Cleveland Browns Training Camp 2010: Offensive Line Preview, Part I (Strong Left Side, Weak Right Side)
The Cleveland Browns have quite the offensive line. Starting from the center position going left, you have an outstanding mix of veteran and youth to arguably form one of the best trios in the NFL.
As for the two positions on the right side of the line, there is a lot of experience, a lack of youth, and an overall concern as to whether or not the right guard/right tackle tandem can hold things together this season.
In this preview, I did not rank the positions in order of best to worst like I did other positions. Instead, I go in order from left to right, meaning LT-LG-C-RG-RT. Coincidentally, that order also seems to generally correspond to what the order would be if they were ranked. Let's get on with the preview...
1. JOE THOMAS - STARTING LEFT TACKLE
Joe Thomas (#73)
Height: 6-6
Weight: 312
Age: 25
Experience: 3 years
College: Wisconsin
Note: Joe Thomas is not a mere mortal.
Flaws? Joe Thomas has no flaws.
Thomas is the best offensive lineman on the Browns, and perhaps the best left tackle in the league as well considering his age.
As Ryan Kelsey wrote in his review of the 2009 season back in January, Thomas had a tremendous season last year, especially when you take away the couple of plays where a guy like Derek Anderson runs into the area that Thomas had contained. From pass protection to run blocking, Thomas is the total package.
Fans love WR Joshua Cribbs, and there's really no reason to compare the two. With that said, when it comes to the player who holds the most value on the Browns, Thomas clearly stands out. Left tackles such as Thomas only come around every couple of years, and Cleveland is fortunate to have him.
Job Security: A+
Player Quality: A+
Final Roster Odds: 100%
2. ERIC STEINBACH - STARTING LEFT GUARD
Eric Steinbach (#65)
Height: 6-6
Weight: 295
Age: 30
Experience: 7 years
College: Iowa
Note: Steinbach is the unsung hero of the Browns offensive line.
Prior to last season, a media writer made a bold prediction that Eric Steinbach would fail to make the 53-man roster because he didn't fit the Mangini mold and was undersized. While Steinbach did gain some weight heading into last year's camp, the Browns would have been foolish to let him go.
Steinbach might be overshadowed now by Thomas and Alex Mack, but he still completes what is a very good left side of the offensive line. You could probably make a case that he had his best season since joining the Browns during the 2009 campaign.
Steinbach still isn't the bulkiest lineman -- his counterpart Womack has about 30 pounds on him -- but he's technically sound at the position and can use his quickness to his advantage.
Job Security: A+
Player Quality: B+
Final Roster Odds: 100%
3. ALEX MACK - STARTING CENTER
Alex Mack (#55)
Height: 6-4
Weight: 311
Age: 24
Experience: 1 year
College: California
Note: Mack looks to avoid a sophomore slump.
Mack gained a lot of fans with his solid play at center last season, as he handled all of the challenges that the tough AFC North opponents threw at him. I'm not sure if lining up against Shaun Rogers helped prepare him or if his transition to the NFL just came naturally, but Mack is well on his way to being a Pro Bowler if he continues to grow.
It was a steady improvement throughout last season for Mack, and by the end of the year he too was a factor in the team's ability to run the football. While the Browns didn't pass the ball a lot last season, I was also pleased with how Mack snapped the ball during the regular season.
Stealing another tidbit from Kelsey's 2009 review...
And for those still questioning the draft pick of Alex Mack: The Browns were first in the league in short yardage situations where we ran up the middle (getting a 1st down or TD on 93% of the time on 3rd or 4th and short when we ran up the middle).
With Thomas and Mack on board, if the team can add one young player to the right side of the line next season, this unit is going to be blocking strong for a long time.
Job Security: A+
Player Quality: A
Final Roster Odds: 100%
4. FLOYD WOMACK - STARTING RIGHT GUARD
Floyd Womack (#77)
Height: 6-4
Weight: 328
Age: 31
Experience: 9 years
College: Mississippi State
Note: Can Pork Chop hold off the competition from rookie Shawn Lauvao?
I like what Womack brought to the Browns last year, which was a servicable player who could fill in at right guard and right tackle. The problem is that in an ideal situation, he would have a starting-caliber player next to him at right tackle. With Womack and St. Clair on the right side though, teams knew which side of the line to attack.
Womack isn't guaranteed a starting job this year after the team drafted offensive guard Shawn Lauvao. The right side of the line is so unsettled right now though that Womack could inevitably end up being team's starting right tackle, with veteran Tony Pashos moving to guard or Lauvao winning that spot. For now, I'm leaving Womack at the position I feel he's most likely to play at during the regular season, although I think he played a bit better at tackle than he did at guard last year.
Job Security: B-
Player Quality: C-
Final Roster Odds: 90%
5. TONY PASHOS - COMPETING FOR STARTING RIGHT TACKLE
Tony Pashos (#79)
Height: 6-6
Weight: 326
Age: 29
Experience: 6 years
College: Illinois
Note: How will Pashos' shoulder injury from a year ago effect him?
A former member of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Baltimore Ravens, the thought of Tony Pashos starting can only mean one thing to Browns fans -- "hey, that means John St. Clair won't be starting!"
St. Clair had a miserable start to last season, and while he settled in compared to his playing standards, the Browns definitely needed to address the position in the offseason. Pashos isn't exactly a young player, but he fits the bill of being a lineman who can make a difference when trying to run the football.
Pashos was such a popular signing back in March that DBN fans couldn't help but make comments such as this:
When Moses crossed the Red Sea, he was only able to do it because Joe Thomas was blocking the water.
Hmmm.
Anyway, Pashos played for San Francisco last year but only saw action in five games before suffering a shoulder injury that kept him out the rest of the season. Pashos can be deemed as an upgrade over St. Clair, but whether he's good enough to make the right side of the line respectable remains to be seen.
Job Security: C+
Player Quality: C
Final Roster Odds: 95%
6. JOHN ST. CLAIR - COMPETING FOR STARTING RIGHT TACKLE
John St. Clair (#78)
Height: 6-6
Weight: 320
Age: 33
Experience: 8 years
College: Virginia
Note: The anti-Joe Thomas.
Fans cringe at the thought of John St. Clair starting again this year, but it could happen. Remember, Pashos could always suffer lingering effects from his shoulder injury last season. If a scenario occurs where St. Clair performs better at right tackle in training camp than Pashos does, I don't think you can play Pashos just for the sake of getting a new player in there.
One of St. Clair's worst games last year came against the Denver Broncos, where he was largely responsible for OLB Elvis Dumervil recording four sacks against the Browns. Considering the type of season Jake Delhomme had last year, if he is going to have any chance at redemption this year, he can't afford to be getting pressured that often. Frankly, no quarterback can. St. Clair gradually improved as the season went on, but he's not up to starting quality.
Player Quality: D
Final Roster Odds: 75%
In Part II of our offensive line preview tomorrow, we take a look at Shawn Lauvao, Casey Bender, Paul Fanaika, Scott Kooistra, Pat Murray, Joel Reinders, and Billy Yates.
Before I finish, I want to pull out two points that Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto made this past Sunday regarding the offensive line. Coincidentally, they pretty much summarize this entire article:
9. The coaches said it was more than the backs, it was the line growing together and the emergence of rookie Alex Mack at center. As confidence grew and run blocking improved, so did the line. As the coaches studied the tapes, they saw the line being "very intelligent." Joe Thomas is a strong run-blocker, along with his well-known pass protection at left tackle. Left guard Eric Steinbach added some weight, which helped his blocking. A key was Thomas, Mack and Steinbach played all 16 games.
10. Porkchop Womack received solid grades for his run-blocking, both at right guard and at right tackle, where he started the final two games when John St. Clair was hurt. In fact, he seemed to play better than St. Clair at that spot.
We only have one more position preview post left! Training camp kicks off this Saturday.
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Don’t know why but just have a good feeling about Lauvao doing well if he starts. Hope he’s doing well in training camp.
I think we’re spoiled now after Mack and Thomas. We assume all linemen we draft will eventually be pro bowlers.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Because they will, hahaha.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 27, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said our assumption was a bad one haha.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope Pashos can legitimately win the job in camp. I also hope we draft a talented RT somewhere around the second round soon.
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I would have loved if we would have drafted Bruce Campbell in the late third or fourth round. He definitely needs to work on his footwork and stance but I think he would have the athleticism and strength to handle the right side in the NFL
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
haha…this is coming from the pessimist! Bruce Campbell will turn out to be a dud. Watch and see, he was majorly overrated in my opinion. I am stunned to see you think positive of a player like him.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. Use a 2nd/3rd round pick on a RT next year. guys like Matt Reynolds at BYU or James Carpenter at Alabama.
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Matt Reynolds can’t pass protect AT ALL. I’d stay away.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
At All? I have only watched a game or 2 of these guys really…
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I’m exaggerating but he isn’t someone I would trust to protect my QB.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not. I was looking at him as a RT. is he that Immobile he may have to be a guard?
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In my opinion, yes.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
One game really sticks out when he got abused by Hughes from TCU.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Reinders. He could be that good.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 28, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be a real bonus if Lauvao could nail that starting job, then we’re just one pick (2nd sounds right) off a great line.
Not much between Womack & Pashos for now I’d guess, both space filling, both an upgrade on St Clair.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
this….If Lauvao turns out to be even a B or B+ grade linemen, we are in great shape for the O’line. We can pick up another in next years draft for RT and we could have one of the best lines in the league. I am a strong believer that winning starts in the trenches. If holes are produced, and time is allowed for passing your entire offense (even with mediocre players) is capable of going wide open against the defense.
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Guards are easy to find.
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Exactly. This is strange coming from a guy who thinks a certain player from Maryland that only played 1yr is going to be the next stud.
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This is strange coming from a guy who thinks a certain player from Maryland that only played 1yr is going to be the next stud.
your reading comprehension needs to improve
I think he has….to handle the right side in the NFL
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have loved if we would have drafted Bruce Campbell in the late third or fourth round. He definitely needs to work on his footwork and stance but I think he would have the athleticism and strength to handle the right side in the NFL
I can read just fine. I don’t think he will be capable of handling anything in my opinion. I think people got so excited about his athleticism and size that he was overrated. He is too tall and has a bad habit of standing up while trying to block. DE’s in the NFL will have a field day with him as they are going to be getting leverage under him every snap.
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I can read just fine
you obviously have some problems, if you equate handling to “being a stud”
Being too high in his stance is something he needs to work on. But that’s something possibly attainable, and since he’s light on his feet. He wouldn’t be able to handle a LT position, but i think he could handle RG/RT with some work
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 28, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
So wait, you are saying you are optimistic about something?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’m realistically optimistic about many things. One of them being Delhomme. I’m just not blindly optimistic about anything, which is prevalent around these parts
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But you are blindly pessimistic. This is prevalent in most of your comments.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jul 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course. . . we’re all blindly optimistic lemmings who agree on everything and never have any intelligent discussions or disagreements. We all think the Browns are going 16-0 and will win the Super Bowl.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 28, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone called him overrated he became underrated, if you can understand that. He shouldn’t have been a first rounder, but in the 3rd it seems like a good pick
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He played more than 1 year.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 27, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I should say that started for a year. A year and a half to be exact.
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I would’ve voted that Pork Chop at RT and Pashos at RG.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
Real guards are stout, like 6foot2 with neck musculature like Goldberg the wrestler, and fat in the gutt and butt to give them a low center of gravity, they are athletic enough to get in front of the ball carrier while pulling on outside the tackle running plays. Eric Steinbach is not stout he´s large, he´s 6´6 and probably can´t even pull very well. Thus he is the center.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Jul 27, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have always thought that the most critical positions on offence are the O-line. You can have average RBs that with a great O-line become great RBs (thinking of Denver from a few years ago). Having a great O-line can also buy time for the QB allowing plays to develop.
With that said I have pondered the idea of drafting an amazing line in 3 years. In the first year draft a Tackle in the first and a Guard in the second. Second year draft a Tackle in the fist and a Guard in the second. In the third year draft a Center in the first. I like this idea because taking lineman high has a good hit rate. Also linemen have the ability to stay in the league for 10+ years; ideally you wouldn’t have to worry about your line for a long time to come. (This plan is for a team that doesn’t have anything resembling a good O-line)
As for the Browns they already have the greatest Tackle in the world, a good Guard and a soon to be great Center. Although the D-line is probably what needs to be address in next year’s draft. I would propose taking a Tackle in the first and a Guard in the second (possibly third). This could result in one of the best O-line in football for years to come.
This would be epically true if Lauvao ends up being good. In this situation Lauvao could end up playing one of the Guard position and the rookie could step up and play the other. Although I like Steinbach I’m not sure he fits Mangini’s idea of a Guard. There has also been a lot of criticism of his play last year and the suggestion that adding weight made him slow and less effective.
Mack improved tremendously, but his inability to shotgun snap at the beginning of the year was really odd. He definitely had a huge impact on destroying the cohesiveness of the offense in the first 6 or so games.
Mack knows getting his hands back up after the snap is huge and was just overzealous in doing so. Once they calmed him down a bit, I think he was fine.
I expect to see a little more of the fire (while still being under control, of course) that made Mack so fun to watch at Cal as he gets more comfortable in the league. You gotta like a guy who just wants to block the #(*& out of everyone.
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He definitely had a huge impact on destroying the cohesiveness of the offense in the first 6 or so games.
This is false.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 28, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d pin that on Collapsable Quinn and Captain Knuckleball.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 28, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd round RT in 2011.
Considering we’ve already got two Firsts on the OL (and a 2nd in Steinbach) got me wondering is this how great lines are built? I went back to the Hogs of the eighties (loosely):
Jacoby: UDFA
May: 1st
Bostic: UDFA
Grimm: 3rd
McKenxie: 11th
Lachey: 1st
If Luavao becomes Grimm we can be more than happy but seems we might need to do better with low rounders and FAs. Of course this doesn’t account for Joe Bugels excellent coaching and team stability but it got me wondering anyhow.
Welcome Joe!
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