Thoughts on Week 1 vs. TB
by BinkDeBook on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
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So how do people think we will do come Week 1 against TB? I'm actually contemplating taking the Browns over TB week 1 in my last man standing pool. So wanted some other peoples' view on it.
So far are offense hasn't been that bad... defense needs work... But Its week 1 (which in the past has alway been at home and not good).. First time Week 1 for the returning Browns is an Away game. So maybe our 1st Week luck will be better?
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I think the Browns are a sleeper team this year to an extent, but overall the feeling i get is that the organization as a whole is a lot more organized than it has been in the past. Everyone know’s their role and accepts it, trying to build that team mentality. ESPN the magazine just came out with an article about Mangini and he really seems to get his role and doesn’t have a problem with implementing Holmgren’s ideas, he just wants to win…..that being said, i feel that Tampa’s organization isn’t as organized and players don’t really seem to buy into the coach either….we win this game and should win game 2 against KC as well….2-2 to start, a few plays go this way, a few go that way and just maybe we can be 3-1
Agree with you there elf. I think Mangini has really embraced the new organization and we will reap the benefits of it. I actually think we beat TB just because of coaching and preparation. Ryan take below average talent and scheme it into a solid group. I actually think the offense is more talented and solid this year than the D. If Jake eliminates mistakes, and in preseason he has been near perfect, we will be able to run the ball. OL and RBs will form top 10 running team and this will benefit Ryan and give him time to get some impact players.
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….we win this game and should win game 2 against KC as well….2-2 to start
With our linebackers, KC scares me. Charles and McCluster can motor.
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I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have “stars” but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
by year of the elf on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just wait till we evolve and we turn into a sweet ass sorcerer with a giant Hermit crab shell as a hat.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
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by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have “stars” but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
by year of the elf on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have “stars” but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
by year of the elf on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have "stars" but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
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by notthatnoise on Sep 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have “stars” but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
by Roger Dorn on Sep 1, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
McCluster will likely not be going up against LBs that often…he is going to be playing WR.
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He has actually been getting plenty of carries.
The Chiefs are going to use him everywhere, catching, carrying and returning.
I shudder to think of Roth covering him out of the backfield.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see us shadow him with Wright or another DB if we feel he is dangerous and that we can cover Bowe with someone else.
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by notthatnoise on Sep 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think our D is improved enough over last year to stop a rookie WR and Charles…..and ya our LBs have looked shaky at time, but they’ll be playing a full 4 quarters and I don’t see them being able to go the distance….I don’t think we have "stars" but our offense is tough and have some underrated players…..looking forward to a fullhoue backfield with Vickers, Hillis and Hardesty though!
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by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 9, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I rarely predict blowouts in our favor, but I might just do so come Week 1.
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You guys have to take this game and the game against KC the following week or it’s gonna be a long season. Right now a realist would say that those games and the one against Buffalo are the only three you guys have any shot at barring injury. If you can take those games maybe you get some momentum, other teams have injuries and who knows?
I’ll admit I’m a Ravens fan and am rooting for you guys (and Pitt and Cinci) to lose each week but I will admit I’m suprised Delhomme has been decent this preseason keeping the picks down. Still see a poor year for you ahead though. Mangini dealt your best offensive players away for peanuts (Edwards and Winslow) and the D has no playmakers plus no franchise QB and spare parts at RB that no one else would want.
by RavensAreDaRealBrowns on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for stopping by. However, by “realist,” I’m guessing you mean the “majority opinion” of fans around the league. Given the fact that we defeated two teams vying for the playoffs last year (Pittsburgh and Jacksonville) and have gotten better talent in the offseason, I wouldn’t go as far as saying those are the only three teams we have any shot at defeating. It’s not like we have a roster of the 0-16 Lions or last year’s Rams.
Also, most Cleveland fans aren’t severely upset that we dealt Edwards and Winslow, particularly Edwards. He was very good in 2007, but he was nothing but a detriment in 2008 and 2009.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of the issues Edwards had were caused by having two of the worst QBs in NFL history throwing to him plus horrible coaching and playcalling. Add to that being stuck in a city he finds unappealing and one can see why he did poorly. Still though, he was making millions and should really keep quiet and be thankful.
No one here can say they wouldn’t take Edwards circa 2007 in a heartbeat over what you have now.
by RavensAreDaRealBrowns on Sep 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Edwards had the same QB in 2008 that he had in 2007. In 2007 he caught the ball. In 2008 he couldn’t be bothered to try.
And, yes, I would take Massaquoi or Robiskie over Edwards any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The thing about 2007 Edwards is that he turned into 2008 Edwards, and really, there’s no reason to think he’ll ever return to anything approaching his 2007 form.
Massaquoi was a rookie second rounder last year who only started 11 games and had ‘two of the worst QBs in NFL history’ throwing to him, yet Braylon, who we’re apparently supposed to be pining for, racked up a mere 56 more yards than Massaquoi.
As far as getting peanuts for Edwards and Winslow goes, we got Massaquoi, Hardesty, Lauvao, Asante, Trusnik and Stuckey in return. That’s a starting wideout who, unlike Edwards, doesn’t have his head up his ass, a starting halfback, a starting guard, a backup safety, a backup linebacker and Special Teams ace, and a solid slot receiver for a receiver who can’t catch and a Tight End with a bad knee. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
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No one here can say they wouldn’t take Edwards circa 2007 in a heartbeat over what you have now.
You don’t spend much time here, do you? Unfortunately, you don’t just get Braylon’s one good year.
It’s 12:25 PM EDT on Thursday, 2 September 2010, and Braylon Edwards still sucks. And we don’t want him, thank you very much.
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by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can someone please post the animation of the ball hitting Edwards in the face in response to this?
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Or the drop he had warming up pre-game.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 2, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of the issues Edwards had were caused by having two of the worst QBs in NFL history throwing to him plus horrible coaching and playcalling.
False.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Sep 2, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Most of the issues Edwards had were caused by having two of the worst QBs in NFL history throwing to him plus horrible coaching and playcalling.
False.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Sep 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Most of the issues Edwards had were caused by having two of the worst QBs in NFL history throwing to him plus horrible coaching and playcalling.
False.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Sep 2, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Village, you are the poster of the day.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 2, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t take credit, I think rufio called for them above and someone else here created the work. They deserve their accolades. I’m just the messenger.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
By the way these go good with or without alcohol.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by having two of the worst QBs in NFL history throwing to him
Quinn/Anderson>Mike Phipps
Q/A>Ryan Leaf
Q/A>Joey Harrington (though this one is somewhat debatable)
Q/A>Kelly Stouffer
Q/A>Seahawks QBs of the 90s (Dan McGwire, Rick Mirer)
Q/A>Jerry Tagge
Q/A>Akili Smith
Q/A>Dave Klinger
Q/A>Heath Shuler
Q/A>Andre Ware
Q/A>Art Schlister
And these guys were just the first round (mostly) busts that they were better than…pretty much off the top of my head (except for tagge and McGwire). As it stands, if Quinn doesn’t play another down in his career, he probably still wouldn’t be a top 15-20 bust (considering draft position) just from the first round.
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Not that you are wrong here, but this isn’t the argument to make. The argument to make is that even bad NFL QBs can occasionally get the ball in Braylon’s hands, and when they do he drops a lot of those balls.
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I agree. I just wanted to point out you could name 50 QBs worse than these guys and BQ would be lucky (or unlucky, however you look at it) to be even the top 25 biggest draft busts.
Yes, the main argument to make is that even a bad QB can get the ball occasionally into BE’s hands. However, I felt that point had already been effectively made by Villeslgr’s video’s
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The argument to make is that even bad NFL QBs can occasionally get the ball in Braylon’s hands
A great QB couldn’t get the ball in Braylon’s hands. Maybe through or near, but he would have to catch the ball for it to be in.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now a realist would say that those games and the one against Buffalo are the only three you guys have any shot at barring injury. If you can take those games maybe you get some momentum, other teams have injuries and who knows?
no. that would be an extreme pessimist. maybe those are the only 3 games where we would be significantly favored. however, you think the browns don’t have ‘a shot’ at beating the steelers at home? they don’t have a shot at all at beating jacksonville? there are a lot of tough games on the schedule, but ‘tough’ does not mean ‘no shot at winning barring injury’…it just means ‘not a good enough chance of winning to bet on’
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yeah…We have a shot to win most games…but
a) I really didn’t feel like annoying him more
b) Even at home, I would still say it is one of our harder games to play (harder than playing the Jets, harder than playing the pats IMO)
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Is there a single player on Tampa Bay who scares me? No… They’re probably the least talented team in the NFL… We have Cribbs, the Lions have Calvin Johnson and now Jahvid Best, KC has Charles and McCluster, the Rams have Steven Jackson, the Bills have 3 solid running backs and deep threat Lee Evans. The list goes on
I agree that Tampa might be the worst team this year, at least for the first 10 games or so. Lots of young guys starting for them. However, by playing those young guys early they are doing the right thing. Prsonally, I expect Tampa to be 0-11 or 1-10 and then go on a late tear. You guys are lucky to be getting them early. They just might ruin a few teams season late this year.
by RavensAreDaRealBrowns on Sep 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
they have a lot of young guys, but just because you have young pl;ayers, doesn’t mean they are all talented. Donald Penn and Tanard Jackson are a couple examples I think of who are solid players and are hyoung, but have maybe reached their potential because neither one is very physically talented, but quickly became good players. Ruud is another example of that. They have some young players, but many are maxed out when it comes to potential. Their D is basically a combination of young guys (and some veterans) who are average-solid starters with maxed out potential, or young guys who have lots of potential but are liabilities as starters right now.
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Barrett Ruud is good. K2 is pretty good if he can walk.
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K2 is the only person on that team that could scare me at all as an opposing coach. I agree Ruud is good, but as an OC, he is maybe not big enough or fast enough to ‘scare’ me. I would definitely have to factor him into the gameplan, but he doesn’t scare me as much as a Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans, or Jon Beason. he is kinda Laurinitis-esque (except laurinitis’ hitting may scare me a bit more as an OC)
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Beason and Ryans shouldn’t scare you either. The only three ILBs in the NFL that you might have to think about gameplanning around are Willis, Lewis, and Urlacher if he has been healthy for a while and is comfortable out on the field.
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I guess we would just agree to disagree on Beason and Ryans. I feel i guess that there are more than 3 guys out there that are ’scary.
I really like Ruud and he is a very good player, but I don’t think ht is getting better.’
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It seems odd, but I have faith in the offense and am still very uncertain about the defense. I call a Browns win in a defensively messy and high scoring contest. Let’s say 31 – 24.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
I think the Browns will beat the Bucs, but I think you’re crazy if you pick the Browns to win week 1 in a last man standing league. That’s just asking for trouble.
I did take the Browns to win in my last man standing pool! TB and Carolina both look like shit so was thinking about picking against both of them, Rookie QB with broken thumb though was icing on the cake and made up my mind for me.
Who’s a rookie QB with a broken thumb?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
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by SpecialBrownie on Sep 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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