Cleveland Browns Training Camp 2010: QB Preview, Part II (McCoy's Role in Camp)
It's time for Part II of our Cleveland Browns QB Training Camp preview. In Part I, we discussed the top two players on the depth chart: Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Today, we turn our attention to players with a whole lot less experience.
3. COLT MCCOY - 3RD STRING / DEVELOPMENT QUARTERBACK
Colt McCoy (#12)
Height: 6-1
Weight: 216
Age: 23
Experience: Rookie
College: Texas
Note: Slipped to the 3rd round, not expected to contribute this year.
When the SB Nation Mock Draft took place several months ago, I picked Colt McCoy to go to the Browns 38th overall. When team president Mike Holmgren passed him up twice in the second round, it seemed as if the team's interest in him, or any other young quarterback in the 2010 draft, had waned.
Then, at 85th overall, to the delight of Browns fans, the team went back on the clock and selected McCoy. Two things were for sure regarding McCoy: he fits the West Coast Offense and he's incredibly accurate. Funny enough, initial reports indicated that Holmgren would help oversee the installation of a West Coast Offense in Cleveland. Also, McCoy would be the polar opposite of Anderson and Quinn in terms of accuracy and completion percentage. With those two factors in his favor, would McCoy be thrown into a quarterback competition this year?
Simply put, the answer is no. Heck, there won't even be a competition between Delhomme and Wallace. While the depth chart still has yet to be officially confirmed by Mangini, the offseason vibes from Holmgren and company indicate that McCoy will sit and learn this season. A great foundation has been laid out for McCoy so that one day, perhaps even later this season if the team is ridiculously out of contention, be the Browns' starting quarterback:
- While Delhomme wants to start, he's appreciative of his opportunity and is the type of player who would gladly mentor McCoy as much as he can along the way. You can't say that Anderson or Quinn would've even known how to mentor a fellow quarterback. Neither of them really had the luxury of learning behind someone with experience though.
- There isn't a lot of pressure on McCoy to "save the franchise," seeing as he was a third-round pick. McCoy exhibits a strong work ethic, seems to be a class act, and seemed to be a leader with Texas. Under the management of Holmgren and company, who have had a track record of working well with quarterbacks, McCoy can take advantage of picking their brains left and right.
- He'll use his time in camp to start making the transition away from being a spread offense quarterback. When Delhomme is ready to give up the reigns (ideally after a year or two), McCoy will have an offensive line to dream of, a good running back tandem, and several young receivers to work with. That's a far cry from the opportunity that guys like Tim Couch and Charlie Frye received.
This write-up might seem more like a general intro to McCoy as opposed to a camp preview, but it was important to pound one thing into everyone's head: as good or as bad as McCoy looks in August, it won't lead to playing time during the regular season. For once, we have the opportunity to bring a quarterback into an ideal situation -- let's hope it works out.
Various Concerns / Comments - I'll be interested in seeing how quickly McCoy cuts into Ratliff's camp time. Usually the veteran quarterbacks receive a few more reps at first. I don't really see McCoy getting much, if any, work with the first team offense. He shouldn't be too concerned with getting acclimated to that unit in camp either; that's what Delhomme, and to a lesser extent Wallace, need to do. If you are looking for a piece to get more hyped about McCoy, I remember this article from Midwest Sports Fans a few months ago.
This is what I am already liking about McCoy, which comes from a Terry Pluto article a month ago:
Since camp ended, McCoy has been on the phone or computer most evenings with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, as they work through the playbook together. Some of these sessions last two hours. McCoy does have a hunger for the mental side of the game.
Final Roster Odds: 100%
Practice Squad Odds: 0%
4. BRETT RATLIFF - COMPETING FOR BACKUP QUARTERBACK SPOT
Brett Ratliff (#5)Height: 6-4
Weight: 224
Age: 24
Experience: 3 years
College: Utah
Note: Might still be coveted by Mangini, but it'd be hard to justify keeping 4 QBs.
With all of the struggles that Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson had last year, you almost have to wonder, "why didn't Brett Ratliff receive an opportunity to play?"
Ratliff is still young. At 24, he's not much older than McCoy. When the Browns acquired him in a trade last year, I thought it was a fair pickup because I had seen Ratliff face the Browns in the preseason a year earlier. One preseason game isn't a lot to judge a guy on, but Ratliff showed decent arm strength and good pocket presence, staying patient enough to deliver some deep passes against out defense.
Then when Ratliff played in the preseason last year with Cleveland, I found myself rooting for Richard Bartel to make the roster over him.
With two veterans and a "newer" youngster ahead of him on the depth chart, unless an injury occurs, I don't see how Ratliff makes the roster. I'm always against the notion of having four quarterbacks, especially since we already have a player in Joshua Cribbs who can double as a quarterback.
Back in March, our Atlanta Falcons SB Nation affiliate discussed the thought of Ratliff being an option for their team as a backup. I see Ratliff lasting through most of camp, working with the second-teamers early on and then eventually shifting to the third-teamers as McCoy gets more acclimated to the offense. Another option to consider is that if McCoy holds out for part of camp, Ratliff could see extended work.
Various Concerns / Comments - Ratliff's NFL career isn't close to being done by any means, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him land a No. 3 role on another team.
Final Roster Odds: 25%
QB Position Quality (Overall): C+
Heading into the season, we'll be pegged as having one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league due to the uncertainty that Delhomme brings to the table. Wallace has a lot of experience as a backup quarterback under Holmgren though, and with McCoy being placed in a situation in which he can develop, the Browns get a very generous "C+" at the quarterback position.
Next up, Ryan Kelsey will attack the running back position. I look forward to seeing what he comes up with! Before the week comes to a close, we'll finish with a brief article covering the fullbacks.
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Moon should write about the fullbacks.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 22, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
I’d love to get mooncamping to write a guest article called, “mooncamping previews the 2010 Cleveland Browns,” where he’d have free reign to tell all. It’d be a perfect complement to our training camp previews.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jun 22, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That’d be great. I am sure he is planning on giving us some preseason tidbits anyway. Has he done his 2010 cheques yet?
The Mooncamping Idiosyncrasy Defense and Appreciation Society is solidly in support of this idea.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wikipedia has no files on the MIDAS group…
Oh wait.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Moon actually accurately predict who would be on the roster a year ago?
by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
2012, 13, or later would be a long time to wait. I don’t think Delhomme would last that long.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 22, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
At a minimum, 2012-2013 means that Delhomme would have to last two years (2010-2011 season, and the 2011-2012 season). It’s not too long of a wait, but I can see that the votes for Delhomme only lasting one year are starting to increase.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
I think McCoy will start at some point next season (2011) but not at the beginning of the season, and since that wasn’t an option I chose 2012. But I think he’ll get an opportunity in 2011 if he’s showing progress.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Question to all
IF Delhomme is horrible and can’t move the team at all or even if it is that he gets hurt and can’t play, do you think the rush McCoy to start by the end of this year, or do they start Wallace and live with him till 2011? At any time would they start Ratliff, or will he only be brought back in the case of Delhomme or Wallace being hurt and out for the year?
Some fans might want to rush McCoy to start, but I think Holmgren brought Wallace in to fill that role if necessary, so I would expect them to go with Wallace just like Seattle did when Hasselbeck got injured.
I think they go will go with Wallace. I don’t think Colt does anything more than his sideline Peyton Manning impersonation and looks through picture binders the whole season. Which would be a good thing.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Unless we have another freak season in which both Delhome and Wallace go down. No helping it then.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
OMG. Look at the Mullet. so beautiful…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think even if there are injuries, unless they are just blown away with McCoy in camp, that they would pick up some other QB with experience(who I have no idea) rather than bring in McCoy……i think they are committed to giving him time to learn….which it sounds like he is embracing with lots of extra time, but Quinn also had that same work ethic…
is there a guy they could grab? It seems there is always someone….but maybe they’ll try to get Ratliff on the practice squad for that reason, he was horrible last season so I cannot see anyone else wanting him.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
My question is
Do you see McCoy as a starter someday? You say there is no way that he starts this season, and rightly so. But there is a strong QB class coming in next year’s draft. Assuming the Browns get a shot at Locker, Mallet or Luck, would you stay in the McCoy camp without any game experience, or try and pick up a QB who is a top 10 draft talent? I just don’t often see a team put all of thier eggs (for the future) in a QB who is picked in the 3rd round.
If we get the chance to get a top 10 QB next year, we’re taking him. At that point, we’re asking ourselves if Delhome did enough to stay with us. If he was terrible, I expect him to be axed in favor of the rookie (hopefully) coming into great running game with Hardesty and solid defense to take care of him ala Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jun 23, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i doubt we’d take a QB unless it is a sam bradford type player that we absolutely couldn’t pass on; and if that is the case. we’re probably picking top 5 and will all be suicidal over another disastrous season. with what we have and colt waiting in the wings, i think we still have enough other holes to fill.
but, as i said, i’d say there is a slight chance if we’re within the top 5 picks and there is a complete no brainer at QB sitting there for us we’d take him. but i would much, much rather be picking up a RT at around pick 18 to 20 though, coming off a half decent 7-9 or 8-8 season.
I think I would draft Luck if he improves again this year. Mallet (drugs) and Locker (accuracy) scare me.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Agree.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
would someone have a link of some sort with additional information about Mallet & any of his “recreational activities”?
I live in Arkansas and I have never heard of any indications that Mallet has any off field problems, character issues, etc. Provided he has another outstanding year at UA, I would definitely want the Browns to consider drafting him.
by BrownsFanInAR on Jun 26, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There have been rumors that he did crack, but as far as i can tell there’s never been any substance to it. It honestly sounds like something a bunch of bitter michigan fans started.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jun 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Michigan fans suck at life.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 27, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. I have heard this before, yet I haven’t seen anything concrete.
Until that happens, I think Mallet is the top QB on the board.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 1, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Delhomme can give us two serviceable years so that we can give Colt adequate time to learn the position without being Tim Couched while also giving us a second chance at grabbing a guy and sitting him for a year if we don’t think Colt is going to be the answer.
Besides Couch and DA in ‘08 have we even had a starting QB who didn’t get the job by default (he was on the squad and everyone else sucked)? It’s a weird feeling to think we might be in a situation where we can actually develop a QB with talent and not have to a) rush a possibly talented QB (Couch, Quinn) or b) have to get excited over a bunch of neverwas’s (no idea how to spell that). Not including the skittish one of course.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Me too, and recommended for using Tim Couch as a verb.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Couch never had the offensive line that the Browns have right now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Your attempts to create an alternate reality through plain pretending you are right will fail.
Colt McCoy was a steal in the third round, and I remember a certain QB guru, saying he would never develop a quarterback that was drafted above round 3. I also remember an interview where Colt McCoy stated emphatically that he would go to the team that appreciates him. Once again here are his credentials:
Records:
UT – Most Total Touchdowns, Career: 102 (Took lead on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri)14
UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 85 (Took lead on September 20, 2008 versus Rice)12
UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Single Season: 29, (2006 season),6 broke own record in 2008
UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Single Season: 34, (2008 season – reached 30 on November 15, 2008 vs. the Kansas Jayhawks) 13
UT – Most Touchdown Passes, Game: 6, (October 14, 2006 versus Baylor)
UT – Most Passing Completions, Game: 41, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)63
UT – Most Consecutive Passing Completions, Game: 18 (October 25, 2008 versus Oklahoma State (surpassed his own record of 17 on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri).14
UT – Most Career wins as a quarterback: 45 (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Vince Young, also most career wins in FBS history)15
UT – Most Career passing yards, Season: 3,594+ yards (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Major Applewhite)15
UT – Tie – Most Passing Attempts, Game: 58, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)63
NCAA – Highest Single Season completion percentage: 77.6%.97
NCAA – Most wins by a starting quarterback in NCAA Division I history with 45.98
NCAA – Tied for second place for most passing touchdowns by a freshman with 29 alongside Nevada’s David Neill in 1998 52
NCAA Colt McCoy is the only quarterback in college football history to have at least ten wins per season during all four seasons.
[edit]College awards and honors:
2006 “All Freshman Team” by College Football News8
2006 "National Freshman of the Year" by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus99
2006 Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.19
2006 Valero Alamo Bowl Offensive MVP
2008 Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Offensive MVP
2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press100
2008 Second-team All-Big 12 by the Associated Press101
2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation102
2008 First-team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation,103 FWAA,104 and Sports Illustrated105
2008 Archie Griffin Award106
2008 co-Sporting News Player of the Year107
2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up 108
2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP
2009 First-team All-American by Associated Press, AFCA, FWAA109, Walter Camp Foundation 110, Rivals.com, Scout.com
2009 First-team All-Big 12 111
2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year 111
2009 NCAA Quarterback of the Year 112
2009 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award 113
2009 Davey O’Brien Award
2009 Chic Harley Award 112
2009 Maxwell Award
2009 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
2009 Sporting News College Athlete of the Year
2009 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year 114
You make it look like he´s just another chump.
Well stated moon.
I am a huge Longhorn and Colt McCoy fan – so this is biased – but what I like about Colt – is that his character, integrity, work ethic, and leadership are superior to all the accomplishments you listed. This kid jumped from a “one stop light” town to the State University. Everyone questioned why the Horns would waste a scholly on him. He entered the program at 170 lbs – and built himself into 216 pounds of solid muscle. He was so popular the OL, that they celebrated like kids when Colt benched 300 lbs for the first time. I hope like hell he has the arm strength, because if he does, this kid is the steal of the draft.
I just love the possibility of using the phrase ‘highly accurate Browns quarterback’ without it being some kind of joke. But again, give him the time to maximize his potential, please.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL DONE MOONY
that is an impressive list, mostly because it is from a big school from a good football conference…..so why did so many teams pass on him? I can see why they passed on Brady years ago, not quite the credentials….was everyone worried about the shoulder?
well, we know he can win, but most encouraging, is the potential for a solid Oline to play behind, with solid runners….could this take that pressure off him?
So, if the situation came up, do the browns turn to him this season? I just don’t see us having any recievers to throw to, though….we’ll see come preseason if these guys can catch the ball.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
We have some real road graders. Mack at guard and Lauvao at scrappy tackle on the right side basically yells “run it!”. Peyton Hillis is a dream of a lead blocker, and he raised the proverbial neck hairs in Denver carrying the ball (funny since he´s a former Razorback). Montario Hardesty is a beauty at tailback. I´ve been waiting for a return to bread and butter ball carrying duos for a while now. Those two can do it. I´ve also been mulling over the idea of bringing in the receivers a bit to complement a hardcore rushing attack. Evan Moore is a very athletic tight end, he could be the not so wide out in certain formations, I´m thinking knock some linebackers over on running plays. You all know I´ve pleaded for a scarier alternative at flanker, conveniently termed “freaky flanker”, what I mean essentially is a fullback with a good set of wheels and good ball handling skills, to give the offensive backfield another alternative on short passing plays, pitches, sweeps and reverses, after the catch scariness being the main factor I´m looking at. Pulling guards. Remember those? Scary predicament for less skilled defensive ends and outside linebackers.
Moon, I actually had a dream the night before last that Joe Thomas and Alex Mack played LT and LG respectively. In my dream I couldn’t believe it and I actually said “Wow… that mooncamping guy actually knew what he was talking about.”
No lie.
by shep615 on Jun 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 24, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure you want me in your dreams. That would seem potentially volatile, I´m so opinionated.
by mooncamping on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m actually agreeing with Moon. UT spent the scholarship on McCoy, because they have a great scouting crew. The kid from a small town was watched for years, so do not be suprised, I will not. I know McCoy will be a good starting QB in the NFL, but will it be with the Browns? I say yes, especially if he’s given the time to be groomed to the spot, and our O Line, and WR corps (especially them) get better. It will be interesting to see the annual Ohio bowl now, with all the UT players being added to the division. BTW, UT recruits the whole country, so I would laugh my butt off if they could steal some player in the top 5 prep in the next few years. Hook Em’ Horns…………….
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Considering how we scaled back our attack last year, and that we managed to shed two unmotivated quarterbacks, I think we could risk a baptism by fire. Have some cojonas FO.
there are risks in throwing him to the wolves. we have a competent veteran QB to hold down the fort, why make a mess of a potential good young QB when it isn’t necessary at this point?
Sooner or later, In Holmgren We Trust?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jun 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
this time a little different
if delhomme plays well, it won’t be like when DA played ‘well’….because the age difference, so Delhomme and Wallace cannot be called upon as the long term solution, which was the whole reason they stuck with DA two years ago……McCoy comes in a complete different situation, with an Oline and some what we think are Quality backs….and I think what will be at least a little better defense and system in general.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
No, is it noteworthy. Maybe you should post a picture of it.
by mooncamping on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now, if you framed it and claimed it was a female deriere, I know some people would be tempted. I´m not like that though.
by mooncamping on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
…This comment should be framed.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 26, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe Colt’s girlfriend?
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 27, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You better not, Colt and his Texas posse might keel you.
by mooncamping on Jun 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
there was no option for “when he’s ready,” so I’m going to abstain.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
Who the f&*k cares when he’s ready!? When JD pulls a DA, he’ll be ready on our terms, not his. He doesn’t write his contract bub.
/sarc.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that Colt doesn’t expect to play at all this year, but I was surprised to note in the photo that he apparently didn’t bother bringing his right arm to camp. Keep it on ice, ready to go when needed, I suppose. Good strategy.
by drjeo on Jun 23, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Luke Skywalker is our 3rd QB?!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted ‘never’ in the poll, but not because I don’t want Colt McCoy to succeed. I just don’t see how we can know when, if ever, he’ll be ready to be our starting QB.
by Western Reserve on Jun 23, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
You can’t sit Colt for 2 yrs, he’ll need to get in there sooner to determine if has what it takes to be the starter. Obviously if he starts today or in 5 yrs he is going to make mistakes. We have to see if he learns from them. .
by HenryDawg on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
05, 06, 07… I counted 3?
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a good point, but I can’t think of too many others who could sit that long without getting discouraged, especially when he was late 3rd round with no expectation to be the franchise like aaron was. Of course if JD plays like BF then who cares?
by HenryDawg on Jun 24, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think it would be much easier to sit having been a late third rounder rather than a first round pick.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jun 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If we let him sit and he doesn’t have it it two years, so what? He was a third rounder.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s ridiculous. Of course we can let McCoy sit and learn for two years if that’s what it will take to give him the best chance to suceed as a starter. Now, I’m not saying that’s necessarily true, but it’s up to the Browns’ coaches and front office to decide and if that’s what they think is best then there is no reason not to do that. Plenty of QB’s have been destroyed by being thrown in there when they weren’t ready, and there is no reason to do that to McCoy.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he could sit 2 yrs, but eventually the team needs to see if he’s the guy or not. What are we going to do? Wait 2 yrs, then a bumpy 3rd year before cutting him 4 yrs from now and starting over? Nobody gets that sort of time anymore (unless, as Dorn said, you’re Aaron Rodgers and you,re sitting behind a HOFer)
by HenryDawg on Jun 24, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I kinda agree with him, just for the fact that we don’t know what the intentions were when he was drafted. If McCoy was drafted just because he was available and not because they thought he is the QB of the future, then there is a chance that the FO would be interested in going in another direction. So it would probably be for the best if he started after one year so we could know if he was really good or not before going after Locker or Luck next year (if that’s what the FO’s direction is)
If not then let him sit for however long he needs.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Shocking you agree with a pessimistic statement.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
how is wanted someone to play sooner than later a pessimist statement? www.dictionary.com
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I assume the overall majoritarian idea for McCoy is to wait two or so years, I would assume that thought process to be optimistic for him. Any other idea having him play sooner rather than later would be the opposite of the former, therefore being pessimistic.
Yah know?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The overall majoritarian idea is for McCoy to sit until he ready, no one knows when that time will be. I see people saying if he needs to sit out for 2 years, then that’s what he should do. So stop speaking for the majority, at least until you figure out what pessimistic means. He’s a little help
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand pessimism.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 26, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That statement is full of faulty logic.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you are always out for my head. I don’t see too much faulty logic, probably some things I said that were worded off but nothing too crazy. You just like trying to bust my chops.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 27, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
naw, it was really some pretty pathetic and reaching logic
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 27, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that. Granted, BB most of the time has every right to shoot me off my pedestal of hi jinks, but sometimes I feel like he comes in out of nowhere due to a bias of me. Just my two cents.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Jun 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you always whine about a bias every time someone says something critical about what you wrote? Why don’t you consider that maybe that person is right and you don’t know what you’re talking about? I guess it’s just easier to pretend that everyone is out to get you, right?
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 28, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re being irrational. When it comes down to it you trolled and when BB called you out on it, you tried to play the victim. I don’t think anyone expects you to admit when you’re wrong but you are, so it may be for the best for you to just give up and move on.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jun 28, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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