Delhomme, Watson, Massaquoi, and Mangini Discuss Missed Opportunities
Several players, along with Mangini, comment on a missed touchdown opportunity and what went wrong on the Ronde Barber interception.
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Nice of him to take credit anyways. I hope our offense gels soon. I don’t think I can take another 0-11 season, regardless of what happens at the end of the season.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths --- Steven Wright
I hope our offense gels too…b/c against tampa bay in the second half our offense had 8 drives. 4 of them were 3-and-out. The other 4 were FUMBLE, INT, TURNOVER ON DOWNS, and TIME EXPIRED.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 13, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dispite saying all the right things, Delhomme still is a bit of a gun slinger. He lookied good for the first half, just like in pre-season, then it just looked like he, and the rest of the first team just got tired. I was concerned at the beginning of the off season that Delhomme was an incorrect descision. Then i saw him in the pre-season and he was able to move the ball. Sunday, I saw a Delhomme of last year. I am just hoping that he can shake this off and restart his comeback. I don’t believe Wallace is going to be any better, and McCoy is just not NFL ready. So Moon, Ratliff might be next in line. Seriously though, Delhomme has to be the guy this year, and I hope he gets back to his Super Bowl talent.
I really don’t think we have all THAT much to worry about. Overall, I think we played a pretty good game. I read in that article that Mangini liked how Delhomme managed the game, and I agree that he did a pretty good job. I think there’s a lot more to look at than just Delhomme’s interceptions.
I think it really hurt us when Hardesty went down. While we all know that Hillis is a beast, I just don’t think that he can fill the role that Hardesty would’ve filled had he not gotten injured. With just a week to come up with a new plan, it looked to me like the running game just was not clicking @ all. And the running game was supposed to be our staple, and I think that honestly a lot of our issues were a result of the fact that we just didn’t have a gameplan to fit the personnel we had to work with. So we had to rely on the passing game way too much, and let’s just face it… Jake Delhomme + our inexperienced receivers + not as strong of a running threat as we anticipated will probably not = great success.
So I think that once the coaches figure out how to run the offense with the people we have, we should look a lot better and Delhomme won’t have the pressure that I think he had this week. I expect a MUCH better game against the Chiefs.
It also might be worth noting that this is the first real game that a lot of these guys have played together… I think there will be a marked improvement each week as the guys get to play more together and figure each other out.
BUT, I’m sometimes overly optimistic, so take this for what it’s worth.
we just didn’t didn’t have a gameplan to fit the personnel we had to work with.
That’s a major problem, then. Especially if you are inferring that everything went down the sh*tter when Hardesty went down. I don’t think that’s the case, though.
I think that once the coaches figure out how to run the offense with the people we have,
They have had more than enough time to do this. including the usual, excruciatingly overlong preseason.
Jake Delhomme + our inexperienced receivers + not as strong of a running threat as we anticipated will probably not = great success.
BINGO. Next week is a must win now for this season though. If they want any chance of proving to the fanbase that things aren’t going back to the normal suckage they have to get a win there.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 13, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t believe in must-wins unless we are talking math and getting in to the playoffs. But I agree with a lot of the other things you said.
Particularly, you must have the gameplan to fit your personnel and to continually mine your mismatches in the NFL.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
bull. EVERY game is must-win.
some teams clearly don’t have that mentality.
but i know what you mean.
the reality is, if we don’t compete against KC, this season could be over fast.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree. There is a ton of change in the NFL every year. We know next to nothing about the teams right now, and writing the season off as a complete failure after two games is premature. For all we know, KC could get to 10 wins and take their division.
Obviously, I am not thinking we are going to make the playoffs or win a super bowl. But to think that we couldn’t become a team that meets reasonable fans’ expectations after two games is just too soon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
sure sure… good point. (i felt KC was a solid sleeper this year)
but it makes it harder, and it is disappointing to lose to two teams that we should beat.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Some must be forgetting our 2007 season, heck even our 2008 season. For some teams, heck most, you can’t look at them in the preseason and then determine whether you will win or lose against them or if a win or loss against them will be viewed as good or bad.
After watching KC play last night, I don’t see how we can say losing to them proves our suckage. Now of course if at the end of the season they have two wins, against us and SD, then that’s a different story.
Like many have said, I’ll judge this season more (not only) by how we play and not so much by our number of wins. I don’t think we can judge that after one disappointing loss. I don’t think the Bengals, San Franciso, and San Diego and to a smaller degree, Dallas, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Jets, or Indianapolis are throwing in the towel just yet.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
True. I guess more what I was trying to say is I think the plan was to have a solid running game, and I think it hurt us a lot not having Hardesty.
I think last week and this week were must wins. We should not have been beaten by TB and I will cry if the Chiefs beat us too.
IDK…did you watch the chiefs play last night? They looked pretty damn good. If we don’t bring our A-game, we will be 0-2.
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Yeah, I didn’t watch the game last night, but I was at lunch today and watched the highlights on ESPN… I muttered under my breath “We are effed.”
(I’m at a Christian college so I’m not allowed to curse, and I try not to make it much of a habit anyway… So I literally said “effed”)
…wow.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand all the Hardesty stuff, but he was ready, what, for one week of the preseason?
did you really think we were gonna throw him in there to carry us on his shoulders after not pluggin in all training camp?
if anything, Mangini may need to swallow some pride and let Harrsion do his thing.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mangini may need to swallow some pride and let Harrsion do his thing.
Mangini’s too proud to run the ball now? I’ll need an explanation on that one.
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Mangini, except for the last 4 games last year, when it didn’t matter and we had no qb-ing to speak of… shows little desire to allow Harrison to be the featured back.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
so did the previous coaches. maybe the problem is harrison, not the coaches.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty hard to argue with what Harrison did at the end of last season.
Granted it was only four games, but the reasoning as why Harrison isn’t this teams lead back is mystifying to me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was feeling that way last night watching my draft pick Charles come in for plays on 3rd down. Then i took a breath and remembered Jones had a decent season last year. Then I wondered who had the decent season on our team to keep Harrison from his carries.
Personally I think the team is trying to diversify the offense by using more than just Harrison running the ball. I think they wanted to show a willingness to pass the ball and be aggressive to keep opposing defenses honest in their game plans. I think they wanted to work to establish that we can run the ball with more than just Harrison. I’m not entirely sure we wanted to accomplish the goals by sacrificing a victory. I’m not entirely sure we sacrificed a victory by attempting to acccomplish those goals.
I think (more hope at the moment), that we (the team, not the fans ) do have an established plan for the season and that as the season progresses the first week game will begin to make more sense. I also think that the team’s commitment and belief in the plan is more important to the FO and the coaching staff than any desire to follow fans’ expectations for how the offensive gameplan will be determined (stay in the bathroom dogbone head, Coach Holmgren doesn’t care).
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
it was only 3 games for harrison. and he was only impressive in one of those games. I like Harrison, and I think he deserves his shot at being the feature back, but lets not make out last season’s run to be more than it was.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of the Cincy game earlier in the season as well (29-121). My wording sucked.
Either way, when Harrison has gotten the ball, he has produced. Can we say that about anyone else on this roster?
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
James Davis fits this description, albeit only with preseason reps under his belt.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
to be clear, he 100% should be the #1 back and he earned it, just trying to temper the excitement a little. he’s looked good, but it has hardly been over any extended playing time.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m not taking those 4 games as what he would do. But the guy apparently deserves a shot.
what’s the worst that can happen?
by discoinferno083 on Sep 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It also might be worth noting that this is the first real game that a lot of these guys have played together… I think there will be a marked improvement each week as the guys get to play more together and figure each other out.
My problem is that it is the first real game that anyone in the NFL had played. There should be something that clicked by now. Also they looked extremely flat in the second half. Don’t try to blame the momentum on the interception at the half, because the Browns were leading untill the last 2 min.
you are dead wrong on one thing, the running game not clicking. The running game was actually looking great. However, for some inexplicable reason, the coaching staff abandoned it. that doesn’t mean though it wasn’t clicking however.
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Jake still forces some plays but almost 40 throws in the rain, half of them backed against your own end zone and you are asking for trouble. We have running talent in 3 different players so only 19 runs is inexcusable. I really want to see Robiskie start making more plays and spreading the opposing defense out.
However my game ball goes to the Tampa cheerleaders who stuck it out in the downpour and provided the proverbial “shower scene” for the second half. Thank you ladies – your dedication to your craft is admirable.
by browndawgbacker on Sep 13, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Tony Grossi is saying there was 1 throw to a wideout in the whole second half.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 13, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
checking the drive logs it looks like there were a few more…but not much.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 13, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Grossi
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Sep 14, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear god, I unfortunately kept scrolling after the article and subjected myself to several cleveland.com comments. They make the DBN Hitler asides look like child’s play.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 13, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
Who’s our Hitler? I can think of 4.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 13, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
These are the type of comments that aren’t necessary.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously though…
how much does Holmgren wish he had a hand in coaching that second half?
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda unrelated, but another thing i noticed about massaquoi is that he still can’t seem to remember that you have to touch down a player before he is officially ruled down, cus after jake’s second pick, momass just stood there, thinking the play was over. he did it last year against buffalo as well.
Jake is my hommeboy
Speaking of being down, I hate to criticize a fumble recovery, but yould think barton wouild have known to get up and run. Nobody except Roth touched him for at least 3 seconds. He could have probably run 20 yrds or so
by HenryDawg on Sep 13, 2010 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but it was Eric Barton.
With that piano he has on his back he would have been run down on the 15.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 13, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Trusnik who huddled over him and it was smart.
By the time the old, slow, bad back LB would have gotten up, he might have made 5 yards at best and who know, he could’ve dropped it himself.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 13, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This, plus they are taught to lay on it and secure it.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 13, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Was really encouraged by the play of the defense and the young secondary. TJ was excellent, and Haden made several plays before giving up the big TD. Even on the TD, it took an excellent throw to beat Haden, who was completely isolated on the coverage. Bodes well for the future.
Now Jake had a bad game. In addition to the INTs, I was really surprised that his arm strength could not capitalize on some long pass opportunities. Really missed some big plays that were just as key as the INTs. Hopefully, we can get a few more Cyclone opportunities and take a little heat off of Jake.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
On the throws you’re thinking of, it was never his arm that was the problem, it was his footing.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 13, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure jake himself said he threw some too short.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
right, because he had a bad ankle, not because he has a weak arm.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, because his ankle was bad, so was his footing.
It’s all still jake’s fault.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
“I didn’t get enough on it,” said Delhomme. “If I could’ve gotten enough on it, he would’ve had more of an opportunity to make a play.”
by discoinferno083 on Sep 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ravens held the JETS to just 5 first downs, and one of those by penalty. Every year their defense is just ridiculous. Ray in 15th year, lighting people up like a 25 yr old.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
This was the Jets though. Despite what many in the sports media would have you believe, Sanchez is not a very good quarterback.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 13, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like when he says the count.
He tries way to hard to yell and it’s really funny.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually haven’t heard many people say that Sanchez is a good QB.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 14, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The consensus I have seen is that the Browns were stupid for trading down and not selecting a “franchise QB”
This is what I was referring to.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a nice move for the Jets. Basically they moved up to number 5 for a 2nd rounder and 2 aging spares on Defense and a 4th string QB. The players selected become somewhat of a seperate issue. For example, I believe we selected Veikhune with the Jets pick. The fact he bombed was on us, we got a 2nd – we just didnt use it wisely. On the value chart (FWIW) they would be the big winner. Likewise with the trade downs – getting only a 6th each time was not very much, and now both 6th rounders are history, but the fact we selected Mack softens the blow considerably. Sanchez played well enough for them to advance to the AFC championship last year, certainly not bad for a rookie. He was asked to be a game manager more than win those games with his passing, but still, I know a few Orange and Brown QBs that couldn´t have done that.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I’ve brought this up before but Sanchez’s stats from last year were worse than JaMarcus Russel’s 2008-2009 campaign. Read more here (the ESPN Insider source requires a subscription)
http://deadspin.com/5452869/mark-sanchez-is-the-new-jamarcus-russell-only-worse
The quick and dirty…
Sanchez 2009-2010
196-for-364, 2,444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTs, Completion 53.8%
Russell 2008-2009
198-for-368, 2,423 yards, 13 TDs, 8 INTs, Completion 53.8%
And the Jets have Sanchez for 5 years, at $60 million, $28 guaranteed. The Browns would be going nowhere with an albatross like that on the roster. We would also probably still have a hole at center. NY succeeded last year in spite of Sanchez, not because of him.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just win baby. I think you are writing off Sanchez way too early. I agree he has not shown the promise that Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan did. But he has shown leadership and work ethic far beyond the Sta Puff Marshmallow QB. QBs are expensive, we are paying like $7 million for Jake after one of the worst years by a veteran QB in the last decade. In an uncapped year, I could care less about how the uber rich spend or waste their money.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Just win baby
and there it is. sanchez is a WINNER!!!!!! he’s second in the league only to roethlisberger, who is also a WINNER!!!!!
The cap will be back though, so it’s dumb to pretend like his contract is meaningless. Sanchez has been bad. The team has won because of strong defense and running game. I also would like to take this opportunity to point out that the Jets went 9-7 last year, the same record that Eric Mangini got fired for after drama queen Favre lost their season.
they were also gifted two games at the end of the season by teams who had already made the playoffs and rested their starters.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, part of Sanchez struggling has been the fact that he has to throw to Braylon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Sep 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair to objective argument, braylon wasn’t there the whole year and his true ‘number 1’ was likely cotchery who is usually pretty reliable.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Sanchez was also a rookie last year, and I’m pretty sure that if he was on the Browns most people here would be talking about how much them expect him to improve this year. It’s much too early to declare him a bust (not saying you’re doing that).
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not declaring him a bust. My post was simply in support of Dorn’s.
“The consensus I have seen is that the Browns were stupid for trading down and not selecting a "franchise QB"
Sanchez on team like the Jets or Ravens gives you a passable QB. Sanchez on the Browns would be bad for everyone.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment was in reply to Dorn, not you.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t call him a bust yet but he hasn’t matured or improved in the slightest through 5 games this year.
It actually looks like he regressed.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is prolly a fact if you consider how geeked we all over Delhomme and Sanchez had a higher QB with much fewer weapons than Jake.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Uh, what?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone is geeked about Delhomme as much as they were happy to see DA and Quinn gone.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
1. Reread your post before you post.
2. What Villeslgr said, and nobody was as geeked about Delhomme as you were McCoy.
Kill them. Kill them all.
What does McCoy have to do with it? I love the kid for sure, but if you check my posts I have continuously said that he has everything – except for maybe the arm to be a competent QB. If he doesn´t have an NFL caliber arm he will not be successful in the NFL. The problem is that Jake is coming off of one of the worst seasons for a veteran QB in the last 10 years, and started off his Browns career with a clunker. The one INT was just ridiculous, the second was terribly inaccurate, and he missed several downfield opportunities for big plays. That being said, I do think he will improve this week and I think this game was an exception, and he will not return to 2009 form.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I am not geeked in the slightest about Delhomme. In fact, he is the reason I am pessimistic about our win total this year.
He’s still an upgrade over any QB we’ve had since returning, save maybe Couch/Holcomb.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Monster might have included one line that could be construed as writing Sanchez too early, I think everything else was specifically referring to last year.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Ouch. Not saying you’re wrong, but out of context, that sentence looks horrible.
Kill them. Kill them all.
I am of the extreme minority that believes that Russell could become a competent NFL QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 15, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I am in that minority too. I think its highly unlikely, but he has some good skills and could become a competent QB if all the right things fell into place. the first step would be to seriously change his work ethic, which may be the hardest part.
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I appreciate Male Beauty
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
***Joke Alert***
F u go root for Arizona.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Sep 15, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought (and still do) Couch would have made a great QB in the right situation but that’s neither here nor there.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say however, the Jets may want to get those ‘spare parts’ back. Kris Jenkins just went down for the season which means Sione Pouha (sp) will move from DE where he was starting this year to NT. they already didn’t have much depth on the DL so I am guessing that they would actually want coleman back (and he would definitely be starting)
Also, Brodney Pool is hurt (not surprisingly). though elam isn’t particularly fast, their backup FS is pretty much a JAG when it comes to physical skills. we got 2 starters here who, if they were in NY right now, would start next week.
finally, whatever we did with the 2nd round pick. in hindsight, no matter what we did with that pick, it should be judged like any other pick in that area of the 2nd round. the player selection IS a separate issue and irrelevant because the jets lost those picks, not the players we took. It would be relevant if we could prove that they would take Veikune, but we don’t have proof.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
I thought we packaged 2 3rd rounders to move up and take Veikune.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 14, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone is watching San Diego-Kansas City, but the Chiefs look like an incredibly fast, athletic team. I know Romeo wasn’t a good HC, but he has always been a great defensive coordinator.
I always pegged the Chiefs game as a winnable game for the Browns, but if they play like this against us, we got no shot. They are destroying the Bolts.
There’s a fanshot discussion of the Monday night games.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 14, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
KC looks very good. Rain and no Vjax/McNeil probably hurting the bolts.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
KC’s just a very young but very talented team who can run it and play field position with good ST.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I’ve always wondered how much of the success was because of Romeo and how much was because of Belichick. Take a look at NE’s defense this year. Bill is at the helm and he had a young D that no one was giving any credit dominate Cinci on Sunday. This inclines me to believe that it was more Belichick than Romeo.
However, if Romeo’s D can string together an impressive season in KC I will certainly re-evaluate my position.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Was nice to see Romeo on the sideline, what a great job they did against SD. I think Romeo is a very effective DC, and a prime example of the “peter principle”. While I believe Mangini (leap of faith) is a much better HC than Romeo, I will always remember that RAC was a class act and wish him well with the DC every week except next week.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Absolutely a class act and you may very well be correct about the Peter Principle.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
is it that romeo’s gut is so big he can’t see his peter?
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
opinion alert*****
I don’t want to shortchange NE’s defense, but I think Cincy is severely overrated this year. Not 2008 Browns overrated but overrated.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
2010 Jets overrated?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think worse. I think the Jets have a legit D, but there offensive isn’t strong enough to take them to the Super Bowl, and I don’t believe their D can overcome that. In other words, just like in the first week if it came down to Baltimore and the Jets, I’m taking Baltimore every game. Also, for me, it’s weird how the Bengals and the Jets met last year in the playoffs and I would consider both of them overrated (in terms of people picking them for the Super Bowl).
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
offensive = offensive offense
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
An offensive offense is the Jets offense.
They say rude things to hot reporters.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree. Also, Cinci’s defense is overrated in addition to their offense. Both units are solid but not elite, a level that neither of the Ohio teams have reached consistently.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
This. I personally think many of their players overachieved and its hard to overachieve multiple years in a row, let alone improve on your overachievement (which many are predicting)
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I think these are my two favorite offensive stats: we had 6.2 YPA passing and 4.5 YPC running against TB.
The ideal is to have a higher YPA by a certain amount (a “passing premium”) because passing is inherently more risky than running. Typically, this is 1-2 yards per attempt/carry.
We were very close to the ideal, so it is hard for me to fault our staff for throwing so much, but it does seem like a lot of passing. I might have more on this later.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I would think that you would want to have at LEAST 2 more yards per attempt than per carry.
Just an example, the average team in the NFL had 7.0 yards per attempt on passing plays. this makes a lot of sense to me, because 6.5 and above I consider ‘solid’. 6.2 ypa last year would put you in the realm of the buffalo bills, the miami dolphins, and the Seahawks. None of these teams i would consider teams that should be passing it more with their ‘premium’.
For a counterpoint, the average yard per attempt in the league last year was 4.2. So the average team averaged 2.8 yards per attempt more than yards per carry. this is why I would maybe consider 3 more of the passing premium (maybe at one point 2 was, but this is a passing league now).
If the average team is by far surpassing the ‘premium’, maybe there is something wrong with the premium.
With that being said, are not terrible, but definitely not close to ideal. With those averages, we’d be bottom 8 last year in passing ypa and top 8 in rushing ypa…which is why lets go with what we did last year; grind it out.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Different teams place different emphasis on the passing premium.
If the average team is by far surpassing the ‘premium’, maybe there is something wrong with the premium.
This has got to be some logical fallacy and I bet you know the name of it. I look at it more as the reason that NFL teams pass so much; they are able to gain more yards per pass play while still managing their risk.
Our problem was that we didn’t gain enough yards in general; we just weren’t very good. And that we didn’t win the turnover battle.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree with not winning the overall turnover battle and thats what killed us. However, I just think that looking at our ypa, and ypc, I would have to say that we should have run MORE rather than say that we passed the right amount.
We definitely gained satisfactory yards per rushing play, we just didn’t rush enough.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
Strongly disagree, reasons coming soon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Get ’em Rufio.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I propose using Vickers at FB and Hillis at TB in an I-formation. Then we play a double tight formation on the O-line, and bring in a another tight-end to line up in the slot as a freaky flanker. I will call this hound and pound, because the three tight ends hound the linebackers while the running backs pound it up the middle. On other downs we use slant in and out patterns, or down and in and especially out patterns, or the tight end pop for the tight ends, while the running backs either make themselves available in screens or in the flats.
Thus we will be masters of the short yardage game, a totally novel concept in today´s NFL.
by mooncamping on Sep 14, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This makes things a little better.
from ESPN:
“Receiver Braylon Edwards wiped out a pair of plays that would have done the Jets a world of good. He was called for an illegal shift on a beautiful 33-yard strike from Mark Sanchez to Keller down the right sideline in the second quarter.
On a nifty up-the-middle maneuver to block a field goal, Edwards ran into Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff. The penalty gave the Ravens a first down on a drive that eventually ended with the game’s only touchdown."
Must be his New York essence….
by browndawgbacker on Sep 14, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
The refs didn’t like the flash either.
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by Browns town on Sep 14, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the news here is that edwards is on the field goal block team.
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by notthatnoise on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Only because you are not required to catch field goals
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by Kimble_79 on Sep 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
As much as I dislike Edwards he had a nice play on ST getting over the top of the line and attempting to block the kick. The kickers leg came down on Edwards who was on the ground resulting in the penalty. The officials called it to the ‘T’ but it was weak.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that call. Really chaps my rotund arse. That penalty used to be called when you wiped out a kicker with his leg in the air. Now it has morphed into an “acting con job” of a penalty where a kicker lands on a player and tumbles to the ground. Wish the competition committee would just go back to the old days on that one. Even worse in NCAA in pros.
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by realmccoy on Sep 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs























