What to Look For: Cleveland Browns vs. Detroit Lions
For some reason, I don't think rain will be a problem this week against the Detroit Lions. Since the Cleveland Browns will play the Great Lakes Classic at Ford Field and it's the third preseason game, the coaches should be able to get their best evaluation of the starters this season.
Last year, these two teams met twice -- once in the preseason, and once during the regular season. Their regular season match-up was a memorable one, ending with Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford having taken a huge shot from C.J. Mosley on a Hail Mary pass. After a pass interference call, Stafford stayed in the game to throw the game-winning touchdown. Mosley is still on the PUP, so Stafford shouldn't be too concerned about an encore.
Here are some notes and things to look for in today's game against the Lions...
- Teams usually try to throw the ball more often in the preseason than they do run the ball. While I don't mind seeing that trend continue against the Lions, I'd like to see Jerome Harrison featured in a drive at some point where he is marching the ball down the field behind our first-string offensive line, much like he did at the end of last year behind fullback Lawrence Vickers.
- Here's a possible match-up to watch: Shawn Lauvao vs. Ndamukong Suh. I didn't watch much of Suh during his college days, but I certainly heard the hype surrounding him. I'm interested in seeing how Suh looks as a rookie, and how Lauvao does against him.
- Speaking of Lauvao, we'll probably see our opening day offensive line for the first time this preseason since Tony Pashos is expected to return too. With the Lions having Suh, Corey Williams, Cliff Avril, and Kyle Vanden Bosch, it will be a good test for our pass protection. It'd be nice to see Pashos fill in just as well, if not better, than St. Clair did.
- Receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will be back this week. He had a solid first preseason game, but one of his issues last year was consistency. I want to see if he can be counted on as the team's No. 1 receiver for the second week in a row, because Brian Robiskie's production seemed to suffer without him on the field. Massaquoi playing probably means less reps for Joshua Cribbs, but I think we'll see some situations where Massaquoi and Cribbs are on the field without Robiskie or Chansi Stuckey.
- This is the week where you work Seneca Wallace into the first string offense a little bit while not "calling it a day" for Delhomme. I know the team wants to keep things under wraps, but if we think teams are going to "catch on" just by seeing a few plays in the preseason, then it's kind of silly to expect it to work over the course of a season. I actually see it being beneficial to the Browns so they can review the tape and see how a defense other than their own reacts to the lineups featured by the Browns.
- There won't be enough time for Colt McCoy and Brett Ratliff this week. Heck, I don't think there will be time for either of them. Most teams have been playing just two quarterbacks in the third preseason game; I think the Browns will do the same, and then play McCoy and Ratliff only next week.
- This might seem like a minor one, but I'm going to be paying very close attention to how quickly Coye Francies sniffs the field. If he is active, I would be ecstatic if Mangini tries to get a look at him in the first-team offense in the dime package.
- The Lions have a great weapon in Calvin Johnson, so it'll be interesting to see how the Browns match up against him. Former Brown Dennis Northcutt is still with Detroit, so we're bound to hear his name called a few times. It'd be nice to see our special teams coverage rebound this week and for our guys to get some nice licks on Northcutt.
- I won't be satisfied in a preseason game until we get some pressure on the first-string quarterback. We've been giving Aaron Rodgers and A.J. Feeley way too much time to throw. At some point, you hope that your team's physicality can overcome the opposing team's offensive line, if you're going to use the excuse that you're not showing off the blitzes.
- Obviously the Browns want to cut down on the turnovers this week after having five last week.
- The Lions' first-round running back, Jahvid Best, did well against Denver last week with 8 carries for 49 yards. The Browns have been holding opposing teams' running backs to minimal yardage, so I'd like to see that trend continue.
- At safety, for all of the hype we heard surrounding Larry Asante, it seems like Ray Ventrone has been getting snaps over him (perhaps I'm mistaken). I want to see Asante worked in to some first-string packages in hopes that he can show off the reason the Browns drafted him (his run defense and tackling).
- The rain can probably be blamed a little for this, but we didn't see much, if any, of Evan Moore in the first half last week. I want to see him split wide a few times and targeted. Getting the ball to him and Peyton Hillis is going to help open things up for our other receivers and tight ends. Of course, it helps that Jake Delhomme has been doing a good job going through his reads and getting the ball to the right receiver.
- If you're wondering where the FanPost went that the Lions fan posted, the answer is, "I don't know." My guess is that the original author went back and deleted the post, which sucks because I thought there were some humorous comments in there.
Feel free to share your own notes on what you're looking for in tonight's game. For your information, the official game thread will go live at 2:00 p.m EST, three hours before the game begins at 5:00 p.m. EST. Please take note of that early start time!
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•If you’re wondering where the FanPost went that the Lions fan posted, the answer is, “I don’t know.” My guess is that the original author went back and deleted the post, which sucks because I thought there were some humorous comments in there.
Ha. That thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Chris Jennings
I have to admit that I was a closet Jennings fan who would quietly mumble to myself that he needed more touches to help and wear down a defense with his size. Now, here he is just trying to earn a roster spot over a rookie who hasn’t been on the field as of yet. Unfortunate but that is the nature of the beast that is the NFL. I do hope that the Browns give him a long look over the next 2 weeks because I still believe he is an un-polished talent that could make some positive waves. I’m certainly no talent evaluator and yes, most of his professional touches have been in late game sitations that were basically decided so who knows what he has really shown day to day to the coaches? As far as the rumor of Colt’s diminishing roster spot…he hasn’t had alot of touches yet but, hasn’t done much with the ones he’s had…Ratliff has so, it’s just a writer’s (Grossi) opinion that he gets to publish. But it does ring with the sound of probability doesn’t it? Who knows what will happen for certain is sitting in a posh office running the organization and we’ll accept as team believers that it is the proper choice. If Colt stays, expect Ratliff to be picked up rather quickly by a team needing to fill the 3rd spot void and I say good for him by earning it here or elsewhere! Go Browns!
Sen "The Pope" Paul Sheldon
Running backs like Jennings grow on trees. Ratliff hasn’t shown anything to beat out Colt, on top of the myriad other reasons to keep McCoy. Ratliff will have trouble finding a job.
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by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I still believe he is an un-polished talent that could make some positive waves
I disagree. He spent 4 years at a major college. He didn’t see the field much, but I believe he is much more polished than you give him credit for. the only reason he really ever saw the field in college WAS that he was polished but he was still a marginal change of pace back. And its not like he went to some tiny school and everyone missed him. He was in the Pac 10 and just didn’t have the talent to ever do much of anything. From what I’ve seen, his talent level is very replacable and the only reason he has an Pro career is he went to a major school and has decent size (if he went to a FCS school, I don’t even know if a guy with his talent would be an Arena League player).
hasn’t done much with the ones he’s had…Ratliff has
really? Brett Ratliff has been awful too with not a lot of touches this preseason. He has one less INT, but besides that, he is just as bad and was bad last preseason. The ONLY time he has had any significant playing time and has been a respectable QB was the one preseason game where he torched us. Besides that, when he is given extended time, even in the preseason, he blows.
Ratliff is only marginally better than Colt, in a system he knows better and with 3 years of previous NFL experience. That is kinda sad…
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expect Ratliff to be picked up rather quickly by a team needing to fill the 3rd spot void
really? he is THAT good? Here is a short list of guys, if I was an owner, I would take as an emergency QB over him.
Jeff Garcia
Jamarcus Russell
Josh McCown
Daunte Culpepper
who are all Free Agents
and other guys such as
Todd Collins, Mark Brunell, Levi Brown, Max Hall, and many others. There are not a lot of guys teams would look at and prefer ratliff.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
I’m a Jennings fan too. I really liked what he showed last year in minimum opportunities. I hope we can keep him around, but I like Davis better, and he has slightly more upside. If we can keep 6 RBs/FBs, fine. But not likely.
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Jennings is too east/west for me. I hate it.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 28, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So are people finally ready to join me on the Delhomme train?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Aug 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
is this the Delhomme will be ok train?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but don’t go too fast. We’re not too far out from the station, I haven’t put my luggage up yet, and I’m still poised to jump if there’s trouble.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Aug 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anybody know why they’re starting the game at 5? That seems like an odd starting time.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
I don’t know why it starts then, but I assume the weird starting time is why they’re bothering to show it on NFL Network tonight! : )
The game has been blacked out in Detroit, so the first opportunity anyone there has to see it is the replay on NFL Network. I don’t know if that’s why they moved it to 5, though.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a replay. It’s actually being shown on NFLN at the primetime slot because of how the game went last year.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t make a lick of sense. How can a game that starts at 5 be shown in primetime on the NFL Network and not be a replay?
Upon further review, kickoff is 5:30. It’ll be shown at 5:30 in Ohio and on the NFL network. Detroit’s local affiliate will show the game at 8:00.
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Are you referring to actual kickoff or some TV kickoff? The game was originally set for 5:30 a few weeks ago but was moved up to 5:00. If you see otherwise, let me know.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like 5:00. WBNS still has 5:30 on their preseason schedule page, but the actual listing is for 5:00.
Sorry about that.
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It’s okay.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is awesome.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 28, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am looking for...
-NO INJURIES
-no opposing receivers wide open
-right side of the line protection and run blocking
-no penalties, we aren’t good enough to overcome them yet
-no dropped passes
-Rubin to hold his ground at NT
-Harrison to average over 4yds a carry
-Del to throw the ball downfield a little more, or plays that call for it
-one or two wildcat plays….maybe
-hold opposing RBs to less than 3 yds per carry
-Browns to be winning when starters are taken out
-NO INJURIES
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
I’d love to see all of these, but likely I won’t, so i’d settle for at least half, and the no injuries being one of the more important ones….gosh, JT goes down and I’ll throw up.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
Wash your mouth out with soap and prepare to be pancaked.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Aug 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
under 3 yards per carry is quite a feat regardless of who we’re playing.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would settle for simply bottling Best up to 0 runs under 15 yards. If that kid stays healthy, he could be good. Scary injury history, though.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I assume you mean over 15, and I agree.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) Opponents 62 – 2.6
this is the browns rushing D for the first 2 games…so all he is asking us to do is keep up the pace we are on.
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I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
So this is “it” before the regular season “it”. Hope it goes better than it did when we played the Giants on national television. Boy, that was an ugly game and it foreshadowed the entire season.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Aug 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
That front 4 for Detroit actually looks decent to me. I’d say when we have the ball, we have the advantage in run blocking in the trenches, but they have the advantage against the pass (because of the right side). I think I’ll be watching the line a lot when we pass; our receivers got open enough last year that Quinn was able to make the downfield throws. Nough said. Also, I want to see Suh.
When the Lions have the ball, I want to see how we cover Megatron if/when they move him around. Does Wright follow him everywhere? Do we let Brown and Haden cover him? Last year we blitzed Stafford a lot but couldn’t cover the WRs behind the blitz. Will the additions of Brown, Haden, and Ward help this?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Suh vs. Lauvao should be interesting.
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do we know if suh will be playing the one or the three? or do the lions have both tackles play both positions and never switch sides?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they will put Brown some on him. Megatron is so hard to guard because he can beat you deep and he is huge. I would like to see more of Brown on Megatron, but I fear he will burn him with his speed….I just don’t want to see all of Wright because he is not that physical…so some sort of combo is the best way I would say (maybe see how haden does b/c he has good speed and is physical).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
This is probably from a personal perspective Bross, but…
DAMN, YOU TALK A LOT.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
fine…point out all my flaws while you’re at it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
It was just an observation is all.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 29, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Look for good health and no injuries. Also a little bit of the cyclone – I agree they need to start adding it to the playlist in preseason.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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