Cleveland Browns Training Camp 2010: Special Teams Preview
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
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Between offense, defense, and special teams, I don't think there is any doubt which unit is the most "complete" on the team: special teams. That might seem like a negative to the offense and defense, but it is also a tribute to just how good our special teams unit is (with a little thanks to a player called Joshua Cribbs).
Kickers
PHIL DAWSON - STARTING KICKER
Phil Dawson (#4)
Height: 5-11
Weight: 200
Age: 35
Experience: 11 years
College: Texas
Note: I wouldn't put too much weight into his continued contract talks.
Before training camp even had a chance to get underway, the Browns waived kicker Shaun Suisham, which pretty much removes any chance of the team keeping another kicker over Dawson. Even if Dawson was competing with another kicker, pretty much everything would be in his favor:
- He's the only player who has been with the team since 1999, and most of the fans like him.
- His kicking abilities haven't declined with age. While he gets few opportunities to kick, he was still 17-of-19 last season, including 5-of-6 from the 40-49 range.
The only thing I could complain about is that in 7 of his 11 seasons, Dawson has missed one of his extra point tries. Those are the type of "gimme" points that you expect to be automatic. People have complained about his lack of distance on kickoffs, but I've never seen any major issues with his kicks. Maybe that is a tribute to our outstanding coverage unit.
Job Security: A+
Player Quality: A
Final Roster Odds: 100%
PUNTERS
1. DAVE ZASTUDIL - STARTING PUNTER
Dave Zastudil (#15)
Height: 6-3
Weight: 220
Age: 31
Experience: 8 years
College: Ohio University
Note: Will he be fully recovered from last year's knee injury?
A knee injury cut Zastudil's season short last year after just eight games, but I'd expect him to resume his duties as the team's starting punter this year.
With the Browns' offensive struggles early on last season, the team was forced to punt early and often. After 49 punts, Zastudil averaged 44.7 yards per kick (that is almost a full five yards more than Hodges). Zastudil was also off to a great start by downing 51% of his punts inside the 20. To compare, two seasons earlier when he had 49 punts over 12 games, he only downed 28.5% of his punts inside the 20. Obviously how good of a team you are might play a factor in where you are punting from, but the fact remains that Zastudil was doing his job when called upon last season.
This year, if Zastudil shows that he is healthy, he should be a lock to make the roster. If he seems terribly off as a result of last season's injury, then that is where Hodges will warrant another look.
Job Security: A-
Player Quality: B+
Final Roster Odds: 98%
2. REGGIE HODGES - INSURANCE PUNTER
Reggie Hodges (#2)
Height: 6-0
Weight: 220
Age: 28
Experience: 3 years
College: Ball State
Note: Hanging around just so the team can ensure Zastudil is healthy.
Hodges doesn't have the same distance on his punts that Zastudil did, but I can't complain too much about his performance last year. Overall, he was servicable, which is all I can expect from a guy who is picked off the waiver wire mid-way through the season. There were also a few instances in which his short kicking ability paid off -- we were able to down several punts inside the 10-yard line if we were punting from our own territory.
I can't mention Hodges without bringing up the awful effort he gave after a muffed snap by Ryan Pontbriand against the Kansas City Chiefs though. Yes, the play was a disaster -- it was on the ground and there was no way Hodges had a chance to pick up the ball and kick it. However, he could've easily fallen on top of it and taken the safety, or he could have booted the live ball out of the back of the end zone. Instead, he walked up to the ball, turned around as if to say, "please don't hit me," and then watched several Chiefs dive on top of the ball instead for a touchdown. Ugh.
Player Quality: C-
Final Roster Odds: 2%
Long-Snappers
RYAN PONTBRIAND - STARTING LONG SNAPPER
Ryan Pontbriand (#64)
Height: 6-2
Weight: 255
Age: 30
Experience: 7 years
College: Rice
Note: Still one of the league's best in my book.
Pontbriand will be entering his eighth season as the team's long snapper, and his only blemish came last season against the Chiefs (the same play mentioned in Hodges' section above). I wouldn't necessarily say he snapped the ball bad in terms of accuracy. Instead, for whatever reason, he snapped the ball early at a time when Nick Sorensen was motioning some sort of signal with his hand. The ball grazed Sorensen's hand, and the play went downhill from there.
After being a Pro Bowler in 2007 and 2008, that one play probably cost him from making the Pro Bowl last season. He's still a top-tier long snapper in my book though, and I don't have any concerns about him entering the season.
Job Security: A+
Player Quality: A+
Final Roster Odds: 100%
Note: For these next few sections, rather than mini-profiles, it will be general notes on the position.
Kick Returner / Punt Returner
After three kick return touchdowns and one punt return touchdown last season, it will be difficult for Joshua Cribbs to top last year's effort. He doesn't really need to put touchdowns on the board to make an impact though -- the Browns had tremendous starting field position last year because of Cribbs. If Cribbs wasn't returning the ball to the 45-yard line, then teams were purposely kicking the ball out of bounds, allowing the offense to start at the 40.
With Syndric Steptoe and Gerard Lawson on the training camp roster, they are the top two candidates to see reps at the return positions. I think Jerome Harrison and Brian Robiskie received some reps there last season too, but I'd prefer to see both of them just stick with running back and wide receiver in camp, respectively.
Gunner
In training camp and the preseason, this will probably be the team's biggest hole on special teams. The staff has hinted that they would like to reduce the number of times they use Cribbs as a gunner on special teams, probably so he can be more of a contributor on offense. Cribbs would fill in a gunner position if it's a tight game in the second half and the Browns need a sure stop.
Other Coverage
I was really impressive with LB Blake Costanzo last year. He was touted as a special teams specialist coming into the season, and he delivered with 14 tackles on the season, 2 forced fumbles, and 3 fumbles recovered. When you have someone who can knock the ball loose and recover it the way he did on special teams, I don't see how you cut him off the roster.
I think the team is also intrigued by the play of S/WR Ray Ventrone on special teams. After joining the team part-way into the season, he was third on the team with 12 special teams tackles. Veteran S Nick Sorensen was second on the team with 13 special teams tackles. I thought LB Kaluka Maiava would see a bit more special teams action last year, but he still recorded four tackles and forced a fumble in coverage.
Another key contributor on special teams this year could be LB Chris Gocong, who averaged about 10 special teams tackles per season as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Special Teams Position Quality (Overall): A-
This coming week, we'll be taking a look at a position that was drastically revamped over the offseason: the secondary. The following week, we'll take a look at our offensive line along with some season predictions. After that, guess what? Cleveland Browns training camp begins! Yay!
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You either get whiffed or the runner gets rocked.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 18, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification, Roger. I had thought it was someone Ray Lewis hired to be in his posse!?!?
by Nuclear Power on Jul 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can’t his people multi-task as gunner AND fall guy? No wonder he has such a big posse (or should I have said, “no wonder he is such a big posse”?).
by Nuclear Power on Jul 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
We used to have “headhunters”. They also had the permission to take the beeline towards the ball-carrier. They were the second man from the outside on each side of the kickoff team alignment. Two is better than one, because there is a propensity for the return men to take it inside to evade both.
by mooncamping on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We had “headhunter” stickers on our helmets in high school. You would receive one for either a)making a big hit on somebody or b)by making game changing plays.
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Yeah, probably the same types of players, go getters.
by mooncamping on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If you mean, he should stay at gunner (your comment is ambiguous), then you’ve got it backwards. We are paying him a lot of money to do other things; we shouldn’t be risking injury on gunner duties.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Jul 18, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not being payed based on incentives, so, no, we aren’t paying him to “do other things.” He’s being payed to play in totality, and unless he’s vastly improved as a receiver, we should be using him as a gunner. His snaps played percentage is not high enough on offense to warrant sitting him in any facet of special teams play.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
I think he should could continue to be a gunner. First, he has stated that it is one of his duties he enjoys(and is good at). Second, seeing as we are then on defense, barring a great play, he has time to rest up till he is due for his return duties, in the event we do get the ball just rest him the first maybe second down. Lastly, as far as injury being a concern, my thought are that if this was a major concern he shouldn’t of been doing it for fear that we lost him as a returner.
seeing as we are then on defense, barring a great play, he has time to rest up till he is due for his return duties
This is the first thing I thought of. why take him out to rest him if we’re about to go on defense?
as far as injuries go, its usually the guys on the receiving team getting injured, and as you pointed out, if injuries are such a big concern, he shouldn’t have been doing it in the first place.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 19, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO you dont take a guy away from being the gunner because you can use him elsewhere when he makes the kind of difference that he has for us. The impact he has on field position – both ways – is truly amazing – and will be more so if it actually matters in our games this year.
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The latest Lombardi trip.
Joe Haden – DB – CLE
“Coaches around the league” tell NFL.com’s Mike Lombardi that Browns first-round pick Joe Haden struggled at minicamps.
Haden “might not have enough speed to play corner,” writes Lombardi. Lombardi notes that there were conflicting opinions inside the franchise as to whether the Browns should take Haden or Kyle Wilson 7th overall. They went with the more highly touted Haden, and it apparently isn’t looking great so far.
Someone explain to me how “coaches around the league” have any idea how certain Browns were performing without pads.
I wondered the same thing when I saw that. To me, it sounds like a rehash of before the draft, when the “Haden had a bad 40-time” story broke out.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jul 19, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not buying it. Of course, “coaches around the league” could be obscure position coaches or guys who’ll say something just to get Lombardi away from them. That or he’s making it all up on slow news day.
I’m making it priority number one to try and be specific on my sources once I hit the media, because vague sources really annoy me as a journalist. _
by BrownDawg1409 on Jul 19, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how specific you can be on your sources and still have sources or anything to say people would want to listen to or read.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Well, if it’s Lombardi or Grossi they could probably point you to their proctologist.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jul 19, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would think coaches do send people to check out how other highly touted draftees are doing at training camp. I’m willing to bet there are a lot of scouts and coaches from the NFC North at the detroit training camps and practices checking out Suh.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the main point though is how much judgment can you really make after 2 weeks of practice with no pads. Two weeks, the guy is barely starting to learn the plays
You can’t make too much judgement after a short period time.
However, the only thing the “coaches” have said is that he struggled during minicamps, which you could easily determine to be true or false, determining the implications of that as you said would take a longer assessment period and would require more observation time.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Well if they’re commenting on his speed, which was a huge concern before he was drafted, then the timing of his performances really don’t matter since he’s not going to get faster after learning the plays. Especially if they’re playing without pads.
I wouldn’t think too much into it yet, but i personally hated the Haden pick with his speed being just one of the concerns. I’d rather hear positive chatter, regardless of the time line.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not really making a judgment on Haden in either direction, just that I doubt Lombardi actually heard this or that it even matters at this point.
To your point though, I would think if it were true that Haden were a step slow, that his game would be enhanced with pads since his better attributes are his willingness to tackle and his physicality.
Well when it boils down to it he’s a CB and he has to be able to cover people first and foremost. He could be the league’s best tackler, but he’ll fail as a CB if he can’t keep the WR from gaining separation.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well when it boils down to it he’s a CB and he has to be able to cover people first and foremost.
yep. and his speed in some minor practices without pads is about as relevant to his ability to cover a WR as…his 40 time. there are guys with bad 40 times who can cover and guys with good 40 times who can’t. When it comes down to it, these practices don’t show us anything about anyone’s ability to cover.
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Exactly. The physical attributes only take you so far. I think a good cover corner needs, for lack of a better word, instinct. If you know where the play is going, you are better able to get into position.
actually there is a lot of reason to believe his speed would increase after learning the plays. if he is thinking about what he’s doing, he’s going to be going through it slowly. once everything becomes second nature, he’ll be able to do it much faster.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you seriously don’t believe this is true? have you ever heard of people referring to the game “slowing down?”
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 19, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys are much faster without pads on and the weight of the pads may bring the pack back to them. Football speed cannot be overlooked.
this is also true. you can’t judge speed until games start, in my opinion.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if they’re commenting on his speed, which was a huge concern before he was drafted,
and how much can a couple coaches learn watching a bit of practice with no pads on? Haden is one of those guys who looks fast on film and always played fast but didn’t have elite timed speed. I don’t take much stock into what ‘some coaches’ say about his speed early on in practice without pads and with significant restraint on the D.
then the timing of his performances really don’t matter
actually, yeah. Do you really think haden is at 100% speed
a) before he has learned the plays?
b) before he has even signed a contract?
I don’t think so. Why would a guy go at top speed in a few practices if he isn’t even fully under contract with the team? why risk it? Also, do you think a guy is going at full speed without truly knowing the playbook? there is likely to be some hesitation. Maybe not intentional, but just hesitation of not being 100% on what he is doing, which can cause hesitation in ones speed.
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From WFNY:
“For full site disclosure, Lombardi’s report may want to be taken with a grain of salt given his recent track record with specific regard to the Browns. It was the same columnist who stated that Jamal Lewis was at risk of not making the Browns 53-man roster last fall, and was also was the victim of a pretty large swing-and-miss with regard to the Browns and head coach Eric Mangini. It is also worth noting that Lombardi was considerably anti-Haden leading up to the draft basing a lot of his thoughts on "what he had heard" and the players much-discussed 40-time.
At present day, it appears that Haden is gearing up for a role as the nickel back in what will likely be a defense that features three defensive backs more often than not. For what it is worth, everything that WFNY continues to hear is glowing regarding the rookie cornerback. Many that were present for rookie camp and team minicamp drills have called Haden "the real deal," and is already more physically gifted than the rest of his colleagues. We already know that the kid is like an ant when it comes to pound-for-pound strength, and with whispers that he could actually be challenging Eric Wright for a starting job (across from newly acquired Sheldon Brown) make it hard for us to believe that Haden is truly struggling at the next level."
We are all witnesses... to a traitor.
by emily522 on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha, awesome.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope we feature more than three defensive backs this year; the mooncamping 4-4 is not a successful defense.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Stumbled across this, thought I would share with everyone.
•We know (well, I know, and you will know after you read this) that Lombardi emailed me last season and said among other things that, “it is my right to not like [Mangini], and not have to justify my sources to you,” and that “Mangini will blow the [2010 draft], there is no doubt in my mind.”*
the first few links in that story are interesting as well.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i must have missed that one, haha.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what Mangini did to make Lombardi so mad. In any case, it’s a galling lack of professionalism on his part. Most bloggers are less vengeful than Lombardi.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
1. I hate ML with an extreme passion.
2. I don’t understand why people listen to his garbage.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 529 votes on this poll.
Where are all the other DBN members?
We are all witnesses... to a traitor.
Dorn has stated this before as well.
One of them is Pluto…
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There are many people who read this blog but rarely — or never — comment.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
we need more activity with the articles on this board. Not trying to compare DBN to other SB nation boards, but most of the other boards have 2-5 articles posted per day and we average 1 article every 1-4 days.
I really try to liven the board by sparky contrarian debates but it’s always with the same damn people.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually prefer fewer articles with more content, but I agree we would benefit from more people posting.
I don’t know, that feels too busy to me, and articles appear off the front page too fast, so discussion stops.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, some blogs get clogged up with too many articles that pushes good discussions off the front page too quickly and it gets lost. I think we would all certainly welcome more contributions from people, but I want it to be good content and not just posting something for the sake of posting it. I prefer quality over quantity. Otherwise you get situations like the Cavs SBN blog, where the blog is full of idiots and trolls and you can’t have a good conversation there.
I think having 2-5 new articles posted every day is way too much. That would be way too busy, and f you miss a couple days then it would be hard to catch up with the discussions.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But that really doesn’t mean jack if there isn’t any discussion in the first place
I’d rather have more articles regardless if they get pushed down or not, than one article every couple of days since there isn’t any discussion going on any anyway. There is room for 6 articles on the front page. So if there were 2 per day, then by the fourth day the ones that get dropped off would probably be dead in the first place.
Otherwise you get situations like the Cavs SBN blog, where the blog is full of idiots and trolls and you can’t have a good conversation there.
To be fair this board doesn’t exactly encourage conversation or debate either.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this post was unnecessary. The board activity isn’t going to change and it’s not worth debating.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this board does encourage conversation and debate, but only about football. there isn’t much having to do with football to be talked about in July, as Dorn said.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t disagree more. I think we have plenty of good debates on here about many different subjects. As said above, though, this is July and there isn’t much going on to talk about. The staff is doing the position previews but I think they’re spreading them out until training camp starts and we have other things to talk about. If they posted them all in a few days then we’d have a lot of activity then followed by a dead period, so I think they way they’re doing it is good.
Also, if you want to start a conversation about something then you can create a FanPost and get one going. This blog is driven by the users, so if you want more discussions then you can get them started.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Perectly stated.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This place seriously needs an edit button though.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 20, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I didn’t even notice that until you said something.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t disagree more. The environment of this blog is that of a surface fan base. Even with this discussion I knew that everyone else would feel the same way and co-sign whoever spoke first. It was inevitable the “i like the pace of this blog” comments would come. Yes this blog is driven by user, but the users have gang, ant-like mentality where no one has their own opinion or personality.
So you say we have many different debates, and you are correct to a certain extent. We have a few good debates every once in a while about football, but we have a more debates about other things because in other topics, people dare have a different opinion than the group think. There have been more “debates” recently about Bross, how you and Rufio act on this board, Lebron James, Mooncamping, Baseball, and other trivial things than the Cleveland Browns. You seem to think just that adding more content to the site mean that it wouldn’t be meaningful. I happened to think that such article like the Past Draft Review segment was great. Things like that are meaningful, interesting, and spurs conversation, but you think it’s meaningless?
I love the site, and I try to spur as much interest as I could. But this truly is a news blog, with a community that doesn’t care to go deeper unless it’s a personal argument about another poster. And if everyone is content with a non-interactive community and 4 articles over the course of 10 days, then more power to you.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There have been more "debates" recently about
again, let me point out its july.
have you forgotten all the DA vs. Quinn stuff from a year ago? ready for the Hardesty vs. Harrison stuff? Who should start at linebacker? once football starts again, people will talk about football more.
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by notthatnoise on Jul 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a great mistake to believe that many people disagreeing is the sign of a good discussion-based site. Divisive disagreements, which seem to be what you are coveting, often come about because of black and white divides in opinion. This site is seemingly populated by those who can disagree but understand the other side.
Maybe there’s a herd-like mentality on this site, but I’ve yet to see a blog that has an active community that does not develop a common opinion on many issues. Does it drown out dissenting, intelligent opinions sometimes? Unfortunately, yes, but as in society, it is the cost of forming a community founded on common ideals.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
But I don’t see this as a clear problem but just as the nature of the season and the nature of these blogs. I have been reading the Miami Heat blog recently b/c of lebron. They have a very active community and right now it is free agency…however, there still isn’t a ton of content and a lot of the debates have broken down to the kind you mention above…about trivial things. It is the nature of all of these blogs and while some blogs may look more active on the outside, if you look closer, they are just filled with even more trivial stuff.
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good points. i’ll bet nearly every SBN site, once you’d start visiting it regularly, would seem very similar to ours, with trivial, off-topic stuff during down times in that sport.
It’s so surprising that you would disagree about this. I know you’re just upset because everyone isn’t negative all the time like you are, and therefore that doesn’t count as “meaningful debate.”
Even with this discussion I knew that everyone else would feel the same way and co-sign whoever spoke first.
Really? You actually think that? You think that if the first person agreed with you then everyone else would agree as well? You think that we all just say whatever someone else says? If so, you either haven’t been paying attention here or you just see what you want to see.
I happened to think that such article like the Past Draft Review segment was great. Things like that are meaningful, interesting, and spurs conversation, but you think it’s meaningless?
When did I ever say that was meaningless? Now you’re putting words in my mouth, or you can’t understand what I was saying. I said that I don’t want to add content just for the sake of adding content, but if it’s good stuff then of course I’d love to see it posted here.
And, again, if you want more content then you’re welcome to make a FanPost whenever you have something worthwhile to discuss.
But this truly is a news blog, with a community that doesn’t care to go deeper unless it’s a personal argument about another poster.
That is simply not true. We’ve had plenty of debates and disagreements on here about football topics, and if you haven’t seen them then you’re seeing only what you want to see, as I said above.
And if everyone is content with a non-interactive community and 4 articles over the course of 10 days, then more power to you.
This is certainly not a non-interactive community. And, again, this is the offseason between the draft/free agency and training camps so there isn’t a whole lot to talk about. We’re much busier during the season, as you know.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s so surprising that you would disagree about this. I know you’re just upset because everyone isn’t negative all the time like you are, and therefore that doesn’t count as "meaningful debate."
why would I be upset? if anything I’m more upset that I have to go to other blogs to get content other than the one I like the most
When did I ever say that was meaningless? Now you’re putting words in my mouth, or you can’t understand what I was saying. I said that I don’t want to add content just for the sake of adding content, but if it’s good stuff then of course I’d love to see it posted here.
Your first defense was to spout the generic “but the quality over quantity!” rather than trying to understand the point, and going from there. You automatically assume that any additional posts would irrelevant, rather than having the mental capacity to think how about we add more article, which can be relevant and meaningful to the team.
That is simply not true. We’ve had plenty of debates and disagreements on here about football topics, and if you haven’t seen them then you’re seeing only what you want to see, as I said above.
Like I said we have more debates about Bross and Mooncamping than we have of anything else. The bottom of this page is the biggest example.
This is certainly not a non-interactive community. And, again, this is the offseason between the draft/free agency and training camps so there isn’t a whole lot to talk about. We’re much busier during the season, as you know.
And that’s when you find other things talk ad write about. Just skipping over the SB nation, there are blogs talking about the state of their teams, the expectations of the positions, certain players, and rookies, revisiting history, looking forward to next year, etc. That’s what you’re supposed to do when there is no football action going on. Yet this is incomprehensible to you.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 23, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that is all incomprehensible to me, I guess because I don’t have the mental capacity to understand it.
As I’ve said many times, if you would like more discussion about certain topics then you are certainly free to create them using a FanPost. That is the reason for their existance. I’m sure that everyone here would love to have more interesting football topics to debate about, so why don’t you do something about it instead of complaining.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 24, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
BB I’m going to give you the same advice we all give Bross: stop replying to him. He’s a pessimist, his glass is always half (or all the way) empty.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 24, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I went back to check the archives to see how many front page stories there were last year during the season. I only checked two months, but there were 34 stories in December and 38 in November so that averages about 9-10 a week during the season. I think that’s plenty of discussion when there is actually football to talk about. I don’t really know what you expect us to talk about so much in July. That’s like a parent complaining that her child isn’t doing enough homework over Christmas break.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 21, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Love the analogthere, rec.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
huh, stupid backspace key, *analogy there
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
To add on to BBs point, there were 28 articles (I believe) in June…that isn’t that much fewer than in December. We have had 44 articles since June 1st which is actually an improvement by 5 from last year. To put it into perspective:
The Steelers blog, BTSC had about 34 stories since June 1st. They had less activity on average commenting wise on the stories, and no much better in terms of comment content. They also had a whole open thread dedicated to the Bachelor/Bachelorette
The Buffalo Rumblings blog had about 40 stories at least just in July…However there was much less comment activity and user activity plus a lot of the stories felt more like fanposts or sometimes irrelevant fanshots getting the front page. It was all quantity but not much quality (like a random video of Christian Ponder and some thoughts on him)
Jets blog and Chiefs blogs are the same way as buffalo but a little more content…
The point is, with these blogs you either get quantity or quality. You really can’t get both with these. Some of these blogs have too much quantity but not enough quality (similar to FTS) but I like the balance of Quantity and Quality here.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Holy bat feces Bross, do you have a paralegal working for you or something?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Jul 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To add on to BBs point
BB really doesn’t need help, nor a novel written based on one point.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s plenty of conversation and debate on DBN. I’m not sure why you are perceiving the opposite.
The only thing I would like to see on DBN is a more active FanShot community, both on the sidetab and being bumped to the main page. I think the FanShot location being on the bottom right prevents a lot of people from reading it, and thus prevents people from posting FanShots about the NFL in its entirety. LGT’s FanShot location encourages minor articles being posted for all to comment on. DBN’s, and most other SBN sites’, discourages use of the FanShot feature.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
this would be something i would like changed as well. as it stands, I don’t bother posting small articles not necessarily related to the browns because i know nobody would bother to read. I’m sure other people feel this way as well.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And this as well. I was skimming here a month before I think I saw the fanshots at all, and it’s easy to overlook them entirely.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jul 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The great thing about the SBN format is that anyone can write an article and have it discussed. Go over to the fanpost function and write as many articles a day as you’d like.
I have no idea why you would want 2-5 articles on the front page every day. Show me a single- football team-based blog that does that and I’ll show you one that has a lot of fluff, bad quality, and a lack of editing.
This blog covers the Cleveland Browns, there just isn’t that much going on right now. We are previewing every position before training camp, we have an interview coming with one of the best players, some brilliant breakdown of play design from rufio and a story on moves as they happen.
Like Dorn said, it is July, what else is there?
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by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 20, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have a fair point that there should be room for 1-2 articles per day being posted. We should be re-approaching that threshold pretty soon. I’m always looking for FanPosts to promote to the front page too, if it seems like it’d be a good fit there.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 20, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Fewer articles = more conversation in specific spots. Fear the Sword is particularly bad with the reverse of this- four minor updates on the same topic every day, leading to fragmented conversations and discussions being held across multiple posts.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
they have a bunch of other issues as well, a lack of moderators being a big one.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 20, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I like the pace of this board. I usually scan the stories on some other sites, then come here to see how the folks here interpret them. There’s usually enough good commenting and debate going on that I don’t even feel bad about skipping over the sections with tons of entries piled up on the right-hand side. I would rather wait a couple of weeks for one of Rufio’s scheme breakdowns than to sift through a pile of dross every day.
Yeah, he can be a bit muc—wait a minute, did you say dross? Nevermind, my bad.
Forgive me, my will is weak.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Baiting, hahaha.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Even I will rec that one.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Cribbs should be doing everything. Gunner, returner, etc.
He isn’t a WR. Why not use him for what he does best?
He says he wants to do everything he can, whenever he can.
I don’t see a problem.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 19, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else would be a gunner if not Cribs?
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
I was really impressive with LB Blake Costanzo last year
You played special teams.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
Meant to be a question
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No typo, I was referring to using him on Madden.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Mooncamping just lost respect for you there.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 20, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
“I was really impressive with LB Blake Costanzo last year. He was touted as a special teams specialist coming into the season, and he delivered with 14 tackles on the season, 2 forced fumbles, and 3 fumbles recovered. When you have someone who can knock the ball loose and recover it the way he did on special teams, I don’t see how you cut him off the roster.”
dunno if anyone cares but Costanzo also got Peter King’s All-Pro vote for special teamer as well in 2009.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/01/04/awards/index.html
After reading this blog now for a few months, I can’t believe no one else has said this…Joe Thomas should be the gunner. Duhhhh.
The league won’t let him. Thomas is too fast and it wouldn’t be fair to the other teams..
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Jul 20, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He is the gunner. He’s a transformer.
He alternate mode is Josh Cribbs.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 20, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit! I didn’t even see that one!
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
edit buttons are sketchy though, unless it marks a post as edited, things could get out of hand.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Jul 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The honda forum I use does that.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
like the car?? I like toyo…wait, yeah Honda’s…they have working brakes.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
they have working brakes
unlike your thoughts.
just havin a little fun with you bross. no hard feelings for our little spat last week.
by Dawg Nuts on Jul 21, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Uh, what?
Toyotas are known for sticking gas pedals, but nice try at a Honda joke.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget the steering column problems.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I was making a toyota joke about their problems with their ABS (not a honda joke). There were 3 separate problems with the cars with the sticking pedals just being one of them. Another was the floor mats that would entrap the pedal and then, especially on Prius’, there was a problem with the ABS.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
The floormats were a lie made by Toyota. There were literal mechanical problems bro.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get how the floormats were a lie…There were mechanical problems…with the pedal sticking…and the ABSs failing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
The floormats were a scapegoat.
“Hey, it’s not the engine! the stylish floormats are just deadly!”
How did you fall for that? They even claimed they lied like two months later.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 22, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, I HAVE a Toyota and my floormats have done that in the past.
Fortunately, it hasn’t been too much of a problem. It just means I have to put my foot a little harder on the gas pedal.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 25, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
weak
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
whats weak is you scanning for jokes and criticizing every single joke someone makes and then rarely (if ever) make your own and if you do, they aren’t that funny…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
bross, that was one of the times where it’s better to just ignore than to come back with a lame retort. If you think someone is being a jerk then don’t stoop to their level with your reply.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s stooping to their level is you scanning for bross posts and criticizing every single one he makes and then rarely (if ever) making your own bross post and if you do, they aren’t that brossy.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
I agree. I was more pointing out that TRSS has a bad habit of scanning boards, putting up one comment that was just insulting someone said much after the fact…often insulting someone’s joke like that and then can’t make his own joke…
I could care less if he thought my joke was weak…I am just seeing a pattern that is just as bad as any bad habits i have on here.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Why don’t you just stick to worrying about your own bad habits and let Chris and I take care of other people’s.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
fine…So because i have a bad habit on here, I am now not allowed to point out when someone else has one that annoys me? I guess its not good when my habits annoy people, but its fine when TRSS’ do.
Do you see how you set up this double standard?
You comment also is a little rude and condescending, however I probably brought that on by saying “I agree” because I thought gahnki was talking about TRSS scanning for post and doing what he is doing by doing that (which can be argued to be trolling).
I really just meant to help you guys out because I know this has annoyed other people here and it is starting to annoy me (and not at all because he is directing at me…I could care less). What is also annoying is how I get singled out AGAIN just for trying to be a good samaritan on here.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Just stop. Stop playing the victim again. You were not “just trying to be a good samaritan.” You were upset that he called your joke weak so you came back with an insult of your own. Don’t act like you were just trying to help us out because we both know that’s not true. You were trying to get back at him.
I’m not getting in another stupid long argument again. There is no double standard. My comment above to you was done in a very nice way, just trying to show you how you can just ignore stupid comments like that instead of having to come back with your own insults. For once, just stop and listen instead of thinking of long excuses to come back with. Please.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop playing the victim again.
I am not at all trying to play the victim.
You were upset that he called your joke weak so you came back with an insult of your own. Don’t act like you were just trying to help us out because we both know that’s not true. You were trying to get back at him.
Not at all. I could care less what TRSS thought of my joke for all intensive purposes. I even said to gahnki (who was actually defending me and I had no reason to make up an excuse for) that I could care less if he thought my joke was weak. To me it is more about the principle of the issue. I have no reason to get back at TRSS.
My comment above to you was done in a very nice way
maybe you meant it in a nice way, but it did not at all come off like that. I even got a 3rd party, impartial opinion on the issue, my sister (who I did not show it was an attack on me but just asked her to judge the quote) and she said it came across as condescending and that the person sounded like an asshole.
The words themselves are not terrible, but when that type of phrase is uttered in our society, it almost always comes a long with a snarky attitude, so assuming the person is being snarky or condescending is not that out of the question.
just trying to show you how you can just ignore stupid comments like that instead of having to come back with your own insults
But I wasn’t using it to try to come up with my own insults. Maybe while pointing out what TRSS was doing and the hypocrisy behind it, I insulted him and for that I am sorry.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
is that your response when you realize you are wrong?
Its hopeless for me to win with you. I fudge up and I get flak from you. I try to do right by DBN and suddenly I am an asshole throwing insults everywhere.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
is that your response when you realize you are wrong?
Dramatic irony at it’s greatest.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Intents and purposes.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 23, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet Jesus… The SpecialBrownie stoopid virus is spreading.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You still remember that damn typo? Swear to god, in my town it’s considered grammatically correct both ways.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, for one, if you could care less, that means you care at least a little. Two, if I’m right in assuming that you meant you couldn’t care less, don’t bother responding to his posts if they don’t mean anything to you. Ignoring it prevents it from becoming an issue.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
by gahnki on Jul 23, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah. I always seem to say I could care less when i mean I couldn’t care less.
Ignoring it prevents it from becoming an issue.
not really…thats like saying ignoring an issue just makes it go away but I know I am not the only one that has found TRSS borderline trolling to be rude/annoying.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
do you know how you get rid of trolls? you ignore them.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you realize that if you would have just ignored him then none of this would have happened? Everyone would have ignored it and moved on. You are the one who made a big deal about it.
And please stop claiming that you were just trying to help the site — we all know that’s not true. You were upset by his comment so you wanted to insult him back. Stop calling yourself a “good samaritan” and claiming it was all innnocent. As I said before, if someone is trolling then Chris or I will take care of it. You don’t need to say anything.
That’s what I tried to tell you, nicely, before. He only says things like that because he knows he’s going to get a big reaction from you (and it worked). Just ignore it and he — and everyone else — will stop.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
we all know that’s not true. You were upset by his comment so you wanted to insult him back.
this is not true AT ALL…but I guess you don’t listen to anything I ever say that disproves what you want to believe but only listen to anything on here that will incriminate me…I don’t give a crap if he truly didn’t like my joke. I am not angry or insulted.
You are however right that I should have just ignored him and this thing would have never happened. I should have done that and I didn’t and you are completely right.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I listened to what you said, I just didn’t believe you. Actions speak louder than words. If you didn’t care what he said then you wouldn’t have responded. The way you responded showed that it obviously upset you.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
fine, don’t believe me. I said what I feel about it and you can take it or leave it…If you don’t believe me, I could care less…
The way you responded showed that it obviously upset you.
nothing is truly obvious in a situation like this. to you, it was obvious because of your preconceived notions of me, but much of what it showed is up for interpretation.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
bross, this should be your avatar:
You create more drama than a soap-opera.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
by gahnki on Jul 23, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap I almost thought you were serious.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 22, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
word
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 23, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be really hard to incorporate. People could go back and change their comments after many replies and it would make for a very confusing discussion.
I think it’s much easier to just read over your comment before you hit “post.”
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We’ve discussed this internally at SB Nation many times, and it always yields conflicting opinions. The obvious problem is the one that Brad details, where you could have a bunch of comments directed at someone, and then if that one person changes their comment, everyone else looks odd or stupid. Some solutions that have been discussed in the past…
-Have a “this post was edited, see original message here” text appear at the bottom of the post.
-Allow editing of comments for a short duration of time, such as five minutes. This can be problematic in something like a game thread though.
-Allow users to submit edited comment requests, which are subject to approval by mods or the site editor. This is what I’d prefer, but then what happens if mods aren’t around or there end up being too many requests? It’d cause frustration.
-Lock a comment from being edited if someone else has directly responded to it.
Unfortunately, I would not advise you to get your hopes up for any of these changes since the general opinion was that things are best left as is. If I had to guess, what might occur in the future is that instead of me or Brad being able to hide or delete posts, we might be able to edit someone’s post too. This would only be used maybe to remove/fix links, correct typos if someone requests it via email, etc.
FYI to everyone, SB Nation controls the possible addon of an edit button, not the individual blogs. The same goes for all the other technology around here, for the most part.
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