Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 18 (Morning & Evening)
With the news of punter Dave Zastudil going on the injured reserve this morning, the team decided to bring back tight end Joel Gamble. I would've thought that with Floyd Womack and Shawn Lauvao scheduled to miss some time that another lineman might be brought in, but that wasn't the case.
The Browns hit the practice field twice on Tuesday -- once in the morning, and once in the evening. Let's get to the cumulative recap of what went down...
TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 18 [MORNING & EVENING] (8/17/10)
- Benard Moves Up to First Unit: The biggest news of the day came during the morning session when fans saw second-year linebacker Marcus Benard playing outside linebacker with the first-team offense, replacing Scott Fujita. Fujita didn't get benched; he actually moved to inside linebacker, taking the spot of Eric Barton (who was taking the spot of D'Qwell Jackson). It seems like a lot of shuffling, but it also adds to the belief that a guy like Benard has a great shot at making the final roster.
- Returning to Action: Several players returned to practice Tuesday morning, including QB Colt McCoy, FB Peyton Hillis, and LB David Veikune. Beyond the usual suspects, the notable players missing from practice were CB Brandon McDonald, RB James Davis, and WR Mohamed Massaquoi. It was mentioned in a previous post that offensive linemen Floyd Womack (knee scoped) and Shawn Lauvao (personal issues) are out for awhile too.
- Brown Gets Delhomme Twice: Defensive back Sheldon Brown had Jake Delhomme's number on Tuesday, intercepting him once in each practice session. The morning session saw him intercept a pass intended for Joshua Cribbs in the two-minute drill, and the evening session saw him intercept a pass intended for Ben Watson on a fourth-down play.
- Touchdown City: Because the Browns ran a lot of situational drills in the evening session (such as red zone, goal line, and fourth-down drills), there were quite a few touchdowns. Among one of the "stars?"...
- Engram Grabs Three Touchdowns: It wasn't the youngsters who shined, but rather veteran Bobby Engram, who had three situational touchdowns during the evening session. Two of the plays came from long-distance -- a 20-yard score from Colt McCoy, and a 40-yarder from Seneca Wallace. If the Browns keep a fifth receiver, Engram just might end up finding himself a roster spot by default. Johnathan Haggerty is gone, Carlton Mitchell is struggling, Jake Allen hasn't stood out, and Taurus Johnson is new. Syndric Steptoe could give Engram the best competition.
- Scuffle on the Field: There was a small fight that broke out between LB Titus Brown and RB Chris Jennings in the morning. Brown was apparently the person at fault for the incident though, because he was the run forced to run a punishment lap. Overall, the incident wasn't too serious.
- More Action for Moore: Although tight end Evan Moore had a drop in the morning, he "redeemed himself" with a 20-yard reception. During the evening session, Moore had at least two touchdowns, again proving to be a viable option for quarterbacks in the red zone.
- Ward's Coverage on Steptoe: During the morning practice, Tony Grossi had praise for the coverage of safety T.J. Ward on one particular play that saw him go over the top of receiver Syndric Steptoe to knock the pass away, all before making contact with the receiver.
- Right Side of Offensive Line: With Womack and Lauvao out, the right side of the offensive line featured Billy Yates (RG) and Scott Kooistra (RT). It was reported that OG Pat Murray also subbed in at right guard a few times. The team should get John St. Clair back pretty soon, and it's hard to believe that right now he is the guy who can help patch the right side back up a bit.
- One to Watch?: Don't look now, but cornerback DeAngelo Smith seems to be making some headlines in camp with a few pass breakups here and there. If the Browns have any intention of keeping an extra defensive back, Smith could sneak his way onto the roster.
- Wide Receiver Brownies: Newcomer Taurus Johnson caught a 5-yard touchdown pass from Brett Ratliff...on another play from Ratliff, a fleaflicker attempt, rookie Carlton Mitchell dropped the pass in the end zone...receiver Jake Allen had at least two drops on the day...running back Chris Jennings was also the victim of a drop.
- Hyping Veikune: If there's one writer who has been promoting David Veikune, it would be the Canton Repository's Steve Doerschuk. He continued the piece he did the other day on trying to cover the specifics of all 80 players in camp. With fewer players to cover now that his first batch was over, Doerschuk went into even more (and therefore entertaining) details in Tuesday's article. Check it out!
Tuesday's Link Collection / Camp Sources
- Around Berea in 80 plays, part deux (Canton Repository, Doerschuk)
- Observations from Browns' first practice session (Akron Beacon Journal, Ulrich)
- Observations from Browns' second practice session (Akron Beacon Journal, Ulrich)
- Good play, injury gives Marcus Benard a shot (Dawg Scooper, Wolf)
- Zastudil knows that IR could mean the end of his career in Cleveland (Plain Dealer, Cabot)
- Browns a little shorthanded on right side of O-line (Plain Dealer, Grossi)
- O-Line depth being tested (The OBR, Greetham)
- The inside scoop on Steinbach's exit (Canton Repository, Doerschuk)
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by golanbatrac on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There is nothing wrong with chubby. Especially her chubby, she’s the good kind of chubby.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
She’s a thousand times better looking if she wears something appropriate to her size. Something loose and low cut that covers her armpit rolls and back fat.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I like how it hugs her tittles though. Very appealing to be on the contrary.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
to me*
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You like her Y.A.’s?
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 18, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
…ugh. Damnit.
Still, she’s a cute girl. I like me some good looking chubbys.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Y.A. Tittles.
SB said that he was a fan of that females “tittles”.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I like to think of it as a mix between titties and nipples, not a short for Y.A. Tittle.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 19, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
(O.T., BTW, the reason I seemed to come ‘late to the party’ on that one thread is b/c I didn’t have my computer, but now I have a new, better one).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Dude, what did Chris say?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I just scrolled down to see why it was closed, and I saw your comment at the bottom and I felt it pissed you off for some reason and it seemed okay just to clarify.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
That’s it, bross. You’re getting banned.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 20, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris didn’t say anything. You may continue to talk about that thread if you desire.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
haha I see what you did there.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 19, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
heh, good one.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 20, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather be with a girl of her proportions than someone anorexic looking. At least you know you aren’t going to crush her…
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 18, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How about a girl who is normal? I shouldn’t have to pick between Tessa the Two Ton Tessie and a paper thin girl.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Okay you guys are seriously overstating that girl’s size on this thread.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 19, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That girl is far from fat.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They are also probably more HPV positive than ours.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 19, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I find the notion that women are significantly different from place to place largely inaccurate.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 19, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
DBN is feeling more like a high school locker room all the time.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 20, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, these things do develop a momentum of their own, and between this and the Thread That Shall Not Be Mentioned Again, there’s plenty of blame to go around. At least this resulted in that awesome Morris Berman photo appearing here (nice add BB) so it wasn’t a total loss.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 20, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
When I hear the name Y.A. Tittle that photo immediately comes to mind, so I had to find it and post it here.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the Y.A. Tittle photo. The best of all of the photos from that era of the game.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what, I was wrong. This is actually a crop of the Dozier Mobley version, not the better-known Berman. Here’s Berman’s full original:

Dig the way Tittle’s head is bowed in this one and the expanded stands behind him. Beauty.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the one. I thought the one Brad posted was just cropped. Didn’t know there was another, lesser version in existence.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
It’s an interesting story. There’s a good article on the two similar shots at http://www.ajc.com/sports/one-moment-two-photographs-207553.html
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for the article. Cool story.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you enjoyed it. I’m a sucker for the backstories on famous photos.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn’t know there was two versions either. When I did a google images search there were many images that looked similar and I just thought they were cropped versions of the same picture, as you said.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy to do. The AJC piece notes that the two are often mixed up and credited improperly, and from cropped thumbnails it’s particularly hard to tell….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like he´s waiting for a plant to sprout through the power of mind control.
by mooncamping on Aug 21, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You must find Jack Black funny then.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d tell you to search the name, but you don’t have internet anymore.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Aug 21, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This made me laugh
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I find the notion that people are significantly different from place to place largely inaccurate.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 20, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well, yes, that too.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Go back to watch the 2009(?) NBA playoff series of Orlando vs Cleveland. Just look in the stands. Orlando’s stands were stocked with beautiful women. Clevelands were stocked with…. women. Nothing against Cleveland, its a great town and I love the Brownies with all my football heart.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I don’t think the crowd in the good seats of an NBA playoff game is a representative sample of all women in the city.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 21, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
uh…wut?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Doerschuk on Veikune:
No. 57, Veikune, is back from an injury. Keep an eye on this kid. He can bench press 225 pounds 40-some times and is starting to figure out how to play. He’s running with the twos in 11 on 11s with fellow 2009 draft pick Kaluka Maiava as the other inside backer. He diagnoses what’s behind the pile at the snap, hustles all the way around to his left, and darts in to confront RB Jerome Harrison.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Good to hear he was injured (not simply terrible) and making enough progress to be working with the 2’s. I was beginning to worry that he was indeed a “sunk cost”, but it seemed a little suspicious that he wouldn’t play at all during a preseason game.
It would be hard to him to take an ILB spot from Fujita/DQ/Gocong, but if he can work his way on to sub packages this year that would be a welcome sign of life.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Agree this is good news, but the line that he is “starting to figure out how to play” is kinda funny.*
*Yes, yes, I know he is making a difficult transition from line to linebacker, etc., etc. But he was a 2nd round pick.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 18, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Here are the five defensive players drafted before him, followed by the five drafted after him (all were taken in the second round):
everette brown de car 15 tackles 2.5 sacks
clint sintim lb nyg 10 tackles 1 sack
connor barwin de hou 11 tackles 4.5 sacks
michael mitchell s oak 8 tackles 1.5 sacks
darcel mcbath db den 13 tackles 2 int
william moore db atl no stats
fili moala dt ind 4 tackles
paul kruger de bal 4 tackles 1 int
sherrod martin db car 14 tackles 3 int
sean smith db mia 31 tackles
Given the difficulty of the transition from DE to ILB, I don’t see where he’s that far behind the players listed above.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s sort of astounding actually. Hard to believe there hasn’t been a single guy out of 11 who made an impact at the NFL level from the mid-to-late second round last year.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have taken Barwin’s 4.5 sacks and talent. I had him higher than Veikune, but he was gone. Barwin only played a little DE at Cincy after switching positions from TE. The kid needs to refine his skills but he is talented.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I like Sintim.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would’ve thought that with Floyd Womack and Shawn Lauvao scheduled to miss some time that another lineman might be brought in, but that wasn’t the case.
i agree. bringing in joel seems like a gamble. bu-dum tshhh
Jake is my hommeboy
bu-dum tshhh
Try this. Instantrimshot.com
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been skeptical of Ward. I think I am ready to jump on the bandwagon. Who is driving this thing anyways? Dorn?
Yup — I remember you saying that you thought he’d bust. Let’s hope you were wrong.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 18, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He keeps making open field tackles like he did on Donald Driver I will gladly eat crow.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 18, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I am completely on board with Ward. After that hit he put on Driver, I was excited. Is the second coming of Eric Turner finally here. If he’s that kind of safety, all I gotta say is its about time.
by The naome40 on Aug 18, 2010 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Prediction:
At some point this season Ward does not wrap up on a tackle and gives up a big play.
After watching the game again, there were several times he “thudded” the ballcarrier like they do in practice. I really like him and think he will work out for us as a good player, but this is something he really has to work on.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
There is a difference between a good tackler and flashy tackler. I remember having this convo once. We’re all on the bandwagon because they were flashy hits. Most were still good but not to form. I think it’s just because he’s an excited rookie, it’ll get better.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 18, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The play where he wrapped up Driver in the flat was a thing of beauty.
Granted I didn’t see the game, I am going off of youtube highlights.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 18, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that tackle what exactly what he needs to do.
There were too many where he hit but did not wrap. At least one of them is in the highlight, if I remember correctly; Packers going right to left, Ward on the high side of the screen. He ends up making the tackle, but the guy bounces off first.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I heard Ward himself talking about this on Training Camp Daily after the game. He said he was used to “thudding” in practice and he forgot to wrap up in the game. So at least he’s aware of this and hopefully will remember in the future.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like a lot of shuffling, but it also adds to the belief that a guy like Benard has a great shot at making the final roster.
Great shot? I think it’s pretty much a lock that Benard makes the roster (absent injury).
by TheDriveStillHurts on Aug 18, 2010 2:18 AM EDT reply actions
Would it be disruptive to bring in a warm body for OL? Isn’t it better to stick with what you got and maintain rhythm rather than bring in a new guy? (Just a thought).
With that said, the right side of the OL is frightening for a Browns fan.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 18, 2010 7:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think it’s that bad once we get Pashos healthy. The pass blocking will be sub-par, but we should have one of the better run blocking right sides in the league.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 18, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Engram is a winner. Put some effort into Mitchell, I think he´s worth it. Maybe McCoy should stay longer and throw to him after practice, maybe it´s just the jitters. On a side note, do you know the 40 times and vertical jump numbers on Jake Allen and Carlton Mitchell, it might decide how they are used?
I´ve got Massaquoi at wide out, Engram in the slot, and Moore at tight end, for the basic formation, hows about everyone else?
I´ve got Massaquoi at wide out, Engram in the slot, and Moore at tight end, for the basic formation, hows about everyone else?
Although I’m fine with having Stuckey in the slot, I wouldn’t be upset with seeing this trio in there.
Previous reports indicate that Jake Allen could run a 4.56, and I think Carlton Mitchell ran a 4.50.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 18, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Mitchell was under 4.5
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Speaking of this, we could use a couple of those sub 4.4 guys somewhere on this offense. I know 40 times aren’t everything, but this is one of the areas where I think we could use a bump in the speed of a position group.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’d rather have Watson at TE on first and second down.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions

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