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"Eagle" Defense (2-5-4)

"Watching" the Lions manhandle us last night, with our gang of so-so linebackers and cardboard cutouts at DE made me think back to Fritz Shurmur's "Eagle" defense for the LA Rams back around 1990. He played a 2-5 with a "nosebacker" position. 

So, what about Rogers & Ruybin on the DL (no one else worth starting) then a left-to-right LB corps of

Gocong-Jackson-Veikune-Fujita-Roth

Bowens backing up Veikune, Maiva backing ILB & Benard backing OLB.

Of course the caveat is the Rams back then had enough quality at LB to field two starting four man units. They were also sorely lacking at DL. Just a thought, like!

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Robaire Smith is a starter and is better at his position than any of our linebackers are at theirs. Robaire is actually quite good.

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by golanbatrac on Aug 29, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

It is funny that your solution to our so-so quality at LB is to put more so-so LBs on the field at once.

Like golanbatrac said, Smith is pretty good- better at what he does than our 5th best LB.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Arguably better than our first/second best LBs; but we’d need a capable 3 man rotation for a 2 man line. Unless Schaefering steps up we only have 3 warm bodies up front.

I just hope that Ryan’s serious gametime schemes will make this ordinary front 7 look better than it does now though.

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by LondonBrown on Aug 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way. Our first team looked good with the exception of dealing with motion (which we have seen before, and I know it is a problem, so Ryan definitely knows it’s a problem) which is why we let off the Jahvid Best running play. Holding Detroit to 7 in the first half in a dome would have been a victory for our D. Unfortunately they also scored on the fumble return.

Rogers, Rubin, and Smith will be a good defensive line. Mosley will contribute on passing downs and Coleman on running downs.

The NT is the key to stopping the run in our defense. If instead of being unable to get off the ball because a 350+lbs man is in his face, the center would be able to double team either of our DL (though I assume both would be lined up at 3 techs, so opposing teams could double them without the center) or leak up to the second level where he has a good mismatch (bad for us) on whatever LB he wants. We would get gashed.

I think this is a good idea—and also that we probably already use a similar personnel grouping—on 3rd and long or very long only.

The “cardboard cutouts” at DE were playing on the 2nd/3rd string and are young guys who don’t look like they know what they are doing and aren’t very good on top of that. Out first string guys can play.

I think the biggest problem with our first string personnel is that our LBs are not great at coverage. DQ has always been underrated in this area IMO, Gocong is looking decent, and Maiava can cover. But Bowens, Barton, Roth, and Fujita have all been pretty bad so far.

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by rufio on Aug 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Jumping to conclusions I’m half assuming that Barton is gone and Roth is pretty much assigned as an edge rusher we need to hide in coverage.

What made me think of the “eagle” (more than putting extra mediocre LBs on the field) was the size of 3 of our LBs: Roth, Gocong and Veikune. I guess the league really has gotten bigger though- as I recall Howie Long was listed around 275lbs most of the time?

Bowens is the most curious player: he makes ome big plays but goes missing on so many too. And I would just love Maiava to come good.

Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!

by LondonBrown on Aug 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

"I spoil a lot of people with my play."
"But I mean, even my family gets spoiled at times watching me doing things that I do, on and off the court." -Lebron James

by Roger Dorn on Aug 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

/thread.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

2-5-4 in the AFC North should be called 1-15.

by L Train on Aug 30, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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