Around the Pound (8/25): Player Injuries, Transactions, and Colt McCoy's Roster Spot
With all of the daily training camp updates that took place the month of August, "Around the Pound" was temporarily placed on the shelf. It's officially back now, marking its first edition since July 21. Today, we take a look at some recent quotes by Browns players, some minor transactions that have taken place, and the job security of one Colt McCoy.
Colt McCoy's Roster Spot in Jeopardy?
Stirred by a report from the Plain Dealer's Tony Grossi, speculation has begun that third-round pick Colt McCoy might be "on the bubble." If you look around on the Internet, I really think people are putting too much thought into what appears to be a personal opinion of Grossi's rather than a substantiated rumor (unless there's another article I'm missing):
Players who appear to need good showings in the last two games to make the roster include linebacker David Veikune, tight ends Robert Royal and Alex Smith, running backs Chris Jennings and James Davis, quarterbacks Brett Ratliff and Colt McCoy, and receiver Carlton Mitchell.
While McCoy certainly hasn't played very well this preseason, he's only done so behind a backup offensive line. It doesn't make any sense to have that be the only opportunity you're going to give a third-round rookie before cutting him loose, which is why I feel pretty confident McCoy isn't on the bubble.
With that said, if he came down with a minor injury over the next two weeks, it wouldn't surprise me to see him stashed on the injured reserve so that Eric Mangini could keep Brett Ratliff. In a press conference this morning, Mangini seemed to indicate that if everything went well with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace against the Detroit Lions, then both may sit out the final preseason game against the Chicago Bears. Mangini used the same tactic last year with Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.
This would give Mangini a better idea of how McCoy can play with the first-string offense. Mangini noted in his press conference that he's been part of teams that have kept two, three, or four quarterbacks on the roster, hinting that he isn't opposed to straying from the traditional "three quarterback" system.
Quotes / Notes from Browns Players & Coaches
- QB Seneca Wallace (On not showing the Wildcat in the preseason): "With me and (Josh) Cribbs out there, it's going to be very tough to stop. I don't want to let teams know what we have up our sleeves."
- WR Joshua Cribbs (On improving his receiving skills): "The motivation I've had throughout has been the negative comments and naysayers about my abilities."
- Eric Mangini (On if he had any criticism for Robiskie for not laying out for a ball thrown to him in the end zone) -- "I’ve never looked at Brian Robiskie and thought that he’s a guy that doesn’t do everything he can to catch footballs. I don’t question that decision by him."
Tuesday/Wednesday Practice Notes and Injuries
On the offensive line, veteran John St. Clair missed practice Tuesday and Wednesday due to personal issues. The good news is that both Shawn Lauvao and Tony Pashos returned to practice on Tuesday. Mangini said that barring any setbacks, Pashos should play in this week's game against the Detroit Lions. That means that we might see our regular season starting offensive line blocking for Delhomme for the first time this preseason.
Also returning to practice on Tuesday were WR Mohamed Massaquoi and LB David Bowens. It's great to hear that Bowens is back, because he played pretty well at the end of last season to the point where I regarded him as our best linebacker at the time.
Since camp is closed to the public, even the media can't publish the specifics of what went down in practice anymore. With that said, CBS Rapid Reports noted that in Tuesday's practice, Seneca Wallace fired a 50-yard pass to Jake Allen was the offensive highlight, while the defensive highlights came from Gerard Lawson, who had a good day in red zone drills.
Lastly, according to a tweet by the Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot, "RB Montario Hardesty put pads on and plans to run outside, another step [forward]." I didn't list this as major news, because it doesn't mean the second-rounder is involved in team drills yet.
Hello Ivey, Goodbye Danso
After placing Kwaku Danso on the waived/injured list, the Browns went out and filled his roster spot with nose tackle Travis Ivey. Ivey, an undrafted free agent from Maryland, was in camp with the Miami Dolphins originally.
Off-Beat Notes
- The Emmy awards are this Sunday; feel free to share which television shows you are rooting for! I'd love to see LOST win something as a nice "goodbye" to the show, and I'd also like to see Glee take home several categories for its first season.
- The second "Saboteur" gimmick on Big Brother was a joke. They basically handed $20,000 to a contestant for taping video clips that even the houseguests felt were a joke. Nonetheless, I'm still watching...
- The Browns game has an early start time this week. The game is scheduled to start Saturday at 5:00 PM EST.
- The official Dawgs By Nature Fantasy Football Draft takes place this Sunday at 9:00 PM. To those involved, don't forgot! If you can't attend, please let me know because I'm really hoping we can get all 12 people to be there.
- Be sure to visit Along the Olentangy, the newest Ohio State Buckeyes blog here on SB Nation. It is being co-run by Tyler (formerly known as gahnki). Be sure to stop on over and pay him a visit!
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mooncamping posted a little bit on his football background with this comment; thought people might miss it since the thread is a few days old:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/8/21/1635679/instant-recap-browns-lose-19-17-to#45105124
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No way McCoy gets cut. How can they cut a rookie when they were selling his jersey at Training Camp. From a pure businesss standpoint I dont think the Browns can cut him.
Grossi threw his name in there intentionally for this kind of reaction.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
See Grossi throw out controversial yet vaguely plausible rumor. See Yahoo! pick it up with big headline like Could the Browns cut Colt McCoy? See the rumors fly.
Watch the Plain Dealer’s pageviews rise. Watch Grossi smile and plan for his next raise. Earn, Grossi, earn!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 25, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t blame him. Those spray-on tans don’t come cheap.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s interesting how MKC is reporting that McCoy will make the final roster despite his struggles. Her conclusion is based on what Mangini said about Colt’s struggles:
"I think you saw that with [the Rams’ Sam] Bradford [Saturday night]. It’s confusing. A lot of stuff happens here that you haven’t faced. It’s faster, ev erybody’s good and it takes some time for things to slow down, especially at that spot because you have so much responsibility.
“He [McCoy] was in one system at a pretty high comfort level for a long time and now he’s thrust into another system with a very different practice pattern. It’s not the easiest thing in the world to do, but to his credit, he works consistently. He doesn’t get flustered by it. He’s done a nice job with Jake and Seneca, seeking out their guidance. It’s a hard transition.”
He left it open that they could carry four QBs because it’s a position of value and they could trade away one of them for something. I’m assuming he meant Ratliff but he left it open to interpretation.
The whole story is retarded. We know why Delhomme and Wallace were brought in. They came in to mentor him and to keep the seat warm for him until he’s ready to compete. They were brought in as an upgrade over BQ/DA. It’s funny that they are doing exactly what they were brought in to do and because they are doing it well enough these writers jump to conclusions that McCoy is “on the bubble”.
Ridonculous.
Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
Mangini’s quote there seems dead on. The idea that we’ll cut Colt at this point seems highly unlikely, given that we’ve had so little opportunity to gauge and develop his potential and that we’ve got two viable QBs with good mentoring potential ahead of him on the roster. It does make good headlines, though.
That said, are we really going to keep 4 QBs? I don’t see Ratliff having much trade value, and trading Colt seems almost as odd as cutting him unless someone out there is quietly letting it be known that they’re very interested….
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If I had to guess, I’d say that McCoy gets at least the same opportunity as David Greene (QB Seahawks; 3rd round 2005). Greene never saw any game action in his two years in Seattle, but made the roster both years as a #3 behind Hasselback and Wallace.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think his spot is all locked up. I voted more out of wishfulness.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
so you want him cut already? why?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think I “want him cut” but I prefer Ratliff over McCoy and I dont think that we ought to carry 4 QBs. I like the guy personally but I dont think he’s ever going to amount to anything more than a blase 3rd string QB.
But again, I defer to the wisdom of Holmgren.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
What has Ratliff done that makes you think he has a better future than McCoy? Certainly McCoy is no guarentee to be a good starting QB some day, but at least he’s a rookie who we haven’t seen what he can do yet. We’ve seen what Ratliff can do and he’s nothing special. Why keep him over McCoy? What upside does he have?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 26, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Even if Ratliff is marginally better than McCoy today, Ratliff has had years to get where he’s going, and you have to think we’ve seen more or less what he’s got to show. Colt, he’s got some room to develop and a good environment here to do so….
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The only upside Ratliff has is that he doesn’t look like a deer in the headlights when he is on the field. I don’t feel confident with McCoy as the 3rd string QB, but I don’t see the logic in keeping a 4th QB when there is plenty of playable talent that could be kept on the roster in place of Ratliff.
The only upside Ratliff has is that he doesn’t look like a deer in the headlights when he is on the field.
he certainly didn’t look confident or poised on saturday (and only marignally more composed than McCoy). from what I have seen of ratliff the first 2 games, he may only be marginally better than McCoy at this point (and its definitely too early to tell).
and what you said, thats not an upside. when BB talks about upside, he is talking about potential. If Ratliff, a veteran who was on the team last year, can barely outperform a 3rd round rookie who is new to the offense and the team, how much better can he really get?
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and what you said, thats not an upside. when BB talks about upside, he is talking about potential. If Ratliff, a veteran who was on the team last year, can barely outperform a 3rd round rookie who is new to the offense and the team, how much better can he really get?
The upside comment was meant to be tongue and cheek, but whatever.
well…tongue in cheek often is supposed to be funny, and dude…you just got tomatoes thrown at you on open mike night.
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by bross09 on Aug 27, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is no such thing as a third QB you can feel confident with. otherwise, they wouldn’t be a third QB.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 26, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. I’m not worried at all about the confidence I have in the 3rd QB. If he’s in the game then we’re probably not going to win anyways, so why does that matter? I want a 3rd QB with potential to get better and possibly be a starter some day, and that’s what McCoy is and Ratliff is not.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 26, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If either of those QBs play, I’d like to see us go to the “eff you we are running the ball” offense we saw late last year.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I adore that offense
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
Ditto, old school all the way. With Hillis on board, this could be even more entertaining.
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 27, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Grossi is my arch-nemesis now. He should have been canned the moment those words went to press. Idiot.
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It actually does have a negative effect on the team. The comment has the potential to shake the confidence of McCoy when I assume he catches wind of it. Additionally, it undermines the credibility of the front office for drafting a cut-able player in the 3rd round. I am assuming this comment is without any reasonable basis other than neither QB has played well in the preseason. If this is the reason he made the comment, I think Grossi should take a look in the mirror.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
Not a fan of McCoy, but ....
the Browns “braintrust” would be asinine to give up on McCoy at this time. Grossi’s brain here is a bit “mossy” me thinks.
he’s only done so behind a backup offensive line
But he’s going against a backup defense.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
And the fact that our backup offensive line is getting killed by the backup defense is a testament to just how bad that offensive line is. The Packers and Rams didn’t have anywhere near the problems with their backup offensive lines in pass protection.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 25, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And so is BQ.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Something seriously needs to be done about Rotoworld.
Their comments are pieces of objective crap. Please pull them off the widget screen or send them an email on how much they suck or something please!
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I think you mean subjective.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
Damn, yes I did.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Objectively speaking, I think they are crap.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Aug 26, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sorry, I like having it there. I agree the comments sections are laughable, but I always check the feed still.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
on the off beat
I watched Glee once, it was terrible.
That’s fine, not everyone’s cup of tea.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 26, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I will admit it is an acquired taste, and not the best acted or written show on the planet…but I still love it!
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They hooked me in with Journey and I’ve been helpless since. Sue Sylvester is also a wonderfully acted character.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I totally agree. I have always liked journey though, but they definitely have introduced a lot of people to a lot of different types of music.
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I can’t stand Journey.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 29, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Glee kind of rocks dude, not gonna lie.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
it is my guilty pleasure (granted, I used to be a theater geek). I haven’t had a good guilty pleasure show since Gossip Girl got bad after the first season (yes I said it), unless you count dexter.
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Dexter isn’t a guilty pleasure. Dexter is a damn good show. I’m currently on season 7 of Stargate SG-1. Looking forward to the return of Parenthood and hoping to find another show besides Parenthood to add to my weekly must watch list (which, at present, includes Parenthood and nothing else).
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I watch both Dexter and Parenthood. Dexter is awesome.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
I dunno, I recently started watching Dexter, and while season 1 was great, season two just isn’t doing it for me.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought season 2 wasn’t bad. It wasn’t as good as season 1, but was still good. i did feel it had a lull in the middle (but many seasons do). The beginning was pretty solid and the last 2 episodes were amazing. Season 3 isn’t anything special.
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Love Dexter and I love Psych. If you can’t get down with Gus, then you just can’t get down.
Plus, Dorn.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Psych.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Every Friday in Santa Monica @ 10 O’Clock there’s a MuRdEr….
"Let your Cleveland hang out!!!" *tm
by Drexel Dawg on Aug 26, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Psych is awesome. I remember seeing previews for it being a new show and thinking “I’m gonna love that”, haven’t stopped since.
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What?!?

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I need these.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Psych Shawn and Gus Bobblehead Set
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Holy Joe Thomas!! I just realized they’re talking bobbleheads! Christmas can’t get here soon enough!
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
what do you mean what? I predicted I would like that show and I did (granted my phrasing was a bit unconventional).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
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What?! is one of Shawn and Gus’ sayings.
I don’t think he was questioning your psychic ability to guess what shows you will like. Relax.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 27, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah what Bernie said. They always say What?!?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I mean…moreo f the guilty pleasure of rooting for a serial killer. It is a damn good show except season 3 feels kinda sucky. then again, it sucks to that standard but is still better than 90% of stuff out there.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
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yeah…it really is a weird show for me to like…but was my guilty pleasure a couple years ago. at the time, my sister was like 12/13 and she would always watch TV when I did homework…then it got all dramatic and it had all these suspenseful moments, and somehow I got hooked…but then it sucked when it started to go into all the crappy, sappy relationships (2nd season). when it was people getting accused for murder, then it was interesting…wow…I know WAAY too much about GG.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Regarding the Colt McCoy poll. Did you mean roster spot in jeopardy, now or later?
I mean he fits the Holmgren prodigy mold, as in none chosen above round three, and with a sobering price tag, also potentially benchable behind a quarterback of his choosing, like he did to David Greene for two years? Maybe. But then again the expectancy is kind of high, considering the damage he did in college? So not so much. Also, is he the personality type, an unquestioning system quarterback? Well umh, no.
So based on these parameters. Now. No. Later. Certainly.
The poll meant now.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 26, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
how is grossi the hall of fame voter representing the cleveland browns? he contributes as much as bill livingston to improving the football knowledge of fans………can we get terry pluto or cabot to lead a coup against him?
Cabot is also bad.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Pluto is not purely a browns guy and is more of an all encompassing cleveland sports writer with great opinions than a beat writer who focuses on one team. But I would love MKC to lead it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
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Ah crap. I’m going to end up like DA and BQ, aren’t I?
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