I think if they don't win a game before the bye, Mangini will be fired during the bye week. I don't expect Holmgren to take over coaching. I think he may finally be done coaching, I would have to imagine that Rob Ryan or Brad Seely, the assistant head coach/special teams coordinator, would take over in the interim. Something tells me the Browns will win one before the bye week. I guess it would not kill us to keep Mangini for the whole year because I don't expect Ryan or Seely to be that much better than Mangini. The Browns are in this position because we don't have enough playmakers on this team. Every playmaker we did have were traded away. Grant it a lot of them deserved to be traded away but Mangini never replaced them, either through trades or free-agency. Let's face it the Browns need a franchise QB, their #1 priority and then a #1 WR. I think the defense is adequate, not that we don't need playmakers on that side of the ball but offense should be the main concern before the defense. Look at the Bengals maybe a bad example considering they are rumored to be so cheap in scouting and the personnel department. But if you look they got their franchise QB in Palmer and a #1 WR in Chad Johnson which was a good start. Then they drafted and built a very good line to protect Palmer. Then they did their work on defense every year drafting a key piece for their defense. Most of the defensive starters are either 1st or 2nd round picks. Their starting CBs are considered the best in the AFC North, maybe in the NFL, let's just say both CBs are well respected around the NFL. Grant it a lot of their players have character issues but who cares really, the Browns are not building a choir, they are building a football team. If you have strong leadership in your coaching staff, you should be able to control these high risk players. I find it amazing how Marvin Lewis is able to control a bunch of players that act like thugs. Just so I make everything clear, I don't think the Bengals are the greatest team but at least they are competitive and they have made the playoffs and won the conference more than once a decade. The Browns will never win a championship if they can't make the playoffs.