Cleveland Browns Rookie Safety T.J. Ward Really Stands Out in Tough Loss

A very bright spot in a tough loss, plus another surprise player steps up his play and should get starter consideration too.

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Ward having that many tackles isn’t a good thing.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions

Really depends.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 13, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I know. How many were around the line of scrimmage, how many were down field?
Down field tackles is a poor stat.

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by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Poor to our defense, I meant.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

well. I didn’t see all of them. However, these are the plays I do remember seeing.

I remember seeing Ward tackling K2 right at the LOS (or maybe behind). I remember seeing Ward make a tackle against the run near the line (maybe a gain of a yard or two). I remember seeing a nice play on ST where someone took out a guys legs and negated any sort of significant return and it turned out to be ward. I get what you mean, but I remember 3 specific plays where Ward made a tackle and this tackle was ACTUALLY a good play and not just dragging a guy down from behind after a 30 yard gain. Plus, he looked good blitzing.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 13, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

True.

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by rufio on Sep 13, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Did I not explain why he was right? Why jump in and try to make me look stupid and inferior?
My points are correct, so why bother.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I really didn’t do any of that, all I did was agree with Dorn.

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by rufio on Sep 13, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I am saying you have to take each tackle in context. It’s possible TJ was playing very close to the LOS in run support on run downs and made a lot of tackles. It’s possible our linebackers did a terrible job and he made a lot of tackles in the secondary because of it. The number of tackles doesn’t tell us one way or the other, you would have to rely on the game tape, which is why I assume rufio agrees.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 13, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

I was agreeing with you. My questions were more hypothetical. Wasn’t asking for actual statistics.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder what rufio thinks though about the game tape from ward yesterday.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 13, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Haven’t gotten to it yet, grad school.

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by rufio on Sep 13, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

good point. that is probably taking up a LOT of your time.

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I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 13, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes. All tackles mean out of context was that Ward brought ballcarriers to the ground. It doesn’t say anything about the percentage of tackles he missed if any, where the tackles were made or against which kinds of plays they were made, if the tackles were made because he couldn’t cover, or if Ward was doing his job or not.

All they really say is that Ward was close to the ball. Could be good or bad.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Just my nonprofessional opinion, but he looked great. Near the line of scrimmage to make tackles, and not once did I see him miss a tackle. Just what we need.

Kill them. Kill them all.

by StuckInPa on Sep 13, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

after one game I am ecstatic with that pick. I was worried after the draft that we would regret passing on Thomas to take Haden, but now it looks like we got a good corner and safety, instead of just one of those things.

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by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

THIS! Yes, its still early, but I am extremely pleased with our first 3 draft picks. If only Hardesty would have stayed healthy. Ward and Haden will be, if they continue to play at this level, very good in the NFL.

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by Kimble_79 on Sep 14, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

/drools

by Roger Dorn on Sep 15, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Definitely. I saw good tackling from both Ward and Haden on Sunday. It will be interesting to see KC’s first round safety play this week and how our T.J. matches up.

by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

It is when you consider in week 1 last season our secondary was making Peterson look like a god among men.

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by Simmsinns on Sep 13, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s some other analogies to game 1 of last season that I don’t like though. We started otu strongly in the first half and then tanked in the second half. From there, the season just got worse and worse.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

And then we beat the Steelers and the world was right again.

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by Simmsinns on Sep 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps the Browns should reconsider their starting safety unit and have both Ward and Adams starting instead of Elam.

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by Kimble_79 on Sep 13, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions

moon doesn’t have cussing fits. he remains calm, lists all of the awards that the player has earned, then lists off a bunch of random UDFA’s and training camp fodder, then compares those players to successful NFL players, even if they have almost no similarities whatsoever.

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by davus on Sep 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

This should be green…a perfect description actually!

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by Kimble_79 on Sep 14, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

You forgot the pictures of said NFL players

by rebuilding year on Sep 15, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I know it’s been 1 game and all, but i’m looking forward to the day that we can officially add Ward to the likes of Polomalu and Reed, obviously too soon, but i love the way the kid plays

by year of the elf on Sep 15, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions

I also remember in the first quarter Haden made an outstanding play when they threw a WR screen and almost immediately hit him, gotta say its kind of inspiring to see our secondary playing that way considering what we’ve been subjected to in seasons past

by year of the elf on Sep 15, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions