Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 6 - Delhomme Struggles
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 5, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
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PrintWith NFL commissioner Roger Goodell paying a visit to camp today, the Cleveland Browns took the field in Berea for an afternoon practice. Day 6 of training camp saw the players in full pads and shorts as they continue to prepare for the Family Fun Day session this Saturday at the stadium.
TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 6 (8/5/10)
- Down Day for Delhomme: It wasn't the greatest practice for veteran quarterback Jake Delhomme, as he channeled his inner Derek Anderson and tossed three picks during Thursday's practice. One of Delhomme's problems, along with our other quarterbacks, has been the number of deflected passes.
- D-Lineman Gets Interception: Case in point: defensive end Robaire Smith intercepted one of Delhomme's passes as it was tipped at the line of scrimmage. Later on, Delhomme also had one of his passes tipped by Chris Gocong, who continues to see action with the first team.
- Secondary Does the Rest: Most interceptions come from the defensive backs, so it should be of no surprise that Delhomme's other two picks went to Eric Wright and Abram Elam. The one to Wright came on a deep pass, and Elam snagged a pass in the end zone. Rather than saying Delhomme had a horrible day today, I'd like to think of this as our secondary being much improved this year (wishful thinking).
- Not Helping Him Out: Of course, a quarterback can only do so much when he receivers can't hang onto the football. Prior to two of Delhomme's interceptions, it seems that WR Brian Robiskie had two drops and TE Robert Royal had two drops. For Robiskie, it was one of his few "bad" moments of camp thus far.
- Cribbs to Wallace, Touchdown! <<< That subtitle sounds like fun, doesn't it? I can only hope someone captured some video of it, as it was reportedly one of the highlights of the day. Joshua Cribbs took the snap from the Shotgun and fired a pass to Seneca Wallace in the flat. Wallace than ran into the endzone untouched for the score.
- Get-Out-of-Practice-for-Free Cards: Two players got the day off from practice today because they won spring practice awards and cashed them in for the day off, and one player used their award Wednesday evening. Those players were all veterans -- safety Mike Adams, TE Ben Watson, and LB Eric Barton (the Wednesday player). Neither of the defensive players really need to prove anything, but it's projected that Adams' job is a hundred times more secure than Barton's.
- Stuckey in the Slot: Former Jets receiver Chansi Stuckey has looked comfortable in the slot in his first camp with the team. Stuckey suffered a leg injury during the practice session and was limited the rest of the way, but he should be fine. Dawg Scooper notes that at times, the Browns decided to have tight end Evan Moore on the field in the slot instead of Stuckey. I'm really digging the thought of using Moore like how the Colts use Dallas Clark.
- Pashos: A Case of Food Poisoning: Right tackle Tony Pashos told the OBR that the reason he missed the first few days of camp was that he had a case of food poisoning. Since returning to action, he has been getting reps with the first-team offense.
- Haden Returning Kicks: One of the extra duties that rookie cornerback Joe Haden added to his special teams repertoire was the ability to return kickoffs. Having Haden as a backup could hurt the roster chances of defensive back Gerard Lawson.
- Once Lost, But Now Found: It's remarkable that even though Syndric Steptoe has been in every practice session, and undoubtedly participating often, but has not received much press. Lucky him, he did have some reports on him today. Steve Doerschuk noted that Steptoe was seeing a lot of balls thrown his way on the second-team offense by Wallace. Daniel Wolf at Dawg Scooper discusses the underrated speed than Steptoe has and how he could emerge as a dark horse at the position, especially if the team likes his versatility in being able to return kicks. Maybe the team doesn't keep a veteran (Engram) or rookie (Mitchell, Haggerty), but instead settles with Steptoe?
- The Rep Chart: Running back James Davis saw more reps than Jerome Harrison did today, according to Dawg Scooper. I can only imagine that this is a result of Mangini's previously discussed "rep chart," in which players at a position have a set amount of reps designated for them. If the Browns are to carry two fullbacks and three running backs, then Davis seems to be ahead of Chris Jennings on the depth chart.
- Injury Report: Fullback Peyton Hillis seems close to returning, and Mangini stated that punter Dave Zastudil should make his return Friday, perhaps putting him in line to be ready for the Saturday scrimmage.
- Dawson Connects: Long-time kicker Phil Dawson has been Mr. Reliable, connecting on field goals left and right this camp, at least from normal range.
- No Ruling from Goodell: Unfortunately, Roger Goodell did not provide any updates as to whether Shaun Rogers and/or Robaire Smith would face consequences from the league. On another note, Sirius NFL Radio was at camp today. Over at the OBR, one of their posters did a nice recap of the radio program (scroll a few posts down). Unfortunately, I spaced out and forgot to listen to the show like I've done in the past.
- Brownies: RG Floyd Womack played with the first team along with RT Tony Pashos...the scrimmage on Saturday will not feature live tackling...DB Chris Roberson will miss a few weeks due to a leg injury suffered Wednesday morning.
Thursday's Link Collection / Camp Sources
- Training camp observations from 8/5 practice (Dawg Scooper, Wolf)
- Observations from Browns training camp (Akron Beacon Journal, Ulrich)
- Remembering old Sweaty...Wallace and Cribbs doing their thing (Canton Repository, Doerschuk)
- Browns practice notes from Thursday, Aug. 5 (Plain Dealer, Cabot)
- Pashos reveals reason for absence (The OBR, Greetham)
The Browns practice Friday afternoon from 1:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m, and the weather is supposed to be great with a high only near 80 degrees.
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Did Coleman practice today? Yesterday he seemed to be out for most of the evening practice with ice on his knee.
Also, off topic, but did Syndric Steptoe voluntarily give up #12 or did Colt have to pay him for it?
I am pretty sure that Steptoe just gave up No. 12 to McCoy when he was drafted, but Steptoe did so in order to start afresh with a new number in the new year after his injury.
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also so that he could hide again
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
its the only way he stays on the team.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
its like when Kramer kept going to that office every day even though he didn’t work there:
Mangini: “By the look of your routes, it seems like you’ve never even played football.”
Steptoe: “I’m not even on the team.”
Mangini: “Alright then.”
They shake hands and Steptoe leaves.
by Dawg Nuts on Aug 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another movie has done this or tv show. BUT i CAN’T THINK OF IT!
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the 1st Major League movie was sort of like it at the beginning with Willie Mays Hayes
by kjc on Aug 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the one I’m thinking of.
Waterboy did it when he worked for LU
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So rufio – you called me crazy when I stated that Delhomme has done nothing to earn this job and that Wallace deserves a fair chance. I realize that today is only a practice and only a single practice. But don´t be surprised if this becomes a pattern with Jake. We have to remember that this guy was significantly worse than Brady Quinn last year. He had 18 intercetions and 6 fumbles in 11 games. That with a beastly running attack and Steve Smith.
Now I am not hoping that Delhomme fails. He seems like a stand up guy. But he is a little long in the tooth at 35. Seneca has never gotten an opportunity, but he was behind a pretty damn good QB. Delhomme may make a better 2nd string QB at this stage of his career. Then again – he may figure out what he was screwing up last year and be great. But I still don´t see the harm in him having to compete for the job based on his awful performance from last year. Mangini turned last year´s QB situation into a circus, but he can have a fair competition without causing the circus of last year. Lots of teams do it.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
but he can have a fair competition without causing the circus of last year.
That’s why Delhomme is starting. No circus.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Delhomme’s QB rating was only 7 points lower than quinn, he completed a higher percentage of his passes, and threw for about a yard more YPA. If he throws 3-4 fewer INTs, he performs substantially better than quinn. as it stands he was about even.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
as far as what Delhomme has done, he’s had one atrocious season. Even with that season, in a little over 6 years as a starter, he has averaged about 60% completions, 7 YPA, a positive TD-INT ratio, and an 82 rating. he also took his team to the super bowl.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Do you know how hard it is to be 7 points lower than Quinn?
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
not that hard, only takes a couple more INTs. QB rating is so dependent on touchdowns and interceptions that it only takes a few (un)lucky breaks to skew a guy’s rating.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 5, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The only starting QBs worse than Quinn were Delhomme and JaMarcus Russell. Let me just say that I hope everyone´s optimism is justified. But personally, I think it is difficult for a 35 yr old QB to rebound from a year like that.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Do you mean rebound as in like a great year? Because I’m just looking for consistency and an average to good start. No way in hell he’s Tom Brady but he’s much better than Quinn. He actually knows how to use receivers.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
*worse by QB rating.
I would say Delhomme was actually a better QB last year than BQ was. He did have a good amount of balls that were tipped or dropped passes by his receivers though. He one more INT thrown as BQ and DA combined, plus he had 2 less that were caused by a bad decision. That means that he had 1 more caused by tipped/dropped passes by WRs, or inaccurate throws. The fact that Delhomme was more accurate leads me to believe that less of his INTs were caused by inaccuracy but by Tipped/dropped balls. Though our receivers were not good, outside of Steve Smith, theirs were IMO worse.
Is Jake Delhomme going to be good? No. Is he most likely going to be better than last season? yes.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Is Jake Delhomme going to be good? No.
we have no way of knowing this. why resign ourselves to a poor season. he’s shown the ability to help a team win in the past, why couldn’t he do it again?
Maybe no was too strong. Probably not would be better. I define ‘good’ as at least an 80 QB rating. I think he will be between 70 and 75 which is solid, but not ‘good’. Maybe to some, 75 may be ‘good’ and at this point, with our QB play since ‘99, that is ’good’ (and if that’s the case, Couch was ‘good’)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Couch was good. It was the line and the receivers and the backs and the coaches and the front office that sucked.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
This.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I thought he was decent but just had some of the worst OL/WR play combined in the history of the franchise.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
What? You just went against what you said above…
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
75 may be ‘good’ and at this point, with our QB play since ‘99, that is ’good’ (and if that’s the case, Couch was ‘good’)
I was saying that some may consider a 75 QB rating to be good
I define ‘good’ as at least an 80 QB rating.
I thought he was decent but just had some of the worst OL/WR play combined
I never said couch was good (and technically I said those 3 words in a row, but that would be taking my words completely out of context). I said he was decent and he also did not ever reach the threshold of what I define as a ‘good QB’.
Either you are still pissed at me, or you did not clearly read what I said.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
I misread what you said. I though “good” was a sarcastic remark, not you putting it in quotations to signify a made up type of QB stat thing.
Carry on.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The line, receivers, backs, coaches, front office, white boards, shower heads, gatorade mix, etc all sucked. Couch was still not good.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Tell me more about these shower heads that suck.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did have a good amount of balls that were tipped or dropped passes by his receivers though.
Don’t buy it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 9, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the only optimism most have is that JD is better than BD and DA.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
this is what I’m getting at. Jake had by far the worst year of his career, and it still was about even with what we got last year. even a slight rebound is an improvement.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 6, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
This argument is weak bro.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 5, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you should ask Derek Anderson.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Aug 6, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
…and Delhomme was actually asked to pass the ball more than 5 times a game. BQ didn’t throw INTs because he threw the ball minimal times and a lot of them seemed to be dump offs. I would almost rather take Delhomme’s play because at least it seems like its attempting to be a threat passing the ball.
Plus, BQ wasn’t that good last year and Delhomme wasn’t terrible in ’08 (showing that BQs play is much more of a indication of expected performance).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
What about Delhomme having an All Pro WR and maybe the leagues best RB duo?
by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 9, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, great RBs, but i don’t think Hardesty/harrison will be chopped liver.
You mean the all pro WR who was banged up for a lot of the year and whose hands weren’t as consistent as before?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Manigini didn’t help the situation, but the two clowns we had dressed up as QBs played a huge part in creating the circus. Although i wasn’t for it at the time, we probably should have traded one of those guys before the draft, I didn’t realize how bad they were.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Delhomme has had a long career in the NFL where he has historically performed at an above average level, made the Pro Bowl, made it to the Super Bowl and led his team to the playoffs.
He hasn’t done much to win the job with the Browns outside of that. But behind him we have a talented guy who has never consistently started in the league and a 3rd round rookie—and both are also new to the Browns.
Reports out of Berea are that Delhomme is leading the team, has the respect of his teammates, and is setting a great example for the young guys. With a whopping zero games of any kind played to this point, I don’t know what more you want him to do. And in case you hadn’t read any of the other reports from any other days of practice, Delhomme is competing—and he’s winning.
Mangini initially refused to name a starter again this year, the only difference being that everyone including Holmgren expects Delhomme to win the job. Why? Because if he plays like he is capable of playing to go along with all of the intangibles, it shouldn’t be close.
We have no idea what was being practiced according to these reports, or who was at fault for the INTs. It sounds like one was definitely on Delhomme for forcing the ball into traffic, but do you know if the coaches put the offense in a down by 7, 4th down, 3 seconds left situation? Because I sure as hell don’t. On the deep ball thrown behind Robiskie, was there a sight adjustment that was supposed to be made on a fade/fade stop/back shoulder pass? Because we implemented that part of the run-n-shoot last year and it takes a lot of practice reps to work out the chemistry. I have tape of a similar miscommunication between Stuckey and Quinn from last year ready to go.
Seneca will play—and hopefully he’ll play a lot because if Daboll doesn’t have more up his sleeve for he and Cribbs than we’ve seen we’re screwed—but he isn’t winning the job outright from Delhomme on a day to day basis. Forcing Colt into action before he is ready doesn’t make any sense to me.
But yeah, you are probably right. The information about this one bad practice filtered through reporters probably means Delhomme hasn’t done anything to earn the job and several other QBs are earning it from him.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Aug 6, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The 2010 Cleveland Browns
Picture Jake Delhomme – “Mike called me and said ‘Jake, last year was a tough one. Do you have anything left or not?’ I said ‘Mike, you give me a chance and I’ll show you I can still win. I promise you.’”
“And when we won it, and I got MVP, I totally shoved it in this Texas fan’s face. Haha, Texas sucks!”
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I see it, since we passed up on Clausen and Tebow, McCoy is the annointed one. And if he isn´t we need to draft another one next year, everything else is piecemeal.
Holmgren believes in taking a QB in the draft every year. We’ll see how everyone reacts if they follow that philosophy in next year’s draft. I’m sure a lot of people will read into it and think that they aren’t convinced that McCoy is the future of the franchise.
Colt McCoy... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
I already don’t think they’re convinced. if they were convinced, they would have drafted him earlier.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Aug 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
They may not be convinced, but his contract would indicate that they don’t really want to lose him either. He got more that his draft position would indicate. I know that is seen as “quarterback premium” but it gave me a little more hope that the FO likes his chances.
by rebuilding year on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
they don’t really have to be convinced yet. plus, why draft him high if they felt he was going to fall. i think it was awesome getting him where they did, and don’t feel it’s indicative of how he’ll do if given time to learn from a solid veteran.
they didn’t feel he was going to fall that far. they didn’t think he warranted a high third round pick. I don’t think it’s indicative of how he’ll perform either, but it is indicative of how the organization viewed him as a player. I would be willing to bet not much has changed since april.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
I don’t know how anyone could be convinced one way or the other on McCoy right now.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I"m not sure of anyone who thinks the team strongly believes McCoy is the future. The feeling I get is that most think McCoy is talented but not a certain hit as an NFL player, so let him sit and learn and then see what we have.
Oh wait strike that, I see you’re convinced.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Admittedly, I am a huge Texas fan. In addition, I have a tremendous respect for Colt McCoy. I am telling you – he is a super leader, tremendous worker, and a great kid.
However, I am a huge Browns fan since way back. In addition, while I am 100% sure that Colt has the work ethic, the leadership, the athletcism, the accuracy, and the football smarts to succeed as an NFL QB – I am not 100% sure that he has the necessary arm strength to make all the throws. If he has to question his arm and his throws, I am unsure how that will impact the other aspects of his game. I will not say that Delhomme sucks and McCoy should start. But I feel very comfortable saying that Delhommes performance last year sucked big time, and is one of the worst performances of the century for a veteran QB. In addition, he is long in the tooth. Some QBs that are long in the tooth may have problems improving, especially if the main problem is that their arm was on the edge – and age/injuries pushed him over. Given that he sucked big time, lets keep an open mind on Seneca Wallace.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Holmgren believes that Delhomme’s bad season was mental, not physical.
Also, Holmgren stated that before Delhomme became available, he was ready to ‘roll up his sleeves’ and make a go of it with Quinn. We already had Wallace on the roster at that time, so that would suggest that Holmgren thought Wallace (a QB he is very familiar with) was #2 behind Quinn as well.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I would really love to know how you are 100% sure of McCoy’s work ethic and leadership when I’m assuming that you’ve never seen him in practice or in the locker room or hear what he says to his teammates on the sideline.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Looking for any Miracles
I’m not looking for Delhomme to take the Browns to the playoffs this year, but I think he’s an alright fill in guy until we get something better. I still think BQ and DA have gotten a little more crap than they should have. Our WR’s just can’t seem to hang onto the ball sometimes. So if they’re dropping passes, it doesn’t matter who’s throwing the ball, they’re going to make him look bad.
From what i remember, BQ would throw the ball in the dirt, and DA would throw it 10 ft. above the WR’s head. At least JD is putting it within range to be caught.
we don't need no stinking logo
the problem is the ones catching it are playing defense. I think Delhomme’s year with the Browns will be horrible. I wish did not feel that way.
he threw two the other day, but one was tipped at the line and the other seemed to be in a receiver’s hands.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
What’s the latest poll on starting 5 receivers?
My guess
1. MoMass
2. Cribbs
3. Robo / Moore
4. Steptoe
5. umm Stuckey?
we don't need no stinking logo
I think your top 3 are MoMass, Robo and Stuckey. Cribbs will play out of the backfield more and very occasional wide receiver for blocking purposes.
"I spoil a lot of people with my play." -Lebron James
True, but they played Cribbs at the 2 spot for most of last year, and i have a sneaking suspicion that with his new contract they will put him there again.
we don't need no stinking logo
Cribbs is not a wide receiver. Cribbs will never be a wide receiver.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Aug 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The awesome Madden begs to differ.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go with this again. do you have anything else to do or are you just mentally challenged? i think i found the true meaning behind special.
i’ve read this forum for awhile now and i’ve noticed how a few of you tend to gang up on ppl. does it make you feel tough or cool or something? he has bad grammar, he posts too long, or he is just off the wall crazy. how the internet has turned everybody into preppy snobs, immature babies, and fake honor role students is really unbelievable
we don't need no stinking logo
We make an effort to capitalize and use proper punctuation when posting. It’d be greatly appreciated if you would do the same.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
maybe you should correct the guy i replied too, he forgot his “?”, instead of pointing me out. oh, but that relates back to my ganging up on ppl. if you really have a problem there’s a simple solution, ignore.
true fans of football don’t care about capitalization and punctuation. what i write is legible and hardly misspelled. i guess i’ll just not comment on here since i can’t fit in with you “cool” guys.
don’t forget your box of wine coolers for the first preseason game.
i’m really laughing alot right now at your poshness.
we don't need no stinking logo
maybe you should correct the guy i replied too, he forgot his "?",
StuckInPa made an effort. That’s all that is being asked of you.
instead of pointing me out. oh, but that relates back to my ganging up on ppl.
How are you ‘ganging up on ppl’? Multiple personalities?
ppl
Enough with the texting crap. This isn’t Twitter.
true fans of football don’t care about capitalization and punctuation.
Perhaps not, but plenty of football fans (and the majority of fans on this site) do care that you take the time to make your post readable. Readability includes both capitalization and punctuation, as well as formatting.
what i write is legible and hardly misspelled.
It would have taken, what, a second or two, to capitalize each sentence in your above post? Is that too much too ask?
+1 for correctly spelling ‘misspelled’.
i guess i’ll just not comment on here since i can’t fit in with you "cool" guys.
This has nothing to do with fitting in with the cool kids. It has everything to do with common courtesy. If you can’t be bothered to make an effort to make your posts readable, then maybe this isn’t the place for you to be posting.
don’t forget your box of wine coolers for the first preseason game
Bartles & James make a killer Long Island Ice Tea.
i’m really laughing alot right now at your poshness.
It’s ‘a lot’. Two words.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I missed the part where it was bad to be intelligent, can someone explain that to me?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
i was meaning “they think they’re intelligent”
we don't need no stinking logo
by NoLogos4Life on Aug 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
granted, I have seen posts much worse than his…but those guys were complete morans to begin with…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
morans
I hope that was intentional.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
yeah. I am not some moran who can’t spell moran…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
by bross09 on Aug 7, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
seriously? you’re cool man. thanks for dissecting every little thing i write. it makes my day knowing how much you care.
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by NoLogos4Life on Aug 8, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhh sorry? I was asking a legitimate question. No one is ganging up on anybody here. This is a back and forth argument, not one person vs. everybody else. Chill, you’re just looking for a fight.
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sorry for that. i was just pointing out the nearest person with a grammatical mistake to try and prove that he was picking on me directly.
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by NoLogos4Life on Aug 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
this isn’t relevant however to the point that Madden has made Cribbs our best (or 2nd best, I don’t remember) WR in the game and made him a legitimate receiving threat.
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don’t forget to your caps bro. i’m joking i don’t care.
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by NoLogos4Life on Aug 8, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, what did I do? Madden actually lists him as a WR and Madden is awesome. Don’t be so immature.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
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by SpecialBrownie on Aug 7, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You might want to take your sarcasm detector to an authorized service center.
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by golanbatrac on Aug 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I take offense to this. I am not at all preppy and am an actual honor roll student.
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most of us are not at all preppy and I would wager quite a few are actual honor roll students. Being intelligent and enjoying sports are not mutually exclusive, regardless of what beer commercials would have you believe.
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by notthatnoise on Aug 7, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I made deans list and do not drive a hummer.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Aug 7, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The last time I heard the term ‘preppy’ was, like, 1988. Glad to see it’s made a come back.
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They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Aug 7, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
grammar police
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by NoLogos4Life on Aug 8, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Maddens rating system has already been bashed on this forum before. The rating are arbitrary and it seems they really have no idea what they are doing at EA. They probably just jacked up some of Cribbs’ ratings so that he’s one of the best players on the team because, at least up to this point, he has been.
Kill them. Kill them all.
I think that it is less that they don’t know what they are doing, and more that they just need to give the appearance of knowing what they are doing to sell the game.
Why spend the time and money to fully recalculate the overall ratings, the the way overall ratings are calculated based on top speed, acceleration, agility, etc.? They can just gradually make things more sophisticated (like the more recent PBK strength/technique ratings, the spectacular catch rating, etc.) at a slow and steady pace and continue to rack up the sales.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
then why is he
a) labeled as a WR
b) catching TD passes in practice
c) lining up on the line of scrimmage on some plays as opposed to behind
d) played #2 receiver most of last year
what position that fits this criteria could you possible call him?
hint : the answer is in letter a
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a) He is labeled there because he fit the mold of the Running QB in college that they try to transfer to another position. A vast majority of the time, they try to make the guy into a Receiver instead of a RB, because the scrambling college QBs are often guys who rely on speed but aren’t going to break a ton of tackles…so they fit the best at WR, but they are definitely not natural WRs. Cribbs is not a natural WR, just like all the other QB converts
b) Wallace is catching some TDs I bet too…is he a legitimate WR threat or just more of a situational guy who causes matchup problems?
c) So he lines up on the Line and automatically becomes a WR instead of more of a RB. Is dallas Clark not a TE because he doesn’t always line up next to one of the tackles? Cribbs had 56 rushing attempts and he only was thrown to 37 times. That shows that he was SIGNIFICANTLY more used running with the ball rather than catching the ball. Cribbs was also last among all receivers with at least 10 receptions in Defense Adjusted Yards above Avg.
d)…for a lack of a better option. He started most of the year at #2 WR, but was not at all a threat as a WR. defenses really didn’t play him as a WR and he was really only starting b/c he was a warm body. Stuckey outperformed him and was a backup, so the fact that he was starting doesn’t mean much.
I would say Cribbs doesn’t have a true position. He is WR/RB/Wildcat.
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Cribbs did not play as the #2 WR last year. If anything, we had a “#2 WR by committee”.
Robiskie was there a large portion of the time toward the end of the year, Cribbs was there for some plays (notably when we did the IS zone fakes with him), and Stuckey was there a lot as well.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am not sure I understand what you are asking. You mean the top 5 wide receivers on the depth chart, or our top 5 pass-catching options? Or the best personnel package (i.e. the best 5 eligible receivers)?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Cribbs is not our #2 wide receiver, and if he is then we’re in big trouble.
Also! Steptoe shouldn’t be anywhere near that list.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
the consensus of the fans and the FO tend to be different. I’m asking, what do you think it will be? Not, what do you think it should be?
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the consensus of the fans and the FO tend to be different
you can’t seriously mean that a consensus of fans think he should be our starting WR. Did you go and interview the crackhead demographic of Browns fans? I brought this up in discussion at a family dinner, and my family all thought you would be stupid to do it. I don’t know anyone who seriously thinks Cribbs should start.
And why do you think that the FO thinks cribbs will be a #2 WR? where are the signs? Isn’t Robo getting more PT with the first team at the #2 WR spot?
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no i think the consensus of the fans think he shouldn’t be a WR.
what stopped them from doing it last year?
with a new and huge contract i feel like they will be expecting more out of him than KR/PR and 3 plays on O
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I think the only person on the Browns who might have a “huge” contract is Shaun Rogers.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
well…his contract was the kind of backup you give an average player who doesn’t make a huge impact. Just with Cribbs’ Special teams play over hte last couple years, he deserved most of the money he is now getting.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Still, you really think < 5million dollars per year is enough of a status-changer in the NFL that the coaches are going to force Cribbs into being the second WR at all times?
I’d think that they would want to do what would be the best for their own careers and for the Cleveland Browns: put themselves in position to win football games.
If Cribbs at WR doesn’t give you the best chance to win, you don’t put him there regardless of how much money he makes.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
so now you say you think the fans consensus is that he shouldn’t be a WR?
what stopped them from doing it last year?
the fact that Robo was a slow starting rookie and Stuckey isn’t great plus was thrown into the offense midseason. pretty much, he knew the system and plays better than those guys and that gave him an edge. That is why he started so many games last year. He has much more competition this year at WR.
with a new and huge contract i feel like they will be expecting more out of him than KR/PR and 3 plays on O
the contract he is given is not ‘huge’. It would be ‘huge’ if he was a pure WR and was 4h or 5th on the depth chart. However, if he is 4th on the Depth chart, but still has 4-5 touches on O, is a returner, and a gunner, it isn’t a ‘huge’ contract for what he does. He does much more than just WR and therefore we can afford easier not to play him at WR to justify the contract. If he catches 2 passes a game, runs 3-4 times, is a gunner, and a returner, its still a wise investment.
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I didn’t feel a fan shot was necessary for this, but it somewhat sounds like just a fine will be the penalty for Robaire and Shaun. Hopefully, that is.
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I love it when a bunch of you guys gang up on someone,,, to give them a compliment.
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