Cleveland Browns Announce Final Roster Cuts, Activate DL Shaun Rogers
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT
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First off, the Cleveland Browns activated defensive lineman Shaun Rogers from the physically unable to perform list. That's good news, because it means he might be available to play by Week 1. At the very least, he won't be out for six weeks.
The following players were cut by the Cleveland Browns, trimming their roster from 75 to the league required 53 players. Make sure you react to all of the cuts in the comments section below! The final 53-man roster is also at the bottom of this post.
(Key: Expected Cut, Highlighted/Notable Cut, Shocker Cut)
OFFENSIVE PLAYERS CUT
- QB Brett Ratliff - He was victimized in the preseason by drops from receivers like Jake Allen. Still, we don't really need four quarterbacks on the roster, so I don't see this as a big loss.
- RB Chris Jennings - After Hardesty's season-ending injury, it was surprising to see Jennings gone. When you think about it though, if the team considers Peyton Hillis a fullback, then we do have three running backs.
- WR Bobby Engram - I wouldn't have minded keeping the veteran wideout, but the team went with youth instead.
- WR Jake Allen - No surprise given he had two horrible drops in the final preseason game, one that led to an interception. He's also made several blunders at the receiver position in other preseason games.
- WR Syndric Steptoe - He was a former seventh-round pick who happened to stick around awhile. I thank him for his cool name, but after several years, it was clear he really couldn't benefit our offense.
- TE Joel Gamble - We didn't get a long look at the young tight end, but he was already released once so this wasn't a surprise.
- OT Scott Kooistra - This was certainly a surprise, but I guess the Browns are comfortable with veterans St. Clair and Womack filling in. Either way, we don't have a decent backup left tackle should anything ever happen to Joe Thomas.
- OT Joel Reinders - We finally saw our YouTube project in action against the Bears for a few series. His highlights were allowing a pass rusher to easily blow by him and then to receive a lecture from Mangini on the sideline. There's still an off chance he could be on the practice squad for development.
- OG Casey Bender - Bender had no shot at making the final roster, and neither did Fanaika below. They either didn't get reps in the preseason, or were a part of the offensive line that kept getting McCoy and Ratliff killed.
- OG Paul Fainaka - See above.
- OG Pat Murray - See above.
DEFENSIVE PLAYERS CUT
- DE Clifton Geathers - The Browns will probably try to find room for the massive Geathers on their practice squad. He was a sixth-rounder for the team this year.
- DE C.J. Mosley - With Brian Schaefering coming on strong, this wasn't too big of a surprise I guess. On that note, I would've thought we would've just left him on the PUP for six weeks in case we needed him.
- DT Travis Ivey - He was barely with the team, and with Rogers coming off the PUP, he wasn't really needed.
- DT Swanson Miller - See above.
- DL Brian Sanford - See above.
- CB Coye Francies - Can we please try to get Francies on the practice squad? He has a knack for taking a chance at making the tackle at the line of scrimmage rather than waiting for a receiver/runner to come to him.
- CB Brandon McDonald - This is probably the biggest surprise given the news that Gerard Lawson and Coye Francies had already been cut. This either means we will keep the extra safeties for special teams help,
or someone like Chris Chancellor or DeAngelo Smith will sneak on the roster. If nothing else, we could probably find a veteran corner who was cut from a different team and sign him. - CB DeAngelo Smith - It's not necessarily a surprise that Smith was cut, but it is when you consider the team only kept three cornerbacks total.
- CB Chris Chancellor - See above.
- S Larry Asante - While still an alarming cut, I still felt this one was coming. He had some hard hits in the final preseason game, but really didn't stand out in camp. He is another practice squad candidate.
FORMER BROWNS PLAYERS WAIVED
- QB Graham Harrell (Packers)
- QB Richard Bartel (Redskins)
- WR Jerious Norwood (Eagles)
- TE Martin Rucker (Cowboys)
- OL Isaac Sowells (Bengals)
- OT Kirk Chambers (Bills)
- LB Matt Stewart (Steelers)
- DT Amon Gordon (Seahawks)
- DT Orien Harris (Bengals)
- LB Alex Hall (Giants)
- DB Nate Ness (Dolphins)
FINAL 53-MAN ROSTER (on 9/4/10)
QB (3):
-Jake Delhomme
-Seneca Wallace
-Colt McCoy
RB (3):
-Jerome Harrison
-James Davis
-Peyton Hillis
FB (1):
-Lawrence Vickers
WR (5):
-Mohamed Massaquoi
-Brian Robiskie
-Chansi Stuckey
-Joshua Cribbs
-Carlton Mitchell
TE (4):
-Ben Watson
-Evan Moore
-Robert Royal
-Alex Smith
OL (8):
-Joe Thomas
-Eric Steinbach
-Alex Mack
-Shawn Lauvao
-Tony Pashos
-Floyd Womack
-John St. Clair
-Billy Yates
DL (6):
-Shaun Rogers
-Ahtyba Rubin
-Robaire Smith
-Kenyon Coleman
-Brian Schaefering
-Derreck Robinson
LB (12):
-Scott Fujita
-D’Qwell Jackson
-Chris Gocong
-Matt Roth
-David Bowens
-Eric Barton
-Jason Trusnik
-Kaluka Maiava
-David Veikune
-Marcus Benard
-Titus Brown
-Blake Costanzo
CB (3):
-Eric Wright
-Sheldon Brown
-Joe Haden
S (5):
-Abram Elam
-T.J. Ward
-Mike Adams
-Nick Sorensen
-Ray Ventrone
ST (3):
-Phil Dawson
-Reggie Hodges
-Ryan Pontbriand
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Wow. We’re really going to be short at corner.
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makes you wonder if they have a waiver claim in (or approved) already.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Demps? Macho Harris? Both are Safeties, though.
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yeah I really dont see anyone out there id take a flier on at CB….
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How much you wanna bet that Moony’s got some names?
by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we really keep a bazillion linebackers?
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha looks like we were thinking the same thing…. Makes you wonder if we are going to see lots of that "1 DL shit loads of LB’s) package this year.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA I was just thinking that. I thought maybe a couple would get cut.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This concerns me, because I don’t like how thin we are at corner and DL now. Bowens and Barton I though were a little expendable, probably even Brown. That’s a good 3 players right there.
by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 4, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So we kept 4 Te’s? Watson, Royal, Moore, Smith (did I miss Smith getting cut somewhere?)
I am disappointed in the cuts of Geathers, Asante, and Francies. Other then that I think we did a nice job cleaning up. Shocked that there were 0 LB cuts
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
2 TE formations need a lil depth.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw enough of Royal last year to not want him anywhere near the field
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess i can see why they would keep 4 TEs, since evan moore has a nasty injury history
Jake is my hommeboy
he does? I know he had a broken hand last year at TC with GB. in college he had a fracture (hasnt reoccured) a dislocated hip (not reoccured) and then some minor knee injury that got him out of GB and onto the Browns where the knee has looked fine. I see no connection between any of these.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
AS for the whole Rogers thing, I dont think he misses a game. He didnt play in the PS last year either and when I saw him at the Brown/White scrimmage he was dancing around, joking, and even came up into the stands to sign autographs. No limp, no brace, nothing.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
No one likes practice.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hey Chris any chance we can get the 53 man roster in its entirety somewhere? I am having a hard time putting it together in my head and am interested in trying to figure out depth charts.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
No problem. Was actually working on it as you posted this, coincidentally. It is listed below.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
QB (3):
-Jake Delhomme
-Seneca Wallace
-Colt McCoy
RB (3):
-Jerome Harrison
-James Davis
-Peyton Hillis
FB (1):
-Lawrence Vickers
WR (5):
-Mohamed Massaquoi
-Brian Robiskie
-Chansi Stuckey
-Joshua Cribbs
-Carlton Mitchell
TE (4):
-Ben Watson
-Evan Moore
-Robert Royal
-Alex Smith
OL (8):
-Joe Thomas
-Eric Steinbach
-Alex Mack
-Shawn Lauvao
-Tony Pashos
-Floyd Womack
-John St. Clair
-Billy Yates
DL (6):
-Shaun Rogers
-Ahtyba Rubin
-Robaire Smith
-Kenyon Coleman
-Brian Schaefering
-Derreck Robinson
LB (12):
-Scott Fujita
-D’Qwell Jackson
-Chris Gocong
-Matt Roth
-David Bowens
-Eric Barton
-Jason Trusnik
-Kaluka Maiava
-David Veikune
-Marcus Benard
-Titus Brown
-Blake Costanzo
CB (3):
-Eric Wright
-Sheldon Brown
-Joe Haden
S (5):
-Abram Elam
-T.J. Ward
-Mike Adams
-Nick Sorensen
-Ray Ventrone
ST (3):
-Phil Dawson
-Reggie Hodges
-Ryan Pontbriand
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holy shit only 3 CBs and 12 LBs…. good god the Front Office must be REAL comfortable with Haden,Brown,Wright.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. What do you do with 12 LBs? None of them can play safety or CB. The FO has to know something we don’t.
Maiava can play a safety-ish role. Also, Bowens was back there actually lined up at safety for at least one down last year. He wasn’t good at it, but they have the guts to put him back there.
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Are we looking to trade some of these LBs?? WTF is going on here? One massive STs unit that will destroy everyone in their way?
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You would have to think some kind of trade is in the works… or Djack is going IR.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a trade is in the works!! Teams are lining up at our door to take Barton, Veikune and Titus Brown!!!
by TheDriveStillHurts on Sep 5, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone could be interested in DQ.
Saints are very thin at LB right now. I’m just tossing around ideas right now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If we were to trade DQ, would the starting MLB’s be Bowens and Barton? I know we have a lot of LB’s, but if that is what we end up with after the hypothetical trade of DQ, I wouldn’t be too excited about it.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Gocong and Barton are supposed to be our starters with DQ out. I’d prefer Gocong and either Maiava or Veikune.
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Yeah, I’m not big on Barton, but still Gocong and any of those three really isn’t that strong.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
you kidding me? I barton has had minimal time in preseason on the field and when he was there, he did almost nothing. If we keep barton after this trade, I would be shocked.
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Oh, you’re right, because Gocong, Maiava and Veikune were flashing signs of becoming solid LB’s. Do you just disagree because you feel hat every comment needs an opposing view or what? Barton and the previous 3 I listed are all back up guys, not worthy of starting. The point is that we need DQ unless we add an ILB with some talent.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Gocong HAs shown flashes of becoming a solid LB this preseason and Maiava showed flashes this year…at least they have shown more flashes of anything than Barton has his whole time here.
I agree we need to keep DQ, but I think barton needs to be gone.
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The funny thing is that I predicted the final roster would look something like this (less cornerbacks, lots of linebackers, four tight ends). Probably won’t stay that way though after tomorrow.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. Don’t you HAVE to have 4 active Cornerbacks? Maybe they count Adams as a CB…
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I could be wrong, but I think that rule of “have to have” a certain amount of players per position only applies to Madden.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wasn’t even thinking of madden. I was just thinking that you kinda need 4 CBs to play a Dime defense.
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I thought we would keep it small at CB but 3 is kinda silly. Although I guess you can kinda count Adams as a CB too. I would have honestly rather cut Titus Brown and kept McDonald on as our 4th CB though if its between him playing it and Adams.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are some other former browns players cut:
DL Amon Gordon (Butch)
QB Richard Bartel (savage FA)
LB/LS Matt Stewart (Butch FA)
WR Jordan Norwood (Mangini FA)
OL Eric Ghiacuic (Holmgren FA…if this one counts)
S Ross Ventrone (not a former brown but the brother also played at New England and Villanova like Ray)
OL Cliff Louis (Savage FA)
DL Orien Harris (Savage FA)
OL Kirk Chambers (Butch)
these are just the names I recognized…none of them were as important though to the team as the guys you mentioned though.
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In other news God Shammgod remains unrelated to Cleveland Browns roster cuts.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 4, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s not freak out too much because as much as I want to too, I know that something is cooking in the Browns’ front office and this will change a lot in the next 24 hours.
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god I hope so. Either that or the “Senile Holmgren” rants will begin shortly.
That or the conspiracy rants of how he is trying to shorthand Mangini so he can take over next season.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If I’m not mistaken, GM Tom Heckert was supposed to have control of the 53-man roster.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
if thats the case, i really think we are getting macho or quintin
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
would that stop some of the posters? Not sure how bad it gets here but on the other 2 message boards I frequent most of the posters believe Holmgren has final say and is hanging out waiting to hang Mangini
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren is not a prick like that because if he did hang out Mangini like that, then he would lose a ton of credibility.
Holmgren is a good guy and not and bad guy.
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Oh I agree completely. It just gets painful checking message boards and seeing 500 threads saying “see he wants Mangini to fail” and “God Holmgrens draft sucked”.
Maybe im just frequenting the wrong boards though lol
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are on the Cleveland.com boards, then I would say yes you are on the wrong one because that one is brutal and terrible.
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Holmgren could have simply fired Mangini after last season and no one would have second guessed him about it. So essentially there would be no need to go through the whole hassle of ‘sabotaging’ the roster in order to do so.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 4, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly. I hope you guys arent misconstruing what im saying as to me thinking that MH is doing that.
But go read posts on the ESPN boards, anyone who plays Goallineblitz check out the Browns PF, the Browns facebook posts are littered with garbage posts claiming all of this.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
well…DBN is much more intelligent than to be filled with a bunch of garbage posts. thats what makes this place so great.
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I too believe that is what was stated in his contract when he come here.
Something is brewing though….because I see Titus Brown, Sorensen, Veikune, and Barton as players who could still get dropped if the Browns find some players on waivers.
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Sorensen sucked donkey dick before he got his bell rung. Can’t believe they kept him, even if they’re planning to release him later.
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I always thought he was a fairly good ST player.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve more than caught our limit. Time to let some of our special teams ‘aces’ go.
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last I checked ST could play a vital part in any NFL game. Look at our win in KC last year. If you have a guy who is good at it why let him go just to put a body at another position who may not make as much of an impact there as Sorensen would on ST?
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Especially with Cribbs returning kicks/punts. You need to help spring that guy loose and Sorensen has helped to do that in the past.
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but what use is a special teams ‘ace’ if he cannot play outside of special teams and if he does, is terrible. Asante who we cut was very good on ST and at least a solid player at safety.
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Right. There’s only one true ST Ace on this team, and that’s Costanza. Everyone else needs to be able to contribute elsewhere or they’re a waste of a roster spot.
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And Costanzo I would rather have at LB than sorenson doing anything outside of ST. I agree…
And Costanza…well he needs to learn he will never be an architect.
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Shit. I always do that. Costanza.
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its fine. Costanzo, costanza…very close…just one is a bit chubby and balding.
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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by dawgtribe on Sep 5, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorensen is a VERY good ST player and doesn’t suck donkey dick at safety either. I’m all for maintaining one of the best ST units in the league and he definately helps.
He’s easily replaced on special teams, and if he’s playing safety, we’re in trouble.
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cutting sorenson wouldn’t severely cripple our ST unit; only having 3 CBs could severely cripple our D, and therefore, our entire team. sorenson is expendable.
I’d say Royal, Alex Smith or Titus Brown should go before Sorenson because they honestly won’t contribute in any way.
I’ll give you brown due to how many other LBs we have. royal and smith both have value in this offense.
Royal with blocking I guess, but everything Smith does, the three before him do better. That guy will be buried in the depth chart.
so because Watson does everything better, we should cut alex smith? yeah, we only need one TE who has solid hands and is a decent blocker…
Royal can’t catch and Moore is not a good blocker yet…
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Ok, so Watson is good receiver, solid blocker. Moore can catch exceptionally well, can’t block so well. Royal can’t catch so well, blocks well. Smith just isn’t needed.
I completely disagree. In a 2 TE formation, to keep from being predictable, shouldn’t you have 2 guys that can catch that are also good blockers? Totally. You don’t want to get predictable to the point where the D will know one guy will block or one guy will run a pattern. to be truly successful, you need TWO players who can both block and catch. without smith, we only have one.
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Titus brown I have seen play some on ST and he isn’t bad. Smith is a backup FB like hillis. Royal is maybe our best blocking TE. these guys definitely contribute more than a guy who is a good ST player, but nothing else.
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and doesn’t suck donkey dick at safety either
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Plus, no need to use phrases like ‘donkey dick’…
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yeah. A little humorous, but unnecessary (not offended, i just thought it made him look more juvenile)
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there clearly aren’t many of us that are concerned about looking juvenile…
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 4, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It was more of a quote from the post I responded to, just didn’t take the time to put the quotes in. Apologies
I didn’t see ‘donkey dick’ before you said it…
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Sorensen sucked donkey dick before he got his bell rung. Can’t believe they kept him, even if they’re planning to release him later.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 4, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 5, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Insightful.
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I hate your hate for Sorensen.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn’t really do anything though…. He’s outlived his usefulness to the team, I think.
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I totally agree with you. you can only have so many special teams ‘aces’…especially the kinds that aren’t useful playing offense or Defense. you get to a point where you have to put guys on your roster who can ACTUALLY play outside of special teams in a pinch and actually be a ‘backup’. We’re almost to the point where we have too many ST ‘aces’
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Jets are down one Linebacker and one disgruntled ProBowl corner. Maybe we send them half a dozen linebackers for Revis.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 4, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll be competing with Dallas for corners, as they only kept three as well.
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by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about talking about the biggest and best news being that Shaun Rogers is now active?!?! That is a very good sign and helps the defensive tremendously in game one.
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the question is WHERE does he play? I hope the answer is DE
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That really doesn’t matter because he will be disruptive at either DT or DE. He just needs to be on the field period.
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by theW0LF on Sep 4, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, and I could see him moving around and playing both spots throughout games. It really looks like versatility got people jobs this year.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. What better way to stock a team than with versatile players…I see this as an advantage because it creates so much depth.
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Except for Sorenson, who apparently doesn’t need to be versatile, because he’s just that damn good. Or something.
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I have no clue what your crazy talk is about now and you have gone off of the deep end.
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He hates white DBs. That’s all.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate players with zero upside who aren’t very good.
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THIS. I mean, I haven’t heard you bitching about Ray ventrone…because Ventrone has upside and the potential to eventually be at least a backup safety.
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neither of them has ‘upside’ mangini isn’t an upside kind of guy. he is a “look i need the best special teams in the league to save my fkn job” kind of guy.
"Smokescreen."
Ventrone definitely has upside and has more physical skills than sorenson. Ventrone is also relatively young while sorenson is 32. That is old, and honestly, even though he is not a full time D-Back, I have doubts if he can be as effective of a player a whole season going forward.
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does he have to play one exclusively?
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If he can play both, then he will play both throughout the game I’m thinking. I do know that Rogers doesn’t want to tie up two lineman as a DT in a 3-4 defense is supposed to do and Rogers wants to bash some QBs into the dirt instead.
Big Baby is hungry for QB blood.
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well i like the idea of rodgers at end anyway because IMO i think rubin is better at stopping the run anyway, but i likehaving them both on the feild at the same time anyway
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hahai remember at the end of last season thinking we should sign haynewoth…that would be 1 nasty d-line, haynesworth,rubin,rodgers lol
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Haynesworth isnt as good as people make him out to be.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No cry babbies allowed.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
how is babby formed?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Not sure, but I know it comes from a woman’s tummy.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trade for Haynesworth in a heartbeat.
Rogers-Rubin-Haynesworth has me drooling.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert haynesworth is of rediculus size. However I dont think he is what you would call a “mangini guy”
"Smokescreen."
If he is going to help Mangini win games, then I bet Mangini would be okay with it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 4, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No way he’d go from a 3-4 back to a 3-4.
We don’t need his shit.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 4, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s a trade, then he doesn’t have much of a say, not to mention that Haynesworth has actually enjoyed being a 3-4 DE.
As for the rest of your statement, what has Haynesworth done that has been so wrong? He skipped VOLUNTARY workouts and then was made to jump through hoops to get back to practice.
I’m not saying Haynesworth is a boy scout by any means, but the situation in Washington reeks of Shanahan trying to be tough cop in a new city.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
if by “Jump through hoops” you mean “complete a physical in a relatively easy timeline (did you not see all the former players/analysts/everyday people that completed said task after he failed)” then yes they made him jump through hoops. And he is making $100 million dollars to be a fat lazy out of shape bum who really isnt as good as the media made him out to be.
His claim to fame is stomping on a guys face for crying out loud.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He showed up to camp 40lbs lighter than last season, I hardly think that makes him “fat” or “lazy”.
As for your belief that Haynesworth’s conditioning test was routine, it was anything but. Don’t believe me, read the article;
Haynesworth should have understood right then he would not pass the test. Despite Shanahan’s insistence it was a "basic" fitness exam, the test was made to fail.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
from your own article
After receiving $32 million of the $100 million contract he signed before last season, he infuriated most of Washington by appearing out of shape. Shanahan could have provided him a new start.
Yet when asked to adhere to his new coach’s plan for him, Haynesworth refused, choosing to scorch the earth.
And so on Thursday he ran.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
from your own article
After receiving $32 million of the $100 million contract he signed before last season, he infuriated most of Washington by appearing out of shape. Shanahan could have provided him a new start.
Yet when asked to adhere to his new coach’s plan for him, Haynesworth refused, choosing to scorch the earth.
Self ownage?
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That quote is referencing him failing the conditioning test.
People see that he “failed” the conditioning test, so he “appears” out of shape.
It’s not a quote damning Haynesworth’s physical readiness, it is a quote pointing out how Shanahan’s was setting Haynesworth up to fail.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
actually its not… did you read the article?
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I did.
Don’t believe me? Here is another article talking about Haynesworth’s off-season.
How many other Redskin players had to pass a conditioning test? Zero. Shanahan says that is because Haynesworth missed a certain percentage of off-season workouts. Those workouts are VOLUNTARY. You still think those tests were because he was “out of shape”?
Now if you want to argue that Haynesworth acted like a punk over the 3-4/4-3 ordeal, then you have some merit. But since he has gotten into camp, he has accepted his role in the defense. I’m not saying Haynesworth is a saint, but to pass on him because of what is going on in Washington is shortsighted.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be all for getting Haynesworth if he took a pay cut.
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Haynesworth’s contract over the next three years is:
3 years, 16 million with 9 guaranteed.
I would trade a 3rd round pick for that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
In a heartbeat.
I didn’t know that all of the money was upfront. Man, did the ’skins ever get hosed.
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He still has some money tied up after those three seasons are up, but they are tied to roster bonuses, etc. In other words, money we wouldn’t have to pay if he wasn’t playing well.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is wrong.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want a face walker on our team. Dude was just pissed at being in a 3-4 in the first place because DL in a 3-4 in general don’t do crap, even DEs (of course just depends on the 3-4 variant but in a base they do squat.) Never seemed to have good work ethic regardless of this years stuff. And I don’t really think he’s all that he’s hyped up to be.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
None of that would stop me from acquiring Haynesworth.
Sometimes you have to take risks on talent.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s just it. I don’t think he has talent.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Use reply button, bro.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No subject lines, bro.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just messing with you. haha
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
oh ok i was like i know the rules and stuff because i go on DBN all the time…i just never post/sign in lol
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Haynesworth’s whole tantrum in Washington was because he didn’t want to play in a 3-4 – why would he all of the sudden want to here?
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
i thought it was because no one liked him in washington and he wanted to play DE?
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He just needs a little love, that’s all
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
myron rolle,macho harris,chevez jackson…make it happen!!
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
No to Rolle (that year off killed him IMO) but I wouldnt mind looking at Jackson if no other CB’s become available through trade/drops (havent checked out the entire who dropped who lists yet)
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well i like jackson because he is a bigger dude, and wayyyyyy better tackler then b-mac
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The steelers should pick up rolle to tutor Ben for 4 weeks on proper public image!
by OSUMoneyball on Sep 4, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
lol the names on these people are just awesome.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Sep 5, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Note to BMac… Lose the Twitter acct… The message has been sent (again). Screw up, embarrass us, you’re history.
Somewhat surprised at Francies & Kooistra. Both looked serviceable in the last preseason game.
by CTBrownsFan on Sep 4, 2010 10:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This debate thread is crazy! I had to tweet it out on both my Twitter accounts.
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look at these reactions… its kinda comical.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wooooooow some kid said we should have gotten rid of that bum eric wright….kid deserves to get smacked in the mouth for saying such things
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lots of people like to talk sports knowing nothing about it.. one woman also said she is shocked we cut ratliff and that we were probably going to sign Leinart now because “Mangini is that dumb”
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s new with Cribbs? Is he still returning all the kicks and is he oging to get more touches on offense like he wanted? HIs contract settled?
It's just about time for us to get out there and win a MF Game!
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His contract was settled a long time ago. He will return kicks and punts, but might not be a gunner this year unless it’s a close game late. He will be used a lot more offensively, according to him and Seneca Wallace. He’s gotten better as a wide receiver too, to the surprise of many.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m interested to see if the package that includes Wallace and Cribbs includes Carlton Mitchell.
by OSUMoneyball on Sep 4, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not interested in Carlton Mitchell doing anything other than having an intimate relationship with the Juggs machine.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
and posting more pictures on his website.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 4, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give him a year working with Jake and you could be looking at a very very dangerous receiver.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ya he has that dangerous combo of size and speed, he just needs to work on his hands and we got ourselves a steel in the 6th round
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a reason he was looked at as a high level pick before all the underclassmen came out this past year. Yes he lacks technical soundness, but he played in a gimmick offense that rarely threw the ball.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I am severely disappointed he made the 53 instead of the practice squad. maybe they were scared he wouldn’t clear waivers?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
I think that could be part of it. Not to mention who else would they have kept? He was the best of the worst on our PS roster.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 6, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
What round was Asante drafted in? 5th? I cant believe he got cut and C. Mitchell made the team. How could Asante be more of a project than him?
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I don’t know exactly. I thought Mitchell was more of a project. However, 5th round is definitely not early…Its not that shocking to cut a 5th rounder and keep a 6th rounder (the round that Mitchell was drafted)
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especially when they play 2 completely different positions. The players Mitchell beat out were an over the hill Engram, undrafted Haggerty, 7th rounder Steptoe, and the worst WR ever in Jake Allen.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
haha that picture is pretty fitting.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they revamp the scouting department when Holmgren came in or is it the same guys? The 2 logical ways to build a team are through the draft and free agency. Seems like we’ve done a serviceable job in free agency the last few years – at least I can see what we’re thinking when we bring guys in – but we consistently end up cutting 4th round and later draft picks and almost never find the diamonds in the rough in those late rounds that other teams find. Asante, B Bell, Rucker, Perkins, Geathers…the list goes on of guys we draft in the later rounds and either cut right away or cut a year later having decided they have no value. I understand you can’t judge a draft for several years but we’ve got a definite trend of finding little to no value in the late rounds. J Davis might end up being one of the few exceptions.
I don’t know. The 2008 draft was horrendous (thanks Phil!) but we did come away with a 6th round starter (Tuba Rubin). The jury is still out on 2009 and 2010. Between the two drafts, we have three cuts (Francies, Asante and Geathers) and one player who was stolen by the Jags (Carey). All but Carey are practice squad eligible, and among the players I’d expect to make the practice squad.
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also, wasn’t vickers a sixth rounder?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Some of this might be misleading because the 09 and 10 drafts are more recent. If the 5th+ round picks from 09 develop and/or are on actual rosters in a couple of years, then we can really score them better, you know?
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I’m pretty sure Holmgren brought in some of his scouts. I remember him doing that right after he took this job.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the lack of draft prowess in the later rounds. You look at a team like the Patriots, who have well over a dozen of their ‘09 and ’10 late round picks on the roster (and half of them are starters), then you look at us and it’s… not like that.
I’m not particularly high on the free agency bits either. We’ve had one winning season in the last five. 2 (I think) since we came back. It seems like we’re picking up the guys who were supplanted by better players on other teams (like Willie McGinnest) and keeping them around for their “leadership” instead of looking for talent.
Personally, I abandon the whole vested veteran, locker room leader strategy and build exclusively through the draft. Guys like Josh Cribbs & Joe Thomas developed into locker room leaders over time and I feel like guys like Barton & Bowens are just eating up space that could be used to develop the slew of young guys who need the playing team, even if they get burned once or twice.
Bottom line is we’re not a good team and we’re a good two to three years out from being competitive in arguably the toughest division in the NFL. Skip the band-aids on broken legs approach and go for the long rehab.
so again…lets blame holmgren because savage couldn’t draft? not logical…
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I’m not blaming holmgren at all right now. I’m saying the last ten years has been “get the best free agent you can and take crapshot flyers on draft picks.” It’s not an indictment of Holmgren’s work. I’m actually pretty pleased when what he & Mangini have done in a limited amount of time. Just saying that I hope we don’t continue signing veterans for “leadership” when it’s clear the talent level isn’t quite there. We’ve been doing it since ’99 and Mangini tried to do it last year as well (we had what, 9 ex-Jets on the roster last year?)
Mercifully, Holmgren’s one attempt at it (Bobby Engram) didn’t pan out.
I’m just ready to drop the whole “we need leaders.” Let the leaders naturally emerge (again, Cribbs, Thomas…) and start picking up actual TALENT.
Really? you are going to blame management NOW because 90% of savage’s later round picks can’t stay on an NFL team? thats just not fair. Geathers and Asante are very talented players. However, they are not fully developed to be on an NFL roster from day one in the management’s opinion. this is very common, as many later round picks get cut and then get put on the practice squad. if these guys seriously get cut and latch on to another team (instead of going onto our PS), then this may be something. however, this is a vast overreaction to something that happens EVERY YEAR
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Don’t think anyone’s ripping Holmgren here, just saying that we’ve had trouble finding talent in the later rounds with the frequency other teams seem to (although you guys are right – Vickers and Rubin were good late-round finds) and it doesn’t seem that this year’s draft is going to break that trend, with the cuts of Asante and Geathers
Don’t think anyone’s ripping Holmgren here
uhhh…I think you are. you directly question whether or not he has the same scouting department that mangini had and then go on a long diatribe about the problems with previous scouting departments. either it was an irrelevant rant, or yo WERE ripping on holmgren.
and it doesn’t seem that this year’s draft is going to break that trend, with the cuts of Asante and Geathers
ACTUALLY, I don’t see how these guys have not ‘broken the trend’. You are using the fact that guys picked very late in the draft didn’t make the team the first year and using it to implicate Holmgren as being ‘just like everyone before’.
-Lets just ignore the fact that NFL drafts they say should be objectively judged only after 3 years.
-Lets also ignore that generally, later round picks are less NFL ready than early round picks and also less talented, therefore less likely to make the team.
-Lets also ignore that only the really crappy teams keep all of their later round picks on their active roster.
-Also lets ignore the fact that the experts liked the pickups of Asante and many had Asante rated a little higher and both were considered later round ‘steals’ by some.
-Lets also ignore that we WERE able to keep asante and though we lost geathers, the fact that a team quickly picked by a well-run organization shows that he was a good pickup.
If we ignore all of that (pretty much, just the facts) then I guess I could see how you can implicate holmgren in such a way.
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I just saw the ravens cut troy smith. where are our “troy smith could lead the browns to the super bowl” advocates?
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG PICK UP TROY SMITH. SUPERBOWL!
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on Sep 4, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Without Colt McCoy I wouldn’t mind Smith on this roster.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 4, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well im off to madden and updating the roster :)
by lightninmcqueen on Sep 4, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Shocked about Francies, Geathers and Asante.
Only one I’m worried about not making it to P squad is Geathers, someone will want him for his size.
Awesome SR is off the PUP, looks like they were just keeping him out of Preseason play to keep him healthy.
Also kinda shocked that Leinart and Smith were just straight dumped. RFA really screwed over Smith.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
Exactly. Mr Rogers don’t need no steenkin preseason. Go Browns!
by CTBrownsFan on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Woah, someone is definitely running on a college clock haha.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
We had friends in our room kind of late last night even though I was ready to go to sleep at like 11 haha.
Why keep 4 TE's & 12 LB's???
I thought for sure either Robert Royal or Alex Smith would be cut why keep 4 TE’s?
12 LB’s?? Cut either David Veikune, Eric Barton or Titus Brown
Not Veikune.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 4, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Veikune? I like absolutely nothing aout that guy. What does he bring to the table?
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bitchin’ ponytail?
In all seriousness, cutting Veikune now doesn’t do us much good. If he still can’t get on the field this season, then I don’t mind him getting his walking papers.
I have my doubts about Veikune, but we can’t just poop can a second round pick after one year. We’re not the Broncos.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
recced for “poop can”
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Veikune has awesome physical skills (what I’ve read, haven’t seen him enough myself), which means given time he could be very, very good.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Plus, we can’t cut him now, Golan would have spent his money on his Veikune jersey for nothing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that’s how you look at it, there is about 70% of the college football population that are beasts physically. Sure he could come along, but IMO, I just don’t see it happening.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Every college player has awesome physical skills.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We talked about this above.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and absolutely no cuts at LB? Not even Barton or Bowens?
I feel a trade of some sort probably, if not, WTF? That means we have 3 FULL rotations of LBs, that’s ridiculous.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
there HAS to be something in the works… I just dont see us going into the season with 3 CBs and 12 LBs.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally unrelated – if there are any other fans out there – RIP Robert Schimmel
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Not a stern fan in the least but always sad to see someone die. And it happened right by where i used to live.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 4, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than his friendship and appearances, he really didn’t have anything to do with Stern. His stand up was incredible. The guy survived cancer twice, a heart attack, the death of one of his children and was awaiting a liver transplant – brought on from medical procedures. Somehow he remained positive – and funny as hell. Check out his stuff – I became a fan in the late 80’s.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
He was ok.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s that. See you around the league.
by BrettRatliffisBeast on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry Bro. This isn’t how I wanted our relationship to end, you were a good friend.
Being cut is so degrading, wish they would’ve at least traded you.
I am not TRSS.
by PeytonHillisIsBeast on Sep 4, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about you earlier TRSS. Welcome back. It’s been a while.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember TheRealSlimShady? He’s back… in Hillis form
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 4, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i know TRSS, and about the wagers and name changing and all of that, i just didn’t know who changed to what. so who is BRIB?
Just some dude, I think.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably TRSS though.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Awwwww, how’d you know it was me?
I am not TRSS.
by PeytonHillisIsBeast on Sep 4, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Your sig told me.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I seriously thought it would throw people off.
I am not TRSS.
by PeytonHillisIsBeast on Sep 5, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m smarter than the average Shady.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the lesson learned here is that there will be better players on waivers than jennings and brandon mcdonald. i’d say its likely that we add at least one DB via waivers. I’m unhappy to see Alex smith on the roster, I’d rather have 4 RB and let peyton hillis play some h-back. I’m kind of sorry to see bobby engram go. Titus brown, really? why on earth do we have twelve linebackers?
"Smokescreen."
Alex Smith>Chris Jennings
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Why are you so high on Alex Smith, I don’t understand what you see in him. I get the fact that you want a guy that can catch and block at equal levels to be a balanced TE, which he is. The problem is, both of those skills are equally subpar. Is there something I missed that would lead one to believe he is a valuable TE?
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is, both of those skills are equally subpar
…and Chris Jennings as a RB is a dime a dozen and his physical skills are subpar. he has average speed and isn’t that big. He doesn’t break a ton of tackles and may be about as good as he’s going to get (pedestrian backup RB)
I wouldn’t call Alex Smith’s skills ‘subpar’. He is about a league average starter at TE…like a Marcedes Lewis or Bo Scaife. Veterans who aren’t anything special but ‘par’ in every category.
I would say a 2nd tight end who can catch and block, even if he is only ‘par’ at both (or even a bit below par) is much more valuable than a 4th running back with marginal talent.
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except he wouldnt be our 2nd TE. At best he is 3rd behind Moore and Watson.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but the point is that Moore is not developed as a blocker yet. I like moore, but you can do much more out of a 2 TE set with Smith and Watson for the simple fact that Smith is a better blocker and therefore, it is harder for the D to predict what he will do.
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I think you are overstating Smith’s talent, looking at our other TE’s he’d be the 4th stringer IMO, and only situation-ally usable.
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by North Coast Flea on Sep 5, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
really? I disagree. He is maybe not a great NFL starter, but he would start for some teams. The only reason I see any reason to keep royal is blocking and I think in many situations, smith may play ahead of him.
I don’t think he is anything special, but he is a very servicable backup who can block or catch out of a 2 TE set…plus, he lined up some at fullback in the preseason and looked solid there blocking when I saw him.
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I don’t see how the Jennings point is relevant seeing as he didn’t make the 53 man roster.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you say smith should be cut and so did jaws. I pointed out in a very basic way that Smith has more value to this team. you made a comment directly disagreeing to my opinion on smith. the implication is that you don’t agree with the opinion that Smith>Jennings.
Scenario A: the jennings point is COMPLETELY relevant because you don’t agree with the opinion stated above.
Scenario B: you don’t think either one is that great and they both should be gone which makes your original comment here relevant.
Either the jennings point IS relevant, or your original comment isn’t. My original point is Smith vs. Jennings. you try to contribute a differing opinion from mine so unless you were just typing BS irrelevant stuff to my comment, jennings is totally relevant.
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yeah. I did. I don’t see how it falls under any of the bullets. You COULD stretch it to something I don’t like but the main point of that seems to be
Then don’t reply, plain and simple. If you have nothing to add to the football aspect of the discussion without insulting the original poster, then don’t say anything at all.
I am not at all insulting AG7. i am merely stating that if my comment about jennings is irrelevant, than his comment on Smith>Jennings is also irrelevant and his post that started this, started the whole conversation of irrelevance (which is maybe getting onto non-football talk)
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Looks like he can play some fullback/goal line
by HenryDawg on Sep 5, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did get in there a few times, but it looked more like an experimental thing. If we need another FB, Hillis would be better suited…as would almost any FB sitting in free agency. So if that is why he’s here, it doesn’t make much sense to me.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I saw a report somewhere that DL D. Robinson got cut, but I’m glad that’s not the case. The guy seemed to be all over the place. Maybe it was just against scrubs, but he seems to have a knack for being in the right place at the right time.
by Legoman0721 on Sep 5, 2010 12:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
There’s no way this is our final roster when we take the field against Tampa Bay. 100% no way in hell.
The idea of lining up against the Saints with just 3 true CBs is horrifying. Any one of their receivers will burn Mike Adams.
I’m thinking we drop around 3 LBs, add 1 corner, another running back (didn’t Ian Johnson get cut from the Vikings?), and one other position.
why would we add another RB? We have 3 guys to split carries as it is.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Ian Johnson, but I do not think we NEED another RB. we have 3 RBs right now, plus Cribbs who had 3-4 touches a game running the ball.
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It seems more and more like Mangini, like Romeo Crennel, isn’t high on Harrison. Why else would he trade for HIllis AND draft Hardesty? With Hardesty down and Harrison doing his best Adrian Peterson impression in preseason action, I just get the feeling Mangini’s going to watching the waiver wire for another tailback.
and then we have James Davis (who was a Mangini/fan favorite last preseason). Or did you forget about him?
by Justin Kowalczyk on Sep 5, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems more and more like Mangini, like Romeo Crennel, isn’t high on Harrison. Why else would he trade for HIllis AND draft Hardesty?
mangini DIDN’T trade for these guys, HOLMGREN did. Mangini is NOT making trades anymore. Holmgren is making the deals now. and these deals are not a symbol that holmgren wants to bench Harrison, it is a sign that he is thinking logical and realizing Harrison may not be able to play a full 16 game season like he did the last 5 games.
Harrison is nice and he has the ability to play well for 16 games, but why would Holmgren put his faith in one back? THAT is idiotic. he has his backup plans which were Hardesty, Hillis, Davis. Holmgren also got backup plans at other positions, (like CB, LB, QB, and OT).
Just because he didn’t give harrison the reins like he was chris johnson, doesn’t mean they don’t have faith…it just means they don’t have blind faith and blind trust, which I applaud them for. this certainly doesn’t mean they are scouting the waiver wire for another back.
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Dude, calm down. I wasn’t saying Harrison was going to be a feature back. Just that indications were that the Browns were aiming for 4 tailbacks on the roster, especially since neither Davis or Harrison are accomplished blockers. Until Hardesty got hurt, it was going to be Hardesty, Hillis, Harrison (in no particular order) with Davis & Jennings fighting for a 4th spot.
Now that Hardesty’s gone down, you seriously think Holmgren’s saying “oh well, I picked this kid and wanted 4 RBs, but I’m fine with 3 now…”
No. If someone good shows up on waivers, I bet we snatch him up.
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by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
and arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old child. one time you are proven wrong and you resort to ad hominems.
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No. If someone good shows up on waivers, I bet we snatch him up.
just because we took a Running Back in the draft? We have 3 RBs on our roster. Whose to say that James Davis makes the team if Hardesty doesn’t get injured? we do not have any knowledge of his roster security before the injury but we DO know that hardesty went down right before roster cuts which gave us room to put davis on the roster. We can argue hypotheticals of whether or not davis had a roster spot ‘locked up’ but all that is a matter of opinion. there is nowhere near a guarantee that we pick up a solid waiver wire guy.
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VEIKUNE...Seriously?
I can’t believe this guy still has job. I would have kept Francies or even that idiot McDonlad before Veikune. Do whatever it takes to bring in Hoosh-your-momma and cut Veikune’s sorry ass!
No thank you on all accounts. Veikune is coming along nicely.
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by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Totally agree. Not sure what these guys see that would make them think 1. Viekune has shown anything special or 2. We need another LB over an experienced, decent CB
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Considering Mangini’s history with the Jets and the Browns lack of corners, Reevis would sure look nice in an orange helmet! Geathers, Asante, Jennings and Francies on the practice squad! Billy Yates? Really???
by Life long Browns fan on Sep 5, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
I’m glad we kept Yates. He can play G and C, which allows us to keep another player somewhere else.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
According to @abeelam on Twitter, the Browns signed CB Quincy Butler.
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the first thing I noticed when I searched him was that he was old (he joined an NFL team at almost 25 as a rookie). He doesn’t seem like he has much upside at this point (since he is almost 29) but he seems decent. It sounds like he played decent for the rams and has good measurables (6’1’’ 190 and supposedly ran a 4.40 before he was drafted) and maybe has developed. Seems like a decent dime package player.
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Why MacDonald?! Did we forget that he is a ball hawk in the nickel packages?And then we keep Bowens who clearly showed that he is over the hill. Why?! Someone please tell me why?!
by G-funk on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully sarcasm on both accounts? Bowens was second in tackles and sacks last year, and may have looked a bit slow in preseason because it was his first action because he was hurt. McDonald and ball hawk are antonyms.
by AG7 on Sep 5, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Little bit down on the roster at this point. Looks like we will be adding a good 5-6 waiver wire additions to our roster. We still have a TE to cut, and 2-3 LBs, and need a full 2-3 corners, a safety, and OL. Not a good sign when your cuts don´t get picked up and you add this many from other teams. I do however think that both Ratty, and BMac may be picked up at some point. Actually think BMac should have made the team, he was a terrible starter, but not bad coverage skills for a 4th corner.
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I think OL’s fine b/c all of the backups can play multiple positions. I see the backups maybe coming in for a play or two, but never starting. If a starter went down, we IR that guy and pick up someone else. So I’m fine with 8.
REALLY don’t think we need another safety unless our special teams gunners start lacking. Totally agree on adding a corner or two.
we don’t NEED to cut a TE. there is nothing wrong with keeping the ones we have (though I would like to get rid of royal). I do think there are LBs that need to be cut. We should be fine with 5 safeties, especially if Asante makes it onto the PS.
I don’t think Ratty will sign on anywhere but I think BMac will, though i don’t think BMac is that good.
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Didn´t know you could do that – thought you had to take them on your active roster. Anyway, feel worse about the Don Carey nab than this one. Not to bring up a sore subject.
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good for them. He is one of those guys that earns a PS spot because of the fact that he spent time on an NFL roster and was active for games. I guess I more meant like “I don’t think he is worth signing, but a team will take a flier b/c he has been on an active roster before and has some physical skills”.
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Did mooncampings cousin come up with this roster?
Can’t wait to see how the nickel linebacker works out.
At least this isn’t a passing league.
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What do you mean the nickel linebacker? We typically use a lot of linebackers when we are in nickel.
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by North Coast Flea on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I got a bad feeling that we will end up regretting that decision.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We might, but as it stands I don’t think we will.
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by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
Some interesting options out there – here are some CBs under 27 that have a few skins on the wall.
1. CB, Chevis Jackson, 24, and has actually played in 31 games. Cut by Falcons.
2. S, Al Alflava, 23, started 13 games for Bears last year. Cut by Bears
3. Quentin Demps, 25, played 25 games for Heckert´s Eagles
4. Macho Harris, 24 (great name for safety) started 8 games and had 41 tackles as a rookie for Heckert´s Eagles.
5. Previously mentioned Quincy Butler, 26, still hope he signs, had 7 starts for Rams and intercept vs. Browns in preseason.
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Off that list, the only one I’d take is Jackson. Demps & Harris were eaten alive by the Cowboys in back to back weeks last year and they were lining up against Patrick Crayton & Sam Hurd. No starters.
Jackson’s a slightly better version of Brandon McDonald. Never EVER start this guy against any #1 or #2 WRs, but he’s a fine dime back and, unlike B-Mac, he knows how to tackle.
BTW – loved the Asante cut. Not because I have an opinion on him, but because Heckert cut him and did not just give a pass to everyone he drafted.
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I think if you actually looked at the number of mid-to-late round picks that get cut in their first year, you’d be surprised:
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