NFL Championship Sunday: Game Threads
By the end of today, we will know which two teams will square off on February 6th, 2011 for the Super Bowl. Both games should be very intense, as all four teams feature a great mixture of offense and defense. Use this as your game thread to discuss each game as they unfold; my brief previews and predictions for both games are after the jump.
Green Bay Packers vs. Chicago Bears
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Game: Green Bay Packers vs. Chicago Bears
Date/Time: Sunday, January 23, 2010 at 3:00 p.m. EST
Local Television: WJW/FOX, Channel 8 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Joe Buck & Troy Aikman
It is hard to believe these two teams have not met more often in postseason play. You have to give credit to what Mike Martz has been able to do in Chicago this year, maintaining a good balance of run-pass, improving the protection of an offensive line that was atrocious to start the season, and paving the way for Jay Cutler to put up career numbers.
The Bears' defense is healthy and can force critical turnovers. They held Green Bay to just ten points in Week 17, but the past two weeks, I think Aaron Rodgers has played some of the best football of his career. It helps that the Packers' ground game has gotten going behind James Stark, but I still believe Green Bay's chances to win will come down to Rodgers' arm. Green Bay has enough good pass rushers to make Chicago's protection break down and make it difficult for Cutler to match Green Bay's offense. My Pick: Packers win 28-21.
New York Jets vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
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Game: New York Jets vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Date/Time: Sunday, January 23, 2010 at 6:30 p.m. EST
Local Television: WOIO/CBS, Channel 19 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Jim Nantz & Phil Simms
For the second week in a row, we have to pick between the better of two evils. Whether you like Rex Ryan's style or not, the fact is that they did the impossible -- they beat the Colts and the Patriots on the road in back-to-back weeks. They defeated the Steelers in Pittsburgh late in the regular season too, so they should be as confident as ever that they can go in again and advance to the Super Bowl.
When you look back at the past two weeks though, the one thing the Jets have not faced in the postseason is an overly intimidating defense. When the likes of James Harrison, LaMar Woodley, and Troy Polamalu come breathing down the neck of Mark Sanchez though, is he going to be able to continue making the clutch throws? Ben Roethlisberger already has two Super Bowls under his belt, and I like his experience to take them there again. My Pick: Steelers win 20-17.
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Hopefully this happens again today.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
GGN has the worst logo of the four. BTSC is boring, but the simplicity is understandable, given their resources. That Packers logo is one of the best around.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Jan 23, 2011 2:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Jan 23, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I think Green Bay and the Steelers will be in the Superbowl. I just hope the NFC wins it all….
Adam Foote still blows!
I don’t think the Jets are professional enough to match what the Steelers have. I try not to be biased anymore, as much as I hate those douchebag Steelers.
Adam Foote still blows!
I don’t think the Jets are professional enough to match what the Steelers have.
What’s this supposed to mean?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Sure, the Steelers have plenty of goons too, but when it comes to preparing for games, they generally keep their mouths shut. The Jets can’t go 5 minutes without displaying that arrogant New York attitude.
Adam Foote still blows!
I thought that might be what you meant, in which case:
You really think the Steelers are going to win a football because they are more professional in your opinion? Whaaa
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
As a hockey fan, I have seen the Detroit Red Wings overpower and dismantle opponents by keeping a cool head and preparing for an opponent. It may not warrant in the NFL, but I think that being in the right mind set beforehand and keeping your composure is crucial.
Adam Foote still blows!
Someone may have mentioned this before, but the new NFL Super Bowl commercials showing real fan reactions are really weak. I’ve been more excited than those posers during regular season college games.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Joe Buck is so bad.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jan 23, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions
freaking horrible. He doesn’t even like sports! His voice and commentary are dismal.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
No he loves baseball. He has no passion for football.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Chad Ochocinco
Carson Palmer demands a trade? Last person demanded a trade in Cincy was crucified by the media n had to win the fans back, how will this go?
I hope the Bengals call his bluff.
I’m sure he would leave tens of millions of dollars on the table and just walk away. Sure.
What an ass.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Asking for a trade I can understand, but the retirement stuff is just ridiculous. Maybe he would pull a Favre and retire then decide to come back and play for someone else.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting situation they have there in Cincy. I’ve never been a Palmer fan, i think he gets too much credit for being a great QB when things go well there and not enough blame when things go wrong.
I also think this is a huge indictment of the coaching staff (with Lewis being brought back). I remember a certain someone criticizing that same coaching staff and taking flak for it.
Also if you’re willing to retire that easily (loosely used), how much do you really love/care about football?
It’s nice to have this kind of controversy swirling somewhere else in the division for a change.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 23, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Cincy already has enough drama to keep them occupied. Although it would be nice to see Lil Palmer try to replace his big brother.
If they trade Carson, I’m guessing Jordan is cut 0.0023 seconds later.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Chad Johnson was fun. He was good and looked like he loved playing football.
Chad Ochocinco is a media whore who does nothing but bitch, and hasn’t been good in years.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
yup.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Since I will shortly be leaving to have dinner and watch the game with my Pittsburgh native in-laws, where I will be unable to log on and express my true feelings about the late game on this board, here are my predictions for the late game today:
1) A significant playmaker for the Jets will be injured by a questionable hit from the Steelers. Jets fans will howl and Pittsburgh fans will justify it saying that football is a violent game.
2) At least one Jets drive will be extended by an egregious personal foul committed by the Steelers.
3) At least one, maybe up to three questionable officiating calls will, inexplicably go Pittsburgh’s way. Still, their fans will believe that their team is not lucky and that the officials are out to get them. To justify their belief, they will point to item 2.
4) Pittsburgh will jump the snap count or line up offsides at least a dozen times. They will get called for offsides once.
The Steelers will win, of course, based almost exclusively on item 3. No official will be publicly censured for any of the obvious blown calls or noncalls. I hate it, but that’s the way the NFL rolls. The Steelers are their golden boys and they are money in the bank. A Steelers-Packers Super Bowl is an NFL executive’s wet dream, and thus it shall happen.
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
Entirely reasonable predictions.
Howerver,
The Steelers will win
BOOO!
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Trust me – I want to see the Steelers humiliated to the point where their fans cry frozen tears on the way out of Heinz Field. I just think that the fix is ALWAYS in for the Steelers.
"Magic would be getting productivity out of Crowe or Valbuena. I’ll admit we could use a little luck, but that’s not the same thing." - Jay
by woodsmeister on Jan 23, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
didn’t 20 other teams pass on Rodgers?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers would have been overkill.
We drafted Charlie Frye in the third round.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Computers make it a lot less noticeable. I wouldn’t be able to watch on TV without something to occupy my attention during commercial breaks.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
agreed. Got rid of cable a few years ago – best decision I’ve made in a long time.
Hey look, another phone commercial. As long as I can make and receive calls/texts on my phone, I could give a crap what else it can do for me.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Chicago is the worst #1 seed I can remember in a looong time.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but NE had some good wins during the season.
This Bears team is just ugly.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Bears > Patriots, also the Bears are a #2 seed.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
That’s what I get for opening my big mouth….
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Do you recall his and McCarver’s commentary during the Indian’s playoff games in the 90’s?
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
No…not at all. Not to mention the usual anti-Cleveland digs they peppered into their broadcasts. Assholes.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
On October 9, 2009, McCarver released a cover album of jazz standards entitled Tim McCarver Sings Songs from the Great American Songbook.89
shudders…
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
GB has only been to 3rd down three times!
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not nearly as much as 6 coaches in 12 years.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
by Simmsinns on Jan 23, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That inside 2-minute fumble recovery rule is freaking stupid.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
yeah anyone care to explain that one?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I believe put it in to prevent the fumbleruski play I believe. I forget what game it was, but there was a famous play where a QB fumbled the ball like 20 yards forward and converted a third or fourth down. I think thats why it was instated.
but why only in the last two minutes?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
To prevent the desperation plays, just “fumbling” it forward. I mean think about it, you could theoretically just roll the ball forward and hope one of your players can get it.
Alternatively, you could just throw the ball forward and hope one of your players can get it. If this is illegal, why not the hail mary?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
or maybe not.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Knox didn’t even see the ball. He looked like Momass on that play.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Let me stress again that I think the NFL needs to determine what constitutes a catch.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Anyone else get a little hop in their step when FOX brings on Mike Pereria to back up Joe Buck, and they are wrong?
“Yeah, I think that ball came a little bit loose—”
“After reviewing the play, the ruling on the field stands.”
Yeah this game just got bumped to secondary tv. Pawn Stars, you’re up.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
So it safe to say Colt McCoy would not eat there either?
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not. I sat in the booth with his (and Shipley’s) picture at Black’s BBQ in Texas last year. Way better than processed, prepackaged chain crap like that.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
And why do you ask that? Please tell me Colt’s not doing a Chili’s commercial?!
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
reference to a joke from a past thread here.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Have to say I got a pretty good laugh out of this little exchange.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
You had to be there. I thought it was pretty f’ing funny. Then again I am usually drunk when I am on this board/watching football.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
From the Browns, this year. And most of last year.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
That was a clean hit.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
He dipped his head and caused a helmet to helmet hit. Thems is the rules, no?
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t touch a QB’s head, let alone go helmet to helmet with a QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Looked like he hit him in the chest and only clipped the bottom of Rogers’ facemask to me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
He led with his helmet and wrecked his shit. It was a good call, whether we like the rule or not.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 23, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
His head was up. Maybe his head hit first, but I believe the rule is against leading with the top of your head.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
goes to show, imo, that there are a lot of good punters around the league.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 23, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I look at this ref I remember bottlegate. I think that was the new Browns’ most exciting moment.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 23, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions
Well, it’s not my fault if Green Bay doesn’t even try to tackle :)
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Jan 23, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
All things considered, this has been a tense fourth quarter.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
Wow, I want GB to win but not because of a god awful call like that.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Yikes, looked like a BS grounding flag there.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
Awful call, probably the worse I’ve seen this post-season.
He had a guy right there.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
That’s crazy.
It was 15 yards away from anyone.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Shut up Rivers.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously, considering the QB was hit and there was a receiver on the sideline, usually referee discretion doesn’t cause the flag to come out.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, I think they give QBs to much leeway but as I said I don’t think that would’ve been called on a “star” QB. I am saying bad call because its not consistent with some of the no-calls I’ve seen during the regular season.
Right, this is how I feel too.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Bears may have finally found a QB.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions
Heh. Seriously though, have to hand to this kid.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
oh well, never mind
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Weird seeing this from an outsider perspective.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, Packer fans still think they can win.
I would already be in full meltdown mode.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that this game is only one-score from being tied is a major, major, second-half fail by the Packers. WTF happened at half-time?
It did get exciting at the end.
Now, J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, JETS!
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 23, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, that meteor from last week would be good.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry but I cannot bring myself to root for the Jets.
Might have to just root for penalties all night.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
You’re new, you just don’t understand. It’s not about the Jets, it’s about any team preventing the Steelers from another freaking SB.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I understand.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
But worry not. The Pack is back.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the “lesser of two evils” kind of a thing.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 23, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, this was too close for comfort.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
For the next few hours, we’re ALL Gang Green Nation!
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I think you mean “Behind the Steel Curtain!”
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think I officially want to call them my second favorite team.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
when they beat Pitt or NYJ, then they will be.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
+2
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
E*Trade baby just roasted the Steelers.
Awesome.
If you haven't watched Inception, do it now. Right now.
The appeal of the talking, stock savvy baby totally escapes me.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I mean he roasted the Steelers. That’s cool in my book regardless of who does it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose. But damn those commercials are terrible and I can’t help but be suspicious of anyone who enjoys them. That baby enjoys copulating wilderbeats for cripes sakes!
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
That’s hilarious. I like the one where he hides his IPhone under his pillow. It’s genius.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed, it is.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
My stomach is turning watching those pee colored towels.
Life moves pretty fast. If don't stop and look around once in a while you could miss it. - Ferris Bueller
Wait till they all have to eat it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Let's hope so.
Life moves pretty fast. If don't stop and look around once in a while you could miss it. - Ferris Bueller
Oh… that’s nice?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2009/11/13/photos-of-jim-nantzs-girlfriend-keep-rolling-in/
not worth 1 mil a year
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
buuuuuuh!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I have to go in like ten minutes to a few meetings then grab dinner after. Just hoping for the stupid Steelers to lose.
Meetings, over this game? And you try to call yourself a fan…
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m on newspaper and Central Spirit, which is Clemson’s club to support all the athletic programs, not just football and basketball.
She goes to Clemson. Hence being in Clemson’s clubs.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t have to be at anything.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
HEAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTHHHH!!! (echo)
Looks like a catch to me, great effort.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
Bull call, absolutely no evidence of the football touching the ground.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
aka, the call on the field should have stood.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, that was a good overturn.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Is he rooting for the frickin’ Steelers instead of the meteor?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Oh, a friend of mine posted a Steelers status on facebook. And I was like “wtf?” and she was like “steelers over jets!”.
F you, go root for Buffalo.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
How bad was douchebag Cutler’s injury? Did Matthews get him?
Any good injuries in the Jets / Steelers game? Braylon drop a big one yet?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Mike Holmgren, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Steelers first drive took up over 9 minutes for a TD.
And Cutler is a punk and will be properly eviscerated tomorrow.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Jan 23, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Caleb whatever had more heart than him, it seemed.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cutler got a little boo boo on his knee and he just sat on the bench the rest of the day. Great drive in that man.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I beat you on that ink by about two hours, dear.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
It is hard to root for either of these teams. Has anyone done a proper douche bag count and if so what are the totals?
53+53= All of them.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Damn. That’s why I’m in Social Studies.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone tell me how Brett “homeless” Keisel is making it to the Pro Bowl? He sat out for about half the year.
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The beaver on his face is twice as bad now.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, last I checked Maurice Jones-Drew, Derrick Brooks, LeCharles Bentley, Lance Moore, and Darnell Dockett are all sitting at home.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Haha last I checked, they don’t call it quits in a game that huge over a bruise, if that.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, but Jay Cutler did.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
And he packed it in. Thank you for agreeing.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not a problem, at all. It’s fun making fun of these players that never even got the opportunity to play in a conference championship this season.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
And it’s hilarious to make fun of Jay Cutler because the minute he had an excuse, he rode the bench.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, what are Maurice Jones-Drew, Derrick Brooks, LeCharles Bentley, Lance Moore, and Darnell Dockett all riding? Their coaches.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
What is Jay Cutler riding? A plane home.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I thought it a little odd.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha. Now that I think about it, coaches is unintentionally funnier.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Extremely.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
do we know for sure that’s what his injury was? even if it was something he could play through, would he have been able to play well? We know what happens when guys play through injuries they shouldn’t.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I knew you’d jump in to defend Cutler.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I like to gather facts before making judgments, strange I know.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 23, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that hit. Sanders is such the worthless Steeler, that he faked it and the second they threw the flag he jumped up and started clapping. Really?
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The banquet beer? Coors? That is their tag line? wow.
How about, “It will get you drunk if you have no other option”
I’m still trying to figure out what a “Banquet Beer” even means.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
A banquet was a term for an old western party.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
If Ben had used Kayak, he could’ve been on Barton Island…
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
“This is some nice some one said about the EVO” OHHH! Everyone likes it – I need to buy it so I can feel happy!
Have I mentioned I hate fucking cell phone commercials?
HTC is the worst company to buy a smart phone from.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Almost everyone I know who has a “smart” phone is a slave to it.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
My friend is controlled by his Droid X and considers it the best phone ever. Nevermind the fact he’s had to re-install the phone twice.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jets in general. I wish the Steelers weren’t playing such a sucky – ass team.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. The thought of them going to another SB just makes me want to puke.
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GB is taking it all, so it’ll all work out regardless.
If the Jets lose, we need to find that JoeNamath poster and ask him if all that playoff talk around there has stopped.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
No one f*cking cares if your computer can play Jeperdy. We all know Americans only care if it can show them !@#$.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
None of those guys are even IBMers. They’re all actors. There goes me supporting them.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Since when is knowledge prized or awed in this country?
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ah E*Trade baby, why are you so mesmerizing? Milka – whaa?
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Hell no.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
So what is so appealing about the talking baby? One of my theories why people like these commercials is they reflect back to their baby rearing days and make some positive association with this baby absurd and simultaneous cuteness and associate it with the fondness of their own infants.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I did have two infant siblings.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm.
Still strikes me as creepy, just like talking dummies ala old Twillight Zone.
by kingcrimson2 on Jan 23, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Being a kicker for the 49ers.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well, now yah do.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Jets look awful right now. They were supposed to have a defense.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Not the time for that. You’re on the Steelers side saying that.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yikes. My Super Bowl prediction (from this weekend) is going to come to fruition. Packers all the way!
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…Go away. I don’t want to here from you for at least a week. You need to think about what you’ve done.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Coming from the guy who would crucify the Browns after one negative play in the first quarter…
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shhh now. Browns fans are actually hating the Steelers here… (all in good fun. But seriously, not cool Chris.)
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was annoying, but…
HEAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTHHHH!!!
As a Browns fan, that is just unforgivable.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Also, calling a call against the Steelers bullcrap. Seriously?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should hide my terrible towel.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, that was not funny Chris. You dug yourself too deep a hole.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, you are so subconsciously rooting for Pittsburgh.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
No, that’s why they have to hire Phil Simms.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
The one time we need him to do well ever. And he continues to be Sanchez.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t take another Steelers ring. F U Sanchez and foot rub Ryan.
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(Chris doesn’t need to respond. I know where he stands now.)
by emily522 on Jan 23, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA!
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
A Browns one for when we draft Casey right? I agree.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
And look where that got McCoy…
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ewww. Rooting against the Steelers is one thing, but buying another teams jersey? Especially a douchbags jersey.
You’re taking it too far.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
You are the only one who thinks he’s a douche. The fact that you’re ripping the Matthews ine is almost as bad as Chris.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
No, not even close. Clay Matthews Jr. is a douche.
I’m not rooting for the !@#$ing Steelers.
What the hell is wrong with you?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Never diss the Mattchews line. Douche.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thinking that is even close to the equivalent of rooting for the Steelers makes you retarded.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Rather be that than a douche.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
That’s Chris. I’m calling Simms a douche because he roots against the Mathews family, also calls him a british cigarette and acts like an uptight prude when you diss Cutler or a PS3.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I was making a joke and trying to lighten the mood. But I sense that that is not going to happen now.
Haha, yeah. I totally went there. Still love you Simms.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I don’t even like Cutler, he’s a little bitch, his Denver exit showed enough to prove that.
I also never dissed Casey or Clay Sr. I don’t have a problem with either.
By the way, I’m never going to embrace your ignorance (and down right stupiduty) about any specific off-topic subject, especially video games, which I happen to be very well informed about.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Haha, I don’t even like Cutler, he’s a little bitch, his Denver exit showed enough to prove that.
So why didn’t you agree with me joking about his bitchyness above?
I also never dissed Casey or Clay Sr. I don’t have a problem with either.
You diss one Matthews, you diss the two that played for the Browns and the one we could potentially draft.
By the way, I’m never going to embrace your ignorance (and down right stupiduty) about any specific off-topic subject, especially video games, which I happen to be very well informed about.
Douche. But still my friend.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though, I never really had a second favorite team or a favorite NFC team until this year and the Pack really stuck to me through the year.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what happened with me once Rodgers started for GB. I liked Favre, but I really started watching the Packers when Rodgers started. I don’t know, I feel like GB’s a team you can’t hate unless you like another team in that division. Their fans are awesome.
(I’m not trying to be a front runner here. Obviously if the Browns were in the playoffs I wouldn’t care about the Packers.)
Rodgers is a good QB
I thought that the 49eers made one of the biggest draft mistakes taking Smith over him.
Everyone thinks that, obviously.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I heard somebody say that the Jets personal Superbowl was beating the Pats at home last week. Must have been correct because their Defense is playing like it’s the Pro Bowl.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
The Pats did come in cocky as hell though.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that much? I expected negative.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
YES!
Ok. Down 14. Come on Jets, just do something. PLEASE.
And Sanchez, this could be a 7 point game if you didn’t suck and fumble the ball.
That bomb was so lucky though. I mean Sanchez was moving AND was throwing off his back foot.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Such a bad rule. If you touch the football you can destroy the kicker. No touch and it’s generally an automatic first down.
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If anything, that should’ve only been the 5 yard rule, not the 15 yard one. Ridiculous.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you give the ball to LT on the goal line when you have a big bruising back like Greene?
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L.T. has a higher vertical and because Greene sucks.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
LT didn’t even attempt to jump and Greene had several nice runs on that drive.
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Greene sucks and LT’s vertical is always important on goaline. You’re using hindsight.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Mack may be going to the ProBowl after all… Both Pouncey and Mangold are out.
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I was just thinking the same thing. I forget what type of alternate Mack was.
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Mack is a second alternate. Not sure who the first alternate is, but if both are injured, Mack should get in. Does anyone know if Mangold came back into the game after the injury?
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he did.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
There it goes, TD Jets! Very surprising comeback effort by them.
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Sanchez has been impressive in the latter part of this game.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions
This will seem like an eternity for Jets fans I imagine…their season, at least defensively, comes down to making a stop after the two-minute warning here.
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Yep. They can lose the game on this one play. Or they can give themselves one last shot.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t be able to handle another shittburgh superbowl win. Come one jets
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"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 23, 2011 9:46 PM EST reply actions
Game.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions
Go Packers.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions
wow…somehow you just know this guy will come through in the clutch always always always. the more i dislike roethlisburger the better he gets. it pains me to say this guy has got to be up there with brady and manning
No, he’s not. At all. He didn’t even play that well tonight. He was basically carried. I mean, I saw some bad throws. He’s good but no where near that level.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody got a good home remedy for getting vomit taste outta your mouth?
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Cheese.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 23, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
ffffuuuuucccccckkkk
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"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 23, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions
I wouldve hated for the Jets to get there much more. Anyways, go Pack
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 23, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s going to be sweet seeing Aaron Rodgers light up the Steelers and crush their Super Bowl aspirations. Can’t wait for Clay Matthews to lay into Roethlisberger. Assuming Pouncey remains up, the Packers have a huge advantage up front in that regard.
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(remains out, not “up”)
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by Chris Pokorny on Jan 23, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
2 straight weeks of ESPN running Roethlisburger stories and then re-running them, running them a third time and then airing a new, hastily made movie entitled “Profiles in Courage: The Ben Roethlisburger Story: How this brave courageous man beat the odds and became an American hero.” I’m taking my talents to Hulu.
Some kid who plays soccer, is trying to defend Sanchez’s play…
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions
on my facebook.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
They just called me a front runner aha.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Then they kept calling me a dumbass and stupid. These are soccer players mind you. The one is apparently a fan of Miami. Uh., wut?
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 23, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how many more seasons of the Steelers winning and the Browns losing I can take before I am done with football. Can’t be too many more
Well…
I dream of a day when the BROWNS are known as “America’s Team” and these dark, troubled times will be only a hazy memory. And I see Cleveland as a shining city on a hill…
Of course, by that time, the Super Bowl will be called the “Galaxy Bowl” and the United States will no longer exist. Steroids will have been legalized and negotiated in the CBA. Bionic engineers will surpass OCs and DCs in importance and the field will be 500 yds long.
But, it will all be good because at long last the Browns will be champions again.
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In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 23, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
They’re gunna call it the Galaxy Bowl next year?
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Jan 24, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Anyone else think that roughing the kicker call was about as bad as it got? It seemed to fire the Jets up but that’s one official dishing out free first downs in a championship game?
Dodgy.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
Nothing dodgy about it. The Jets player didn’t touch the ball. He did touch the kicker. End of story. This game’s dodgy pro-Steelers call (and in a Steelers game there always is one and it always benefits the Steelers) was the “fumble” by Sanchez that should have been ruled an incomplete pass that pretty much ended up being the difference in the game.
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by woodsmeister on Jan 24, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it looked like his arm was coming forward, but the ball went backwards, wouldn’t that make it a backwards pass and a live ball?
I think it’s very easy to look at that play and see what you want to see. If it had been ruled an incompletion on the field, it would have been very difficult to overturn it. My point is that it was a borderline call, and like all borderline calls in Steelers games, it benefited the Steelers and proved, ultimately, to be the difference in the game. Those calls never, ever, ever go against the Steelers. When the Karma Train comes for the Steelers, it should, by rights flatten them for a couple decades, because they have certainly had more than their share of breaks from the officials. I want to believe that these things should even themselves out, but the Steelers are living proof that the wicked still prosper.
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by woodsmeister on Jan 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I bet (most) Steelers fans are already acting like they have that trophy in hand and like GB has absolutely no chance.
Steelers fans always act like they have the trophy in hand. They are arrogant and condescending. That’s how they roll.
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by woodsmeister on Jan 24, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Thought the playcalling by Schottenheimer for only the 4 plays that they couldn’t get the ball in the end zone was awful and cost them a real chance at the game.
Totally agree.
Why pass it when you are on the one with that offensive line?
Should have pounded the rock with Greene.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
You’re probably right on calling a run there, but Greene isn’t that great.
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He’s better than what LT did at the goal line.
Greene ran tough yesterday. He should have gotten the goal line carries.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 24, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
To anyone who thinks Cutler quit:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/In-defense-of-Jay-Cutler;_ylt=AryW7gPwlgnRZHUNW4p7SyY5nYcB?urn=nfl-311619
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I don’t like mjd, but i don’t think Cutler quit either. Also i think the whole “so and so quit” is severely overused.
very few players ever quit, but you wouldn’t know it from reading blogs.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 24, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nice!
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In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Jan 25, 2011 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wowsa, that was awesome.
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