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Cleveland Browns' New Ring of Honor

 

Last night I read the story in the Plain Dealer about Jim Brown's decision to skip the ceremony for the new Ring of Honor at Cleveland Browns Stadium. I was wondering what the bigger piece of news is in that statement.

On one hand, there seems to be a major problem in the relations between the team and Jim Brown since Holmgren took over. From an outsider's perspective I believe that it's important for the team to have regular, meaningful contact with the great Browns players from the winningest era in Browns football. Especially the input from the man many consider to be the greatest RB of all time. Naturally, I know nothing of what happens behind the scenes. It seems Holmgren and Brown don't see eye to eye. Lets hope they can fix that soon for the benefit of the franchise.

On the other hand, I'm really excited to hear about the creation of the Ring of Honor. It's an aspect of Lambeau that I've always liked. It's something that I've wanted to see at Browns Stadium for a while now and for a few reasons.

One of the reasons I've wanted the Ring of Honor is for the influence it can have on the players. The current and future Browns players should have a regular reminder of the greatness of this franchise. They should be reminded of the amount of championships won. They should be reminded of the amount of Hall of Famers that have played for this team. It should serve as a motivator for the players. They should strive to live up to the standards set. They should strive to one day see their name listed on that Ring of Honor. (I think we've got two guys in Joe Thomas and Josh Cribbs who could one day see their names on the Ring of Honor. That having been said, I think it's a shame that there haven't been any HOF caliber Browns players since Ozzie Newsome retired.)

I think that the Ring of Honor could play a nice role in free agency. Perhaps it's the optimist in me that hopes that when visiting teams come in and see those players' names and the accomplishments of this franchise then they would want to one day be a part of that legacy as well. The same could be said for prospective draft picks that the team brings in to work out.

To a lesser extent, I think the Ring of Honor could influence the opinions of the media and rival fans. We know how much the media and football fans across the country have been down on the Browns. They've had good reasons for their opinions since 1999. But you still get those people who make comments that basically say that Browns have never down anything. The kind of people who don't seem to think that championships existed for football prior to the Super Bowl. Some of them think that non-Super Bowl championships don't count. Who knows what's going through their heads. Maybe it'll make them think twice or maybe it won't. If it gives the team back a little of the respect it deserves then it's worth it. Nonetheless, it's food for thought and the added reminder of the legacy of this franchise is duly needed for the present and the future of the team.

I'm sure that Mike Holmgren was instrumental in the establishment of the Ring of Honor given his days coaching at Lambeau. We should send a shout out to him and everyone else involved for creating another vital link to the greatness of the franchise.

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I had no clue they were doing this but I think its frickin AWESOME!!!

by BrutalMovement on Aug 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Jim Brown was just an awesome dude from the early Browns. I doubt he has any real ability to help bring a team together or be Holmgren’s right hand man.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I can live with Holmgren and Lerner cutting Brown out of the loop, taking away his position and his inexplicable six-figure salary, and treating him the same as any of our other greats.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Aug 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the idea of a Ring of Honor, but I highly doubt it will help us bring in any free agents. Players care about two things — how much are you going to pay them and the chance to compete for a championship. They don’t care about how many great players the Browns had 4 or 5 decades ago.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d add opportunity for playing time to that list, but I basically agree.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 23, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that’s another one.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of players actually cite history or tradition or trying to restore a once-great team to respectability as a reason for coming here.

That said, I think it would be low down the list of priorities for potential FAs, with playing time, money, and rings ahead by a clear margin.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 24, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, it’s a bit optimistic on my part to say it could affect FAs. The realist in me knows better. I’m sure that they’ll point it out to potential FAs but like you guys said, it probably won’t factor into their decision. It is more of a college recruiting tactic, though.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

They may say that, but it’s probably just one of those things playes say because they know the fans like hearing it. It doesn’t mean it actually affected their decision at all.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 24, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the one we don’t speak of that went to Florida basically said that.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 24, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Brown as a football player was great, but his decision to skip the ceremony says to me that Jim Brown cares much more for Jim Brown than he does about the Cleveland Browns. It seems shameful to see this come to pass, but I think the shame is Jim Brown’s alone.

by JustBob on Aug 23, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair to Jim Brown, he didn’t really get along with the organization when he played here either.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 24, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Brown is an asshole. Always was; always will be.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as we esteem him as a player, as a person he’s been much too controversial.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a Mangini sort of player, that’s for sure!

Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs

by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was mainly on Modell.

by talonk on Aug 25, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe you mean Paul Brown.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Jim Brown got along with either of them, but Modell was the reason he retired when he did.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 25, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Modell bought the team in ’61 and fired Paul Brown after the ’62 season because of the Bobby Mitchell/Ernie Davis trade.
JB reportedly retired because he was ticked off that the team was going to fine him for showing up late for camp in ’66 because he was busy shooting The Dirty Dozen. Classic prima donna thinking he was bigger than the team and the game.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 26, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he though that he was bigger than the team or the game, I think he was making more money shooting movies than playing football and was upset at Modell for not giving him more money so he retired. I don’t know if that makes him a prima donna. Barry Sanders also retired when he was in his prime — does that make him a prima donna? Does that mean he thinks he’s “bigger than the team and the game” like you said about Brown?

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 26, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think what he’s saying is Brown put himself ahead of the team and retired over prima donna reasons, not that he was a prima donna because he retired.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This. Players have always been expected to show up on time for training camp. I get that he made more money from the movie than from playing football but how does that excuse him for not showing up on time with the rest of the team? The team fining him for showing up late says to me that either he didn’t communicate his intentions to the team, or he did and they told him to report on time and were ticked when he didn’t. He was ticked that they had the nerve to fine him, so he…retired.

Comparing Sanders’ situation with Brown’s is like comparing apples to oranges. Sanders was on a team destined to go nowhere and was tired of it. I don’t blame him or think badly of him for retiring. He wanted to go to a contender and they weren’t willing to give up the only player they had. He didn’t have much of a choice. Keep playing and getting beat up with no hope of winning or retire with his health.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 27, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it happened this way .. but I seem to recall that the original shoot date was to end right before training camp started and he would have missed minimal time.

But as movie shoots go, the Dirty Dozen’s shoot ended up going over. When Modell called him to report, he said he had to finish the movie and that is when the fracas started.

Hopefully one of our elder statesmen can confirm or deny this.

by talonk on Aug 27, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Brown strikes me as someone who notices how good the owners have it compared to the players, especially ones that the game has chewed up and spit out. This couldn’t have made him happy either.

Players are asked to put the team and the game before themselves and the teams and the game usually don’t reciprocate.

I am all for working hard for a communal goal or a company or for the glory of someone other than yourself. But when you put in your hard work, you are supposed to be taken care of later.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 26, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown has been plenty taken care of by the franchise.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the time, was he?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 27, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea, but for him to be mad now I think is not fair to Randy Lerner.

"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 27, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

right, let him be mad at modell, joe thomas knows we won’t blame him for that, but what did Randy Lerner do to him? I know they fired him from being an advisor, but Lerner has taken good care of Jim Brown for years.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is fine, and explains the attitude around him skipping the ceremony, but if he hadn’t been taken care of by the franchise at the time I don’t think I could blame him for retiring.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 28, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh I certainly don’t blame him for retiring. he wasn’t treated right by the organization, and was making more money doing other things.

but it’s been over 40 years. the people who were responsible for that are long gone.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But this whole conversation stems from a comment from dawgtribe calling him a prima donna for the way he retired, which is why rufio is defending him for the way he was treated at that time.

That is seperate, however, from what is going on how with the Ring ceremony.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 28, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously the issue is with the present organization and the respect he feels he isn’t getting from them. I don’t think he bears a grudge over the circumstances surrounding his retirement because we would have heard something about it long ago.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 30, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with the last bit. He was great as a player and not at all a prima donna…but I feel he has turned into a bit of one.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 1, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this (especially the first Paragraph). Brown also strikes me as somewhat pessimistic and cynical about sports nowadays (thats just my feeling), because of the differences between now and then, especially salaries.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Brad said … he was making more $$ from the movies. Why wouldn’t he want to finish his shoot before returning to camp.

Besides, in those days, players get very little $$ like they do nowadays. Almost every player had to have an offseason job to support themselves and their families.

While Brown may have been a prima donna, I believe he had earned that right at that stage of his career. Modell had issues paying anyone $$ in those days. I am not old enough to recall that, but my uncle and father both have stated this many times before. I will defer to some of the older posters from that era, but Modell hurt this team quite a bit in the 60s as well as his dastardly deeds in the 90s.

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ring of honer

It appears that Mr. Brown doesn’t want anything to do with the Browns,the ring of honer, or Cleveland unless he’s getting payed.(I sure hope thats not true) but it seems to be,. I would think he would be honored to be part of The ring of fame.
Please say it aint so Mr. Jim Brown.

by dawginhouston on Aug 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

jim brown is a product of another era. he is like that grumpy grandpa who is a bit racist against the “japs”. he is stuck in a past era when civil rights for all was still a dream. i feel sorry for him.

by rockybrown on Aug 30, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

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