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BEREA OH - AUGUST 04:  Joe Haden #23 of the Cleveland Browns slaps hands with teammate D'Qwell Jackson #52 during training camp at the Cleveland Browns Training and Administrative Complex on August 4 2010 in Berea Ohio.  (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

In today's edition of Around the Pound, we take a look at Jim Brown turning down Holmgren's invitation again to the Ring of Honor ceremony, a player from the Buccaneers in hot water after last week's game, what Eric Mangini has been saying in the press conferences, and some personal touting from the official Dawgs By Nature fantasy football league.

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Jim Brown: "Legacy Won't be Defined by Holmgren"

Is it wrong that I'm starting to get the same feeling from Jim Brown's quotes that I do whenever I see Braylon Edwards mention Cleveland in an interview? With the Ring of Honor ceremony approaching this Sunday, Brown has once again officially turned down the team's offer to be at the ceremony, according to FOXnews:

"No, I won't be going. My legacy won't be defined by Holmgren."

Good riddance. Honestly, Brown has probably done the team a favor in terms of making fans more aware that a Ring of Honor ceremony will be taking place in the team's home opener.

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Aqib Talib Facing More Trouble?

Remember how Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback Aqib Talib was suspended for last week's game against Cleveland? Well, apparantly the terms of a suspension indiciate that you can't attend the game, even as a spectator. According to reports, Talib was at the stadium watching the game from a private box.

When he was asked by the St. Petersburg times where he watched the game, he told them he watched it from near his home in Dallas. The NFL is now investigating the situation.

D'Qwell Jackson to Practice Today, Doubtful for Chiefs Game

While linebacker D'Qwell Jackson is expected to practice today for the first time in about a month, he doesn't think he'll see action this week against the Chiefs:

"I doubt it at this point," Jackson said of playing against the Chiefs. "In order for me to play I have to have a week of practice just to get the feel of everything."

Mangini Talks About Preparing for the Chiefs

During his Thursday morning press conference, head coach Eric Mangini talked about preparing for the Chiefs:

"What we're working on today is the Chiefs. We'll do some review from yesterday, cover some of the two minute situations and really standard in terms of our prep for an opponent so nothing out of the ordinary there either. I know their numbers weren't very good offensively on third down, but Charlie (Weis) is creative and I think they do a good job of identifying what the defense is in and I know Matt (Cassel). I've known Matt for a long time and he's a really smart guy so I think that they'll present some challenges. In addition to that, like we talked about yesterday, they have quite a variety of guys that can make plays in those situations.

Offensively, I thought that the plan that they had against San Diego last week, especially on third down, was a good one. It was aggressive in terms of the way that they covered them, a lot of bump man last week which you got to hold up and they held up well against a really good passing offense. They did a nice job in terms of getting some pressure on the quarterback some with design pressures and some with just a four man front. That's what we are focusing on here this afternoon."

Off-Beat Notes

  • There are alot of Fall TV premieres starting up. I already kicked things off by watching The Apprentice last night, and it was nice to see it back to the non-celebrity edition. Next week, I'll be gearing up for House, Glee, Fringe, and The Office. My regularly watched TV shows are pretty much cut in half this year with the departures of "24," LOST, Heroes, and Flashforward. None of the previews for new shows on broadcast television have compelled me very much, but I make take a look at The Event.
  • Should be a nice, cool day for the Browns game this Sunday. I just hope there isn't any rain, considering or struggles in wet conditions.
  • The Jets' offensive coordinator made a comment that any offensive player who puts the ball on the ground (excluding The Sanchise) will be pulled immediately. I'm dying to see Braylon Edwards fumble the football after an early touch.
  • I was very disappointed in my picks record last week, which was an underachieving 9-7 overall. There were a lot of close games that didn't go my away (Falcons, Lions, Broncos, Browns). I did pick the Seahawks and the Redskins to win though, so that counts for something, eh?
  • I had a great week in the DBN Fantasy Football League. My team scored 131 points, which was tops in the league. I finished the regular season in first place the past two years in the DBN league, and I'm not even letting anyone else sniff the top spot for a week. Next time, Ryan Kelsey needs to bring a lot more to the table if he expects to compete.

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Next time, Ryan Kelsey needs to bring a lot more to the table if he expects to compete.

Ooooh we got some trash talk going!

by emily522 on Sep 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

If I want to compete I need Matt Schaub and AP to score more than 17 points combined.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Sep 17, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No pun intended, but Clemson has some dawgs.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 18, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let take a different approach with Jim Brown. I am 37, have never seen Jim Brown play, havent seen him do anything substantial to help the current version of the Browns & in fact all I’ve seen him do is create problems. For myself if he doesnt want to come because his feelings are hurt thats fine. I see no reason to have an attachment to him. I understand history & its value it but when history doesnt care the present or its influence on the future then it isnt really of value.

by sleepy042 on Sep 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Same deal here. I never saw Jim Brown play. I grew up with Walter Payton, the consummate professional and person. I think about #32 and in my mind, there is no comparison to #34.

by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, for what he did in the game, that is false. For the way he acts though, that’s probably true.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Payton’s steroid use is open to debate, but there’s nothing more than circumstantial evidence for that.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Sep 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. He certainly didn’t do much of anything to help in his ambiguous ‘advisor’ role. And like I mentioned before, if he truly was a legitimate ‘advisor’ then he deserves to be fired like the rest of them for, well, sh*tty advice. He wasn’t even fired anyways, he was just given a title and responsibilities befitting what he was actually doing…which was standing there wearing his hat and looking surly….basically just being Jim Brown. He’s acting like a janitor who gets pissed for being called one instead of a ‘floorcare technician’ or something.

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 18, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parenthood’s season premiere was good.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Sep 17, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I think “the feeling you get” is wrong.
Jim Brown is not the type of historical proponent you can afford to disenchant, if this is a Browns site with any type of reasonable slant on continuity.
Party has participate in it, if Jim Brown does not participate, it´s not a Browns party.

by mooncamping on Sep 17, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

We don’t need Jim Brown anymore, we all have Joe Thomas to look up to now.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Sep 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel you’re due for an avatar change…

Nothing that directly relates to your name of course…

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 19, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I’m pretty attached to that picture but now seems like the time. it seems ridiculous commenting about how big of an asshole jim brown is and having his picture next to it.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 19, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Brown disenchanted HIMSELF. And Jim Brown doesn’t dictate how or when the Browns ‘party.’ He’s been afforded every manner of respect and reverence befitting his career with the Browns, and the fact that he can’t see that is his fault…no one else’s.

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 18, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, that´s your honest opinion.
But regarding club culture, you´re decision is not pro generational involvement.

by mooncamping on Sep 19, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa. How did Culture Club get into this conversation? Never mind. I misread that.

by JustBob on Sep 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

pro generational involvement in club culture?

Moon, do you really want to hurt me?

by johnnyphoenix on Sep 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would Mike Holmgren amble on in and tick off one of the most well known player personalities available to the Browns? Who is the new guy, Jim Brown or Mike Holmgren?

by mooncamping on Sep 20, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. If I have to choose between Jim Brown and The Cleveland Browns I’m choosing The Cleveland Browns.
2. They got rid of Bernie too…and he went quietly.

I will always respect Jim Brown for being the greatest player in franchise history and one of the very best to ever play the game…BUT I’m starting to see why the front office asked him to resign from his position.

by Bumblyjack on Sep 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

This is where everyone else starts to see what us smart fans already saw, much like LeBron… a jackass that everyone else loved and gave the benefit of the doubt too… until now.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 17, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Official DBN League Combined Stats

RB1 + RB2
golan 50
ryan 38
dn 25
tdsh 24
sleepy 18
chris 16
dorn 15
ntn 14
rocky 12
brad 11
rufio 11
bernie 4

WR1 + WR2
chris 41
tdsh 29
dn 24
golan 20
rufio 19
sleepy 14
dorn 14
bernie 11
rocky 9
ryan 9
ntn 7
brad 4

RB1 + RB2 + WR1 + WR2 + FLEX
tdsh 83
golan 73
chris 70
dn 60
ryan 59
rufio 43
sleepy 36
rocky 35
dorn 34
ntn 27
bernie 16
brad 15

TE + K + DEF
rocky 43
chris 33
tdsh 30
dorn 26
golan 25
bernie 25
ntn 23
dn 22
rufio 22
brad 20
ryan 18
sleepy 4

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Sep 17, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s pretty bad for Bernie to only get 4 points from his running backs. My WR numbers should go down this week, so hopefully my RB numbers, through MJD, go up to balance things out.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Sep 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting; Bernie takes backs with three of his first four picks and gets 4 points; I take Wide receivers with three of my first four and lead the league in points from backs (thank you very much Mr. Foster). It’ll be a wash soon enough though.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Sep 17, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my RB’s straight killed me.

I actually would have won if Floyd would have caught that last second TD.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 17, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

criminy i need to fix my TE/K/DEF

by sleepy042 on Sep 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t do anything too drastic just yet. The sample size is waaay too small to be significant. Give it a few weeks (I’ll be updating these stats every week for the duration of the season) and if you’re still lagging, then, maybe, you might want to think about adjusting your roster.

Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.™

by golanbatrac on Sep 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have a message board in your league?

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 17, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I don’t even pay close attention to the result until week 4 or 5. I try to keep playing who I think are the better players.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a good week. Top 3 in every category, and I think I was number 2 overall. It’s a long season though. I don’t see Welker and Forte giving me the numbers they gave me that often (though Welker is always good for a solid number). But on the other hand, I don’t see Ray Rice putting up 5 points all too often either.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got ripped for my Welker pick at when I took him. He’s healthy and a solid target for Brady. Don’t worry about him.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 17, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worried about him at all — he is a solid starting WR. Just saying you can’t count on him putting up the numbers he put up last week every week. He usually racks up yards not TD’s.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my team was terrible last week. Andre Johnson didn’t do very much and Beanie Wells was injured. I thought that I had started Darren McFadden in his place when I saw that Bush wasn’t playing but was mistaken and started Sims-Walker (who didn’t have a catch) so that really hurt me. McFadden’s 20 points would have made my score much more respectable.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 17, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not going in to the Jim Brown issue but gunna say he’s an idiot.
Good to see Jackson back.
The Jet’s OC is full of crap. If sucky Sanchez loses the ball he will not be pulled.
Fringe is back. YAY Both Olives are stuck on the wrong side. Can’t wait for next weeks premiere.

There’s only one FF league that matters and that belongs to the DBN misfits.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 17, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

after 1 week of play, let’s just say i’m pleased I took peyton manning with my first rounder.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 17, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I only watched/listened to a few minutes of the Jets game and in that short period of time Braylon got called for 2 penalties that caused a good play to be negated, and he wasn’t anywhere near where the action was in either case.

I don’t think you can compare Jim Brown to Braylon. Jim Brown has always been an angry, bitter man (and somewhat for good reason). Braylon is just an idiot.

I’m just glad we’re finally getting some recognition of this teams great history.

by HenryDawg on Sep 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

In other news, I caught my flag football team’s first and only TD pass yesterday! We lost haha.

by emily522 on Sep 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job!

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we please make this green?

by emily522 on Sep 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news, Joe Namath ripped Braylon.

by emily522 on Sep 18, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In what way?

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 18, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a link to this? That should be a FanShot.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 18, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should I just go ahead and drop Robiskie for Manningham?

by emily522 on Sep 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Robiskie is worth keeping on any fantasy team.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I took him with my last pick hoping he’d break out. I’ll wait until after this week to see what he does.

by emily522 on Sep 18, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt anyone picks him up. To me that’s one of the most important parts of fantasy football, acquiring people, whether it be draft or waiver wire at places where they have proper value.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Sep 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointed Jackson won’t be back this week, excited he is back practicing already.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Sep 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Thankfully, he should be back when our schedule turns into hell.

by AG7 on Sep 18, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Chris, I’m going to be at the game tomorrow and I am interested to see if Browns fans boo Jim Brown when his name is announced.

I will bring my video camera to tape it as long as it is not raining and I will send you the link and embed if fans do indeed boo his name,

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by theW0LF on Sep 18, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

OT: Kent State vs. Penn State on ESPN2. Or as I like to call it…

SpecialBrownie vs. Dawg Nuts.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

After the Bama game, PSU is going to be out for blood today. I watched the first 8 minutes or so today, and I don’t believe there is much hope for Kent State.

by AG7 on Sep 18, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

KSU is having spurts of a competent team. PSU is out to an early 14-0 lead but you’d expect that from a Big Ten team playing the MAC. But, PSU is hitting some walls against us.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 18, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve got to give Kent State’s D some credit. They shut it down after those first two drives.

by AG7 on Sep 18, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess its not like OSU vs. OU

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 18, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noo, OSU dominated, where PSU looks like they need some serious work.

by AG7 on Sep 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. It seems that way about Penn State. Still…we saw Todd Bauserman in the 2nd quarter. just a ridiculous game.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 19, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think any realistic penn state fan knows that 8 wins will be a decent season for us this year. we’ll be pretty decent next year and will likely contend in 2012.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 19, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

if only for today, I own you.

by Dawg Nuts on Sep 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since I couldn’t get OU-OSU, I decided to watch Arkansas-UGA.

I have always been a Ryan Mallett fan, and he has done nothing to stop me today. If we are looking for a QB come April, that argument is for another day, I am all in for Mallett.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

ARK QB, right? He’s a big dude. 6’6" 240. Freaking monster.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have heard comparisons to a more talented DA. Huge guy, extremely strong arm. Highly inconsistent. terrible accuracy.

however, if he is for real and the UGA game is actually a sign of him improving on these traits, then i might consider it.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually if you get a chance look at the end of the arkansas game where they won the game. The Georgia defense went to a zone but the CB didnt drop back far enough to help out the safety who took a bad angle on the WR for a tackle (looked like brandon mcdonald actually). mullett didnt win the game on his own a defensive blunder did. though he did show some decent pocket presence i must admit.

by sleepy042 on Sep 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok. I saw a bit of the game and he looked good. I didn’t watch all of it. He definitely still needs work.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad he stayed for one more year.

He looks solid and polished. Count me in for the Mallett Monster.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 18, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That final drive was a thing of beauty.

by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see Jake Locker play but his stats looked ugly — 4/20 for 71 yards with 1TD and 2 picks. That’s terrible! I know he was playing against a really good defense but the supposed #1 pick in the draft shouldn’t put up numbers like that.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He destroyed syracuse, but last I remember, they are sucking at football. He wasn’t bad, but pretty pedestrian (1 TD, 7 ypa, 54 comp %…basically locker of 2009) against BYU. He doesn’t look like he has significantly improved overall over last year…still highly inconsistent against good teams. I already had serious doubts if he could be a franchise QB.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Luck looks good too.

by emily522 on Sep 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love me some luck. Locker doesn’t impress me, Mallett I would only take if he shows tremendous strides this year (or else he could be Jamarcus Russell-esque). Luck is just money in the bank.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

I appreciate Male Beauty

Intensive Purposes? I could care less...

by bross09 on Sep 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

andrew luck is looking like the real deal though….

by sleepy042 on Sep 19, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

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