely an expression of the sentiment, “If that ***hole hadn’t screwed us over, we would never have been in such a terrible condition.”

Once the team starts winning, it will be forgotten by all but the most embittered of Clevelanders, and announcers. They’ll never drop that s**t. Because announcers are stupid, uncreative, and need things to say just for the sake of filling air time.

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by danvail on May 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

We should never get a logo, but I do wish they’d use Brownie the Elf on some merch more often. He’s badasssss.

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by Adrock2099 on May 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

This was supposed to be a reply :(

"Quote goes here."

by Adrock2099 on May 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

support for Brownie the Elf can go anywere

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on May 20, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

uck FArt Modell

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on May 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know about this “new Browns” thing, but since 1964, I get pissed when they lose.

by JamesPowell on May 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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