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Around the Pound (5/2): Special Minicamp Round-Up Edition

When was the last time we had an edition of Around the Pound? It's been too long, but it's back today for a special super-sized edition that is focused on all the news and nuggets on the Cleveland Browns rookie minicamp this weekend and the team's draft selections.

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We're Not the Only Ones Who Look at YouTube

On the Secondary: In Terry Pluto's Sunday column, in order to learn about safety T.J. Ward, he did some research and watched some YouTube videos. Pluto probably saw some of the same videos we did on Ward, where he would launch his body full-force into his opponents to make crushing tackles. Pluto states that the reason teams didn't have Ward higher on their draft boards is because they are concerned with his injury history.

Star-divide

With the Browns taking a second safety (Larry Asante) in the draft who is known more so for tackling than coverage, Pluto believes the Browns we'll see a lot of rotation in the secondary...

[The situation] makes me think Michael Adams or even newcomer Sheldon Brown will see some time at safety -- or at least covering slot receivers.

On the Running Backs: Pluto received some quotes from a pro scout on RB Montario Hardesty:

"He has an excellent spin move to break open. I like his vision, he picks holes well. He falls forward when tackled. He is very underrated as a receiver, does a good job in that area. I also think he's a decent blocker. I like how he fights for every yard, and he's a good kid. Like with Ward, if he stays healthy, he'll be a good player."

Still, was it worth trading up to acquire Hardesty? Pluto cites that the Patriots were reported as being interested in the Tennessee running back. If you can say one thing about the Browns' draft, it is that they got the guys they wanted, without sacrificing anything in next year's draft.

For more on the rookies, including the wonderful character of Joe Haden and the accuracy of QB Colt McCoy, check out the rest of Pluto's column.

Setting the Stage

In total, there were 53 players at rookie minicamp, broken down like this:

  • 8 draft picks
  • 10 undrafted free agents
  • 35 tryout players

Steve Doerschuk of the Canon Repository has a full list of the players that attended here. What I found interesting is that WR Dion Morton of Colorado State is 5-8 and weighs just 160 pounds. I don't consider that to be skinny, but he would definitely be an outlier as an NFL player. Grossi highlighted some of the local players trying out for the Browns:

Among the players trying out are local products Andre Evans, defensive back from Glenville and Eastern Kentucky, defensive back Bradley Jones of Canton McKinley and Cincinnati, receiver Robby Parris of St. Ignatius and Notre Dame, and defensive back Royce Adams of Glenville and Purdue.

Ouch! Punter Takes a Shot

Imagine you are tryout punter Jonathan Thoma. You know that you might be doing some drills at rookie minicamp, but nothing too extravagant beyond punting the football. The last thing you'd hope for is to be bowled over by a 6-7, 300 pound "monster." 

Thoma, of Ohio State, held a blocking pad in the drill and Clifford Geathers was supposed to hit it and maneuver past, but he just pancaked him.

"You appreciate his size and explosion," coach Eric Mangini said, "but not against guys 130 pounds [Thoma is listed at 200]. It's like turning a battleship. Once his momentum gets going, it's hard to move. So he's got to be conscious of the smaller kids on the playground."

Yes, seriously, take it a little easy on the punter not expecting to be flattened.

Brett Ratliff, and Shifting Positions for Rogers & Luavao

Head coach Eric Mangini stated that depending on the legal proceedings with DL Shaun Rogers, the team will explore playing him at both of the end positions. Regarding rookie guard Shawn Luavao, the team will give him some work at both guard positions, center, and long snapper. In other words, they want him to be as versatile as possible.

Mangini also stated that just because the Browns have three new quarterbacks doesn't mean that Brett Ratliff's time with the team is over.

"I'm not opposed to carrying four quarterbacks and Mike's not opposed to that, Tom [Heckert] is not opposed to that so I think he's got a great opportunity," Mangini said. "He really did a good job in my time in New York with him.

"I think there are definitely some things he could've done better last year that he and I have talked about. It's important for him to come out and show that he's still improving, but that's my anticipation is that he will. We will just see how it falls after that."

Rex Ryan on Rob Ryan: He Wanted CB Kyle Wilson

New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan didn't name names, but as the Plain Dealer points out, it seems pretty clear that he was referring to Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan when praising CB Kyle Wilson:

Ryan didn't use Rob's name, but said, "There is somebody that I really know well for a long time that basically said that he was their guy and they picked a lot earlier than us. You can probably figure it out. That's who he wanted and then after practice, I'm like 'Yep. I guarantee you were right because this guy is the real deal."

Wilson ended up falling to the Jets at No. 29 overall, and Rex is already gushing over how Wilson will be a great player and be the team's starting nickelback.

Joe Thomas Part of a JaMarcus Russell Gag

From an ESPN article:

I’m on the record saying the Raiders should move on from the Russell era. However, I am impressed with how Russell handled himself on the field and with the media Friday. He tried hard to perform well and then he kept a positive attitude when talking about his situation.

The same can’t be said for Oakland employee Eddie Anderson, a former player. One of his chief duties is to hang with Russell. He stood by Russell’s side during his interview session. You'd think Oakland had just traded for Joe Thomas. I’ve never seen Russell get this much protection.

Only one problem: Joe Thomas doesn't need protection, everyone else does.

Off-Beat Notes

  • So much to talk about in off-beat stuff since last time's Around the Pound, so I'll jump right in with some more Ghostbusters 3 discussion. Once again, the holdup seems to be actor Bill Murray, who is calling it "just kind of a dreamy thing" regarding the thought of another movie. Ugh. Has a movie ever been in development hell like Ghostbusters 3 has been? You know what, maybe I should just stop talking about the movie unless there are reports that all of the actors have physically signed on the dotted line for being involved in the movie.
  • 425 I've continued loving the final season of LOST, and the excitement toward the end of the season has certainly been the crossovers that have started occurring with the Flashsideways storylines. You had to know that Desmond would be the catalyst in getting things going. There is no room for filler with just five hours of original programming left. I'm excited but bummed at the same time, since I also know that 24 (the TV series) will be coming to an end as well.
  • The studio has announced a July 20, 2012 release date for Batman 3. We should have an NBA Championship and a Super Bowl or two under our belts by then, right? That should be a big period for the movie industry, with The Avengers (May 4), Battleship (May 25), Star Trek 2 (June 29), and what will likely be the Bat's biggest competition: the Spider-Man reboot's reboot (July 3) also hitting the screen in 2012.
  • The ratings of FOX's American Idol continue to take a tumble, and an overall group that is less talented than the past few years, the other judges constantly interrupting Simon Cowell, and the bizarre behavior that has consumed host Ryan Seacrest, who can blame viewers? At least Glee, which now airs after Idol, has been posting series-best numbers since its return and has continued receiving critical acclaim.
  • The Office's Michael Scott, played by Steve Carrell, says he doesn't imagine being back after his contract runs out next year. That would be a huge loss for the series, but right now I'd pen it as an early contract negotiation ploy.
  • Speaking of Carrell, him and all of the other actors involved in Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy  had agreed to take pay cuts to return for a sequel. Awesome, right? Not so, as the producers and Paramount could not agree on a budget for the film. Therefore, as of now, it is dead. Boooo.

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Christina Applegate is worth the watch.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s what it looks like to me. That was the auto-inserted caption from the Associated Press.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on May 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The picture could seriously be a front cover of a B grade gangster movie DVD (Would’ve been A grade had Ryan not cut his hair).

by skipkirk on May 3, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness, do we have the fattest front office combo in the NFL? (Mangini, Heckert and Holmgren)

by Bernie19Kosar on May 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about KC with RAC and Charlie reunited? That is some beef.

by realmccoy on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re coaches.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on May 3, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically mangini is a coach too. still, we have the biggest coaching staff and front office.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are coaches. still, our coaching staff may be bigger.

Rob Ryan=Romeo

Weis>>Mangini

Daboll<<Todd Haley (who is skinny)

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big news here is Rob Ryan’s haircut.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on May 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I miss his hair already

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 3, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have a nice draft on the defensive side, then we go and cut off our Mojo.

Rob: WHY?

Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!

by LondonBrown on May 3, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

nnnnnnnnoooooooo!!!!!!
chubby zeus cut his locks!

by sleepy042 on May 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guys – Just FYI… You guys have the 11th oldest projected starting OL in the NFL…

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/5/2/1454582/age-and-the-ol-why-the-2010

by JimmyK on May 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting article there, thanks.

Our offensive line has a lot of years because of Womack and Pashos on the right side. If you substitute one of them for a guy like Luavao, we’d move down to about the 20th oldest projected OL in the NFL.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on May 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, our two best lineman are quite young.

by Roger Dorn on May 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That just means our guys are wise.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is wrong because Joe Thomas is ageless. Therefore an average cannot be made and all those who disagree will be pancaked.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He had a T-rex as a pet.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE CUT THE LOCKS!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

…He is like Rex’s twin.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

That sucks his hair made him look more intense. Especially when he was yelling and his looks were falling every which way.

by The naome40 on May 2, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed. It’s a sad day for Browns fans everywhere.
Here’s a tear shed for one of my favorite Brownies
:’(

R.I.P. Rob’s Hair, we hardly know ye.
You will be missed.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is beautiful. i can’t look away.

by Dawg Nuts on May 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

This literally is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen.

This photo must be brought up periodically.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news, Rotoworld has the worst writer known to professional sports.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also, in more other news, Cooley is going to have to fight for his starting spot this season (stupid I know)

Do we make a trade? I know he’s previously said he’d hate to end up in Cleveland, but would he be so opposed if it meant a starting spot?

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh I don’t like hearing that the coaching staff might have preferred Kyle Wilson… Lets hope Haden turns out to be the better all around player…

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Um, he better if he was picked at 7.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason Haden was picked over Wilson was because he played in the SEC. If Wilson played in a bigger conference then I think he would have been the top CB taken

by The Licensed Pessimist on May 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t trash the WAC.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The argument could be made that if he played in a better conference, he would not be so highly thought of.

by gahnki on May 2, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

right. It may not necessarily be true, but we’ll never know, because Wilson never faced the level of competition Haden did.

That said, I can’t believe Kareem Jackson got drafted ahead of Wilson.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were a LOT more reasons that Haden was drafted before wilson. wilson was the better cover corner but Haden is a much better tackler and can hold up well against the run.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 2, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson was about equal in man, maybe a small bit better. Haden is better in zone.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. I agree, but wilson is also not a great tackler or great against the run. these things might not be essential, but it is good to have at least 1 CB who can play the run. Haden is the kind of guy in the draft that does many things well, including play the run.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

This burito is good…but filling…

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Not the most flattering picture of Rob Ryan.

by gahnki on May 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

there are no flattering pictures of rob ryan

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t this be, “there are only flattering pictures of Rob Ryan.”

by Chief WaDrew on May 2, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. That is the only way to answer that.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty funny, I had really long hair up til yesterday too, when it’s 80 inside it’s too hot for long hair.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on May 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Rate this on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being Joe Thomas and 1 being Art Modell.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brady Quinn didn’t move your franchise.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but he did go to ND

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on May 2, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also wasted us two firsts and a second.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 2, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was really only one first and one second.

Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle

by danvail on May 3, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true. It was two (2) first round picks and a second.
We wasted:
The 2007 1st round pick used to take Quinn
The 2008 1st round pick used to get that pick
The 2nd round pick also used to get that pick

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

False. We had the 2008 1st rounder and the 2007 first rounder. We traded those for the additional 2007 first rounder. We used that on Quinn.

2007 2nd + 2008 first = 2007 first = Quinn

Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle

by danvail on May 3, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, that’s a lot.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true but to say 2007 2nd + 2008 first +207 first = quinn is just bad math.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree. This doesn’t account for the fact that we wasted the 2007 pick on Quinn. I think that must be counted as a loss, especially when you consider we passed up on other possibilities. What I mean to say is, for Quinn, we gave up those 2 picks, and a possibly good player that could have been picked instead of Quinn, i.e. Brandon Meriweather or Jon Beason. I understand we wouldn’t have traded up for either of those guys, but the pick could still COULD have been used on a potentially good player.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we wasted the pick — which cost us our ‘07 2nd and ’08 first, so that’s all Quinn cost to us. So you have to count either one — the pick we drafted Quinn with OR the two picks we traded for that pick. You can’t count them all because that’s double counting them.

by Buckeye Brad on May 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bross is dropping BOMBS and taking no prisoners.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know I was totally wrong here, I made the mistake that at least 2 other people here made too.

But c’mon now… “Hopefully isn’t doing my taxes” is sufficient enough to warrant: “dropping BOMBS and taking no prisoners” ? Really?

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no problem with the “taxes” comment itself. It applied well to the situation, and he’s dead right, I would screw up his taxes using the same faulty logic.

But more amusing is your reaction to said comment. You seem utterly taken by it.
As a frame of reference, the last time I remember reading “dropping BOMBS and taking no prisoners” was a response to a hilarious Mooncamping comment which received like 18+ recs.

Rec, for grasping at straws.

by Simmsinns on May 4, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t see it either…

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on May 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hm…I thought TRSS was being sarcastic or joking. Maybe I’m wrong.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 4, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just doing it to quote the mooncamping one. I thought bross’ comment was funny, but not moon-funny. Your overreaction was moon-funny though.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, interesting, because here I thought your overreaction to the comment was funny. But, it was actually my overreaction to your overreaction to the comment, that was funny, in fact.

Well played.

Here, let me try that:
What is really the thing that is moon-funny is your overreaction to my overreaction to your overreaction to the original comment.

by Simmsinns on May 4, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 5, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we wasted the pick — which cost us our ‘07 2nd and ’08 first

Yup, that right there is three picks.

Not counting the actual pick used to take Quinn is like pretending Joe Haden didn’t cost the 7th overall.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

counting both the pick used to take quinn, and the picks we gave up to get that pick is like doing your taxes and counting a car, and the money you payed for the car, both as assets.

in accounting, double counting usually leads to fraud. double counting in real life is also in a way, a fraudulent argument.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn’t start out with 2 picks in the first round. If you don’t understand this, you should repeat middle school.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. You can’t waste something you never had in the first place.

by Buckeye Brad on May 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not counting the actual pick used to take Quinn is like pretending Joe Haden didn’t cost the 7th overall.

Not true at all.

Once again, we traded two picks to take Quinn with that pick, so you can count either the pick we used to take him or the picks we traded for that pick. You can’t count all three of them, because we never had all three at the same time. We got something for those two picks — the pick used to get Quinn. And we used that pick to get Quinn, which was a seperate transaction.

The way you’re looking at it is like saying that you bought a diamond for $10,000 and, after you found out it was fake and worth nothing, saying that you lost $20,000 — $10,000 in cash and $10,000 worth of goods that you could have traded the diamond for. But you didn’t lost $20,000, you only lost $10,000. You can’t double-count the $10,000, just like you can’t double-count the picks in the trade.

by Buckeye Brad on May 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, in economics, the scenario with diamonds actually works. in basic economics, that would be a loss of 10,000 plus the Opportunity cost of the 10,000 dollars worth of goods you could have bought. but in accounting (which is much more about concrete numbers and less abstract theories) it would still be 10,000.

A better example is buying the ring and as assets, marking down the ring as 10,000 and then marking down the 10,000 dollars you used to buy the ring.

the theory behind this though is completely fraudulent counting.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe some are perceiving them as two separate transactions with the outcome of both being Quinn. I still think that Quinn in the terms that are being applied here would have only cost us the pick we used on him.

Obviously we know the purpose of trading the two picks was to move up in order to pick Quinn, but in reality, the two picks did not give us Quinn they gave us the opportunity to take Quinn.

A problem i see with your last example is that in looking at only the price of the ring and the amount of money spent on the ring, you ignore the costs of obtaining the 10,000. From what I can remember those costs would be sunk, so the only costs you would be worried about in assessing what it took to get the ring would be the 10,000.

However, above some want to include the costs of getting the 10,000 (draft picks used to acquire the 1st round pick) in evaluating the cost of the ring (Quinn). I don’t see how you can create a scenario where you include the costs for acquiring the money/picks without including the opportunity costs of spending the money on the ring/Quinn.

I think they are actually two separate transactions. It cost us 2 picks to acquire the 1st. Once we acquired that 1st it only cost us 1 pick to take Quinn.

Or perhaps it cost us 2500 to purchase the ^$H#$ which we then turned around and sold for 10,000. With our 10,000 we bought some janky fake ring from the swap meet. If we try to go back all we’re going to be able to get back is our 10,000.

I think it’s too late and this is too long.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on May 3, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

its okay. I kinda grazed through it (I would honestly read it but I am sick and seriously need sleep) but I do agree. My example probably wasn’t great either and yours was probably the best. I agree that the picks we got for the first rounder ARE sunk costs.

I want to give a good example for this, but the words are all blending together.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 4, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for taking it like a man.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle

by danvail on May 4, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

granted, my brain was permanently affected and scarred years ago…

rec.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 4, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think i’m just as confused as you.

We gave up two picks to get one pick.
- 2 picks

Then we used that pick to get Quinn.
- 1 pick

= 3 picks

We could have gave up two picks

-2

Drafted say Kevin Kolb and not have wasted the pick we got.

If anything shouldn’t the other two picks be sunk costs in terms of evaluating Quinn, because we didn’t trade them to get Quinn, we traded them to get the pick we used to take Quinn. In other words we traded two picks for a 1st round pick. We then chose to waste that pick on Quinn.

The only way I see you don’t count the actual 1st round pick is if Quinn had already been drafted and we gave up two picks to directly get him.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on May 3, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This. Thank you

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

The other guys are pretending that picks actually used to acquire players don’t count.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually the math you’re looking for is as follows:

We gave up two picks to get one pick.
- 2 picks
+1 pick
Then we used that pick to get Quinn.
- 1 pick

= 2 picks

We started with two picks, and netted Quinn. The fact that there was an intermediary stage is irrelevant. Since we traded those two picks with the direct and immediate intention to acquire Quinn, it is appropriate to view the two stage transaction as one deal.

Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle

by danvail on May 4, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

False.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is really double jeopardy. we used the 2007 pick to get him. however the 2008 first and 2007 second=the 2007 first we used to get him. the 2007 pick was not originally ours.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, it became ours once we acquired for the other two picks it at which time we are not obligated to take Quinn. We could have done anything with that pick, therefore by choosing to take Quinn with the pick we wasted it on him.

As I said before the other two picks could possibly be considered sunk costs because they were used to get the 1st, which would not be considered a waste. However once we used it to get Quinn we wasted it.

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by Villeslgr on May 3, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I completely agree with your comment.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, it became ours once we acquired for the other two picks it at which time we are not obligated to take Quinn. We could have done anything with that pick, therefore by choosing to take Quinn with the pick we wasted it on him.

Yes, this is one of the points I was trying to get across.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but once that pick was ours, the other picks we have disappeared because they were the COST of getting the first rounder in 2007.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above, but it makes no sense to separate the two stages of the transaction because we were never going to do anything but take Quinn with the 2007 22nd.

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by danvail on May 4, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you decided on a signature yet?

by gahnki on May 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s quite a task to put on someone. I wouldn’t want that burden.

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by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I have, but I gotta write that fanpost for brad first.

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 2, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can start it before you put up the FanPost.

by gahnki on May 3, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d give it a solid 7, automatic points for making fun of Edwards, but minus 3 for just being text in a bubble.

A 10, for example, is the Colt McCoy’s head on Marilyn Monroe’s body picture. That was amazing.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

 OK, bakc to more important issues!
 Would love to see the Browns move Rogers to the other end and let Ahtybin play. He earned it!
 Would also like to see Cleveland make an offer to the Giants for Barry Cofield, NT. He’s their starter but they seem no longer interested in him.
 Rogers, Robaire and Rubin should be pretty formidable with Cofield backing them up…..and BONUS!….Cofield’s from Cleve. Hts. H.S.
 I say we draw up FREE AHTYBIN signs and get us a local to root for.

by theotherJimBrown on May 2, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Sharks won again!!!!!

Sharky’s Year

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by Brownie's Year on May 3, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Like it

Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!

by LondonBrown on May 3, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

For whatever reason, I literally bursted out laughing when I got to the third and fourth panels. Rec.

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by Chris Pokorny on May 3, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Internet humor, it’s awesome.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fun biology fact!

Sharks have both reproductive organs. Well, techincally there is no such thing as a shark penis. It literally does nothing.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

they lied to me on southpark!

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

this looks like rob ryan 1 haircut and 100lbs ago.

by Dawg Nuts on May 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know i’ve been giving you crap, but i’m rooting for the sharks to beat the wings.

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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

-WR Robby Parris, Notre Dame, looks like a good complement to Mohammad Massaquoi at wide out.
-Deverin Gernalds, Mississipi, and Brennan McFadden, Utah State, look like able bodies for guard.
-Mark Ellis is a heavyweight champion wrestler from Missouri, might make a good DT.
-Austin Giles, Boston College, looks strong for DT, needs to add some weight.
-Mattin Tevaseu, UNLV, looks crazy strong, for an extra body for NG.
-Verne as in versatile linebackers: seems like a nice batch to choose from: ILB Jon Dempsey, Louisville. ILB Brandon McLaughlin, Maine. ILB Daniel Howard, Texas Tech. OLB Eryk Anders, Alabama. OLB Jeffrey Smart, Colorado. Is how I project them.
-DB Matthew Harris, Arkansas, looks like an interesting body with a good head, maybe as a project for cornerback or outside linebacker.
-Looks like more challengers for TE: Ryan Moya, UCLA, soft hands? Brandon Harrington, Chadron State, looks freaky strong.

by mooncamping on May 3, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

How much college football do you watch to find these players no one has heard of? The only one on that list I’ve heard of is Parris.

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on May 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing none.

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by danvail on May 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think he just scouts the depth charts looking for players who have the measurements he looks for at various positions. I highly doubt he’s seen most of those players in an actual football game.

by Buckeye Brad on May 3, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the measurements that make someone a contender for CB/OLB that scare me.

by JustBob on May 3, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard of really any either…except for Anders, but thats partially because he was on a NC team.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don´t know. Who invited them? It just seems like they´re the type of players, I might find a few I could work with from. Sporty, speedy linebackers. Not overly tall defensive tackle proportioned linemen that have a naturally strong build, and aren´t just weight room strong.
Corners and safeties that aren´t so small that they must shy away from contact, and be cleverly called cover corners. Maybe there´s a lucky pick or two among them.

by mooncamping on May 4, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moon, are you a fan of any college football programs?

by gahnki on May 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a Big Butt University?

by Bernie19Kosar on May 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have favorites, need to find the one and only though.

by mooncamping on May 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who are your faves?

by gahnki on May 4, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to say, I had my first sports news exposure as a teenager in the 80´s.
The ones that were exciting then still have places of reverence somewhere in my consciousness. Florida State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Boston College, the dogged and determined ones who get special players…plus the big programs I guess…Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, Iowa, the areas with people who live football and have fan cathedrals, the stadiums, seas of whatever color is impressive. I like underdogs too, Hawaii, Baylor, Temple, Syracuse hasn´t done anything in a long time.

by mooncamping on May 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

WVU has fans that live (and love) college football. We don’t have much else to root for….Marshall doesn’t really count.

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

penn state won 2 national championships in the 80’s. don’t forget them.

by Dawg Nuts on May 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which ones have strong German demographics? Maybe that would help me decide.

by mooncamping on May 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

penn state is located in central PA, in the heart of amish country; many of the original amish were german immigrants, so today’s amish are of german descent; sound okay?

by Dawg Nuts on May 7, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live 15 minutes from Penn State, and was going to school there for about a year. It was originally founded as an agricultural school.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 7, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i live 25 minutes from there, graduated from there. where do you live?

by Dawg Nuts on May 9, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bellefonte. I dropped out though. Let’s just say it’s not for me.

Where are you?

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Down in Mifflin County – Reedsville. I work with a guy from Bellefonte.

maybe we need to start a State College Browns Backers Chapter.

by Dawg Nuts on May 10, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never but down that way. But that would be awesome. I was looking in the area for one, but this place is full of Pittspuke fans. It makes my day to see somebody wearing a Browns shirt.

Unfortunately, I’m 19. Kinda tough when I can’t go to a bar. I need to move to Canada.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 10, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should consider it closer to the start of the season. maybe i’ll post something once training camp starts.

by Dawg Nuts on May 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good. Since there’s nothing I know of near Central PA, I could see it generating a lot of interest.

Kill them. Kill them all.

by StuckInPa on May 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to move to Canada.

yep. great place to be. I am 19 too and go school in buffalo so its pretty awesome.

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by bross09 on May 11, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good, I´d have to warm to it.
Philadelphia? Temple? Germans, do you know?

by mooncamping on May 9, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I recommend Wisconsin if you’re actively looking:

by gahnki on May 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

how are their rear ends?

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope fine, I´m not into that.

by mooncamping on May 5, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t be coy.

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by danvail on May 5, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure about rear ends, but we got some bling in WV

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got released by a Canadian Football League team…

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. So why would he try out for a team that didn’t take him last year? He should go to Oakland haha.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny picture though!

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this was snapped right after colt was told what the weather is like in cleveland in the winter.

by Dawg Nuts on May 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

harrell just always looks like that.

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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking, if this picture was cut off at their numbers… it would be very suggestive.

And make for an fun create-a-caption.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, you’re so right.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be photoshopped to something dirty.

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel so bad for Harrell. He came back again?

TT ruins QB careers. Like destroys them.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If someone who played at TT was a good enough player to play in the NFL, they’d be fine. What TT does is raise expectations for decent college QBs.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. It’s not like any highly regarded QB’s went to Texas Tech then faultered while there. Or a former Texas Tech QB was drafted high in the NFL draft then busted. I think the NFL knows not to judge any Tech QB based solely on their numbers.

by Buckeye Brad on May 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hal Mumme -style system. Creates outliers. I think the one thing that is really different is the way they run pass protection. Other than that they just run a lot of sound pass concepts.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 4, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that sucks for him.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm.

Apparently, Cleveland saw enough of Graham Harrell last year to want to take a second look at him.

Think he can beat out Ratliff?

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t think it matters, i really don’t think we’ll carry 4 QBs

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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Mangenius has already hinted that he has considered keeping 4 QBs to hold onto Brett.

by Roger Dorn on May 4, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did he mention Ratliff by name?

I think we have four QBs on the roster come week 1, but I don’t think that it’s a 100% certainty that one of those QBs is Ratliff.

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by golanbatrac on May 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he mentioned Ratliff. That’s where the 4 QB talk came from.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has a Manginirection over Ratliff.

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by danvail on May 4, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

smokescreeen

It could be graham Harrell…or that could be a smokescreen in of itself.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Harrell was any good, he would have earned a contract for training camp last year.

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. however, it isn’t out of the question with our QB situation.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This PIC is gonna make Jordan Shipley Jealous

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

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Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on May 3, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't resist

The Lyle Leong Bandwagon will Continue to Roll!!!

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Wreck 'em, Tech!

by Tortilla Pirate on May 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Knowing he’s a Bengal makes this even funnier.

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, here's another

its amazing how widespread these are….although I just cranked the previous one out myself.

LINK COLTBACK MOUNTAIN

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by Tortilla Pirate on May 5, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lane Kiffin should be the other face.

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 5, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he had a stiff neck to work out.

by realmccoy on May 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Story of Graham Harrell:

browns tryout player. Doesn’t make the team. Worked out for a UFL team. Didn’t make that team. Signed a 2 year contract in 2009 with the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Is hired as the Ok. St. QB coach. Then it is announced he will only coach in the offseason and will play in the CFL too. then a couple months later he is released by his CFL team. then, his career comes full circle when he tries out for the browns in 2010.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next Kurt Warner!

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a difference. Kurt Warner was good….. Harrell, eh not so much.

by Simmsinns on May 3, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was kidding. Just reading that reminded me of the Warner story… a great QB coming out of the middle of nowhere. I’m not suggesting Harrell would be.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly…except that Kurt Warner got passed over b/c

a) he was from FCS D-1AA school Northern Iowa

b) He only had one year of starting experience

he is a guy who was extremely raw but had the physical skills and potential. Harrell really isn’t a high ceiling guy.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m beginning to think that if i practiced for a year i could throw for 50 TDs a texas tech

by sww2109 on May 3, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrell knew

he still had a shot in Cleveland. He asked for and received his release


Saskatchewan Roughriders release Graham Harrell and Eric Morris

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by Tortilla Pirate on May 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrell knew he still had a shot in Cleveland

how do you know this from the article? it says his GOAL was to play in the NFL. There is also a difference between a player thinking he has a shot and a team thinking he has a shot.

Why spending 2009 not playing football increase his chances at making the team? Harrell played in their rookie camp but most don’t make the team. Look at the article posted. the browns have 53 guys in rookie camp and 35 tryout players. I would be surprised if much mre than 15 guys from rookie camp make the browns 53 man roster. it can happen. However, the chances for one guy out of the 35 that are tryout players to make the team is extremely slim. Being in rookie cam is no indication of any sort of chance to make the team.

and Mangini, the guy who liked Harrell enough to invite him to camp before, does not have the personnel control that he did last year.

I would say that Harrell’s chances of making the browns are at least 100 to 1 IMO.

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by bross09 on May 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the Browns are still very interested in Harrell:

“We just wanted to see where he was and give him another opportunity,” Mangini said. “We liked the things that he did last year and have kept tabs on him over the course of the year. This is a good opportunity for us to gauge where he is.”

Link.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 3, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they’re thinking of cutting Ratliff in favor of Harrell?

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re looking to improve at every position. If they think Harrell has more to offer than Ratliff, they’ll keep Harrell.

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by golanbatrac on May 3, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut from the UFL, sounds like a winner

by HenryDawg on May 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was never on a team. He had a tryout but wasn’t good enough to make the team…then he was a 4th stringer on a CFL team.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprise! It’s papa walrus!

"Quote goes here."

by Adrock2099 on May 3, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Harrell: “STRETCH HARDER! MAYBE THE MAGICAL WALRUS WILL SNEAK UP ON ME!”

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 3, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Holmgren: “duck…duck…duck..duck…GOOSE!”

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by golanbatrac on May 3, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Video

#7Texas Tech Upsets #1 Texas

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by Tortilla Pirate on May 4, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was an incredible game though, for all college football fans. I remember watching it live, naturally rooting for the underdog. One of the most amazing endings I’ve ever seen to a game.

by Simmsinns on May 4, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the worst endings I’ve ever seen. My heart was forever broken.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 4, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was rooting for Tech, I couldn’t believe they let Crabtree be the one that beat them.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 5, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Tree is tight, when he tries.

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by Brownie's Year on May 5, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how the safety missed that tackle so badly.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t it Earl Thomas?

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 5, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 5, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chykie Brown

to the day he;s still whiffin on tackles

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by Tortilla Pirate on May 6, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why aren’t there two or three Texas players there? Its like the end of a lakers game; you know Kobe is going to shoot even if there are 3 people on him, why not at least double him and make it a <10% shot?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 6, 2010 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

well curtis brown was the corner in coverage, and he went to make a play on the ball and missed, he was the one clutching at Crabtree’s jersey. I don’t know who the safety was but he completely whiffed on a hit coming from the inside and gave crabtree an open lane to the endzone.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quadruple-team Crabtree, something. There were far too few Orange jerseys near him. I would have ran quarters, except by “quarters” I would have meant “4 DBs all designated to play over the top of Crabtree”.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 7, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would have been funnier if you ended it with:

“And now look where I am. FML”

by Simmsinns on May 4, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you the guy who made the post about how Harrell should’ve been a first rounder last year?

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA HA

Im a homer, but Im not delusional. He deserves a shot.

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by Tortilla Pirate on May 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know this isn’t a Cavs blog, but honestly I don’t like going over to FTS because it seems like there aren’t many people there. But I’m curious as to what everyone thinks of LeBron’s “No matter what happens, I’ll still have a home in Cleveland” comment. Is it a sign he’s leaving or is he just drawing attention to himself? I hope it’s the latter.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and Mo needs to dunk to give us a spark haha.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he honestly hasn’t made up his mind, so he doesn’t want to say anything too committal one way or another.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, what a piss poor performance this has been. Hopefully they react to it like they did after game 2 vs. the Bulls.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then they take it to 10 and give everyone false hope. If we don’t win in Boston, we’re screwed. But I think we’ll be ok.

by emily522 on May 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

my day was already a terrible day. It is so terrible to the point that I made a list of over 40 thinks that have pissed me off or upset me today.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thing you mean 40 things

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

41!

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by notthatnoise on May 3, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no…Its up to 43. It was over 40 things…the cavs pushed it over. that didn’t piss me off honestly…but the fact that my meal options for dinner today were between a hot pocket and frito’s, that pissed me off.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 4, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quit bitching. Fritos rule.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 4, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

they are good, but I would rather have maybe something more substantial for a meal (didn’t have anything substantial for lunch either.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

brown some hamburger and mix in some taco seasoning, then in a baking dish line the bottom with frito’s, then a layer of the burger, and repeat for a couple layers. Then get some Colby cheese to melt over the top of it all in the oven for about 7min or so til the cheese is melted. We call it Taco Pie, quick, easy, and is absolutely great!

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have the luxury of meat really…or going out and buying food. I am broke and on a meal plan.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the meal plan like at Buffalo?

by gahnki on May 4, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

good…except for finals week…then every eatery shuts down.

I am not a fan of meal plans…they have set times, set places you can eat (though this has significantly changed) and there is no rollover…

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t know about your set times and places, but where i go to school you can go whenever the place is open, which i think is like 8am to 9pm for the main dining halls and as late as 3am for a couple places, and there are at least 4 places on campus that i can think of off the top of my head that take meal swipes

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. Most places take meal swipes on campus but the meals are at set times…you can’t use lunch after 2:30, Breakfast after 10:30, or dinner after 8.

and finals week, everything closes down. like 2 places take meal swipes, only one for dinner, and that place (for dinner) is only open from 5-7.

It is usually not terrible, just my meal plan stinks and finals week sucks (my meal plan gives me every meal they offer…no rollover…and I waste like 7 a week…mostly breakfast)

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please I eat at dining facilities ran by KBR. Have you ever seen or ate Mexican food made by a person from India?

Ya must have rocks in ya head to work in Iraq?
Yeah but at least mine are shiny!

by Suppa Bob on May 5, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

this made me laugh out loud for some reason

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen mexican food made by african-americans, indians making friend chicken and cole slaw, americans making chinese, hispanics making indian food…

yeah, the student union dining areas just played musical chairs with the ethnicities.

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by bross09 on May 6, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hispanics make cheeseburgers and fries.

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by Brownie's Year on May 6, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

friend chicken

this sounds very warm and fuzzy. the friendliest chicken around.

by Dawg Nuts on May 7, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Columbus we have a very small Italian restaurant run by people from India and they have some of the best Italian food I’ve ever had.

by Buckeye Brad on May 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Udipi Cafe is run by what appear to be Indian people and it is delicious.

Where is the Italian restaurant?

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by rufio on May 7, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s called Verdi Restaurant and it’s on 315 just north of I-270, when 315 goes down to 2 lanes. It’s on the right in a plaza with a few other shops and eating places. It’s very small — there are only 3 booths and 6 tables in whole place. But fantastic food.

by Buckeye Brad on May 7, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but Fritos disgust me. Just my opinion though.

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Doritos in a taco salad on the other hand. Hell to the yes.

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by StuckInPa on May 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

this…fritos are outstanding

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADDITIONAL FLAG

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by danvail on May 5, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll flagh if he’s talking about the barbeque twist kind.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit I love the bbq Twist kind!

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 5, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

One picture is worth 128K words.

by StuckInPa on May 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right?

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I drunkenly ate a whole bag of those like an hour ago.

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t diss hot pockets.

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by notthatnoise on May 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

DIARRHEA POCKET. or…

CALIENTE… POCKET.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

this definitely went through my mind at least once last night.

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have no clue where I got this from do you?

Oh, wow.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got the joke right away…

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t see what I did

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, i did. I meant that he would be mad that he did that.

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by notthatnoise on May 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance we flip Reinders or other OLs over to DT/DE? We’ve got some hefty OLs (I was thinking of Jason Capizzi as well) on the roster now. It seems a long shot, but I couldn’t help wondering.

by NM Dawg on May 4, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Reinders has only played OL in 8 games his entire career. The man can’t suddenly do a position swap.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s not like he’s exactly settled in at OL. At this point there might not be that much of a difference in the learning curve for him either way. As to whether he possesses the talent/skills/whatever to work the other side of the line is a different question.

by JustBob on May 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put. I don’t know much about the difference in requirements for OL versus DL. The big attraction to Reinders was his athleticism, which would seem to be attractive on both sides. He’s a project, in any event. Anybody want to offer some opinions on the differences between OL talent and DL talent?

by NM Dawg on May 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, moon! I like your new name!

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by TheRealSlimShady on May 4, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

NM stands for New Mooncamping

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by bross09 on May 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he makes the team I’ll run naked around town.

by BuenosAires_Dawg on May 4, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sharks up 3-0.


AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Brownie's Year on May 4, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

this comment is full of awesome.

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by notthatnoise on May 6, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Man, I have no idea why his heart just exploded.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 5, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or does Heckert look like he’s been cuffed?

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by danvail on May 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

he looks like he’s the lookout while mangini and ryan make a drug deal.

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

the only deal those two would be making is who is buying lunch

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

mangini: I got the double down you got the money?
ryan: yeah, yeah, just give it to me!

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec. the double down would be like drugs to rob ryan.

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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Double Down would be like drugs to ANY food loving American… if it weren’t so damned expensive!

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I thought it would only be like 2-3 dollars at most. I looked it up…Its like over 5 dollars!

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it fills you up. you don’t need to buy anything else.

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true…

And its not as terrible as one would think. Its not great for you, but when you consider Cheese, Bacon, Mayo and Fried Chicken, it is surprisingly low in fat.

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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

still better for you than a Big Mac

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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. Basically the same, except the Double Down has a hell of a lot more salt.

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by StuckInPa on May 5, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true…the salt…

I was thinking calories and fat, and it was a bit better if I remember. I could be wrong…but it definitely has more sodium content.

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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fuckin love double downs!

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol…I saw you just admitted to eating cheetos drunk recently…would you still happen to be in this state?

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by bross09 on May 6, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

you should make that your signature

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 6, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a reminder . . . please stay away from the cuss words on this blog. You can say the same thing without using the f-word.

by Buckeye Brad on May 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

:( sorry, wasn’t thinking.

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by notthatnoise on May 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just learned 2 things about him.

1. He was a football player (I am surprised I never knew this)

2. He got an art scholarship to school.

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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s 41. That shape, age 41.

by joeee on May 5, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also the new crazy dude old spice guy.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those commercials are killing me.

Building kick!

by Bernie19Kosar on May 6, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

BUH BUH BUH BUH BUH BUH POWER!!!!

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know…he is freakin’ ripped…and he is hilarious.

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by bross09 on May 6, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

he killed me in “White Girls” with the Wayan Bros

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 6, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

hhhmmmm…I personally do not want this to happen.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/050510dnspocollutmccoy.168ea5d5.html

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

If we are 3-10 (something that I think is well in our reach) and McCoy has shown in practice that he has a good grasp on the offense, then why not?

Let him get some idea of the speed of the game.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed to me more like, “I don’t expect Delhomme and Wallace to both be injured/benched, but sure it could happen.”

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by danvail on May 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he means, he hopes we are not 3-10 and in a position where the season is already a wash and we just playing him to play him.

Or, as Danvail mentions, he’s hoping we are not injury ridden at the QB position, and forced to play McCoy.

I can agree with both of those. And I’d see less than 5 wins without signs of progress as a failure.

Lastly, I hope, personally, that if Delhomme is throwing as bad as he did last year, that their isn’t another controversy about who’s going to start the remaining games, blah blah blah, and hearing “COLT COLT COLT!” every time the starter throws a pick.

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Delhomme is horrible, I will be all for Seneca.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got no problem with playing Seneca if Delhomme is garbage.

What I won’t like is another dumb “QB controversy” where we end up juggling starting QBs among the 3-4 we have.

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with him coming in for a few series later in the year. I just prefer for him to sit this year and sponge up information from Delhomme and the coach’s.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How am I going to make it through the offseason?

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by rufio on May 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish i could hibernate.

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by notthatnoise on May 5, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

More conversations about steroid use and baseball’s competitive topology?

Nah, me neither.

That's just noise.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on May 5, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basketball playoffs fill a some of that void, but come July….. sad times. Worst part of the year.

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

July will be a sad time if a certain someone is gone :-/

by emily522 on May 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sebastian Telfair?

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by danvail on May 5, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playoffs were sad Monday. Cavs didn’t even look like they were trying. They better start taking Boston seriously.

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by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cavs didn’t even look like they were trying. They better start taking Boston seriously.

done and done.

by Dawg Nuts on May 7, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Boston wins next game, Cavies are done.

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by Brownie's Year on May 7, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really. the series would be 2-2 and the cavs would still have one more game at home…

now, if CLEVELAND wins the next game, the Cs are done.

unless, you were talking about the current game where they won, and I would still see them having a chance.

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by bross09 on May 8, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cavs should have whooped the aging Celtics. They can’t play at the level they’ve been playing and expect to win the series against more experienced playoff players..
This is from someone who doesn’t like either team.

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by Brownie's Year on May 8, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Celtics are not a terrible team. in the season series, the cavs only split. the Cavs are up 2-1. I don’t see a problem.

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by bross09 on May 8, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They aren’t terrible but they’re far from the best.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 8, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The regular season record mattering, along with experience mattering (which you have recently mentioned) are two things Hollinger just listed in his “playoff myths” article. Hollinger is pretty smart for an ESPN writer, so I am going to trust him over you.

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by rufio on May 8, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I agree hollinger is smart. I do agree too that regular season record really doesn’t matter a ton.

Experience I read actually does matter. one of the biggest factors in determining teams that would win a playoff series is previous playoff experience… I cannot remember the exact article I read it on. It was on an E-Mail from my father that got deleted at some point.

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by bross09 on May 9, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know as much about basketball as I do about football.

But I get the opinion that Hollinger knows his stuff:

Myth 2: Experience matters. Young teams are at an extreme disadvantage when they wade into the playoffs against a battle-tested crew. Or so we’re told. Veteran teams do have an edge. But it has nothing to do with players’ ages.

We tend to get cause and effect backward. When the Bobcats lost to the Magic in this year’s first round, what mattered more — that they were making their first run as a group or that they were the No. 7 seed facing a 59-game winner? Teams with less playoff experience are usually not as talented as their opponents; that’s why they lose.

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by rufio on May 10, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about hollinger. I want to see if I can also find out the article about playoff experience.

what mattered more — that they were making their first run as a group or that they were the No. 7 seed facing a 59-game winner? Teams with less playoff experience are usually not as talented as their opponents; that’s why they lose.

at the same time, this is a generalization. what happens when lets say 2 teams with similar records face…like the spurs and mavs this year.

Talent definitely is the main thing. I think from what I remember, the article actually said it was talking about matchups between similar teams talentwise.

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by bross09 on May 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a generalization just like you provided above in saying that experience matters.

You are now arguing against Hollinger using points which go against every point you have made up to now. This is the sort of BS thing that makes people on this blog very angry.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 10, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word up.

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by Brownie's Year on May 10, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree though with a lot of what hollinger says though and I will say he knows more than me…and he has a good point about better teams in general winning.

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by bross09 on May 11, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Case in point: Suns / Spurs this year. Spurs have the experience and the rings. Suns have been a first round exit team.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The cavs have plenty of playoff experience, between the deep runs last year and in 08, and the finals appearance in 07. This team has been there just as much as the celtics, but Haven’t actually won the big one, unlike the lakers and celts. Therefore the Cavs ought to have something more to play for.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 8, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No rings though. They need to step up and be the best team. They’re playing ike crap now.

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by Brownie's Year on May 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re playing ike crap now.

how much cavs basketball have you watched?

lets see, they had 4 great games and one close loss against Miami.

then against the Cs, they won game one handily, then had a terrible game…but then bounced back to deliver the Cs their WORST PLAYOFF LOSS IN THEIR HISTORY…

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by bross09 on May 8, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I’m routing for the Cavs. Mark Price was my favorite player when I was a kid. I want to see a Clev-LA Final and Clev winning it all to shut these LA buttholes up.

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by Brownie's Year on May 9, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats nice to here. Maybe you have been looking at it a little pessimistically, and as someone who roots for a cleveland team, I do not blame you. Realistically, the cavs have not played bad though. Yeah, I hope we whoop LA too.

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by bross09 on May 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a Cavs fan. They’re the best team and they need that ring. The Warriors aren’t in the mix and I hate LA, so I have to rout for someone, right?

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by Brownie's Year on May 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today’s game could’ve gone to anyone. That 12-0 run in the 4th screwed them over.

I think we win in 7.

by emily522 on May 9, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the officiating throughout most of the game was bad. Very bad.

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by rufio on May 10, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like to blame the refs, but there were definitely some BS calls.

by emily522 on May 10, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was poor for both sides. I was screaming at my TV about some of the anti-Cavs calls, but then I would find myself saying “yeah, that was terrible” about some pro-Cavs calls.

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by rufio on May 11, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I found the game unwatchable from a quality of play and reffing point of view.

by Roger Dorn on May 11, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was one of the most poorly officiated games i’ve seen in the playoffs, and you are 100% right that it was bad for both teams. It wasn’t even bad in the sense that they missed calls or called to much, it was bad in the sense that they weren’t consistent. sometimes they were letting a lot of the physical stuff go and sometimes they were calling silly little touch fouls.

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by notthatnoise on May 11, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

This is what makes NBA so crazy.

If you are going to call touch fouls from the opening whistle, call them all damn game.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am glad I am not the only one who feels like the NBA is often officiated like the WWE.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on May 11, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness, it has to be impossible to ref Lebron James. The guy is so strong that the other team almost has to foul to stop him from getting to the rim, but who really wants to see a foul called every single play?

by Roger Dorn on May 11, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you can’t just ignore the rules because a guy is a freak.

I don’t mind if they want to let them play, just let them play the whole game through. NBA officials seem to ebb and flow with foul calls.

It drives me nuts that officials think that they need to “control” a game by whistling fouls.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 11, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is exactly the problem with basketball. The officials have too many decisions and too much influence. I think the game is basically flawed at its core. The problem is that the NFL is trending a bit too far into the same territory in terms of rules constraining the defense. Lets just hope it doesn’t go any further than it already has. Football has to remain football.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 12, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t saying ignore the rules, I was saying it is difficult to ref Lebron. If I had it my way I would change some of the NBA rules outright.

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a Lebron fan, but I think it’s ridiculous sometimes how teams can get away with trying to guard him, this goes with shaq when he was a strong threat as well.

In my opinion, if there’s a foul you have to call it. If not then you’re giving the opposing team an unfair advantage and you take away a part of the game that should be available to a guy like Lebron, getting to the free throw line and putting the opposing team into foul trouble.

Honestly I don’t it will slow down the average time of game because the guys fouling will be out of the game quickly. It’s not fair to make a strength of Lebron into a weakness for fear of slowing down a game, especially in the playoffs.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

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by Villeslgr on May 12, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, if anyone in Cleveland is complaining about the month of July, just reminisce back to last February and enjoy the weather.

by gahnki on May 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t actually live in Cleveland, what happened last February that you’re referring to?

by Simmsinns on May 5, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he means something like this

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

picture fail, one more time

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give up…here is the link if you wanna see the damn pic

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captaintweaky/3380075173/

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard this quote from mangini before. I think all he is saying is it is a possibility but he is no at all a frontrunner.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on May 5, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Colt looks like he can handle the job in practice, why not send him out there for the last 2 or 3 games. Eli Manning started the last few contests of his rookie year. As long as Colt sits at least 8 games and holmgren actually says he is ready. The key is to not just play him to sate the idiotic fans.

"Smokescreen."

by jaws. on May 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to sign JaMarcus Russel pronto. He can mentor Colt McCoy.

by mooncamping on May 7, 2010 5:08 AM EDT reply actions  

/sarc? if so haha, if not I just don’t have a response.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 7, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russell can show him what not to do?

by Buckeye Brad on May 7, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

lead by bad example

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 7, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

JaMarcus Russell, big guy, big presence.
Accrued awards in college:
Awards and honors
Columbus Touchdown Club SEC Player of the Year (2005)
4x SEC Offensive Player of the Week (1 in 2005, 3 in 2006)
First-team All-SEC by the Associated Press and SEC coaches (2006)
Manning Award (2006)
Davey O’Brien Award semifinalist (2006)
Redshirted 2003 National Championship season at LSU
And in a pinch he just might be the better offensive tackle in a pinch, joking.

by mooncamping on May 8, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

those are all good and well moon, but I don’t want a guy who lets himself go and is reportedly lazy and lethargic during practice anywhere around my rookies.

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 8, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, makes sense.
He may be the type of guy that would reward you with spectacular performance for the merit of a second chance. Since we should be dedicated to Colt McCoy, that may indeed, not be a good idea. I just thought he could hang out, after all he comes from winning programs.

by mooncamping on May 9, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

it will be interesting to see where he ends up

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if they even let him extend his career. He lost a lot, makes most people question his talent.

by mooncamping on May 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do as I say, not as I do?

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on May 7, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Browns-take-home-bowling-trophy/af814e8e-b9d9-427f-9776-ca0c494792dc

and people say are trophy case is empty

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

and people say our trophy case is empty

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on May 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where are those Steeler and Raven trolls now!?

Championship!

by Bernie19Kosar on May 7, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey notthatnoise

To the Western Conference Finals.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think i’ve come a full 180 on this. now i’d almost like to see them win the whole thing, just to avenge the playoff meltdowns of previous seasons.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

also props to the people who threw a shark on the ice.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone really thought outside the box on that one.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on May 11, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol Thanks for routing for us. I’m a little worried about the Blackhawks though. They owned us this season. If we lost, I wouldn’t see it as a complete meltdown.

I seriously would have rather seen chum thrown out there than a shark. It’s our mascot! It seemed in poor taste to me. It would be like if a Browns fan threw out a dead dog on the field, sort of. Just doesn’t seem right.

The Maniac’s here.

by Brownie's Year on May 12, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Octopus chum?

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on May 12, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they threw the shark with an octopus in its mouth.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on May 12, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

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