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Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 5 (Morning) - Back to Work

After head coach Eric Mangini gave players the day off on Tuesday, the team had to prepare for two sessions on Wednesday as the Family Fun Day this Saturday approaches. What activities did the Browns players partake in this morning?

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TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 5 [MORNING] (8/4/10)

  1. Gerard Lawson's Big Day: You might not hear defensive back Gerard Lawson's name for the remainder of camp, but when a player has two interceptions in 11-on-11 drills, they've earned some recognition. The third year player intercepted Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace; the pick on McCoy was reportedly taken back for a touchdown on a pass intended for WR Jonathan Haggerty. Wallace's interception was intended for TE Evan Moore.
     
  2. Player Carted Off Field: The Browns had their first player of camp carted off the field this morning after defensive back Chris Roberson twisted awkwardly while trying to defend a pass thrown to Joshua Cribbs. As of this moment, Roberson's injury has not been disclosed.
     
  3. Cribbs' Great Catch: On the play in which Roberson was hurt, Cribbs reportedly made an outstanding one-handed catch. Both of the players fell as Cribbs hauled in the pass, but unfortunately Roberson wasn't able to get up right away.
     
  4. Delhomme's Day: Delhomme suffered an interception when Sheldon Brown grabbed a long pass of his intended for Brian Robiskie. Shortly after that though, Delhomme was able to connect with Robiskie on about a 50-yard touchdown with Mike Adams in coverage. Adams reportedly complained about offensive pass interference, but it wasn't called. Delhomme also had an impressive pass over the middle to tight end Ben Watson. Dawg Scooper also has a nice tidbit on their site about Delhomme throwing a pass blindly but accurately.
     
  5. The Other Quarterbacks: If you ask CBSSports.com, their reviews of Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy weren't so hit today: they said Wallace has cooled down, and McCoy didn't look very good during the morning session. Maybe both quarterbacks received the negative marks for getting intercepted by Gerard Lawson.
     
  6. T.J. Ward Forces a Fumble: Defenders should never give up on a play, and rookie satefy T.J. Ward showed why Wednesday morning. Delhomme threw a pass down the sideline to running back Jerome Harrison, and then Harrison took off. When he got to the five yard line, Ward came in and was able to strip and recover the football for a turnover.
     
  7. Injury Report: Despite practice being called off yesterday, several players (besides the ones on the PUP) still missed practice. Both fullbacks (Lawrence Vickers and Peyton Hillis) were out, as were cornerback DeAngelo Smith and linebacker Titus Brown. Brown made some noise in last year's camp, but I think we're too stacked this year for him to receive much recognition.
     
  8. Returning Players: Back on the field was right tackle John St. Clair. I wonder if Scott Kooistra is seeing action again too, because he wasn't listed on anyone's injury report. If St. Clair, Kooistra, and Tony Pashos are all indeed back, then I wonder who will see less playing time with the first team: Floyd Womack or Shawn Lauvao? Well...
     
  9. Today's O-Line Has Lauvao: According to the ABJ, at least for today, the first unit on the offensive line consisted of Lauvao (RG) and Pashos (RT), while the second unit consisted of Womack (RG) and St. Clair (RT). This is an interesting development, because Lauvao is seeing way more time with the first-team offense this early in camp than I ever expected.
     
  10. The Nickel Package: The ABJ noted how the Browns' cornerbacks lined up on the first team when in the nickel package. Eric Wright covered the slot receiver, while Sheldon Brown and Brandon McDonald lined up on the outside. At times, Brown would leave the game and Joe Haden would take his spot, not McDonald's. McDonald's chances can only improve with this news, as well as a guy like Coye Francies being stuck on the PUP still.
     
  11. Backup Tight End Spot: So far, all we've heard about in camp are Ben Watson and Evan Moore catching the ball, and Robert Royal blocking and catching. I'm really curious as to how Alex Smith has been doing, but I guess we'll have to wait until the preseason games because nobody is mentioning him.
     
  12. Cyclone Update: Dawg Scooper has the latest update on the Cyclone formation. Today, there was a play where Joshua Cribbs lined up in Shotgun with Seneca Wallace beside him. Cribbs got the snap, and he handed it off to Wallace who ran for some yardage. I wonder if the Browns should try the Cyclone during the preseason a lot, or save it all for the regular season only?
     
  13. James Davis = Leading Candidate?: If you can run, that's one thing. If you can block too, that's the thing that will get you a roster spot in the battle betwen James Davis and Chris Jennings. When speaking to the media, Mangini praised Davis for his rush recognition on two blocks from a recent practice.
     
  14. Brownies: The OBR reports that Coye Francies and C.J. Mosley were running sprints off to the side, so they might not be too far off from returning...Roger Goodell will be at camp tomorrow, along with Sirius NFL Radio, so maybe we'll have an update as to whether Shaun Rogers and/or Robaire Smith will receive suspensions...the team has an evening session later, but there is a chance of thunderstorms.

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Hey Browns fans I am a Raven Fan i have notice that The Browns have done

alot to improve there team and I’m sure this year will be a better year for The Browns. I wanted to know how much does The Browns Value Cornerback Eric Wright if The Ravens would want to give up Mark Clayton in a trade becuase I still think that you guys need depth in the widereciver postion and Mark Clayton could do that for your team

by jazz20 on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I think someone around thinks Wright is a candidate to be traded, but this is a deal I’d have no interest in whatsoever unfortunately. The Browns were eaten alive by the passing attack of opposing teams last year, and in the offseason we finally have three decent-looking corners (the third one was needed to ensure we had a good nickel back).

At wide receiver, we are seem committed to starting Massaquoi and Robiskie, both second round picks, to see what they have to offer for a full season. Beyond them we are still a bit thin at receiver, but acquiring Clayton only slows their development. I’ve never been a fan of Clayton’s either, and in a trade like that, I think Baltimore would be getting much better value.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have countered with Mike Adams or Brandon McDonald for Clayton. Unless we have some major injury at WR, we seemed to be entrenched with Massaquoi, Robiskie, and Stuckey as our top 3. Not gonna sacrifice our secondary for WR help.

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by jerseywahoo on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would consider not watching football again if we traded Wright for Clayton and nothing else.

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by Roger Dorn on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. I’m not all that high on Wright, but calling Clayton mediocre is being generous.

If the Ravens are looking to add Wright, the only player I’d be interested in is Oher (due to our need at RT).

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by golanbatrac on Aug 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Cleveland football. REC.

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by J. W. on Aug 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he has his ups and downs

exactly. he has proven he is not at all consistent enough to be a #1 or #2 WR in any sort of respectable passing offense. He has good talent but is not a good wide receiver. a good wide receiver would clearly get more than 500 yards when his QB threw for over 3600. a ‘good’ starting wide receiver would not almost be outperformed by his backup.

Mark clayton has good talent but is not a good NFL wide receiver. to be good, you have to be at least somewhat reliable and at least somewhat consistent.

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by bross09 on Aug 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m the one who thinks Wright is gone by the deadline, but no way in hell would I trade him for Clayton. It’d have to be a first round pick or a combination of lower picks (rounds 2 – 5).

And anyway, we have plenty of pass catchers.

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by golanbatrac on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Will mark clayton start over Robo by the end of the season? I personally doubt it. I MAY do that trade, just because Clayton for all intents and purposes would be more of a throw in…but NEVER would i trade him as a key piece when giving up wright.

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by bross09 on Aug 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you were the main person, but I wasn’t sure if there were other parties who felt the same and I didn’t want to single you out.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOT A CHANCE.

Wright is an up and coming young corner in the NFL and Clayton would not make the Browns’ WR group any better IMO.

You can keep Clayton and we will keep Wright along with giving Wright a new deal after this season to keep him long term.

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by theW0LF on Aug 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. Wright, Brown, and Haden will make the team for sure. Not only does Clayton not have the upside of Wright but it would be stupid to make such a trade within the division that would benefit the Ravens way more than the Browns.

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by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would say you would have to throw in a high draft pick (minimum 3rd round or 2nd round) for this to make ANY sense to the browns. We are in essence giving up our #1 CB for your #3-#4 WR.

In the NFL, you need 3 solid CBs and at least 2 legitimate starters at CB. If we take away Wright, we have Haden, a rookie starting. Yes, he was drafted high, but he has not solidified himself as a legitimate starting CB in the league. Brown has, but he isn’t a #1 anymore. so we basically have a #2 CB and a rookie as our 2 starters. We also have Brandon Mcdonald at the Nickel. He did start last year, but for a lack of a better option (something you could say about Clayton).

I do not consider Mcdonald a solid option at this point and with the advent of 3 WR sets in this league, I feel less confident having him at the Nickel. I am not even sure if he can cover a good #3 option like an Eddie Royal, or Austin Collie well (he in fact got burned BADLY by royal…you can probably find it on youtube).

Mark Clayton also is not at all going to be our #1 option in the passing game and probably not our 2nd (who would be likely Ben Watson). Like in Baltimore, he would be the #2 WR because of a lack of a better option. However, the reports about Robiskie are positive. I feel that if we did this trade, Robiskie may even end up starting over Clayton by the end of the season.

Clayton almost got outperformed last year by the guy behind him in the depth chart (Kelley Washington). When your QB throws for 3600 yards and you start most of the games at #2 WR, finishing 4th (almost 5th) in catches and yards (basically being the 4th or 5th option on O), that is pathetic. The Browns were one of the only teams I can think of who had a worse #2 option…However that was partly because our QBs flat out sucked and we only threw for just over 2000 yards. our slot guy, Chansi Stuckey, caught a similar % of the teams yards and receptions as Clayton, our QBs just sucked…and Stuckey only played 11 games. Clayton ha only been good once and since then has sucked.

All in all, the browns owners would have to be clinically insane (a la ted stepien) to trade away our best CB and a starter at CB for an average player, who won’t likely get better, and may not even start all season.

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by bross09 on Aug 4, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. All anyone needs to say is that this trade is crazy and never going to happen; we don’t need a thesis on all the reasons why.

I don’t know how he finds the time for all these posts.

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by Buckeye Brad on Aug 4, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It says nothing to the content of his post or the time he has, I just don’t feel like reading that much from one person unless it’s the main post.

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by Roger Dorn on Aug 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

maybe he has a job with lots of downtime. REC on Clayton being a useless addition.

I've been hearing "Fuck You Joey" forever, so whats makes you so special?

by J. W. on Aug 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

they don’t take me that long…plus, I am not taking classes right now and am still trying to find a job (but not spending all my time on here) so no regular schedule.

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by bross09 on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah…I probably should have shortened it and/or done that extra space thing. I realized that right after I hit post and my mind went “crap!!!”

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by bross09 on Aug 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is your answer to the statement EVERY SINGE TIME.

You’re a damn broken record.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets hate on the man more for actually backing up his points...

jeez cut the man some slack. I’d rather have some people make some long posts as opposed to EVERYONE making 1 sentence arguments with no meat

by Manoovi on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay Bro, So you’d rather have a page long paragraph with run on sentences and made up stats?

He never backs his crap up or even checks. No offense Bross. But a lot of your stats are pulled out of your ass.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 4, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never backs his crap up or even checks. No offense Bross. But a lot of your stats are pulled out of your ass.

Not at all true…And I don’t get how the “No offense” part is supposed to do anything.

I actually DO back my crap up and check. sometimes I spend unnecessary time double checking stats and making sure they ARE right. I don’t pull stats out of my ass. that is a blatant lie. I don’t know why you have to bullshit and get pissy at me all of a sudden.

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude… Do you just not read all the comments of people saying how your stats are wrong after your comments? I’m being serious, rarely are your facts and stats right.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, the way you said that was a bit of a “no offense, but eff you”.

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by rufio on Aug 5, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really didn’t mean it to sound like that but that’s kinda how it happened. I do indeed apologize for that Bross.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

of people saying how your stats are wrong after your comments?

the first week I had some stuff that was incorrect, but please point out a comment with in the last 4 months where someone pointed out that I had an incorrect stat. PLEASE! I would really like to know where you are pulling this stuff out of (likely your ass).

rarely are your facts and stats right.

really? when. point out ONE TIME outside of the time period when i first started commenting…I am not sure if you can even point out ONE.

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

(likely your ass).

Oh, you’re so clever.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

this seems like a bross-esque "I was wrong but not really." Let me just say one more time that I really did overreact, and will try not to in the future.

By NTN

but when he’s wrong he’s wrong and he’s the last to admit it. I have nothing against him but when someone is full of crap I am going to call them on it.

By NCF

Oh, I thought I was closer. I’ll admit I was kinda wrong instead of being like bross…and…you…know…

By TRSS

bross, stop acting like you’re smarter than everyone else. You’re not. And it gets really, really annoying to read your condescending remarks to everyone you disagree with. Just because other people don’t write 10-paragraph responses to you like you do to them doesn’t mean that your’e right and they’re wrong. Stop acting like such a jerk. You don’t know more than everyone else here. You’re not always right. Hopefully when you grow up and mature you’ll realize this and start listening to other people more (like the people here that have been telling you these things for months).

By BB (Which was Recced 5 times)

What’s funny is that I just wrote “Bross Wrong” in the search bar and 132 answers came up. Not surprisingly, more than half were written by yourself.

Need I go on Bross?

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t call me out Bro.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its funny looking back that BB says I am condescending to people I don’t agree with, because A) I don’t do that B) I have seen multiple examples of him doing that (just a thought).

The thing is, out of those 133 comments, I weeded through them and was only wrong twice out of the first 60. And one of those times I do remember that I knew the right thing but misspoke (or mistyped) and misrepresented my point.

I found another time I was wrong back in march and this is through post 80. Most of the posts are from January to march. You know what, I was saying a lot of stupid shit back then and I will admit I was wrong a lot back then, but I have tried to change (though looking back, BB never thought so or never noticed, and even when I was changing, he was accusing me of doing stuff I DID do before but wasn’t doing anymore).

I was legitimately wrong in an argument once since the beginning of april. That is over 4 months. I asked you to point out once where I was wrong since the beginning of april. I found one. Still, that is a very far cry from saying I make stuff up ALL THE TIME, a phrase BB has always like to use.

ALL THE TIME is usually a hyperbole unless someone is doing it EVERY SINGLE TIME. Even when I was an idiot, wasn’t doing in every single time, or even on a Daily basis. I was wrong and not owning up waay more than I should have been, but it still wasn’t ALL THE TIME. If you look through the posts, since April, if you said I never owned up and was wrong and acted like I did the first couple months, ALL THE TIME, you would be dead wrong.

What’s funny is that I just wrote "Bross Wrong" in the search bar and 132 answers came up. Not surprisingly, more than half were written by yourself.

Not surprising. Bross is my user name. plus, you ARE able to use the word wrong out of this context. In fact, most of my posts with ‘wrong’ in them are not in this context such as

In other news Steinbrenner Died at 80… God…YOU PICKED THE WRONG EXEC!

or

Not that there’s anything wrong with that

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is just a big Bross post of crap that I got bored of reading with three sentences in.

Same old Bross.

Oh and if a mod tells you repeatedly ALL THE TIME to stop, you haven’t changed. You’re just fooling yourself so you don’t look terribly wrong, LIKE YOU DO ALL THE TIME.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine. Here is it sparknotes style to please your ADD.

Only once in the past 4 months have I truly been wrong that I have found.

I was wrong a lot during the first bit and probably made a bad impression on you and BB but you guys can’t let it go and are holding those past actions against me (as if they were current/present actions).

Most of those 132 comments were from January-March and I am willing to admit that I was wrong a lot back then.

Saying I never back stuff up, or check, and always pull stuff out of my ass is actually ‘WRONG’.

(btw, sidenote. you point to that long comment that started this and say I have ‘made up stats’. which ones are these???)

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

considering nearly every comment you make is laced with bullshit that you’ve made up, and you change your arguments 10 times within one post, this was a pretty ballsy statement.

Weird that DN has the same exact argument, hm.

I was disregarding college production when I made the comparison but was more talking about the skill set.

By you. You’re always torquing stats your way so they “sound” right for your argument. That’s being wrong and pulling it out your ass.

Davis made plays closer to the line, indicating he made his decision faster and reacted more quickly than DQ

How in the hell did you now that? Oh, I know. You made up a stat right? It’s called TCTTLOS, or tackles closer to the line of scrimmage. How in the hell would you know that Bross?

yes, but in general, a screen pass or a quick out is generally where it needs to be, especially if the QB has decent accuracy. these passes made up over 40% of all of his passes thrown.

Eh, 40%? You don’t say. You review that game tape yourself and do the math? Or guesstimate and pull it out your ass?

I went back and calculated what I call bust rates since 1999 for every position of players drafted in the first round.

You LITERALLY MADE UP STATS. Ones tat really weren’t needed and were probably wrong, due to your proven track record.

Sorry Bro, you asked and I delivered. SO DROP THIS, LIKE YOU NEVER DO, JUST LIKE BROSS.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how I keep saying look at the past 4 months? you really didn’t here. At least 3 of these comments I am SURE were before april 1st.

During the last couple weeks of March, I got chewed out a fair amount by the regulars, especially BB if I remember correctly. They told me again that I really needed to change my commenting ways. If you look at it, I did and I did really try to make an effort there and finally did try to heed their advice.

I made some mistakes those first couple months. I am not going to deny that. However, most of the evidence you seem to bring against me that I make stuff up was from that period. I admit I made stuff up there, I am asking you to look at recent trends.

How in the hell did you now that? Oh, I know. You made up a stat right?

Actually, it is just a very slight interpretation of a couple stats from Football Outsiders. First there is Stop Rate which is the % of plays where the Offense doesn’t get enough yardage in the situation or gets ‘stopped’ (doesn’t have to be negative/neutral amount of yardage, just little enough so the play was not effective or ‘stopped’). the other two stats are Defeats (amount of plays at the line or behind the line from my understanding) and Average yards per running play that the player was involved in (i.e. on tackles they made).

These stats were made up by others, I just interpreted them a little bit and since Andra Davis had a better stop rate, more defeats, and a much lower yards per running play, I said he made more plays near the LOS which the stats support.


and were probably wrong, due to your proven track record.

so you are admitting you still have a bias against me and distrust all of my stats because of my first bit of time here? I have changed. sorry if you haven’t seen that. By this, it seems to imply that you don’t actually care to even think about whether my stats are wrong, but assume they are because of the first 2 months…

How about we forget anything I said here before april happened and move on. I moved on and learned from my mistakes, you are keeping it with you it seems.

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by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you keep bringing me in to this discussion? I didn’t do anything.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, he was the one that quoted you. I am sorry you were brought into the discussion at all and you have pretty much nothing to do with this.

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by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all your fault BB

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by Kimble_79 on Aug 6, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprisingly, wrong is not in your name, which means that wrong has to be with the subject matter. It’s not like it just found your username, then my damn comp would have crashed. And regardless, you just post a ton of crap with the word wrong and clog the search engine.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprisingly, wrong is not in your name, which means that wrong has to be with the subject matter

but your argument using the 132 posts is even worse use of facts than I ever used.

By this, you are trying to point out how many times ‘wrong’ has been used in something I said. You know what, at least 3-4 times i said ‘not that there’s anything wrong with that’ and I was QUOTING SEINFELD. So, because I said ‘wrong’ when quoting seinfeld, I am wrong? that seems to be what you are saying.

you just post a ton of crap with the word wrong and clog the search engine.

Am I not allowed to use wrong in a context that doesn’t have to do with the validity/invalidity (or accuracy/inaccuracy) of one of my arguments? I can’t say ‘not that there’s anything wrong with that’ again because I use that word too often? that seems pretty ridiculous.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing Bross does… completely changes the subject off to another tangent by pulling specific little items from a comment and trying to act right.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

completely changes the subject off to another tangent

Nope. we are still on the subject about me being ‘wrong’ but we are instead talking about your proof that I am ‘wrong’ and how wrong your proof actually is. It is still on the same general subject, we just switched from attacking me (…I am sorry you are disappointed).

pulling specific little items from a comment and trying to act right.

I am not trying to ‘act right’. I am being attacked out of the blue, and all I am doing is just defending my position. that is not at all ‘acting right’. I am proving how I am not wrong as much as you are accusing me of doing, but I am not trying to build myself up to ‘being right’.

I NEVER said I am right or anything similar. Just because I am not wrong, doesn’t make me automatically right. I am just proving that I am not wrong in the situations you accuse me of being wrong. Am I right in these situations? Not always, but I am not as wrong as you said.

There is more than just wrong and right…

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by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. we are still on the subject about me being ‘wrong’ but we are instead talking about your proof that I am ‘wrong’ and how wrong your proof actually is. It is still on the same general subject, we just switched from attacking me (…I am sorry you are disappointed).

No, you started talking about how I wasn’t using the damn search engine right not about the actual argument. QUIT LYING.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so this is the point in the movie where you punch each other, calm down, and have a laugh over a few beers at a bar.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 6, 2010 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

ou started talking about how I wasn’t using the damn search engine right

nope. you are wrong. you were using the search engine completely correctly when trying to search something. However, I was pointing out that the search engine is not an accurate way to judge the situation. You used it correctly but it gave incorrect/skewed information to begin with.

not about the actual argument.

no. the argument is how I always pull stuff out of my ass and make up figures. the search ending was the evidence you used to try to prove that I always pull stuff out of my ass. However, in defending myself, I pointed out the inaccuracy of your argument. we are still on the subject of how much I really pull stuff out of my ass, we had just gone at it from a different angle.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both of you . . . please stop this.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am done. I have defended myself enough. If he attacks me again, fine.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry man, but its the truth. I should have hit preview and once I hit post, I knew I made a mistake…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 5, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t have many wide receivers, but I expect our offense to be built around running the ball from bigger formations. I expect us to put 2 WR on the field at most for the majority of plays.

I am fine with guys who aren’t listed at WR like Harrison, Hillis, Watson, and Moore catching passes.

I would rather keep Wright and be forced to play a max of 3WR at a time than give up Wright just for some flexibility on 3rd and long.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel Eric Wright is way more important than Clayton. His complete upside is yet to be seen

by The naome40 on Aug 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of good news on Day 5. The right side of the O-Line and the TE are two of the battles I want to hear more about. Could it be that Lauvao is cementing himself on the first line? Imagine if he turns out to the the Joe Thomas of the right side of the line…Pancakes for everyone! Hooray!!!

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by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

perhaps joe thomas pulled out one of his rib bones and formed shawn lauvao?

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Thomas – the giver of life…and pancakes.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

joe thomas pulled out one of his rib bones and formed shawn lauvao
Joe Thomas – the giver of life…and pancakes.

I’m as big a JT fan as anybody, but this is a bit blasphemous guys. Don’t take it too far.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

admittedly, I did have to laugh, though.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought everyone loved pancakes…

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by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t referring to the pancakes. Can’t get enough of them! You haven’t lived until you’ve had my blueberry pancakes.

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by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’ve clearly never read the 5000 other Joe Thomas remarks on this site…

by Dawg Nuts on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, since I’ve been on this site for less than a year I’d say that I’ve got a bit of catching up to do.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 5, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how real of a shot Lauvao has at starting, guess we’ll have to wait for the preseason. when is the first game?

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

8/14 against the Packers

by OSUMoneyball on Aug 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 days! I didn’t realize how close we are to football!!!!

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
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We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 4, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he is already legitimately competing with the guys we have, that would be awesome. I did not expect him to do so until mid-season at the earliest.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

same, I expected him to be one of the first guys in after an injury, but I didn’t really expect him to start until next year.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re still on Isaac Sowells time.

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by golanbatrac on Aug 4, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seeing as he’s been practicing with the first team for just about all of training camp I’m thinking he has a pretty good shot.

Kill them. Kill them all.

by StuckInPa on Aug 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a question. Everyday I’m reading about another interception by our QB’s. Is this normal for any team? I just hope it’s not a sign of things to come.

Kill them. Kill them all.

by StuckInPa on Aug 4, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and how do they compare to DA and BQ last year in training camp? I didn’t really pay much attention to camp last year other than the QB shuffle.

Kill them. Kill them all.

by StuckInPa on Aug 4, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re throwing a ton of passes every day, so picks are ok, as long as it’s only one or two a day. DA and BQ might not have thrown more interceptions (i have no idea) but reports were they were very inaccurate and not on the same page as the receivers.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 4, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s normal to just have one.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 4, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, our defense reads from the same playbook. They know all the plays if they actually study.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 4, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, that would be a ton of information if they were trying to learn the offense and the defense. I’m sure they recognize some stuff, but I doubt they know most of the plays.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Aug 5, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes you wonder how much a guy like Mike Furrey had to study.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 5, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time, it isn’t like Daboll has made up an entirely new set of plays. The offense wants to do what an offense always wants to do. People who have been in the league for more than a couple of months should start to learn what the other side of the ball wants.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Aug 5, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many people are reading bross and SB’s argument?

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by dawgtribe on Aug 6, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I am not.

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by golanbatrac on Aug 6, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither am I…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HA! Now that’s funny! REC

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by Kimble_79 on Aug 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

really… have not payed attention. For all intensive purposes, I could care less.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me you are joking. I am making fun of myself in fact and just making a joke about how I was engaging in stupid banter.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just shut up about the whole thing.

Let things go please.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t doing anything wrong — telling him to shut up is unecessary.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He keeps bringing it up. Seriously? You tell him to shut up all the time when he doesn’t let something go.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

but what BB does is different than me making self-depricating humor and then you being an ass back unnecessarily and accusing me of ‘keep bringing it up’.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you are and I was talking to BB bro. Yes, public forum and such but I didn’t really care for your opinion which I did not ask for.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was making a joke at his own expense. I have no idea what you mean by “he keeps bringing it up.”

Let it go.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let it go.

What?! HE MADE A JOKE ABOUT IT A FULL DAY LATER. I was already finished with this crap and he won’t stop. I don’t care if it was a joke, it doesn’t need to be discussed in any form. How am I being attacked on this now?

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

am I not allowed to make a joke?? I also wrote this morning I am done with the whole thing. I am finished with this crap too.

How am I being attacked on this now?

maybe BB thinks you are attacking me for no apparent reason.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

bross, I’m taking care of it. You don’t need to respond; he’s just going keep going. Your response isn’t going to make anything better. You really need to learn when to just let things go.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay. I will now stay out of it. That is good advice. Thank you.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Aug 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t even talking to you. You had no reason to respond, and you certainly didn’t need to tell him to shut up.

And please don’t respond to this. You are doing the same thing you get upset at bross for.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too late round 2.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

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by Villeslgr on Aug 6, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good grief… If it’s possible to open up a can of worms, Pandora’s box, and the gates of hell simultaneously then that’s exactly what I’ve done.

Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Aug 8, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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