Mangini's Monday Presser: Rogers' Return, Player Versatility
Cleveland Browns head coach Eric Mangini spoke to the media Monday morning regarding the roster cuts and the health of certain players on the team. Here are some highlights from the press conference [click here for the full transcript]:
Shaun Rogers and His Spot on the D-Line
(On if Shaun Rogers is going to practice and if he is going to play on Sunday) -- "Yes, he is going to practice some today and it will increase a little bit more as the week goes on. I can see him playing on Sunday.
(On where Shaun Rogers will be practicing) -- "He’s going to be practicing in his core spots which is nose tackle, and then he will also work some of the other spots. There is a designated amount of reps that we have for him some it may be package specific that he will work on initially and again as the week goes on he will be able to do more and more so we will be able to do more and more. I think as the weeks go on that could continue to expand."
(On if Rogers has had any contact and how they are going to prepare him for Sunday) -- "On PUP you are not able to able to do that. He will get a little bit of that today. You’ll increase it during the week. I think some other teams are facing the same thing where you get a guy back at this point. Now the advantage they have is with an older guy and more experienced guy, there’s less of a learning curve there than a younger guy."
(On Ahtyba Rubin’s development and if Rogers will play defensive end) -- "Rubin has earned the right to play and Rubin will play. He has done an exceptional job. I really have enjoyed watching his growth just with my time here and seeing him develop not just as a player but as a pro. He’s earned the right to play so that’s a good thing because Shaun does have the ability to play nose tackle, he has the ability to play defensive end. To be able to mix guys in at different spots it gives you depth, it gives you a chance to spell people during the course of a game and it also gives you some versatility in terms of matchups that you want against your opponents’ offensive linemen. I think Rubin’s development, growth and progress have been a real positive in terms of the flexibility that it gives us defensively."
Comments - It's very encouraging to hear that Rogers will probably be playing this Sunday against the Buccaneers. In the off chance that we can't win very many games against the contenders this season, we need to be at our best against the lower competition. Rogers will help generate a pass rush up front that we've been lacking, and keeping Rubin at nose tackle is something we've discussed here throughout the offseason. By the way, Rogers was indeed on the practice field Monday, according to reports.
Jerome Harrison's Increased Workload
(On if Harrison took Montario Hardesty’s injury as a challenge to step up and carry the load) -- "I never got the sense from Jerome that the things that he was going to do were going to be dependent on somebody else. You don’t ever want that. You don’t want someone saying, ‘Okay because he’s doing X, I’m going to do Y. I’m going to do this because it’s right for me.’ I get that sense form Jerome. He has certain goals, he has certain things that he wants to achieve. I’m talking about growth and development. It wasn’t based on Montario being here, it wasn’t based on anybody being here. It was based on what he wanted to do for him. That’s, I think, a very healthy approach."
(On if he talked to Harrison about what he expects from him going into the season) -- "I haven’t really had that individual sit down this year. Jerome and I talk all of the time, it’s not a function of having one sort of landmark meeting. I like to think in squad meetings and things like that, we get a sense of where we are coming from. I’m always open to talking to any of the guys at any point. He understands the things that he has to do and he understands the great opportunity that he has in front of him. I expect him to seize that opportunity like he did last year and run with it."
Comments - I think we'll see Harrison get a decent workload per game, which would be around 20 carries. If the Browns utilize Peyton Hillis and the passing game, that would be the reason that he doesn't reach the 30-carry mark. It'll be interesting to see if James Davis gets worked into the lineup at all. Right now, I'm just expecting it to be Harrison and Hillis, with Davis maybe getting a touch or two if Harrison just broke a 30+ yard run shy of a touchdown or something.
Roster Versatility at Tight End, Linebacker, and Cornerback
(On the abundance of linebackers) -- "I think there’s going to be different combinations with those guys and it’s a balancing act between special teams and the packages and making sure that you’ve got enough of both to do what you’d like to do. Typically with us, a lot of linebackers play on third down as defensive line types. Most of our outside linebackers are the same size as your average 4-3 defensive end. Those guys are around 270 lbs, our guys are around 255-260 lbs so there’s not a big variation between a 4-3 end and a 3-4 outside linebacker on average, give or take five pounds."
(On what Michael Adams’ role will be as the fourth corner) -- "Mike actually started quite a few games for us last year at the corner position and he plays a lot of corner type roles whether it be the inside slot player or the star player for us. He has started outside, he’s started inside and he played safety and that’s a really good thing. It allows us to do some different things with him that you may not be able to do with some other players, one of the things I really like about him, and you are always looking to build within the system."
(On what went into the decision to keep four tight ends) -- "I thought that Alex (Smith) had a really good camp. What I liked about him is no matter what we asked him to do, he did it pretty well. We asked him to play fullback in the backfield, he did that pretty well. We asked him to be the in-line tight end, he did that pretty well. We asked him to be the off the line tight end, he did that pretty well. He created a role for himself in the fact that he can play multiple roles, so that was really the thought process."
Comments - I'm still amazed that we have 12 linebackers on the roster. I was trying to think of eight inactive players we would have on gameday, and I came up with:
- Colt McCoy
- Carlton Mitchell
- Derreck Robinson
- D'Qwell Jackson (injury)
- Alex Smith
- Titus Brown
- David Veikune
Those are seven likely ones I came up with, which puts the in-game linebacker count at 9. One more player needs to be inactive, and I'm guessing that'd either be a linebacker or a safety -- perhaps Sorensen is he still has concussion problems.
Other things that Mangini mentioned are that John St. Clair is practicing again, Floyd Womack may be back Wednesday, and he really likes the progress that Brian Robiskie made this year.
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we better have a pass rush against Tampa Bay, or I’m going to be pissed.
by discoinferno083 on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
With Freeman’s mobility, I’m more concerned about gap integrity. There’s nothing I hate more than an opposing quarterback legging out a first down because our guys aren’t where they’re supposed to be.
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I think this will be an issue if/when we go to Man-2. Not so worried about it otherwise.
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But isn’t that a very common base for Ryan? I seem to remember a couple ridiculous scrambles breaking us on third-and-medium when playing man-under.
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Carson Palmer (mobile quarterback that he is) got a number of cheap first downs on us last year (one of which cost us a win).
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It is one of our main coverages when we are in 3rd and long. In those situations, the pass defenders need to recognize earlier that a scramble is going to happen.
Also, specifically in that situation the pass rushers need to maintain their gaps especially well, as Golan noted. In other defenses we don’t have to worry so much because there will be people with their eyes on the QB or a ton of rushers coming at him, so the edge rushers can get a little more aggressive with rushing up the field and things like that.
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San Diego got Patrick Crayton for a 7th round pick in 2011. Wonder if the Browns were interested in him.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Sep 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
The Browns may not have had a chance to even talk about him with Dallas. If I were Dallas and had an extra receiver, the first team I would call would be San Diego. I suspect this deal took exactly one phone call to complete.
So often people assume that because some deal got done between two teams that are not the Browns that the Browns should have been in on the discussions or had the same chance to make a deal. It’s a fallacy. GMs know where the deals are to be made. Were the Browns in regular touch with Dallas – most likely. Were they in touch with Dallas when there was a deal to be made? Possibly, but most likely not. And that’s probably not Heckert’s fault.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
Rogers = situational pass rusher it looks like. though i’m more concerned about only having 4 CB’s on the roster….Mike Adams versatility may be the reason why they are going short. That or they plan on bringing back McDonald after Wk 1 so they dont have to guarantee his contract.
McDonald is a Cardinal.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shaun Rogers is the best nose guard in the NFL. Period.
Treat him like it, or give some other team a chance at him.
If we do keep him, it´s Robaire and Ahtyba at the outside 3-4 defensive tackle slots, whether that looks like a proportionally sound line-up or not.
Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata, Casey Hampton, Jay Ratliff are better than Shaun Rogers. CLE is better off making him a 3-4 DE & just letting him tee off on the QB as long as a savvy OLB is behind him to ensure that he doesnt overpursue on run plays.
Agreed. I think Rogers might actually like playing there a little better. He would absolutely own outside run plays and would be able to get to the QB a bit easier, IMO.
by AG7 on Sep 8, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am seriously resisting the “seriously!?” answer here.
Ngata plays DE for the Ravens, or their 3 tech tackle, usually not their NT or 1tech. Different responsibilities.
Jay Ratliff comes nowhere close to Rogers.
Hampton is arguable, I suppose.
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I also don’t think Wilfork is better.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
He’s not.
I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.
LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 8, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogers is the best NT in the NFL.
Bar none.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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Shaun’s job in our scheme is to clog the running lanes, while he would rather go for the QB, making him a better fit at DE and Rubin a better fit at NT.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Sep 8, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you all may have a point, that Shaun Rogers has the potential to be so disruptive that he unbalances the line, it seems natural for him to go for the quarterback once he breaks through and discerns it´s not a run. That´s the problem I think. Can he do what Ahtyba does, that is not breach the line of scrimmage and instead dominate along the line of scrimmage? I´m absolutely certain that he can. If it is shown that he can do anything Ahtyba can do better, then you have to realize the added benefit of a guy that can actually pressure a quarterback through the middle if need be, a rare feat to be accomplished in any case.
Now Ahtyba Rubin seems predestined for nose guard because he has the classic physique. Short legs, long arms, bulky on a stout frame. Now the thinking probably is that that physique predisposes him to have to play nose guard. My challenge however is that in a 3-4 that is asked to control the run and the line of scrimmage in general within the offensive tackles only, he can do it. Once again, how you play it gets you who plays it. Can he edge rush? Well, no. But does he even have to? Well, not necessarily. If spared the outside containment duties and pass rush responsibilities, which I propose, to be more dominant on the line of scrimmage, and task the linebackers and defensive backs more thoroughly against the run, a nose guard type of guy at the 3-4 end position could prove very successful.
Is it just me, or does this make a lot of sense?
Intriguing, moon.
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Maybe at some level. You need your DEs to be able to put some pressure on the passer in a 3-4. You also need to contain the run in every defense everywhere on the field, not just between the tackles. You also do very much want to “breach” the LoS as a defender in the 3-4, you just don’t want to shoot so far up the field against the run that you miss the guy, but that goes for 4-3 defenses too.
It is easier to put a guy who lacks quickness and pass rushing moves at NT to rush the passer, because he can still be effective by either drawing a double team or pushing the C right back up into the pocket and collapsing it. It is much easier to deal with that kind of guy at a 4-7 technique.
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