In Search of Insight on Wimbley
As you may have guessed from my title, I am a Raiders fan and I thought I would jump on over here and try and get the real experts take on Kamerion Wimbley. The best place to get quality analysis of a player is from the fans that watch with a vested interest every play.
So, what are his strengths and weaknesses?
The Raiders are listing him as a LB and have promised to run some 3-4 looks but will remain primarily a 4-3 team. Do you think this is something Wimbley will be able to do? Can he guard anyone?
Does he bring consistent effort?
Thanks for any insight you can offer.
As a side note, I am a Raider fan living in Seattle. I have no love for the Seahawks. I didn't like Holmgren when he came to the Seahawks and I took every chance I could to rip him. He earned my respect. The guy is a class act and a great football mind. While he was no longer GM, the Seahawks made the Super Bowl on the strength of the roster moves he made.
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If the Raiders let him play with his hand on the ground, he could really surprise.
If they plan on standing him up, like you say, you will be very disappointed. IMO, he is a decent player that likes to run around tackles in order to get to the passer.
Thanks. I think the Raiders defensive identity will be evolving as the season goes.
Hopefully they can find the best way to utilize him.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This is good to hear.
As a Raiders fan, I am used to hearing the fans of the other teams being too busy laughing to say anything about the trade.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah…this is a trade that actually may have worked for both sides and Al Davis didn’t do something stupid…granted, you guys might only have him for a year because of his contract…
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One thing about Al is
if he likes a player, they seldom leave. The guy takes care of his own.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You from the Bay Area? I am. Go A’s! Go Sharks!
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by Brownie's Year on May 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I actually became a Raiders fan when I was a kid and both the team and I were in LA.
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by Rich Langford on May 6, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I am an M's fan. So you and your first place A's can suck it!
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by Rich Langford on May 6, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re only barely in first. Our whole division is sloppy right now. To be honest, I hate LA and Texas more than Seattle.
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by Brownie's Year on May 6, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Angels are easy to hate!
And you are right, the division is pretty weak right now. The M’s offense is historically bad. If the M’s can’t win it, I go for the A’s every time. Too bad no one goes to their games.
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by Rich Langford on May 7, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of the fans are from San Jose and don’t like making the drive all the time. The numbers will increase if or when the team moves to SJ or Fremont. Which pisses me off because I no longer live in San Jose. In SoCal now.
I’m the same way with Seattle. If the A’s can’t do it, I hope LA or Texas looses.
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by Brownie's Year on May 7, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a talented athlete with a limited repertoire. He’s never developed an effective inside move, and will try to speed rush at every opportunity. I imagine Mangini didn’t like using him because he was a bit too predictable and sort of the opposite of his favorite archetype – the versatile, play-anywhere type that can aid in masking a defense.
I think in the right hands, though, he can be effective and help a defense out. Just don’t expect the next Peter Boulware (what he was billed as by our Ex-GM Phil Savage).
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Sounds like he may benefit from going to a place without such a high level of expectations.
The Raiders are going to have a young LB’s corp. Maybe they will all learn some things together.
Was it the Raiders 3rd round pick that you got McCoy with?
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the one you got from the Patriots.
I’ll add that the only real fan expectation for Wimbley for the last two years was to learn to develop a better pass rushing arsenal. He never did that, though he did improve against the run and in pass coverage. The disappointment most Browns fans feel in regards to Wimbley was that we know he could be very good if he did learn to attack the inside, yet he’s continued to be marginalized by his one dimensionality. I wouldn’t expect that to change, though it’s certainly a possibility.
Also, I think most of us were a bit surprised that we traded Wimbley, though in hindsight it does seem to fit the Mangini M.O..
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The Raiders LB's have been pretty useless against the run.
If he can get occasional pressure on the QB and be a solid run defender, we will be happy. This is great info and what I was looking for.
Is it generally felt that Mangini has more control over the roster or Holmgren? When Holmgren came to Seattle, he gave most players a year before he really began shipping people out. It should be fun to watch.
Going only off of my thoughts on Holmgren, I would expect that unless the Browns make the playoffs this year Mangini will be gone. He is going to want to get in his people to run his system. The Seahawks made the playoffs his first year, but he still shipped out most of the players including the hometown boy and QB Kitna.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it generally felt that Mangini has more control over the roster or Holmgren?
No, but Mangini seems to have plenty of influence. He also had a year to develop opinions without Holmgren’s influence.
As an aside, Heckert (our GM) also has say as to the roster, though I believe final authority rests with Holmgren. The Wimbley trade seems, IMO, like he was offered up by Mangini as a guy who could be traded for some value.
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I think the general feel is that Heckert controls the roster with Holmgren and Mangini giving input. Given his past with the Eagles, this should be fun to watch.
I would expect Mangini to retain his job so long as we stay .500 or better this season.
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i don’t even think the bar is that high. i think 7-9 or even 6-10 would let him keep his job. of course, the end result isn’t nearly as important as how we get there.
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the end result isn’t nearly as important as how we get there.
very true, very true
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It is certainly going to be interesting to watch this roster take shape over the next few years.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You mention Raiders LBs which is an interesting point. If you guys are going to run a 4-3, he could play both DE or OLB in that system possibly. he is not a great run defender but he has improved and may be good enough against the run and in coverage to be a LB in a 4-3. Plus, as a OLB in a 4-3 (preferrably WLB), he could still edge rush and face off against Tackles less (because the DE will likely be battling them).
I know the raiders use Trevor scott in that role, where he lines up at DE or sometimes OLB. Wimbley can do the same but a bit better, because he is a bit more natural than scott playing standing up. Wimbley is a bit better in coverage and against the run but not as consistent rushing the passer…He can still give you similar production, which would be nice.
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Great points.
The Raiders have said that Wimbley and Scott will be the starting OLB’s, with Wimbley being the SLB. Honestly, I have no idea what their D is going to look like come week 1 and I am not sure they fully know yet either. Typically the Raiders do not blitz, but they definitley have LB’s that will be able to.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he won’t get to the QB as much as you expect him to, but he’ll be better than you expect in coverage and against the run.
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Good. Run D has been the achilies heel.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
A certain guy you picked up in the draft should be able to help you guys out with that also.
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he is probably a starter for Moon’s LB corp
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They are talking about trying him out on special teams, which should be interesting.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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Agreed. We are a little worried about the lack of run stuffing DT's, but jacked about McClain.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kamerion is a high caliber individual that hustles and plays hard at all times. He is a steal for a 3rd round pick – and if the Raider staff can get him to add an effective counter move to the speed rush or improve his coverage skills they will have an excellent player. We sometimes forget – he was a DE in college and is still in need of development.
Great! I am through with players that don't bust ass every play.
Thanks for the info.
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by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
he was a DE in college and is still in need of development.
Honestly though, if he still needs to Adjust to being a Linebacker 4 seasons and starting 62 games there, that is a problem.
you are right that he does hustle, but he just doesn’t consistently make plays (which was the problem)
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Good person, never in trouble, seems smart and well-spoken in interviews.
When we drafted him to rush the passer, he did it well. He had a lot of sacks by speed rushing outside the OT, then dipping under his block. As others have pointed out, it is still his only really reliable move. Since that first year not only have his sack #s not been as good, opposing teams have figured him out and can stop him.
He is very flexible for a guy that big, fluid, and can get deep in zone drops. He is fast for that size in short, intermediate and long areas, as well as when changing direction.
I think most of his problems stem from not being physical enough; no power move, never a really punishing tackler, doesn’t like to (or can’t) get under the pads of the OL, stand them up, and then shed. I would say that he is pretty good at supporting the run for a 4-3 OLB, but not really good as a 3-4 OLB, and I would really be questioning his ability to play the run as a 4-3 DE, although Seymor could just take up 3-4 blockers by himself and you guys’d be fine ;)
I wish him the best and hope you guys are 2-0 against Denver.
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by SpecialBrownie on May 5, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He was disappointing after his rookie season. Teams figured out he only had one good move. I think some here are praising his run D a little too much…I never thought he was impressive against the run at all really. He is the definition of mediocre at this point in his career. Good trade for the Browns.
Thanks for the honest analysis...
even though I am hoping it sucks!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wimbley is a reasonably good outside pass rusher (despite a limited repertoire of moves) who is also pretty good against the run. He is by no means an elite player but he is definitely a solid starter at the very least. Put his hand in the dirt and you will probably get production better than what you would have gotten out of a third round rookie.
However, the one drawback is that Wimbley is currently overpaid and his contract is going to expire after the 2010 season, so he will want to be even more overpaid come next year.
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He is a decent pass rusher. He is quick and agile, but he often gets caught up in traffic. He seems to be a hard worker, and he always is wanting to play. Expect him to be a solid pass rusher, a mediocre run defender, and a stand-up guy. He won’t be a pro-bowler, but he’ll fit your scheme well.
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