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Cleveland Browns Training Camp 2010: TE and FB Preview

We're finishing off our theme of "See Ball, Catch Ball...and Block" this week with a preview of the tight end and fullback positions.

The fullback position only contains one player, but there are five players on the roster competing for a spot as a tight end. Let's start off with the tight ends...

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Tight Ends

1. BEN WATSON - STARTING TIGHT END

8276_mediumBenjamin Watson (#82)
Height:
6-3
Weight: 255
Age: 29
Experience: 6 years
College: Georgia
Note: I think he'll be the team's second leading receiver this year.

Adding Watson to the roster was a key offseason move, as I mentioned here a few weeks ago. After trading Kellen Winslow last offseason, the Browns' first-string tight end last year was Robert Royal. Although we still threw to the tight end fairly often, the same type of contributions weren't being made at the position. I sympathized with what Buffalo fans had been forced to deal with for several years.

I'm very intrigued by the type of season that Watson could have this year. His most productive season came in 2006, when he had 49 catches for 643 yards and 3 touchdowns. If Jake Delhomme gets out of his funk, I think Watson can top those numbers. He had been underutilized the past two years in New England as the team shifted to using more of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and other receivers.

Right now, Watson is the only proven receiver on the entire Browns roster and I expect that to result in a quick bond between him and Delhomme. With Watson's athleticism, his route running abilities, and a decent set of hands, it's important for the Browns to have that threat in the middle of the field who can maybe open things up a little bit more for our young wideouts. In training camp, I hope that Delhomme and Watson hit it off right off the bat.

Job Security: A+
Player Quality: B+
Final Roster Odds: 100%


2. ALEX SMITH - BACKUP TIGHT END

8276_mediumAlex Smith (#81)
Height:
6-4
Weight: 258
Age: 28
Experience: 5 years
College: Stanford
Note: A former Buccaneer, Smith poses a significant threat to Royal.

A newcomer to the team, I think Alex Smith has a great chance at becoming the team's backup tight end. That's not to say that he would play ahead of Evan Moore, because I usually expect the second and third tight ends to receive equal playing time depending on the type of plays being run.

Smith took on a lesser role last season with the Philadelphia Eagles, but prior to that, he was a good backup contributor with a Tampa Bay Buccaneers offense that really hasn't been known for having too many prolific passers. During his four seasons with the Buccaneers, a typical season looked like a 30-catch, 300+ yards, 3-touchdown type of season.

While he's a good receiver with better hands that a Robert Royal, the issue with Smith might come down to whether or not he is a better blocker than Royal. If the dropoff in that category between him and Royal is too significant, then it'll be hard to justify having three tight ends on the roster who excel as receivers as opposed to blockers.

Job Security: D+
Player Quality: C
Final Roster Odds: 55%


3. EVAN MOORE - BACKUP/RECEIVING TIGHT END

8276_mediumEvan Moore (#89)
Height:
6-6
Weight: 247
Age: 25
Experience: 1 year
College: Stanford
Note: Could we see plays in which he lines up as a WR, like Dallas Clark?

After seeing him for just five games last season, one thing is for sure: Browns fans want to see more of Evan Moore.

I've rated Moore's roster odds as being the second highest, only behind Watson. If he makes the roster though, because we really don't know how well of a blocker he is on running plays, I expect him to be the third tight end (as I noted with Smith above though, the difference between second and third would be minimal).

As a receiver, I loved everything about Moore last year. He's tall and seemed to know how to use his body to shield a defender and make a catch in isolation. For that very reason, we might see Moore line up as a wide receiver in some situations. He did well when he was catching the ball through traffic too, despite the fact that the quarterbacks throwing to him weren't the most ideal passers. He's one of those players who made an impression during the team's 4-0 stretch to end last season, and I don't think Eric Mangini or Brian Daboll will forget that.

His roster odds are only 80% because if Moore has a bad camp and is getting eaten up by our defenders on blocking plays, the team could always go with Smith as the backup receiving tight end and Royal as the backup blocking tight end. This camp, I want to see how Moore is rated as a blocker, because I have faith that he'll continue making players in the passing game. It'd be great to have him and Watson on the field at the same time, but we can't do that and pass every time out of the formation.

Job Security: B-
Player Quality: TBD
Final Roster Odds: 80%


4. ROBERT ROYAL - BACKUP/BLOCKING TIGHT END

8276_mediumRobert Royal (#84)
Height:
6-4
Weight: 257
Age: 31
Experience: 7 years
College: LSU
Note: He turned fans off last year, but will his blocking save his job?

Royal is like the Syndric Steptoe of the tight end position: fans just don't really want him to make the team; at least not to be utilized as a receiver. I still believe he can be an asset as a blocker in the running game, which is why I've still rated his roster odds so high (it's nearly a coin flip situation between him and Smith, with Smith getting the slight edge at 55%).

Part of fans' dislike for Royal as a player is the fault of the Browns, because they are the ones who put him in those situations and acted like he was a better receiver than he really was. He's not very fast, he drops too many passes, he has too many passes bounce off his helmet, and I seem to recall him having problems with jumping offsides. Special teams could also play a factor in saving his job.

Player Quality: C-
Final Roster Odds: 45%


5. GREG ESTANDIA - COMPETING FOR BACKUP TIGHT END

8276_mediumGreg Estandia (#83)
Height:
6-8
Weight: 265
Age: 27
Experience: 3 years
College: UNLV
Note: He's tall, but how can he overcome the players above him?

Estandia played in four games for the Browns last year after coming over from the Jacksonville Jaguars. His size is probably his biggest strength, as his frame (6-8, 265 lbs) is the largest among the group. While he can catch the ball fine, our Jaguars affiliate didn't feel he was a great blocker when they previewed their tight end position last year:

While Greg is a fine athlete and a solid pass catcher he isn’t much of a blocking presence or a threat to score. He offers a little more speed than Marcedes Lewis but isn’t quite the blocker Lewis is. Estandia is a contributor on special teams and that is where he will have to continue to make his mark.

Estandia might have to make his mark as a special teams contributor for the Browns. I wouldn't rule out the team carrying four tight ends, but without being stacked at the position, I'd prefer to use the extra roster spot elsewhere.

Final Roster Odds: 20%


TE Position Quality: C+


Fullbacks

1. LAWRENCE VICKERS - STARTING FULLBACK

8276_mediumLawrence Vickers (#47)
Height:
6-0
Weight: 250
Age: 27
Experience: 4 years
College: Colorado
Note: He's the ultimate fullback in my book.

Since Ryan already previewed RB/FB Peyton Hillis with the running backs, I'm leaving him out of the fullback preview. That means that Lawrence Vickers is the only person in this category, and while Hillis can be a fullback, I really don't expect him to play that position unless Vickers suffers an injury.

Vickers was extremely important to the success of RB Jerome Harrison at the end of last season. All reports indicated that Vickers finally "bought in" to things around that time, and it showed on the field. I thought Vickers was a candidate for the Pro Bowl last year. If he can pick up where he left off last season, his powerful blocking is the type of thing that will alleviate some of the pressure off of the 'weak' right side of the offensive line.

Job Security: A+
Player Quality: A+
Final Roster Odds: 100%


FB Position Quality: A+


Next week, we take a look at linebacker and special teams in "Hard Hitting and Klutch Kicks."

Poll
If Watson and Moore make the roster, which of these tight ends should make it?
Robert Royal
195 votes
Alex Smith
350 votes
Greg Estandia
146 votes

691 votes | Poll has closed

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I think that our choice for blocking tight end should be based on how well they block.
In that case, the best choice is Robert Royal.

The only decent part of our offense last year was our running game (including Flash Package) and Robert Royal played like an above-average blocking tight end. I don’t want us to have a drop-off in run blocking at any position, so for that reason I’d rather see him make the team than Alex Smith.
Anyway, whether we keep Royal or we keep Smith, they would be our third option when it comes to using our tight ends in the passing game and both are worse receivers than Watson and Moore…but when it comes to blocking, Royal is slightly better than Watson while Smith is slightly worse. I’d rather keep Robert Royal than Alex Smith because he’s a better blocker and he’s more likely to see the field and make a difference when he’s on it. (And as far as the passing game goes, I don’t mind Robert Royal being the fourth option on a passing play, he’s just a lousy first or second option.)

by Bumblyjack on Jul 11, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

buffalo fans warned us about Royal’s bad hands and mediocre ball protection. Its nice to say that now you will take the better blocker, but when game time comes and he makes bad plays in key situations (like he has always had a knack of doing) you may change your tune.

I don’t mind Robert Royal being the fourth option on a passing play

Well personally, I do mind. When we are purely talking about his hands…I don’t want him as a 5th option on even a bad browns team. I don’t want the ball in his hands just for the simple fact that he won’t catch it. lest we forget that he also does not stretch the field at all and cannot make anything significant happen in the passing game. The sad part is, as a receiver, his hands might be his strength when on others, they may be a weakness.

I also think Royal is a bit overrated as a blocker, and I would say Watson may be at least as good. Royal just doesn’t do anything all that great, whereas smith can actually make some plays.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind Robert Royal being the fourth option on a passing play

This could limit what we do in the passing game.

I am a proponent of not making a “strict” progression on every play. I think teams are much more successful when they do at least some progressions based on the defense. If you do that, you can’t always make a certain player the 4th option.

We could keep him in pass pro 90% of the time, but that also limits what we can do.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jul 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vickers is a fine fullback. Just by mooncamping´s standards, when he gets the rock, he just rumbles to 4 yards max. Not enough by my NFL standard.
In an I-formation, with a halfback that blocks for the fullback on dives, that´s not sufficient.

by mooncamping on Jul 11, 2010 6:35 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

The only thing about Robert Royal that I have in my memory is him letting that ball hit him in the face mask last year. I believe he was fairly open on that play and should’ve caught the ball. Probably one of the most embarrassing plays of last season for us.

by Big Daddy Hickman on Jul 11, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Royal’s blocking often gets overrated because people look for something positive to say about him. I think I actually liked Michael Gaines more than Royal last year.

I am for keeping Watson, Moore, and Smith.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jul 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Completely agree on the blocking. I don’t think he’s an exceptional blocker, but then again I don’t think any of our guys are. I agree with Gaines too; in a hypothetical between him and Royal, I would’ve picked Gaines.

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by Chris Pokorny on Jul 11, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I would pick gaines 101 times out of 100

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going from Winslow to Royal made me overrate his blocking, but I do think it is above average.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 11, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burn. I’d say above average is fair.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Jul 12, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

His receiving skills as a tight end are near the bottom.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 12, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree…but I would say watson is above average and Gaines is good (better than Royal)…and like you say below, his TE skills are near the bottom and his blocking doesn’t at all make up for this for me.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, its a way to justify his 2.5 mil a year

by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 11, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this…that was my vote as well

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by Kimble_79 on Jul 12, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I commented to bumblyjack that exact same thing. Royal to me doesn’t do anything particularly well…His strength is his blocking, but b/c its his strength it gets overrated.

I totally agree about Gaines and I kinda wish we had him back. I might take him over Smith because I love how he is like an extra O-Lineman in there, plus he has halfway decent hands.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 12, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take Gaines over Royal any day of the week!! I do think they have upgraded the TE spot. FB has not been a weakness for the Browns for years so i never worry about that. Hillis with Harrison in the back field on some plays could be a very good mix!!!

by Jimmy Dambrosia on Jul 11, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So ben watson isn’t an upgrade? I totally agree about gaines. We have moore coming back from next year and I would take watson over anyone we had last year.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you even read posts before commenting?

I do think they have upgraded the TE spot.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 12, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just comes in and writes Sh*t because he’s like a week behind and wants to get into the discussion when’s it’s dead.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Jul 12, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he said do not…sorry I can’t read at a first grade level…my bad.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Jul 13, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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