Cleveland Browns - Top 5 Training Camp Position Battles
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
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PrintAs the Cleveland Browns get set to begin training camp on July 31, let's take a look at the top five position battles that Eric Mangini and company will have to settle.
Top 5 Training Camp Position Battles for Cleveland Browns
| #1 - RB | #2 - RT | #3 - RG | #4 - No. 2 ILB | #5 - No. 2 WR |
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Players: Notes: By virtue of the Cleveland Browns drafting Hardesty in the second round and the rave reviews he received in minicamp, he has a chance to seize the starting running back role. After Harrison's tremendous finish to last season though, and the years that he's had to endure on the bench, I think it's only fair to have him be the starter. Both backs are expected to "share time," but you can't tell me that whoever has that "starter" label won't be featured more at crunch time. Projection: Harrison, not because of experience, but because of last season's effort. |
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Notes: Few, if any, Browns fans would like to see St. Clair return to a starting role. He was torn apart last season at times (four sacks in one game given up to Denver's Elvis Dumervil) and gave the right side of the line its "weak" reputation. Coming over from the 49ers, Pashos is the favorite to win the job. However, he missed most of last season with a shoulder injury, so he'll need to prove that he's ready to compete. Depending on how guard plays out, Floyd Womack is an outside candidate at tackle. Projection: Pashos, because he's a better run blocker and will allow Delhomme to sleep easier. |
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Notes: "Pork Chop" (Womack) did a fair job anchoring the right guard position last year. He still probably teeters around the average to below average mark for an NFL lineman and would be better suited as a versatile backup. Luavao is this year's young offensive lineman with hopes to crack the starting lineup. Taken in the third round, he will push Womack for the starting role. Similar to the tackle situation, there's an off-chance that Pashos could play guard with Womack at tackle. Projection: Womack, but Luavao will start at some point this season. |
Players: Notes: With Scott Fujita expected to start at one LB spot, the other spot is up for grabs. On one hand, you have D'Qwell Jackson, who has been known to rack up the tackles but fails to make plays that stand out (i.e. few tackles, one career forced fumble). Bowens, on the other hand, was the team's best linebacker last season and took on the leadership role of the unit pretty well. We might see Jackson play on running downs with Bowens coming in on passing downs. Projection: Jackson, but it's a copout because Bowens will be forced to start at outside linebacker.
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Players: Notes: Robiskie received positive reviews for just about everything he did in minicamps this year. While that may earn the respect of the coaches, I don't think Mangini is the type of coach who will start someone just for the sake of starting them. Stuckey has more experience. He struggled a bit in his transition from the Jets to the Browns last season, but he might excel with an August camp under his belt. Projection: Robiskie, but only if he continues his good work from minicamp. If he turns the coaches off like last year, Stuckey can easily slip ahead of him.
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Honorable Mention:
- Safety: T.J. Ward vs. Mike Adams vs. Larry Asante; didn't make the list because I imagine Ward is a lock to start with Adams being needed in a utility role.
For the positions above, remember that the outcomes of the battles will weigh heavily on picking players on the Cleveland Browns for fantasy football, particularly at running back and wide receiver. At wide receiver, you really don't want a No. 3 receiver on the Browns (probably Stuckey) over the starting receiver (Robiskie). Heck, you probably don't want even want Robiskie, but that's beside the point.
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Agree with all the projections. Hopefuly Robiskie steps it up. Not a fan of Stuckey.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
It’s hard to rate any of our receivers based on last year’s performance. Ball catchers are never very impressive without ball throwers to complete the circuit.
It is easy to say that there were lots of balls that should have been caught that weren’t. I think it is reasonable to expect them to improve because of QB continuity, better throws, and familiarity with the offense (Robi and Mass being 2nd year players now, and Stuckey not coming over mid-season).
Still, when a ball hits you in the hands you have to catch it in the NFL. They know they have to do better.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I didn’t think they had that many dropped passes, but maybe I was just blaming every incompletion on the QBs (and St. Clair).
Good article. These are the types of articles I was talking about.
I keep seeing and hearing about Fuijita being a OLB. Pretty much every depth chart I’ve seen (yahoo, espn, PFF), has had him at OLB, and even the rotowire on the left and John Clayton said he’ll be our OLB.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jul 28, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
the team has hinted I believe he will play inside but other people have said he may play outside. he is a 4-3 player who was an OLB in a 4-3 which is why some depth charts may have listed him there. I am not sure where he fits in a 3-4. I don’t know if he really has the pass rushing skills to be an every down 3-4 OLB. Even when he blitzed (which wasn’t that often) he was nothing special for a 4-3 OLB. I see him playing more inside but could play outside…maybe playing outside on rushing plays (early downs) and inside on passing downs.
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He’s going to play both. The ratio of inside to outside is yet to be determined, but you can count on the staff to mix it up.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jul 28, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don’t trust any website enough to know what an OLB should do in our scheme. Clayton regurgitates a lot of jargon and doesn’t know what it means.
It is more than possible that Fujita will line up there some times, but how much of the time is the question. I think it would be ideal if we could find a better pass rusher out there, but then again I’ve never seen Fujita try to rush the passer consistently.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
St. Clair
noone should be competing with him, he should lose his job by his performance last year. He will make for some experienced depth, that’s about it.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
Harrison was blocking well at the end of last year.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
As a pure reciever? No way. If he plays over Robiskie and Stuckey it’ll be because he’s in for plays specifically designed for him.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jul 28, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Cribbs is not a wide receiver. Cribbs will never be a wide receiver.
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by golanbatrac on Jul 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Quatro.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I remain absurdly hopeful that Cribbs will break through some secret developmental wall and become a real WR, but really… cinco.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense, but every comment of yours I read pertaining to the Browns, is just false.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Robo has done so much more at WR than Cribbs.
Like that small thing in his resume that proved he actually played WR in college? It could be in the fine print though, don’t trust me.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t return kicks in college and that worked out ok. The real question is why robiskie did not contribute. He supposedly the most ready NFL receiver, mass was supposedly raw. What happened?
by realmccoy on Jul 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anyone outside of the organization can answer that for sure. It seemed like they threw a lot at them and Robi simply wasn’t able to digest it all. He still runs his routes well and has good hands (what most people mean when they say NFL ready), reports were he was just “thinking not playing”.
I see that as likely. Wanting to know exactly what one should be doing in every situation they face might hurt someone short-term but help in the long run. Massaquoi may simply be more instinctive.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That’s not really a valid comparison. Returning kicks is not a difficult skill to learn; all you have to do is catch the ball and run. Playing wide receiver requires many more skills than that.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Robiskie has at least shown that he can play WR at a high level in college. Cribbs has done nothing to show that he can play WR at any level. The chance of him suddenly becoming a good WR is very small.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What difference does that make?
I apologize for all the negativity on Robo – but he just has not done a damn thing. I understand he was a rookie, but it is very unusual to find a WR drafted that high that could not even make the field on one of the worst offensive teams in the NFL. I do not have the stats, but I guarantee you Cribbs had more catches than Robo last year.
Josh Cribbs in his 5th NFL season had 20 receptions with an AYR of 6.8 (suggesting he received more dump-off passes than anything, more typical of a RB.) Josh’s rookie season yielded 1 reception for 7 yards.
Brian Robiskie in his rookie season had 7 receptions with an AYR of 15.1.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
What difference does that make? Everything! Cribbs is not a WR and he’ll never be one. Robiskie didn’t do much his rookie year, but WR’s rarely make a big impact their rookie year in the NFL. You can look through history to see that. It is concerning that Robiskie didn’t even see the field very much, but maybe his learning curve was just longer than most. But you can’t write him off yet after only one season.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is saying Robo has done anything on an NFL level. He has shown he can run good routes, get open against fast CBs and catch the ball (in college, I know, it isn’t The League) and Cribbs has not really shown he can do this ever.
Robiskie was actually on the field quite a bit toward the end of last year when the scheme allowed him to be (a lot of the time, we needed 2 TE, Cribbs, and a RB to do what we wanted). We simply almost never threw him the ball, and a lot of the time the read didn’t dictate to throw it to him from what I could re-watch from the TV footage.
For whatever reason, we were atrocious at throwing to our actual wide receivers last year. Part of this was them being rookies. Part of it was our QBs being terrible. Part of it was Daboll doing a bad job of trying to get them open.
Will Robiskie ever become a good #2 WR in the league? No one can tell. But he’s shown he can be effective at the highest level of college ball and he has all the tools, which is more than can be said for Cribbs.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
P.S. why the hell has no one tried Cribbs as a semi-RB/HB? Give him the ball in space, let him run. He can clearly do that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree. We need to do this about 5 or 6 times a game and don’t mess around with him lining up wide and running patterns.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This. I am done seeing him as a ‘legit’ WR. We can list him there, but lets line him up more like that and then occasionally at WR to mix it up and keep the defenses honest and not knowing exactly what he will do.
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I would still like to see him out wide for a couple series of plays though. The IS Zone stuff we did with him is great, and you can turn that into the Snag, Scat, Drive, and Follow pretty easily.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I just want two solid backs in Harrison and Hardesty. Personally I could care less who starts ( players do ) Just two very good backs.
I sure hope Robiskie steps up this year.
Goodness gracious. I make a simple comment and I get corrected like a 5 year old. This is why this site out of many is the worst. The first several comments I made years past I had the audacity to mentioned that I was a fan of the Browns for 44 years. I was ridiculed and told" We don’t care how many years you have been a fan" The arrogance here for some reason is overwhelming. The grammar police have spoken. I live with a 27 year experienced English teacher and I get here at this site, Beautiful
Time to pack up the bags.
The only reason people mention how long they’ve been a fan is because they want to feel superior to those who have not been one as long, or for some reason think it makes their opinion matter more. You are the arrogant one in this situation.
If you don’t want to be corrected like a five year-old (notice the hyphen), then don’t type like one. The post you just made is littered with grammatical errors. Sorry if this is harsh, but there is no excuse for ignorance.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to understand that while grammar is important, the context of this site is NOT formal. This is meant to be an informal site for fans to discuss things regarding the Browns. It is not meant to try to show off how inexplicably omnipotent you are at grammar. I’m sorry, but there are many of you on this site that try and best each other with terms that most people do not use. If you want a site that is only for people that is more “upscale” for yourself, then create one and make it a requirement that users must have a four year degree in college and type in only the utmost care of the English language. Otherwise, quit your bitching about users. It is ignorant to think that you can create an informal site for football fans and have every person on the site be perfect with their grammar.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I’m not sure what you mean by an “informal” site, but we don’t want this place to become like most blogs full of writing that sounds like it came from a junior high school student and full of texting language and LOL’s. We want to promote intelligent discussion, and to do that you need to post your thoughts in mature writing. Grammar and puncuation rules are in place for a reason; because they make the language easier for everyone to understand.
Sure, some people do try to use big words and technical phrases to show off their education, and that’s silly, but I don’t see anything wrong with expecting good grammar, spelling, and puncuation. Of course, everyone makes typos and other mistakes so I’m not saying that we jump on every mistake — and people here don’t — but when someone posts a comment filled with errors then it’s hard to take them seriously. I don’t see anything wrong with having high standards for people who post here, because it raises the level of discussion of this blog. If we let every idiot come here to post then this place becomes like cleveland.com.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
full of writing that sounds like it came from a junior high school student and full of texting language and LOL’s
agree completely
like a five year-old (notice the hyphen)
From NTN above…this I have problems with
By “informal” I mean that I’m not going to spend the same amount of time structuring my sentence on this site as I would at work. My emails at my employment are formal and must be carefully created to send on to my supervisors and eventually to my CEO. I come here for personal enjoyment, as I’m sure many do. I’m not going to break down every sentence before I post something on here. I would almost bet you that there are many users on here that only read what others post, because of the reason above.
I took your video as a joke and thought it was pretty funny because the guy did have a million typos up there. It just got really annoying to here NTN write that and then proclaim that there is no excuse for ignorance. Again this is a public website, while trying to maintain a certain level of mature discussion, there is a line that needs drawn. Not every person who is a Browns fan is going to have the education that some have and may not be able to use grammar as well as others. So long as this is a public forum that will not change.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
by Kimble_79 on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went a little overboard, won’t deny that. Also, far be it from me to claim I have perfect (or even good) grammar most of the time. that said, read that guys post again.
This is why this site out of many is the worstthen why are you here?
I had the audacity to mentioned that I was a fan of the Browns for 44 years.I can forgive that error, but it came in the context of the ever-annoying “I have been a fan for a hundred years!” statement. also, if he’s citing his birth date, he’s wrong. I haven’t met anyone under the age of five that cares about sports.
I was ridiculed and told" We don’t care how many years you have been a fan" The arrogance here for some reason is overwhelmingmore typos, lack of punctuation, bad capitalization, all while admitting he just did something people told him not to do last time, and calling everyone arrogant over a joke.
I live with a 27 year experienced English teacher and I get here at this site, Beautiful Time to pack up the bags.I’m not even sure what this sentence means, nevermind the weird capitalization.
Again, I didn’t need to be so harsh, and I overreacted. But if we let this type of stuff become routine, we won’t have any idea what anybody is talking about.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
this seems like a bross-esque “I was wrong but not really.” Let me just say one more time that I really did overreact, and will try not to in the future.
P.S. nothing personal bross, I actually think you’re alright.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
cool. I think you’re allright too NTN. its okay…I am just getting more fame oor the upcoming website bross-isms.com
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I was already playing peewee football when I was 5. I am glad that I have not met you, since it try not to be disgusted by ignorant people.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
I’m seriously hoping this is a joke, but based on your post below…
I am glad that I have not met you, since it try not to be disgusted by ignorant people
there are a couple different ways this could go, but as of right now, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
When you were five, did you even know how many games were in a season?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I have memories of watching the Browns that predate Kindergarten, so yes, I’m going to say I was a sports fan under the age of 5 but my family had conditioned me for it.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that different though. I watched sports with my parents when I was little too, particularly the indians. that doesn’t mean I could name half the positions in the field.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Y’alls be crazy,
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I giggled at this.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I love irony.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It was overkill. The guy said i could care less. That’s twice in recent days someone has gotten crap for that. Not too mention no one even addressed his comments.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I apologized above, bad reaction on my part.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, then maybe people will stop saying “I could care less” when they mean the exact opposite.
And I’m not really sure that me posting that video would be considered “giving crap”, but whatever. I guess we’re all super senstitive now.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the video was fine, his reaction to it was unnecessary, and my reaction to him was equally unecessary. Not sure what others think, but that’s how I see this whole thing.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably about what I thought. Couldn’t tell if Brad was joking. Also, did not watch the video, just saw its title.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
you should watch it, its pretty funny.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I especially like the “hold down the fort” part at the end.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I HATE YOU!
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by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
by we’re you mean yourself right
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Huh? How am I the one being sensitive here?
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re getting upset because people are saying I could care less. Really is it that big of a deal?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
You’re getting upset because people are saying I could care less. Really is it that big of a deal?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Really? Posting that video means that I’m upset?
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Posting that video means that I’m upset?
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I love how your everyone’s mother all of sudden.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
’m just sick of the whining and arbitrary bitching.
A guy comes on the site and makes a harmless comment that’s not negative and isn’t bitching and two people feel the need to jump on him about grammar. It was unnecessary.
Personelly I could care less but it gets old having to sort through what people prick and chose too want to attack, not to mention go off topic on.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Don’t get your damn panties in a wade, it was a joke. and last time I checked your avatar isn’t in the moderator spot so you really have no business doing what you’re doing.
You’re trying to protect someone over the internet? Let’s cut the umbilical cord bro, you’re not the cyber police!
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing what i’m doing? I’m not protecting crap it just gets old having to constantly read pointless attack posts all the damn time.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I love proper language usage, but even to me, BB’s video post seemed a little snippy. Maybe it was the lack of contextual clues though.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jul 29, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It gets old trying to sift through your line of comments trying to protect every other damn profile that gets a little rubbed the wrong way. Seriously, it’s not your job to worry about it, you should quit.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, these 50-comment discussions about who’s being mean and who’s too sensitive and who said what to whom every other day are much, much better. I’m sure everyone here loves to read all this, instead of just letting it go and sticking to discussing football.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Its ironic that the guy that started this whole thing WAS discussing football! I’m not upset at you, I knew it was a joke. It could have been lightened a little, but I knew what it was. NTN just made it worse after-wards. I just get aggravated with the fact that newcomers try to post to this site and get attacked immediately. If this site is to grow and prosper, this is not acceptable. Just my opinion on the whole thing. I could care less either way.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
He’s not a newcomer; he has 600 comments on this site.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Great to see you letting it go by the way.
Also it was on football. You’re the one that took it off topic.
/end transmission
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
word.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
word
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
,blockquote>prick and chose
Some typos are wonderful.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wish it was a typo but i actually had to have a writer come up with that for me
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
m just sick of the whining and arbitrary bitching.
Then maybe you should stop doing it yourself. I post a link to a video and say “please watch this”, and according to you I’m upset and giving someone crap. Did you ever think that maybe you’re the one blowing things out of proportion here? And that every time I say something to someone about their comment, we don’t need to get in to a long conversation about who’s picking on who on this blog?
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
love how your everyone’s mother
really? it should have said you’re. get with it SB.
by Dawg Nuts on Jul 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha, I usually keep up on that very grammatical error but I was angry typing so, apostrophes and contractions be damned.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 30, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No Brad, you just feel this need to try to be superior to everyone. Try shutting up, opening your eyes and be a fan.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
How exactly am I supposed to “be a fan?”
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You do know that he is a Mod (so he is, by definition, superior), has been here much longer than most and contributes a lot more ’fandom" than your underwear that say “Browns” on the waistband right?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 30, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I mostly posted that because I thought it was a funny video. But if you’re so sensitive that you’re going to get upset about it then I’m sorry.
Also, notthatnoise is correct — telling us how long you’ve been a Browns fan is the height of arrogance and superiority. The length of time you’ve been a fan doesn’t mean that your opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else’s, which is what you’re saying with that comment. Maybe you should look in the mirror before you insult other people.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine.
I get the point. Not once here did I use the years of being a Brown fan to be “superior” I stated that in context to a reply. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I never used the years of me being a fan to be better than anyone. We all have suffered enough with the performance on the field, so why would I dog a fan who loves this team as much as I do?
It is obvious I am not cut out for this site. And that is all well in good. Next when you call out someone for there grammar mistakes, just use a tad more tack.
And that is all well in good.
Well and good.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Intensive purposes.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no…its Intents and Purposes
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
come on…I was just correcting him.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
I knew. and I think you missed the joke.
I figured he read the thing at one point about ‘intensive purposes’ vs. ‘intents and purposes’. Since I was the one who originally said ‘intensive purposes’ I decided, just for fun, to correct him in a situation where it was pretty obvious he was making a joke.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
sorry it didn’t seem like a joke. I figured me saying it would make people think that it was a joke…maybe people just thought I was being an ass.
I could tell SB was making a joke (at me…a good one) so I figured the joke would work. I am sorry I made it in a way where you didn’t take it to be a joke…maybe I should have given a sign like ;)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
He could care less.
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no…its couldn’t care less.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
no…itsit’s couldn’t care less.
fixed
by rebuilding year on Jul 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Next when you call out someone for there grammar mistakes, just use a tad more tack.
doing that would make this situation much stickier.
by Dawg Nuts on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think its offensive at all to say how long you’ve suffered as a Browns fan. I like knowing there are people who survived the AFC championship years, the bastard Modell and all the rest. It doesn’t make anyone better, but does provide some perspective on their views.
by HenryDawg on Jul 29, 2010 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen, there are a few free thinkers here after all.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
this leads to the next fight – i get tired of this bullshit about how we all mindlessly follow each others opinions and are unable to form our own thoughts. just because more than one person disagrees with you here, that doesn’t mean they’re mobbing you with robotic group think.
human nature is that people gravitate to those that have similar views. just because i agree with RDC, Golan, Brad, etc. much of the time, that doesn’t mean i do it on every topic just because its them. people need to get off of this.
by Dawg Nuts on Jul 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I completely agree with this.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jul 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That’d be cool if there was a similarity meter, like you could figure out which posters are most aligned with you and which are most opposite.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
That would be awesome — like the similar hitters feature of baseball-reference.com.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t this politicize the site? We’re creating division using opinion.
That’s politics.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 30, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t take too much offense. ville actually said Deja Vu because I made the same mistake recently. Its one of those very common mistakes in english that have almost become part of the language…Things like ATM Machine, PIN Number, or the word Hopefully (which is used incorrectly 99.99% of the time)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Grock don’t worry, Brad always feels the need to try to be superior to everyone ( as far as notthat – i guess he wants to be Brads lackey). A while back I stated I was a fan for x amount of years and he (Brad) did the same thing. I was stating that I’ve been a fan since I was a kid, and have seen the highs and lows and am still a fan. I never tried nor do I continue to belittle others, like some of the small minded on this site. PLEASE ignore these useless ones and continue to be a fan.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
I was stating that I’ve been a fan since I was a kid, and have seen the highs and lows and am still a fan
why do this unless you’re trying to say it makes you better than someone that hasn’t?
as far as me wanting to be brad’s lackey, some of the longest, dumbest arguments on this site have been between me and brad.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you really this ignorant? Or, is it an act? I’ve played football, and have been a fan of football at many levels, for many years. Who are you, to try to tell me who I can be a fan of?
Yes, I agree. I have seen many bo-tarded arguments from you. I just usually do not comment on them. Attacking others for being a proud fan is just plain wrong. Grow up.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
He’s not attacking someone for being a fan, he’s attacking them for using the length of their fandom as and argument for their superiority. We’ve all been Browns fans for a long time and we’ve all seen the highs and lows. You’re not better than anyone else, and the length of your fandom doesn’t make your argument better than anyone else’s.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
No, you are right. Nobody’s length of fandom makes them better than anyone else. Some have just seen more than others, at the time when it happened.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
and when we’re discussing the browns of the 60s, your opinion will matter more.
not when we’re talking about this decade though.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This. I will defer to my dad on any opinions of the old browns (because I did not follow them that much for that long) but at least he respects my opinion of the new browns and i just don’t defer to him. We both lived through that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
But that has nothing to do with the current Browns team.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
History, and the repeat of it, will always be relevant to current situations.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
I don’t see how watching the Browns in the 50’s and 60’s makes someone any more knowledgable about the current team.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
How, exactly are the Browns repeating the mistakes of the past, here?
By not getting good players? By sucking?
I am as big of a fan of history as you’ll find—and I don’t really mind when people say how long they’ve been a fan in the right context—but this is a little out there.
I agree that some comments above got out of hand (heck, those who made the comments agree) but I don’t see how you going back the other way helps anything.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Context is key. More often than not on the interwebs, mentioning how long you’ve been a fan is an appeal to your own authority (fallacy of false ad hominem dichotomies in the brossian dialect) and serves only to preemptively dismiss the opinions of those who might disagree with your take on the subject at hand.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
agreed, I don’t mean to sound like mentioning how long you have been a fan is always wrong, I just think its rarely ever used in the right context.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, and I’ve thought this way since 1979.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought at one point you mentioned you were under 30?? Or maybe I am mistaken…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
I have seen many bo-tarded arguments from you
i guess he wants to be Brads lackey
I’m the one that needs to grow up?
and then you have the audacity to claim:
I never tried nor do I continue to belittle others
look dude, I apologized to the OP, I meant it, and I see no reason why it couldn’t have ended there.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, done.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
word
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Jul 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh…I FINALLY got that…yeah, I am slow.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
word
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 31, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are you, to try to tell me who I can be a fan of?
I think you completely missed his point. He never tried to tell you who you could be a fan of. He was instead questioning why people mention how long they have been a fan if it isn’t to make them better than someone who hasn’t.
And why should age of fanhood matter either (my opinion and I think also what NTN was going for)? If (hypothetically) I got into the browns when I was 16 and didn’t follow sports much until then but got into the browns because I like the team history, does that make me less of a fan (lets say at age 30) than someone who was a fan from age 5? we are all fans of the same team. Why does there have to be fanhood superiority. I think that is what i think NTN was trying to say.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
by the way, it occurs to me that I said I was wrong, but never actually apologized. I am sorry I jumped down your throat over something this dumb.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If anyone is interested in listening to the press conference with Holmgren, the link is below…
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Mike-Holmgren-Press-Conference/01d9f7ce-5381-42bb-9580-dcec3959b313
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
thanks for the link.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I was over there earlier and noticed that as well. Kind of ironic ;)
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I could care less about about a few jabs.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, I could care less aboutabouta few jabs.
Fixed.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I knew when I read it before I posted that there was something wrong with my post. It’s all good now though!
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
For all intesive purposes, that is how I feel.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You do know the phrase is “for all intents and purposes” right? Kind of ironic.
by Onyx Lightning on Jul 29, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA!
I love dramatic irony as well (on Onyx’s part).
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, if you are going to comment here…………..you need to check your posts for errors.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
An ellipse is made up of only three dots. Ironic.
It is a joke? Because we are starting to get good at masking our jokes. Like really well.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the little-used quintuple ellipse.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, this was in reply to Chris, just to make sure everyone fully appreciates my not-so-funny joke.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I feel like the new “thing” is to say something like “fuck you” to someone here, and then when a response is made by someone in fury, I retaliate with, “dude, couldn’t you tell I was kidding?” :p
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 30, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well attacking others for being longtime fans is just wrong. Do I go and attack any of you for your views? I would be happy to know that there are longtime suffering fans, who didn’t go all pukesburgh, after the Browns were stolen away. Some people just have no respect for others. Sad, really sad.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Respect doesn’t mean putting up with someone’s ignorant arguments. It doesn’t matter how long someone has been a fan; if they say something dumb then they’re going to get called on it. It’s not about respect.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not attacking anyone for being a longtime fan. When it comes to things that happened before my time, I have no problem deferring to those that were there. The disconnect is that being alive in the 60s doesn’t make your opinion on the new browns mean any more than mine.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah!? well fuck you!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think we all found my spot. Moon is the crazy off the wall guy, and I am the " Hey – Fuck You Joey" guy.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
I think you misunderstood, my post was a reply to Chris, I wasn’t directing that at you.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the quintuple ellipse would give it away. Also the fact that without you, this site doesn’t exist.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It’d exist, but mooncamping is next in line to take over.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Protect Chris! He’s the most important DBNer!
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Jul 30, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It always takes me by surprise when someone posts about football.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Pretty much anything mooncamping posts takes me by surprise.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s that?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
You see, it’s this athletic competition between two teams with 11 players on each side played on a 100-yard field. The goal of the team with possesion of the ball — called the offense — is to advance the ball, by either running or throwing to another player, the entire length of the field in to an area called the “end zone” which results in six points. Or they can kick the ball throw an upright set of posts for three points. The team without the ball — called the defense — tries to stop the offense from advancing the ball and scoring point. The teams play four 15-minute quarters, and whichever team has the most total points at the end of the four quarter is declared the winner.
It’s a really exciting game. You should try watching once and see if you like it.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 29, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9_kahA_wQo
I mean this purely joking…but I see Brad as the guy with the hat and NTN as the cop.
Please don’t take it personal guys.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
No mention of the criticality of gutt and butt proportions or the corrosive efficacy of the fantasy football mentality? This description cannot be MIDAS approved.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So, I think Pashos will win out over on the right side. Then I beleive Robo will beat out Stuckey.
I've been hearing "Fuck You Joey" forever, so whats makes you so special?
so whats makes you so special?
Please defer to my screen name.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
beleive believe.
I've been hearing "Fuck You Joey" forever, so whats makes you so special?
by J. W. on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
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