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Cleveland Browns Mini-Camp Recap (Day 3) - Next Up, Training Camp

Just like that, Cleveland Browns mini-camp is over. Besides seeing if our restricted free agents will sign over the next few days, or the type of contracts our rookie draft picks will receive, the next major event for the team won't come until the start of training camp some time in July.

What went on during the team's final mini-camp session? Let's take a look with our Day 3 recap...

CLEVELAND BROWNS MINI-CAMP NOTES (JUNE 12 - DAY 3)

  1. Mangini on Delhomme: As much as Eric Mangini has improved with his revelations to the media, he's still stubborn about naming a starting quarterback, isn't he? Although he gave Delhomme credit for the chemistry he is building with the team...
    "I see the team buying into it and that’s the way it should be ," Mangini said. "It’s a partnership between the coaching staff and the quarterback. We give him the flexibility that puts us in the best position."

    ...Mangini said that both quarterbacks (Delhomme and Wallace) have done well and will get reps with the starters in training camp.
  2. Hardesty Takes a Break: After being praised by the head coaches this offseason, rookie RB Montario Hardesty did not participate on Friday after tweaking his ankle on Friday. Hardesty's injury is considered nothing -- Mangini stated that he held out many players merely to be cautious. Hardesty being out gave RB Jerome Harrison a few more reps.
  3. Other Player Status Updates: Sitting out along with Hardesty were both rookie safeties (T.J. Ward and Larry Asante), and LB Scott Fujita. CB Eric Wright, who had "tightness" previously, was back on the practice field. FB Peyton Hillis was in attendance finally, but he did not participate in practice. He reportedly lost 7-8 pounds, so he'll have some work to do heading into training camp.
  4. Another New Quarterback: This one comes from the Plain Dealer, highlighting another "gem" of an arm on the roster, this time on the defensive line:
    Defensive lineman Brian Schaefering got the team off the field early by heaving a 60-yard pass through the narrow uprights. "He's got a gun,'' said Mangini. "Maybe we'll use him at the end of a game -- from the negative 20.''
  5. Moore Making Plays: Although he's had some injury issues, TE Evan Moore continues catching passes, coming away with a few red zone touchdowns Saturday from the arm of QB Brett Ratliff.
  6. Comparing the Kickers: The Akron Beacon Journal has a note on the kickers, highlighting the fact that Phil Dawson looked sharp (hitting a 54-yarder) while Shaun Suisham missed at least three kicks and had trouble getting distance. This isn't a kicking competition; Suisham will probably be dumped once Dawson ends his holdout in training camp.
  7. Minimizing the Turnovers: After throwing a ton of picks in Day 1 of mini-camp, the Browns quarterbacks reportedly did very well in keeping the turnovers down Saturday, failing to throw an interception. The closest opportunity reportedly came when Sheldon Brown dropped a Colt McCoy pass (yay, McCoy got mentioned!)
  8. Raw Practice Footage: Here it is, just a little over a minute in length!
  9. Note: I recommend reading the first link listed in the sources below -- it had a few other nuggets that I didn't mention (like a one-handed stab by Joshua Cribbs).

NEWS SOURCES FOR MINICAMP REPORT

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That´s all fine and dandy, but if I have an expansion team, I´m still taking, due to lacking a starting designation, and in the NFL as it will be, benching starters will be punished:
G Eric Ghiaciuc
T Scott Kooistra
SS Abe Elam
TE Greg Estandia
WO Mohamed Massaquoi
TE Evan Moore
C Eric Steinbach
FS Eric Wright
G Billy Yates
QB Colt McCoy
If I had a 4-3, which I don´t, I´m also taking:
DE Austin English
DE Swanson Miller

by mooncamping on Jun 13, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

T Tony Pashos, too.
As you can tell, that gives me an entire line up to my standards, an entire classic safety set up to my standards. A tall tight end, and a soft handed one. One of the most highly decorated QBs in the history of the NCAA. A bread and butter wide out. And two excellent 4-3 Defensive Ends to barter with.

by mooncamping on Jun 13, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The intention being: mooncamping would start these guys. And maybe some people in the FO and around town feel the same way. And then make a definate decision regarding these individual players, not to impede them in the future. If the designation is back-up however, they are fine ones, and hopefully for the forseeable future. Meaning adequate salaries and treatment. Resulting in and lotting you motivated starter replacement in case of injury, and roster spots filled in regards to your scouting endeavors, means less uncertainty in general.

by mooncamping on Jun 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of sad when Mooncamping is commenting with the highest percentage in a weekly basis. What the hell everyone?

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 13, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Summer reading

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you reading?

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 13, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just finished Dracula, and am about 3/4 of the way through Snow Crash. I have no idea what TRSS is reading, but i thought I’d chime in.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 13, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snow Crash is a terrific novel…one of the more inventive books I’ve read.

by drjeo on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m spending my summer reading facebook comments on other people’s profiles.

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

as strange as that sounds, I’m guessing your going to come across some interesting ones

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Jun 15, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am reading Truth in Comedy, Choke and am going to read another Palahniuk book or two

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 14, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is everyone reading? I’m between books and could use some recommendations.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Confederacy of Dunces.

by skipkirk on Jun 14, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another excellent novel, although I thought it was less humorous than billed.

by drjeo on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just googled it, and it sounds interesting.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 14, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finished reading Malcom Gladwell’s Outliers and The Tipping Point not long ago. They’re absolute must-reads. Right now I’m reading Michael Crichton’s Next. Interesting but at times confusing since he’s got so many story lines going on. There doesn’t seem to be one or two main characters that the overall plot is based around.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Jun 14, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now I’m reading Gladwell’s book What the Dog Saw, which is a collection of his stories from The New Yorker. They’re all very interesting, like his other writings.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 17, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read WtDS about a month ago. The content is hit-and-miss depending upon each collection, but I really enjoyed the Enron story and the Creativity story.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 17, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just finished the Big Short which is awesome, and am resuming Crime and Punishment.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 14, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really a big poster around here, but I’m a bit of a Star Wars nerd and there are a few very good books if you’re into sci-fi. The Revenge of the Sith novelization is an awesome book and puts the movie in a whole new light. It also doesn’t require any more background than just watching the movies.

by Legoman0721 on Jun 14, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just realized a week or so ago that I have only seen the first Star Wars movie, and never Return of the Jedi or Empire Strikes Back.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 14, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just realised that you’ve missed a huge part of movie history. Now how are you going to find out that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker’s father?!

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s probably why I was never in a rush to watch them, I know what happens already.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, so I assume you also already knew that Rose Bud was the sled and Snape kills Dumbledore?

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember that I was in camp when the 6th book came out I was at camp and ONE PERSON had to get the book and blab.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew about Rose Bud, but I have no idea what Snape or Dumbledore is so I am not worried about that one.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 16, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, RD, your geek quotient is really taking a beating here….

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know what a snape or a dumbledoor was either.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read that a while back, and it is definitely a good read.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got back from vacation in Aruba and read The Big Short on my trip, and I can agree that it was fantastic. It’s a must-read for anyone who wants to understand what created the financial crisis of the past few years, and Michael Lewis tells the story in a very interesting fashion, as always. I highly recommend it.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 17, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

any book by Brian Greene, but I particularly recommend “Fabric of the Cosmos.” It goes through the different physical theories of the universe in chronological order in terms that are easy for most people to understand. So not only do you get to learn the various theories being floated around by physicists today but you also get the historical perspective.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course, if you’ve never read it, To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my all-time favorite books.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine too. Atticus Finch is who I hope to be as a father someday.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 14, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, maybe I’ll get to that when I finish Flatterland.

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I started a book this morning, though I’ll file any and all recommendations away for future reference.

Crime and Punishment is as good as a book gets and the only one mentioned so far that I’ve read.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and the last couple of books I’ve read are Time is the Simplest Thing by Clifford Simak ans The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad. Recommend them both.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have read other Dostoevsky each of which I consider amongst my favorites. However, I had yet to read Crime and Punishment, so I figured it was time.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 14, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to read The Devils/The Possessed. If you haven’t read Notes from Underground, you should. It’s among his best, but rarely gets mentioned as such.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never read Dostoevsky but one of these days I’ll get around to it. I like to mix my reading up by reading something modern and then a classic. I’ve got Moby Dick and Robinson Crusoe on the shelf waiting for me.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Jun 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shutter Island. Pretty creepy

by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 14, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

good book, good movie.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 14, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rereading Huck Finn right now. The archetypal adventure of traveling down a river appeals to me very much.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to re-read that now…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never got why they were riding the river down stream. Wasn’t the point to help the Widow’s slave escape? Why not head north like everyone else? I remember something about his family, but that’s about it.

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

its just a great story and its soo well written. its fiction not non-fiction so it doesn’t 100% have to make logical sense anyways; its just a story.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 15, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically, it’s fictional non-fiction.

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true. historical fiction.

I agree, it doesn’t make that much sense…I still love the book.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m always a fan of anything written by Dean Koontz

A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright

by Kimble_79 on Jun 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the process of finishing up the Halo Series. Before you knock it for being a book based on a video game, they really give the authors creative freedom and the books turn out superb. It’s definetly an amazing sci – fi read if you’re interested.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ch 1. Master Chief shoots his gun.

Ch 2. Master Chief shoots his other gun.

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not even close. Most of the books aren’t even about him or the Halos.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re obviously not a fan of VG Cats. :P

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want some great Sci-Fi, try the foundation series. Asimov is brilliant…so is bradbury, and Heinlein too.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 15, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got a book of Sci-Fi short stories from Asimov, Bradbury, and many other greats. I’ve reread the stories so many times, especially Asimov’s Little Lost Robot.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Jun 15, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a good one by asimov

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone read anything by David McCollough? I read 1776 and was blown away. I’ve got The Johnstown Flood and want to read his books on John Adams and the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Jun 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You usually can’t go wrong with Pulitzer winners.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Jun 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought 1776 was fantastic. it read very easily and quickly. i get irritated by authors that try to sound super-intelligent just for the sake of being super-intelligent. 1776 didn’t do that, despite the complexity of some of the issues involved. it just told me a story. good stuff.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have always been a fan of him when it came to history books. I really want to read that one called “american lion” (though not by him) that came out within the last year about Andrew Jackson

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never read them, but my dad, a major history buff, says they are better than a normal pop-history but aren’t really that great as far as giving the whole story, and at times ignore major contributing factors to events.

again, I have no idea how true that is, but I’m inclined to take his word for it.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

that oftentimes does happen with some of the more prolific history authors who crank history books out almost like they are Stephen King, especially Mcullough. they don’t tell completely the whole story but give a good “pop-history” which still isn’t bad. I like guys who have written a lot but only on or two books that went very mainstream and became a big bestseller and popular…they generally don’t write as much “pop history”

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever read The Devil in the White City by Erik Larsen? Terrific book.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 16, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looked it up, and it sounds excellent.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the most enjoyable books i had to read in high school. very interesting book.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try The Battle of Brooklyn by John Gallagher. I’m don’t think it was a best seller, but definitely a good read – if you like history.

by JustBob on Jun 16, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Separate Piece ( I think thats what its called)

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my favorites.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not meaning to offend anyone, but I strongly dislike books.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone in school dislikes books. I certainly did.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose I’m a little different then as I’ve always enjoyed books. But a love of literature definitely grows as you grow. When you are younger, literature is just stories; when you grow older, literature is ideas.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 14, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree, though I might have taken to books a lot earlier had the books we were assigned been better than My Antonia and The Scarlet Letter. It’s almost like the curriculum was designed to make you hate books.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Jr. year English teacher tried to make me read T.S.L. Wasn’t about to happen, no f – ing way.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 14, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha! yeah.

I loved 11th grade english for me.

-All the Kings Men (wordy but a great read)

-Pride and Prejudice

-The Theban Plays by Sophocles (Oedipus Rex, Oedipus at colonus, and Antigone)

-Macbeth

-Invisible Man (tough read but interesting)

-A Tale of Two Cities (maybe my all time favorite)

I would hate to read TS elliot

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 14, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone I know says Pride and Prejudice is by far the worst book ever written.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 15, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

its actually a good book…even though its kinda girly. Very good read…better than anything the Bronte’s ever wrote or better than any other Jane Austen. Probably the weakest we read though…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wuthering Heights is superb.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have not read that one…I didn’t hear it was that good.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve got to want to read that one. The Heathcliff/Linton/Earnshaw family tree is puzzling.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone I know loved it. except for the people who hate reading…

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

My daughters have been trying to get me to read it only so that I can then really enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.

by JustBob on Jun 16, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the words of Mark Twain, “Classics are books nobody wants to read.”

by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 15, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disliked books until about a year after college.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 14, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same. It wasn’t until I could read what I wanted to read that I started devouring books one after the other.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 14, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. nobody likes being forced to read something. reading a book you like is great, but being forced to read something you have no interest in is torture.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree…although my 11th grade English teacher was awesome and the books we had to read were great anyways. I only hated the really crappy books I was forced to read in school (like great expectations) and some of the books we read that year I had been meaning to read anyways.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

“It’s only work if someone makes you do it” – Calvin (in Calvin and Hobbes of course).

by skipkirk on Jun 15, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have three Calvin and Hobbes compilations upstairs right now.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m from the hometown of Bill Waterson, and had “Miss Wormwood” as a substitute teacher many times. Sadly, she passed away a couple years ago.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s pretty cool- was she based upon the person, or was she actually named Miss Wormwood?

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jun 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

her real name was Ruth Maus, and she used to be a full time teacher when Waterson went to school, but by the time I rolled around she was a sub.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is awesome.

C&H is by far my favorite. Spaceman Spiff is still my favorite Halloween costume.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 16, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s an independant book store in town called Fireside, and Waterson used to go in, find a C&H book, sign it, and put it back on the shelf. unfortunately I don’t think he does it any more because it attracts too much attention.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. I have every C&H compilation book published. I used to read them before I went to bed in junior high school — my parents said they could hear my down in my room laughing at night.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 17, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

then you will recognize this. this is on the back cover of essential calvin and hobbes, its a drawing of my hometown.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s your hometown?

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 17, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chagrin Falls maybe?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 18, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bross got it, Chagrin Falls

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Jun 18, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I just knew that was where waterson was from.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 20, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have The Complete Calvin and Hobbes?

It’s got stuff that the paperback collections don’t have.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 17, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I do not. What extra stuff does it have?

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 17, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just double checked, and it depends on what collected editions you have. If you have the paperback Treasury Editions (Essential, Authoritative and Indispensible) you have everything, I think. If you have the earlier collections you’re missing all of the extras added to the Treasury Editions and, subsequently, to the Complete box set.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Jun 17, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people disliked being made to read…I liked reading much more own my own.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jun 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

moon’s post – again.

by JustBob on Jun 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Summer of ’49 by David Halberstam

Haven’t really read a good new football book since The GM a year or two ago.

by Mike Beckwith on Jun 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of the posts that have been going up really aren’t comment-friendly posts, especially since mini-camp usually means nothing compared to training camp in the grand scheme of things. We’re maintaining the same traffic levels in June as usual (I check the hit counter daily).

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Jun 13, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m working on a few posts. Starting with a few more general offensive strategy posts, on to specific plays we ran with success, then to trying to figure out if Daboll knew what he was doing in the passing game. Still looking for my footage of college games for Colt and Haden’s film.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reference to the Cribbs catch made me wonder how much his lack of production at WR was due to QB play? Good QBs can make many mediocre WRs look decent. Can Jake make a difference for our WR corps and can he play a better role in setting up the wildcat and other trick plays?

Someone made a comment a while back that Jake’s surgery needed a full year recovery. I’ve got my fingers crossed…

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by Spidey on Jun 13, 2010 11:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well if the above photo is any indication. His ability to cross his arms might indicate he has superior skill in relation to the photo that shows DA and BQ just holding their arms out.

Ya must have rocks in ya head to work in Iraq?
Yeah but at least mine are shiny!

by Suppa Bob on Jun 14, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just “swung and missed” the QB group hug that DA and BQ were readying themselves for is all.

by Nuclear Power on Jun 14, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have seen so far, our QBs were not good last year (surprise!)

But also, Cribbs wasn’t that good of a WR. I think we can use him more effectively in the “normal” offense, but they will have to get creative to keep defenses honest (i.e. when Cribbs comes in the game, the defense can’t know we are just going to throw to him in the flat…or anything similar to that).

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by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am reading alot of Penthouse, and Penthouse Letters Lately

I have an appointment with an Orthopedic doc, to help me find out why my right hand is now a claw.

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by champion64 on Jun 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Um, no we don’t.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

as we’ve been over before, i believe professional cheerleaders are barely more than strippers who keep their clothes on. no thanks.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

strippers who keep their clothes on

not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by drjeo on Jun 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and we also need to cut jake delhomme…

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 14, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree all the leadership he has shown and the chemistry he is building with the young receivers we don’t need any of that. Lets cut all the older has beens we can suffer the ups and downs of a young team. Yay

Ya must have rocks in ya head to work in Iraq?
Yeah but at least mine are shiny!

by Suppa Bob on Jun 15, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

sarcasm, directed at champion64. i think delhomme will be great for this team, in more ways than one.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he would be great, though I don’t believe its out of the question. I think he’ll be decent and there aren’t better options out there.

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by bross09 on Jun 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In favor of starting…

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was being sarcastic. champion64 said that in another post, and i find it to be completely ridiculous, just like this cheerleader comment.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, thank you. I did not get it across multiple sets of comments. In fact, I thought I had remembered you liking Delhomme or at least being OK with him.

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by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i think overall he’ll be very good for this team. his play may not be pro bowl level, but i think he’ll be solid, and certainly better than last year’s mess. more importantly, i think his attitude and veteran influence will be great, considering we have a lot of youngsters. i’m just not getting all of the doom and gloom people are projecting from him. no one is saying he’s the future of the franchise, he’s just someone decent to help get us over the hump.

even if none of this comes true, for anyone to say he should be cut at this point is just ridiculous and senseless.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, Delhomme was let go because of his play in Carolina. Even though it removes his salary for this uncapped year, the Panthers are still on the hook for over 12 million dollars to Delhomme. He was out played by an UNDRAFTED quarterback who was let go from Dallas. Matt Moore. Delhomme was never steady, he has always had ups and downs with far more offensive weapons in Carolina. To be under the delusion Delhomme will do anything more than be average at best is a FAN with rose colored glasses on. AND it is just my opinion. I WANT THE BROWNS TO WIN AS MUCH AS ANYONE. They had to get out from under Brady Quinn. Quinn dropped in the draft because he could not get the ball deep to the receivers. The Browns drafted Quinn out of need even though he was not going to be a great quarterback, but they took a shot. Delhomme was brought in and so was Seneca Wallace but in my opinion the Browns are not much better in the quarterback position at the begininng of this year. THIS IS WHY THE BROWNS OFFERED a TON for Bradford. I actually hope you are right and I am wrong and Delhomme is great. Honestly I do

by champion64 on Jun 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i assume you were replying to me. i have no problem with that explanation and can appreciate that. you have to see that it would be ridiculous for the team to cut him though, don’t you?

i truly believe what i said above, i think he’ll be goood for us in more than one way; and that too is just an opinion. lets call a truce on this battle.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beautiful.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you, I’m glad you did this so I don’t have to.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, bud? Brady through the ball deep a number of occasions. AND WE KNOW DELHOMME WILL BE AVERAGE. We haven’t had an average QB since Couch and maybe even thats a stretch.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brady dropped in the draft because of his erratic accuracy and a bunch of teams didn’t need to spend 1st round picks on QBs.

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by rufio on Jun 16, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yuhp. The kid still could bomb it though

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 16, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delhomme is a boob. You will clamour for his benching, then pretend you didn’t like him the whole time. Holmgren said he offered at the out most limit of what he could but the Rams were set on drafting Bradford. He called the Rams 20 minutes before the draft. (NFL.COM check it out) DOES that sound like a resounding vote of confidence for Jake? I stick to my rational opinion Delhomme is a waste and will prove to be a over the hill quarterback. If you think McCoy who is closer to 5’11" then 6’1" is going to be a quality quarteback you are fooling yourself. Can you say Ty Detmer? Oh wait we can start Seneca Wallace (who is 5’11") and in the league for his 8th year and has average 80 pass attempts a year, and I am sure he will shine. Who is next Gary Coleman? Oh wait he is dead.

by champion64 on Jun 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Mate, seriously, click the reply button to reply to individual comments (I assume you’re replying to golan here).

Anyway, yeah we did call up the Rams. But even then if you think Bradford was gunna start this season you’re hugely mistaken.
People here are divided over Delhomme. Some think he could be solid, some think he’s pants. I have the latter feeling too. Like you.

But like everyone is saying, it’s irrational to keep posting here asking for him to be cut. It’s also annoying telling everyone he sucks over and over.

by skipkirk on Jun 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

why so defensive over Delhomme? I laugh at your comments, especially the shine remark.

by champion64 on Jun 15, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laugh at your comments.

Haha funny, cuz everyone laughs at you! Haha.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with him. It is funny to think of Delhomme as solid at this point in his career. That would mean he is in the same group as QBs like E Manning, Kolb, Young, Palmer, Flacco, etc.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 15, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a the quarterback of the future coming from next year’s draft.

by champion64 on Jun 15, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry hotshot, you agreeing doesn’t really bolster his case.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kolb has yet to do anything in the league, and Vince Young is a year removed from sitting the bench while another old, washed up quarterback led the Titans to a 13-3 record. if they’re considered solid, then we probably should have kept DA (who has done more than both combined in the league)

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by golanbatrac on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year VY was solid-pretty good when he came in, which is the reason the Titans finished well.

Kolb showed promise in the couple games he played in.

Delhomme was terrible last year.

I’d bet anything that Kolb and / or Young does better than Delhomme.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 15, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt VY can ever stay a reliable passer, the man came in at half the year and tossed the ball. Okay? Let me see a full season of him actually trying.

He’ll run to his mommy, just like he did on the field two seasons ago.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year VY was solid-pretty good when he came in

so did Jerome Harrison and Matt Roth but they aren’t THIS overrated because of some potental (because of pure physical ability).

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by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most people here say Harrison is a solid RB.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

most people think he is decent, but he is not in the class of comparable RB talent that he put VY in. VY is definitely overrated and there has to be some question about his long term ability to perform, just like people here have expressed some doubt if harrison can be a feature back or if Roth can get 8-9 sacks next year.

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by bross09 on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m just basing it off me thinking he will be solid next year. The Titans were much better when he took over.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

and the browns were better with Quinn than with DA last year…I am not going to base my opinion on a guy on a few good games and his team playing well.

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by bross09 on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d much rather have mediocre Delhomme than Vince “I get in fights on tape outside strip clubs” Young

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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was in the club…

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I would want nothing to do with VY.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is far from gauranteed that he is mediocre.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it is guaranteed VY got in a fight at a strip club.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t affect him as a player.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

suspensions affect players, ask roethlesberger.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It absolutely does.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 18, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m disappointed that’s the best you can do.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m disappointed you think VY has proven more than Jake Delhomme

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by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that last year Delhomme proved he isn’t good anymore.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think last year VY proved virtually nothing.

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by bross09 on Jun 18, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and those three or four bad years brett favre had proved he was no good too, right?

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by notthatnoise on Jun 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you call those ‘bad years’, I’d love to see what you call Delhomme’s year

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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

obviously, a bad year for favre is not a bad year for delhomme, just like a bad year from Peyton Manning wouldn’t be the same as a bad year for Jeff Garcia.

compared to how good they were as players when they were good, they were similarly bad years.

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by bross09 on Jun 20, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

2005: 6.4 YPA, 20TD 29INT
everyone was convinced he was done. the next year he had 18TD and 18INT with 6.3 YPA and 56% completions.

sure, that not too terrible, but it is pretty bad.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

formatting error, only the too is supposed to be italisized.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually now that I look at it, about the only difference between Delhomme’s 2009 and Favre’s 2006 is that Jake threw less TDs, which could be expected with that backfield.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Delhomme plays like he did 2 years ago, he will be better than Young and Flacco, and probably Palmer.

He won’t play like he did 2 years ago, but are you honestly thinking he can’t approach Flacco? Without the obvious youth and hope of improvement, of course.

Delhomme can teach the youngsters, not throw picks, and complete over 55% of his passes. I’ll settle for that this year.

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by rufio on Jun 16, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Delhomme interceptions for the past two FULL seasons and he has 30 interceptions to only 23 Touchdowns. Yeah I think we should let the rookies learn that. Nice post moron. It is the player he is now. HE BLOWS!

by champion64 on Jun 16, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Delhomme interceptions for the past two FULL seasons and he has 30 interceptions to only 23 Touchdowns.

He had 15 TDs and 12 INTs in 2008 and an 84.7 rating. I’ll take that this year.

Adding a bad season to a good season doesn’t make both seasons bad.

Yeah I think we should let the rookies learn that.

The only rookie we have that would be learning to throw interceptions is McCoy, and you’re already convinced that McCoy is no better than Ty Detmer, so what’s it to you.

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by golanbatrac on Jun 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moron?

Seriously, grow up.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are calling me a moron, now?

Watch yourself.

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by rufio on Jun 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes! This is good, because now we have a reason to block him

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 16, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post moron. It is the player he is now. HE BLOWS!

Cleveland.com awaits!

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 16, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Delhomme Derek Anderson plays like he did 2 years ago, he will be better than Young and Flacco, and probably Palmer

That’s what everyone said last year.

Plus I would take Flacco’s 09 over Jake’s 08

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 16, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had faith in DA last year? Really? Man, that was a bad move on my part if true.

I think the situations are obviously different: Delhomme has been a solid-to-very good (but not elite) QB for a good chunk of his career, with one awful year. DA has been a very good QB one year and pretty bad for the rest of his career.

Flacco is just not a great QB yet. But he doesn’t have to be to win.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not you, but there were plenty of people around here. I’m just saying that you can’t just always expect someone to come back from a down year

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would’ve been in Rufio’s arena if I was on here then. I have never been a huge DA fan to begin with.

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by bross09 on Jun 17, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s just the thing: DA never had a “down year”, his whole career is “down”. If anything, he came back down from an “up year”.

Delhomme has been pretty consistently an average QB or better, and for only one year has he approached DA-level terribleness.

Young will fall on his face because he just doesn’t get it, Palmer has not been very good the past few years, putting up large numbers because he has to be a large part of the volume of the offense, and Flacco is pretty efficient but looks good because he has one of the league’s best rushing attacks. He doesn’t have to throw much, and when he does he has the benefit of the defense having to respect his awesome running game.

Its not that Delhomme will be awesome, its that the guys you listed aren’t great.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 17, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if Delhomme’s down year came in the middle of his career I would say he can recover, but he is almost done.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he hasn’t had any kind of physical decline yet, there’s no reason he doesn’t have a few decent years left.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was trying to force the ball when he shouldn’t have a lot and it seems his arm strength has declined.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you watch players who have ACL surgery, they don’t get back to full speed for a year and a half.

If you watch players who have TJ surgery…

The problem was that Delhomme was trying to force the ball, which is something he will have to rebound from this year. To think that he can’t is pretty absurd.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jun 18, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not everyone recovers from TJ surgery

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. not everyone recovers from even simple surgeries. nothing is 100%, especially in medicine. It is not guaranteed that Delhomme will fully recover, but the odds are pretty good…especially with modern medicine.

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by bross09 on Jun 20, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Garcia had a down year at 35 and then had a couple really good seasons with some fairly bland offenses…not saying that you should count on that turn around but there is a precedent for people thinking it can happen.

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by bross09 on Jun 18, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia? Don’t think I like him, sounds skittish.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Jun 21, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

who wouldn’t have been behind that line?

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by notthatnoise on Jun 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly…garcia started to turn into the veteran on crap teams with no protection.

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by bross09 on Jun 21, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me exactly where I’m being ‘defensive over Delhomme’.

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by golanbatrac on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn’t get it golan, he’ll never get it. i thought he and i had come to an understanding but then he goes off on another rant.

i think at one point i used the word “great” with delhomme, but also said it would be for a number of reasons, not just on field performance.

wonderful replies though. well played.

by Dawg Nuts on Jun 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he doesn’t get it and he’ll never get it. Even so, I’m looking forward to kicking him around a bit.

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by golanbatrac on Jun 15, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s quite fun, the dude doesn’t know when to quit. It’s like we’re on an episode of Bully Beatdown.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that show, but find the host annoying.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has his moments.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he is terrible.

"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz

by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 16, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ty Detmer.

I prefer Jeff Garcia. Short QB, Average arm, Good mobility and a ballsy player on the field.

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by bross09 on Jun 16, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colt McCoy was measured as 6-1 at the combine. thats the most accurate measurement of a football player you will ever get.

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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy is a legit 6’1". He was measured at the combine along with every other player there and came in at 6 feet, 1 and 1/8ths inches. Reports from the PD reporters have him looking like he is 6’1" as well, if scientific measurement is not your thing.

Stop spouting nonsense and learn to use the reply button.

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by rufio on Jun 16, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy will never be any better than a Ty Detmer.

by champion64 on Jun 16, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ty Detmer wasn’t bad for a 9th round pick playing on bad teams

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DetmTy00.htm

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by notthatnoise on Jun 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably.

What is your point?

by Bernie19Kosar on Jun 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he’s still 6’1".

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by rufio on Jun 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy will never be any better than a Ty Detmer.

Man, I love completely unsupported statements.

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 16, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what champignon64 is trying to say is that he thinks “That ain’t no Carson Palmer back there.” Or he’s just here to spam and be abusive. I’m not sure.

by JustBob on Jun 16, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he just wants to brag for being the only guy in the MGD 64 chug contest. His name is deceiving; he lost.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 16, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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