NFL Divisional Playoffs (Sunday): Game Threads
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 16, 2011 10:48 AM EST
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PrintAs much as we hate both teams, it is remarkable how closely contested and tense every Ravens vs. Steelers game turns out to be. Baltimore's 21-7 start to the game was shocking, but Pittsburgh's 24-3 advantage in the second half wasn't so surprising. I had visions of the Steelers rallying in the 2001-2002 playoffs to beat Kelly Holcomb and the Cleveland Browns. Only this time, T.J. Houshmandzadeh acted as a substitute for Dennis Northcutt. Seriously, though, the turning point in the game was Ray Rice's fumble to give all of the momentum to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Even though I picked the Falcons to win in the second game, I had no problems with the Packers winning. Green Bay was the team I initially hoped would come away with the victory, but I changed my mind at the last second because of how consistent the Falcons had been during the regular season. They fell apart in the playoffs, from not being able to take down Aaron Rodgers with the pass rush to Matt Ryan throwing uncharacteristic interceptions to cost his team dearly.
Let's get to the preview of today's games.
Seattle Seahawks vs. Chicago Bears
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Game: Seattle Seahawks vs. Chicago Bears
Date/Time: Sunday, January 16, 2010 at 1:00 p.m. EST
Local Television: WJW/FOX, Channel 8 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston, and Tony Siragusa
If fans out there are rooting for the underdog, then Seattle is your team to root for. I'm sure they gained a lot of supporters following their unbelievable performance last week at home, and all eyes will be on Marshawn Lynch today to see if he can resurrect his "beast mode" style of running. Seattle remains a dangerous team though because everyone still expects Chicago to win. Seattle also beat Chicago in Chicago earlier this season, so it is up to Jay Cutler and the Bears to get their act together this time around. Whereas the Saints failed to get pressure last week or play tight coverage, that won't be the case this week. Brian Urlacher and Julius Peppers will pressure Matt Hasselbeck, and I doubt he'll match his career day from a week ago. Cutler has to have a mistake-free game too. My Pick: Bears win 23-20.
New York Jets vs. New England Patriots
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Game: New York Jets vs. New England Patriots
Date/Time: Sunday, January 16, 2010 at 4:30 p.m. EST
Local Television: WOIO/CBS, Channel 19 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Jim Nantz & Phil Simms
The first time around, the Jets came away victorious. The second time around, which wasn't too long ago, the Patriots just destroyed the Jets. Tom Brady is playing the best football of his career, and ever since New England's loss to Cleveland (Yay!), they have been unstoppable. When the Jets were blown out, they had just lost safety Jim Leonhard to injury and were picked apart in the secondary. They have had time to make adjustments and have gotten better since then, as seen last week when they were able to hold Peyton Manning in check. I hope this game is closely contested, but Brady and company will prevail again. My Pick: Patriots win 28-20.
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I hope the Patriots win it all.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I hope they beat the Jets, but I’m rooting for the Packers to win it all.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
This.
I’m only rooting for the Patriots today because I think they have the best chance to beat the Steelers next week.
Not the only reason for me but I agree they have the best chance to beat them.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Rodgers is going to be a great one.
I predicted in another thread yesterday that the Packers would route the Falcons.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
(here’s my prediction, for the record – actually it was from a few days ago ;)
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like money. You must bepsychotic!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
bepsychotic
be psychotic bepsychotic
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean psychic.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he’s read a couple of my rants.
The psychic psychotic – now there’s a scary thought.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
You too?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
damn it, never mind.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He probably knows the difference. But, what difference would that make?
Suppose everyone thought the same way you do.
by YossarianLives_InCleveland on Jan 16, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I felt horrible but I was actually “rooting” (in the loosest sense of the word) for the Steelers yesterday. Out of the teams left in the AFC they are the only ones I respect despite my hatred for them.
I hope whoever comes out of the NFC wins the SB, but the Steelers are sadly the lesser of 4 evils that were left before yesterday in the AFC.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
Why the steelers over the ravens? the steelers seem like the dirtier team to me with just as many scumbags.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can not cheer for the team that used to be ours to succeed. I atleast respect the way the Steelers organization is run, and when the Browns were stolen from us they were the loudest franchise/fan base to stick up for us.
I still hate them with a passion, but I can handle Steeler fans/the team more so then Jet, Patriot, or Ravens.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
There must not be very many Steelers fans where you live, then.
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
by woodsmeister on Jan 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly Cleveland is full of them right now. And thats where I live, right by the Cleveland/Fairview Park border
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
It makes it easier that modell has virtually nothing to do with the franchise anymore. once he gives up his “consultant” job (merely just a title) and his 1% share, it will make this kind of decision easier.
There are several reasons to hate the steelers
a) their fans are much more annoying than ravens fans
b) they play dirty
c) they get the benefit of a ridiculous number of calls it seems like.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
If the Pats win it all, at least we can point to our game this season and say we kicked their asses.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
and deal with the most annoying fan base in the country outside of New York. No thanks.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I see Pats fans in Cleveland about as often as I see unicorns. Steelers fans on the other hand are all over the place.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 16, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. I see bandwagon Pats fans all the time. Especially around playoff time. I can handle Pitt fans being smug, they are rivals to us and its expected with how awful we have been the past decade, I can not stand Bostonians and their arrogant bandwagon that follows them around when they win.
Are there lots of Steeler fans in Cleveland? Yes sadly, it seems it happened right when the team left and the Steelers began winning.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you. I don’t like arrogant fans, regardless of who they root for. I guess we just go different places because I rarely run into Patriots fans.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 16, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I guess so haha. I was at the Pats game this year and the amount of Brady/Welker/Moss jerseys I saw made me sick. The amount of shat they talked before the game was insane, and the silence as they left the stadium was golden.
by Justin Kowalczyk on Jan 16, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I’m jealous. I was at the Steeler’s game this year. Needless to say, we had very different experiences.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 16, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Took my Browns jersey to the bar yesterday. I was making a statement. Was hard to pick a side you’d want to “win”, but I went with Baltimore because the refs again helped the Steelers out.
I too has flashbacks to that 01-02 game we almost won. That was my second season watching Browns football.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Going to be a long day for Seattle.
I like the Bears, but not a fan of Cutler. He’s a world class Ahole.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone think Cutler’s such an asshole? Is it just because he’s prickly with the media?
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jan 16, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people don’t like how he forced his way out of Denver, but if the events after that are any indication, I think it’s fair to say McDaniels was the asshole.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Couple of excerpts of an ESPN article on Cutler:
Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn’t looking at Lynch. He was texting.
“Man, I’m trying to talk to you!” Lynch protested.
Didn’t help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler’s hands, smashing it to the floor.
He listened after that.
Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?I’ve seen a couple of interviews with him and heard other anecdotes about his attitude and personality. Personally, I just think he’s always comes across as an immature, arrogant jerk.
Cutler: I threw the ball.
Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.
Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.
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Reporter: When you were a kid, which quarterback did you look up to?
Cutler: Nobody.
Reporter: Nobody? You didn’t look up to anybody?
Cutler: No.
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Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember, Jeff George? Same thing.
Suppose everyone thought the same way you do.
by YossarianLives_InCleveland on Jan 16, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
The first anecdote you posted does make him sound like a douchebag. The second? I could care less if he refuses to play the media’s little games.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jan 16, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
From the same article
What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn’t care who understands him and who doesn’t. He’s a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jan 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I know – saw that and good for him. Like I said, its just my opinion.
He’s certainly no menace to society. I just don’t like his personality and think he’s immature and arrogant.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a fair assessment
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jan 16, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Few people care at all. No need to care if the leader of you team is a jerk, really.
Winning is all that matters.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
When has Rivers won anything?
Far as I can tell, his teams choke in the playoffs every year.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
True.
(I forgot the ‘/sarc’ qualifier BTW)
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t trust that first anecdote as far as I can throw it, and since it’s an anecdote I can’t really throw it at all.
There are a million details missing and explanations for that. Maybe Cutler didn’t hear him. Maybe Cutler was in the middle of a text when lynch started talking, making lynch the ass.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Could be. But it is consistent with stories I’ve heard from various sources / articles, etc. I’ve read and with what I’ve seen from him in interviews over the years.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Like other people, I don’t care how he is with the media, they aren’t on his side. They would love nothing more than for him to screw up, why pretend to be friends?
as far as stories of him being an ass, wasn’t that the original point of your post up there? what have you read that I haven’t?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind. I’d really rather not go digging for dirt.
Suffice to say I’m not fond of Cutler. It shouldn’t matter to anyone else and I don’t ask anyone else to hold the same opinion.
I’ll go a step further and say if his team is the one facing the [Jets or Steelers] in the SB I’ll be pulling for him. In fact if the Bears go up against the [Jets or Steelers] I’ll probably yell his name out loud the first time he throws one of his howitzer shells for a TD.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I don’t really care whether you like him or not. I just don’t think it’s fair of people to call him an ass or a crybaby without reason.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m happy for Cutler. He was everyone’s punching bag with the Denver ordeal. “He’s a baby” or “Whined his way out of Denever”.
I’m guessing no one thinks that the Bronco’s still got the better part of the Cutler deal now.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
He’s still a baby and an ass.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
[citation needed]
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you. I like Cutler a lot, and would have loved him on the Browns pre-McCoy (heck, I might still take him). I think he got treated unfairly coming out of Denver because the media doesn’t like him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I would not want him and Chris would agree.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just know he’s another here who was glad we were not in the Cutler running.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure it wasn’t because of interception issues? I’m willing to take the risk with the reward there, maybe Chris isn’t.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
No, Chris legitimately said he never saw anything special in Cutler and neither do I.
Pretty sure this is his first winning season and first post season since senior year of High School. Overrated.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t judge individuals on team accomplishments.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a big problem though when he’s supposed to be this awesome QB right? Awesome QBs can do anything with an average team and even average coaches in some aspects. Cutler hasn’t done anything until now. And even then, he looked like shit at certain times this year.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think the impact of the QB is over stated. It’s far and away the most important position on the field, but even Robo-Manning himself would have struggled with the Browns this season.
Cutler has no offensive line. He was sacked 52(!) times this season and still had one of the best statistical seasons of his career. Jay Cutler is the Bears offense.
I also never said Cutler was any kind of elite QB. I said he wasn’t an ass, which is the assertion you made and still haven’t backed up. I said I liked him, and implied that he was pretty good, not that he was Manning or Brady good.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
You said you’d take him now over McCoy and would’ve taken him before. I mean, that;s kind of stating you think he’s a good QB, and I don’t know your level to Elite but…
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I said I liked him, and implied that he was pretty good
yes, I said he was good.
Also, Colt McCoy is promising, but he is not a good NFL QB yet.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean to make Colt to be that, my bad. I wrote that wrong.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 17, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
this is a game where the position of QB is judged by team accomplishments. the QB is the position that clearly has the most overall impact on a Win or a Loss.
Only 3 teams in the top half of the NFL in QB rating finished with a losing record, and only 3 teams (not the exact same ones) had a losing record and were in the top 16 passing DVOA.
Conversely, 6 teams were in the top 16 DVOA rushing the ball and had a losing record.
Also, 5 teams were top 16 in Defensive DVOA and finished with a losing record (6 going into week 16; we finished 17th).
Lastly, 9 teams that finished with the top 16 DVOA on ST had a losing record.
Now, just going by how likely the elite teams in a certain category fare on a W/L basis, I would say you are best off with an elite passing game.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That’s very interesting. Therefore, we will never have an elite passing game because we never have a winning record.
Got it.
(…can somebody translate what he just said?)
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 17, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
very simple. The teams that have elite (or at least good) passing attacks greatly improve their chances of being a successful team and that in this era of football, the teams with the best passing attacks generally give themselves a good chance to win week in and week out.
the most important position on the field is the QB, therefore the QB CLEARLY has the biggest impact on wins/losses when compared to any other of the 21 positions.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
again, that doesn’t really counter my point. So much goes into the passing game that it is not smart to pin it all on one guy. For instance, our lack of WR threats and historically awful right tackle are largely to blame for McCoy’s sub-par performance (we hope). Arkansas’ dropped passes made Ryan Mallet look bad in the sugar bowl.
There are just too many variables to judge an individual using team accomplishments.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Going into these playoffs, Aaron Rodgers was 0-1 in the playoffs.
In that game, Aaron Rodgers was 28-42, 423 yards, 4 TD’s, 1 INT
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
you are right. However the QB is the most able to carry the passing game by himeslf. Look at what rivers did again this year. His O-line underachieved this year and all his WRs got hurt.
No question there are more players involved, but a QB by far makes the most impact in the passing game, in a passing league.
That is merely what I meant. Not that the QB IS the Passing offense, but the QB as a position is the position most capable of carrying a team
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I don’t really see this as a counter-point. I never disagreed with anything you said here. I just don’t think this:
this is a game where the position of QB is judged by team accomplishments.is fair.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
it may not be fair, but it is how the league works. When guys go into the HOF, do they consider how many Championships a QB has won? Certainly. There are guys out there who put up similar numbers to HOF QBs but are not in because they never won the championship.
It may not be fair, but it is how the QBs in this league are judged. Sometimes, you have to be like phillip rivers or Brees (Pre-SB) and put up elite numbers several consecutive years to be considered an elite QB when others become one by very good numbers but winning championships (early Tom brady)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think what NTN is saying, is that only idiots think W-L record says anything about QB play.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
thank you.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
and Chris would agree
It’s funny how often you tell everyone that “insert name here” agrees with you.
by StuckInPa on Jan 17, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Quite. Usually it’s Dorn, Rufio or Chris though. Basically the people no one disagrees with. I don’t just try to throw them in there, though.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 17, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I never agree with you. You are always wrong.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jan 17, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Golan does not like Sperm…er.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I ain’t afraid of those guys! Bring ’em on!
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 17, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
people are saying that the bears got the good end of the deal, but if McDaniels didn’t bungle away the draft picks… Denver has gotten pretty decent quarterback play out of Kyle Orton.
"Smokescreen."
I wondered how far down I’d have to read to see this. Well said Jaws.
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 17, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Orton will ever repeat what he did this season.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Orton was so good his team drafted his replacement.
I bet you Denver drafts at least one more first round Quarterback before Cutler leaves the Bears. Two first round draft picks are a minor price to pay when you get the franchise Quarterback.
The Broncos were stupid, and the Bears got a steal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. McDaniels got all hot and bothered by tebow when he just as easily could have used that draft pick intelligently for his franchise. He had a quarterback but he couldnt resist bringing in two more for whatever reason. We all know the brady quinn trade was just idiotic. However, as you know I’m a believer in Tebow and I think he has enough talent to be a darn good quarterback in the NFL.
Aside from that, I don’t see the bears winning the super bowl with Jay Cutler anyway.
"Smokescreen."
Anyway you slice it, the Bronco’s have acquired 3 quarterbacks since Jay Cutler.
The Bears are in the NFC Championship game, and the Bronco’s are picking in the top 5. You need a QB in this league and the Bronco’s gave theirs away.
Aside from that, I don’t see the bears winning the super bowl with Jay Cutler anyway.
With no offensive line, no decent wide receivers and so-so running game, he has them in the NFC Championship game. They are sooooo much closer than the Bronco’s.
Bears would probably give them two more first rounders as well as this has worked out for them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll see how they do going forward. They payed a boatload of brinks trucks for Juleus Peppers and it is unlikely that he actually lives up to the money they give him.
If they don’t win the super bowl this year and then have another inconsistent down year next year where cutler throws 20 picks They won’t be too happy.
Fact of the matter is that the Bears have grown a lot during the season on the offensive line. That was their weakness in the early going and last year but it seems to have been sorted out. If the packers expose that offensive line in the NFC championship and it sort of implodes going forward… well then they could have whoever they want playing quarterback, you can’t pass the football from the prone position.
Meanwhile the broncos might have had one of the worst records in the league this year, but I would argue that was primarily because of other personnel decisions McDaniels made a whole lot more than the cutler trade. Particularly the Brady Quinn / Peyton Hillis trade and trading up to draft Tebow when your team really isn’t hurting at quarterback.
In other words: I would call the Cutler and Brandon Marshall trades very good. (two first round picks and two second round picks) McDaniels was able to get a ton of draft picks (that he proceeded to squander) for Uppity self-centered players who he didn’t see fitting into his team. Moreover he was able to replace their production with cast-offs like Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd. I gotta say McDaniels made the right move on both of those guys.
Aside from those deals, however McDaniels ran some pretty good players and coaches out of town (Tony Scheffler, Peyton Hillis, Mike Nolan) Had some injury trouble (Ryan Clady, Elvis Dumervil) and drafted poorly (Demaryius Thomas over Dez Bryant… Tebow probably wasn’t a good first round gamble for denver since they really weren’t desperate for a quarterback.)
"Smokescreen."
Even so, the 2009 draft ended up sucking.
And even with draft picks, its about executing with them. Not only did they fail to execute, but the draft assets they traded away all seemed to turn out draft steals, such as mike Wallace, Hernandez, and Knox.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Denver should have gotten the better of that deal. BUt McDaniels being McDaniels, the picks they got in return for Cutler were pissed away.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jan 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s sooooo amazing how impressive building that stage! AMAZNG.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Me too, but another part of me wants to see the Jets get their asses handed to them (again).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
How in the world did Seattle beat New Orleans?
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
Saints D didn’t show up.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t watch? It was all Colt McCoy – he beat them single-handedly.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I did see the highlight of him returning those two INTs for a TD! He even went through the trouble of changing his jersey! That’s commitment.
His finest hour for sure.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle is really good a home
their point differential was -97 on the season which was 28th in the NFL. However, their home point differential was +3 (so +6 over 16 games) which would be 17th in the league. They also had a much tougher home schedule than road schedule, having to face 3 playoff teams and 2 good teams that were close to making the playoffs (as opposed to 2 and 1 respectively in those categories on the road). If FO did a DVOA ranking with splits for home and away, I bet seattle would be close to being top 10 in DVOA at home.
They also already played New Orleans and its hard to beat a team twice, especially at home when that team is so good there like Seattle.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I take it Seattle is losing? Anyone care to post the score?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Well V, it appears our little commentary on Seattle’s woes offended some delicate sensibilities.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
35-24
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
like there wasn’t another way to punish him without potentially hurting his team…nice
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
If a playoff game isn’t going to kick off until 4:40, why not say that?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
so we can all watch more commercials and/or inane commentary, I guess.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 16, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
It’s so hard to tell when a field goal is over the goal posts. To this day I still believe that the alleged field goal kicked by Rich Karlis in “The Drive” game to win the ballgame was wide.
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
Makes Jim Caldwell’s decision last week even more laughable.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 16, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I really think Caldwell’s timeout has to go into the annals of “dumb as shit coaching decisions.” I mean, it’s top 5 all-time.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Jan 16, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
It’s gotta be up there.
It was a complete disaster.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Went out for a pizza, what have I missed in the Pats game?
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
I’ve had a coule of random posts disappear today. The whole site seems extra glitchy today.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Wow, that’s weird.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I had a few posts disappear as well – on this thread. I just figured they got censored (although I thought they were pretty harmless).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, a lot obviously did. Be it accidental or otherwise.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
The SB*Nation network appeard to experience some kind of momentary interuption this afternoon. Maybe it was related to your posts MIA.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
“Sorry Sports Fans! Our Servers Just Shit the Bed!”
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Jan 17, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Glad to see I wasnt the only one thinking braylon ran the wrong route
by Villeslgr on Jan 16, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He then played defense on a perfectly thrown ball to Holmes.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, maybe that was the trick, put him on d
by Villeslgr on Jan 16, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Come on Patriots, let’s get it together in the second half here.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
I say the same but maybe credit is due? He certainly isnt spectacular but he is winning.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 16, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
If this score holds I can’t think of an AFC Championship game between two more loathsome teams.
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 16, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the Patriots more than I hate the Jets. Much more. But I still hate the Jets a lot.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I just want which ever team is more likely to knock off Pittsburgh.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I cant root for Braylon. Even against Pittsburgh.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 16, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Time to root for the meteor?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
That would be acceptable as well.
Never underestimate the powers of Mike Holmgren.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 16, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can, and will. Braylon is one a**hole; Pitt is an entire team of same.
Never underestimate the powers of Mike Holmgren.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 16, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t root for Braylon either. But I can pull for the Jets to knock off Pitt without rooting for Braylon.
In the same sense, I cannot root for Clay Matthews, but I can still hope the Packers to win it all.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
steroids?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Well this is a nice drive by claim on the NFL.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s a bash on USC.
Your friendly neighborhood Mangini apologist.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 16, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well said. You have a way with words, brother.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Worry thee not. Good shall prevail in the end.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I see how it is. Everyone IMMEDIATELY gets it when johnny pulls out the reference… I tells ya, one of these days…
"Quote goes here."
I got it when you did
/fistbump
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
done.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions
Here we are on the precipice of our most recent coach’s team beating our old coach who won 3 superbowls. That’s disgusting.
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions
Go Packers.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
Go pack….didn’t Aaron look like a surgeon?
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron is a surgeon.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I hope to see him holding aloft the Lombardi trophy this year.
Never underestimate the powers of Mike Holmgren.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 16, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Makes two of us.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Once and always. This makes it even harder. Go Packers!
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wow – where have those Pats been all day?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions
bag
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Packers v. [douchebags] = Packers > SB winners.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I suddenly find myself not liking either AFC team.
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions
Suddenly?!?
You should have hated them all after last week.
Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Patriots, Jets… ehhhhh
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
You forgot i’m sarcastic.
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though, I saw the Pats coming a mile away. The Jets shorted me. I figured Patriots the AFC champ. A friend of mine said today, and I quote, “The Jets are the only team that can beat Pittsburgh and they will win today”. I thought he was nuts but I hope he’s right. He was 1/2 right already.
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Never liked any of them from the start
by Villeslgr on Jan 16, 2011 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say we blow their f*cking houses up.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 16, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
No time for the ol’ in-out, love. I’ve just come to read the meter!
Suppose everyone thought the same way you do.
by YossarianLives_InCleveland on Jan 16, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the fold. Just create a little leak at the meter and…….
I like to fly under the radar and stir it up.
by 489favegame stat on Jan 16, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Since the Jets advanced, I am starting to panic that the Steelers are going to win. I am not convinced that the remaining teams can stop them.
Adam Foote still blows!
One word: Packers
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 16, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind watching Green Bay publicly humiliate the Steelers in front of a world audience. But they really need to use the belt on ’em.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 16, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone has the D to stop the Steelers’ passing attack I would think it would be the Jets.
Your friendly neighborhood Mangini apologist.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’m so glad the Jets won. I don’t care if Braylon Edwards is there, getting pissed over a number two WR isn’t worth my anger anymore. I like Mangold, Holmes, Revis and Rex Ryan. I can’t believe anyone would want the Pats.
I hope the Jets smash the Steelers, and lose to the Packers.
Go Pack.
This is now the best case senerio. But the Jets suck. They don’t deserve success. They’re team of smoke and mirrors that gets lucky enough to perpetuate the idea that they are goo dna dhave a good QB. When they show their true cards and suck however, everyone kinda questions it but lets them off the hook when Mr. Foot makes a Pats joke. Hate them, hate their players, hate their fake success and can’t wait to see them get destroyed by the Pack.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the Pats over the Jets too, but why do like the Holmes?!
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Because he has talent you need to take a chance on. Like JaMarcus, or Haynesworth… haha.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Who is that? No man ever named Holmes played for the Bucks. I think a former Steeler douchebag did but his name escapes me…
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
No need to get mad at a guy cuz he played for the steelers. Yeah I hate the steelers as much as the next guy but darn it do I respect them. If only the walrus would smarten up and raid their coaching staff for his next D coord.
"Smokescreen."
If only the walrus would smarten up and raid their coaching staff for his next D coord.
Just because someone is on a good coaching staff doesn’t mean they will be a good coach upon promotion. Just ask Romeo, Charlie, or Eric.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
sometimes you do.
Also, it’s not about knowing, it’s about finding who you think is best. if he doesn’t think those guys will be the best, he doesn’t need to give them the chance.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
His time in Pittsburgh killed any bit of OSU that was in him for me.
He’s also a terrible person.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Shot glass throwing former Steeler douchebag.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 16, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was cleared in that.
She sounded like a gold digger.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
My Holmes fanhood went dormant when he played for the Steelers, we’re aloud to root for him again now and I am with you here.
Your friendly neighborhood Mangini apologist.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 17, 2011 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
How did Tom Brady do at finding a way to win the game? You know, since had he been playing for the colts he would have found a way to win that one.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Indeed. Too bad Brady doesn’t have a coach that understands clock management like Peyton Manning has.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 16, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 16, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. You got me. I already admitted though, I just really hate Peyton Manning, even in all his greatness.
fair enough.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
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If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
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