Arizona Throws in the Towel, Anderson to Start This Week
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WHY ARE WE YELLING?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
Hope you don’t mind, I edited it because I’m compelled by the news but wanted to make sure people weren’t distracted by the all caps.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries; I hope I didn’t discourage you from future posting, lol.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 26, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously, if DA starts into the regular season, that’ll be awesome
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
If nothing more than to open the door to make fun of Leinart. Guy gets beat out by a (former) MVP quarterback in his 80’s. Then when it finally looks like he’s going to get his starting job back he gets beat out of a starting spot by a guy whose QB rating last year should have been in the negatives.
by Chief WaDrew on Aug 26, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
To be clear, I don’t condone making fun of Warner, dude is a stand up guy.
But point taken nonetheless.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Warner. I really do. Living near St. Louis during the “Greatest Show on Turf” was super exciting, and he is a great (borderline HOF player), but for Leinart coming out of a QB system at USC and not being able to take the reigns just makes me smile a little on the inside.
by Chief WaDrew on Aug 26, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Warner is HOF bound.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not sure if its first ballot (if he won that last SB, he may have a better shot) but
he is definitely a HOFer to me.
Sometimes though, they decide if you are a ‘first ballot’ HOFer by comparing you to other first ballot HOFers. Also, I don’t know how much validity there is to this, but I hear that the reason Chris Carter was not a HOFer was b/c people didn’t want to put him in the hall before Rice. this is the kind of stuff that may keep Warner out of the hall (lets say people want to put favre in before him for example).
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the “first ballot” stuff is a much bigger deal in baseball than in football. warner’s getting in as soon as he’s eligible, and he should. the shit with writers saying “i don’t like the cut of his jib so he doesn’t get in on the first ballot” is so exhaustingly baseball.
NFL is actually a pretty difficult process, I doubt Warner gets in right away.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
yeah, i agree it’s a difficult process, i wasn’t trying to say it wasn’t; i just think keeping a player out in his first year of eligibility just to make a point is more of a baseball thing than a football thing.
I agree. its more of a baseball thing than a football thing. HOWEVER, it HAS been done in the past. Like I said. Chris Carter/Jerry Rice. I think if Favre retires after this season, they may wait until Favre becomes a first ballot. Plus, I think Warner is a HOFer, but the consensus definitely is not him being a HOFer, especially not a first ballot. I have heard some people say that he may be a HOFer:
Myers later quoted ESPN’s John Clayton as saying: "He needs to win this game. I don’t think there is any question," although Clayton said Warner could also get in with a few more elite seasons
"He’s not even in the conversation," Vito Stellino, a football writer and a Hall of Fame voter, was quoted as saying last week if the Cardinals didn’t win.
Stellino is a HOF voter, and I believe Clayton is too. As it stands, neither one thinks he is a lock, and Stellino may not even vote for him. This article I found it from in the NYT goes on to say that the fans recognize him as a HOFer, but not all the writers do.
I personally think he is one of the best playoff QBs in history and therefore should get in and possibly be a first Ballot…However, it is not up to me or you.
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Yes, this is fantastic!
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 26, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I just noticed this.
Freakin’ awesome.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fourthed. Excellent move!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Woooo! FanShots on all pages! Here we go BROWNIES! Here we go!
"i want to suck the f-ing quarterback. This is football." -discoinferno083
by Simmsinns on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bahahahahaa. I feel terrible for Beanie Wells, and Larry Fitzgerald.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
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by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
This would probably help Wells as Wisenhunt will be terrified of looming Anderceptions.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
As long as there aren’t any Anderfumbles before the hand off…
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 26, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Weak.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. Don’t care, doesn’t change the fact he’s a really really bad QB.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked it
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
At least yours actually flowed into the word interceptions. His was like a butt joint. Blunt.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Anderbles better for you?
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!
by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 27, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
In terms of acoustics, no.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It has a little onomatopoeia, though
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
‘Anderbles’ is the sound an NFL franchise makes when it realizes that it’s best option at quarterback is Derek Anderson.
‘Anderbles’ is also the sound of an extended brain-fart being interrupted by a violent facepalm.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anderception is the funniest thing I’ve read here since “I want to suck the quarterback.”
I have a new sig, if you don’t mind…
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I want to suck the quarterback really had a short shelf life.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
You could same he came and went pretty quickly… instantrimshot.com
I feel dirty.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll bet it pops up in game threads.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee it will this week.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I work on the same street as the Cardinals’ training facilities. I think I may need to park my car on the other side of the building in case DA throws to someone running a quick slant.
by OSUMoneyball on Aug 26, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still remember my favorite DA moment from last year — a deep ball is thrown, and while the game is going on, Anderson is standing on the sideline looking at the video screen while a referee runs into him.
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I always remember the perfectly thrown bomb he gave to BE right down the middle and BE let it bounce off his face…
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Good riddance to both those pieces of garbage.
Whats the odds of thier 3rd string kid winning the job? He looked better then both Leinhart and DA the past few games.
by LiveandDiefortheDawgPound on Aug 26, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall or Skelton? Because they both looked good and I wouldn’t be surprised if one was groomed for a year and became their starter.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t heard much about Hall, but Skelton has been getting thrown around as the future starter.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted the Browns to draft Skelton.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hall looked good at the end of the Titans game.
Threw a perfect pass for a TD that the WR just straight dropped.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 27, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw that. Wish I had a picture of Hall’s reaction.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Think it was Skelton who I watced the other day. Made me laugh that he was behind a second sring line and was looking better then both of thier top tier QBs
by LiveandDiefortheDawgPound on Aug 26, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
Skeltons are known to make people laugh.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 26, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Hall might have looked pretty good as well.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Looks like this years cardinals have inherited the 2009 browns quarterback controversy: Picking between two bowls of shit. The only difference is the smell.
"Smokescreen."
You totally could’ve picked a better analogy. Two bowls of shit? Really?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 26, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions

"i want to suck the f-ing quarterback. This is football." -discoinferno083
by Simmsinns on Aug 27, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Where’s the gay one?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
“Derek sad.”
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone ever wonder how the F*ck he made it to the Pro bowl? I honestly don’t remember much of it anymore, I just remember when he went in, he sucked and that people actually wasted money on his Pro bowl jersey.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Make no doubt about it, he was good for some of of 2007. He then helped us miss the playoffs by throwing 4 interceptions vs. Cinci in week 16.
Also, something like the first 6 AFC quarterback choices for the Pro Bowl were either injured or butthurt (Tom Brady).
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Indeed.
Also, the Colts didn’t do us any favors by throwing their game.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I am forever bitter towards the colts, and their performance last year that got the jets into the playoffs was maddening as well.
I mean, really, could rex ryan be more overrated? he got TWO gift games at the end of the season or else they might not even finish .500. sure, their defense is great, and they had the deep playoff run, but if they finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs, is there nearly as much hype?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Mangini finishes 9-7 and gets tossed and villified. Rex Ryan is 9-7 (including one gift) and is labeled as the second coming.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
THIS
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex gives good quote. The media are whores.
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That’s what it’s about. I really haven’t heard many people “anointing” Ryan as a genius coach; the media just loves him because he says interesting things. If Rob Ryan was a head coach then he’d be getting the same treatment.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked back once. there was a lot of crappy QB play that year. only 4 of the top 10 QBs in passer rating were from the AFC. There were a lot of guys who had good years, the problem was, they didn’t pass often and/or were on crappy teams.
With QB, more than any other position, Team record DOES matter when making it to the Pro Bowl.
Like any other position, you have to put up some good numbers and just not have high averages (in other words, yards and TDs often matter more than QB rating).
So, once you take out the ‘ineligible’ (not by any official standards but by the unofficial ones said above) QBs, you are left with only Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Cutler, and Palmer ahead of DA. Brady, manning and Ben all made the team, however it was between the last 3 for the 4th spot (which was only open b/c Brady pretty much decided to not play). DA had the best TD/INT rate out of the 3, the most TDs, and the 2nd most in yards…plus he had the best record.
Its not that he was good per se, it was that the QBs in the AFC were particularly bad. the ones that weren’t did not play a full season or were on flat out terrible teams (case in point, schaub). Plus, rivers had not fully develped yet into the perennial pro bowl contender he is today.
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…I think it was just cause he did seemingly well and fooled the voters into loving him…
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that could of done it…but long story short, the QBs in the AFC sucked, and most of the ones that didn’t either didn’t play in a passing offense or the whole season (like garrard) or their team sucked (like pennington or Schaub…the latter also didn’t play the whole season too).
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long story short
help, someone hijacked bross’ account!
by Dawg Nuts on Aug 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Let it be green.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 31, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Braylon actually caught > 50% of the balls that hit his hands, K2 was 6’4" with a huge catching radius, his OC was naively unafraid and no one knew quite what he was about yet, his 3rd WR was 6’6" with a huge catching radius, no one had figured out that he couldn’t throw left or short yet, and he had Joe Thomas.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Sounds about right. How bad much Leinart be if they are seriously toying with the idea of DA? Desperate times out in AZ.
by Western Reserve on Aug 27, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd alternate and 2 injuries in front of him. That’s roughly equivalent to the 10th best QB that season.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James
…and we are just talking about by the Pro Bowl standards…much of the pro bowl is based on how many TDs you throw or how many yards you pass for. Garrard had a very good season and I believe over a 100 QB rating, but didn’t get a lot of yards, played in jacksonville which was a mediocre team, and didn’t play the whole season. I think our 10-5 record had a lot to do with it too.
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What a lot of people forget when they refer to “Anderson, a 2007 pro bowl quarterback” is that he made it as an ALTERNATE when Philip Rivers couldn’t participate due to an injury he had in the playoffs.
Additionally he got put in ahead of David Garrard who should’ve been the rightful alternate after throwing only three interceptions for a full season.
by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 27, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree…but garrard played for a mediocre team people cared little about and didn’t put up gaudy stats…so thats why he didn’t get voted in.
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I believe that was the year that he lead Jacksonville to the playoffs when they beat the Steelers in wildcard but lost to the Patriots in the divisional round.
by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
you sure? I thought when I looked up the stats, the Jags were 7-9. I could be mistaken though.
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Yes, I’m sure. That was also the year that the Chargers beat the 10-6 Titans in wild card, the Colts in divisional, but lost to the Pats in conference who, in turn, were upset by the New York Giants.
During that year, the Jaguars also had the awesome tag-team of Fred Taylor (I believe), and Maurice Jones-Drew.
But when I watched the game, my most memorable play came from Garrard’s run up the middle during a crucial third-down play that completely took the game from Pittsburgh.
by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 28, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, anybody remember how excited cardinals fans were about anderson when they signed him?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Yes, I believe I do.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
it didn’t take them long to change their tune. the article about this on their SBN blog is decidedly anti-derek.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They were?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
unless my memory is severely out of whack (entirely possible), they couldn’t believe we let him go, and were extremely pleased to have an ex-pro bowler as their backup. They thought he could rebound from his bad seasons just like warner did, except warner never really had any bad seasons.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 27, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats funny is this is actually a good move for their team. They play in a weak division, have good WR’s and good RB’s. If he gets protection I expect him to have around 15-19 TD’s and 12-14 INT’s while leading the Cardinals to their division.
I do get a kick out of watching Leinart fail out in the NFL. Watching him, Quinn, Jamarcus, and hopefully Mark Sanchez (who despite all the praise was pretty awful last year) struggle makes me feel more confident of my ability to scout players before the draft.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
I think Alex Smith and SF can give DA a run for his money. Patrick Willis might eat him alive.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am not sold on SF at all. Every year they seem to be the trendy pick and every year they come up short. For all the hype their D gets they were 15th in YPG by opponents and teams hit them for almost 230 passing yds per game. That included games against some very offensively inept teams as they got to play the Lions, Rams x2, Seahawks x2, and the Jaguars. They played 7 games against teams in the bottom 8 in terms of PPG.
Add in that their offense ranked 27th in YPG despite playing these terrible teams and I dont see any reason to think SF is anything more then another meh team in a weak division. And in that instance ill take Fitz, Wells, Breaston over Willis and Gore and…….
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 29, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
…and that AWESOME offensive line…and an actual competent QB…and Crabtree, who was great as a rookie when he finally signed….and Vernon Davis…
I don’t think I can name that many gamebreakers on Arizona.
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Alex Smith and competent QB should never go in the same sentence again.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I COMPLETELY disagree with you. Alex smith WAS a competent QB last year. Plus, last year was the first year (since his second year) he was ACTUALLY truly given the reins of the team. He has also had changing coordinators every year, many of them were not even particularly good. he also had injury problems, Missing part of 2007, and all of 2008. He had some crap coordinators, and when he had a good OC, he was respectable. Norv Turner was the OC in ‘06 and Smith was good then. martz was the OC in 2008, but Smith was injured. Jimmy raye is a great veteran OC and Smith finally excelled in a situation where he was healthy, had a competent coach calling the plays, and had decent weapons to throw to. He is definitely competent and I don’t know if he will ever be great, or a team leader, but he showed some flashes of greatness last year and with more time in this offense, could become much more than a competent QB.
Plus…it was more of a remark how no one in Arizona is at all good, competent, or any positive word I can use to describe them.
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I like San Fransisco, but I never really claimed they were world beaters.
In fact, merely “giving DA a run for his money” should probably put someone between “terrible” and “bad”.
I am not really sure if you are trying to strawman me into having argued that SF will actually be a great team here or not. In any event, Arizona just lost Boldin, Rolle, Dansby (and they’ve already been losing one big linebacker every year for the past 3 it seems) and they are replacing a Hall of Fame QB with either DA or Leinart.
SF has always played Arizona tough and they shouldn’t need to do a whole lot to take the division.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I just think the AZ offensive talent is still above SF’s. With or without Warner. And I think the move to Anderson is actually a better move then if Leinart would have been the starter.
Also, the loss of Boldin isnt as great as many would think. I lived in AZ for a few years, and I expect Steve Breaston to step right in and pick up the slack. He had a very similar YPC and only had 1 fewer TD despite playing a significant amount less.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head Fitzgerald is the only offensive player I would take over anyone on the niners.
Breaston or Crabtree?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Crabtree, easily. Breaston is a good deep threat, but I think it will be hard for him to even maintain his production because defenses will be less worried about other people.
I will also take Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker over any TE on Arizona. SF’s line could be quite beastly by the end of the season as well.
I will take Patrick Willis over anyone on ARI’s defense.
Regardless of which team has the actual talent edge, I think SF is at least close enough to be in the competition now. I don’t think it requires this much discussion to be able to say that. That SF can challenge is all I really was trying to say, not that they are better on paper.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I can agree with the fact that they can challenge. Also, AZ really doesnt use the TE much so its hard to compare theirs with anyone elses.
Also, dont discredit AZ’s line so quickly. Adding Hadnot and Faneca is going to be a significant upgrade. Their D also has veteran leadership at the OLB position with Porter/Haggans and Rodgers-Cromartie is a pretty solid CB.
I think its still AZ’s division to lose, which is what my argument is.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yes. Arizona will have a solid O-Line and they might have better Depth. However, they really only have one Tackle who is more of a RT than a LT (average pass blocking for a LT at best).
If you go down the line. Staley>Levi Brown, Baas<Faneca, Heitmann>Hadnot, Iupati=Lutui, Davis>Reggie Wells. yes, I know that Iupati and Davis are rookies, but they are so good that I would call them quality starters from Day 1…at least as good as Lutui and Reggie Wells being forced to play out of position. On a second look (I forgot guys like Barry Sims and Adam snyder were still there) I might give a slight edge to SF for their Backups, though they are almost even.
Is the difference between Baas (who is a good starter) and Faneca (may not be a star anymore but still is an excellent, but fading starter) enough to make up for the fact that Arizona has no one good to protect the QB, and the fact that outside of Left Tackle, quite possibly the most important position on the line (and quite possibly the worst starter relative to the quality at the position in the league), they STILL would be hard pressed to have a better line than SF.
yes, they have Haggans, but he is quickly fading as a player and may end up being like Willie McGinnest when he had him (only contributed in the locker room…if he actually contributed there). I also don’t how much of a leader Porter ACTUALLY is, and Arizona plays quite a bit of 4-3 (they run a bit of both, more 4-3 than most 3-4 teams) and struggles when in the 4-3.
To counter that, SF has Takeo Spikes, who has always been a good on the field leader, and Willis who has emerged as a young, veteran leader on the field.
Rodgers Cromartie is pretty solid, but Clements is about as good. Overall, neither Defensive backfield is great, but the 49ers added Taylor mays, while the Cardinals downgraded from Antrel Rolle to Kerry Rhodes
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You just spent 1,000 words on breaking down the offensive lines of two NFC West teams that 99% of the people here don’t give a flying crap about.
We need to get you a hobby bross. Wanna do karate?
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Bross needs to do fanposts for things like this, or run his own blog, that’s all.
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Crabtree.
Beanie or Gore? the OSU fan in me wants Beanie but I will say Gore.
O Lines? By far I take SF and i think they now may have one of the top 10 O-Lines in the league…plus they are young. Think about a line where you line up Staley, Baas, Heitmann, Iupati, and Anthony davis, left to right. The left guys are solid technitions and pass protectors and the whole line can maul in the run game.
I agree with what Rufio said below too.
The only area I can say that I would take Arizona over SF is the D-Line. their secondaries to me are a wash, and maybe Arizona marginally has better Pass rushers, but not by much.
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When on the field, yes Breaston was marginally more effective per play his way. I like the fact that Boldin has a high YAC at 4.3 compared to Breaston’s pedestrian 2.9. A lot of YPC is where you are thrown the ball. Boldin was thrown shorter passes, but he got the same YPC because his YAC was significantly higher. Breaston is a bit better threat deep, but is still not a significant threat. Boldin is also a much better blocker, route runner, and threat over the middle and in the end zone.
They are similarly good when compared of total playing time, but you have to consider Breaston was a 3rd option when Ds were focusing on Boldin and Fitz. I don’t think he can be as effective as a 2nd option. Most guys aren’t and he excells in the slot but I have some concerns of him as a WR going over the middle and in the End Zone which he would have to do much more (along with blocking).
Boldin and Breaston are equally as effective in their best defined roles. However, breaston would be nowhere near as effective in the role Boldin plays.
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I dig San Fran.]
I think they are going to bully the NFC West quite easily.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what we hear yearly and it never happens. I have serious questions about Gore’s ability to make it through a season without missing games, and their backup just retired.
I also have 0 confidence in Alex Smith to be anything more then average again as a full time starter.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Aug 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I have a different recollection, but I have always remembered San Francisco being a bottom feeder.
Going into last season they had an okay defense with a Bust at QB, Bust at TE, holdout at WR and a patchwork O-Line.
Who thought they were going to be good last year? In fact no one at Sports Illustrated thought they were going to make the playoffs last season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 30, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Gore has played 14 or more games each of his five seasons. He has actually already played 16 games once as well.
They signed Brian Westbrook, who has also battled injuries but shouldn’t have to carry much of a load, and Anthony Dixon has looked decent as the backup feature back.
I don’t think I can have less confidence in Smith than I do in DA.
Still, my original point was that SF can challenge Arizona for the division. A year or two ago if you looked at the two teams on paper SF had no chance. Now it isn’t so clear.
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and their backup just retired.
yeah…but Glenn Coffee was not anything special…at least not yet. I think they can manage. They went out and stole Anthony Dixon in the 6th round who is an excellent power runner (a brandon Jacobs type) who I thought was a 3-4th round talent (as did many). They also went out and got Brian Westbrook. Yes, he is old, but even so, I would still take him (in the short term, looking at one year) over Tim Hightower. So, if anything I would say their RBs would be better this year…plus they upgraded the O-Line.
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