Browns Hire Mark Whipple as QB's Coach; No Offensive Coordinator This Season
by Chris Pokorny on Jan 31, 2011 10:28 AM EST
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PrintAccording to reports by ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Cleveland Browns have hired Mark Whipple as their new quarterbacks coach. Whipple has been a candidate for a position on the Browns' staff for several weeks now, and the hiring has finally come to fruition. Whipple was formerly a quarterbacks coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers (pre-Mike Tomlin) and the offensive coordinator for the University of Miami.
Schefter believes the fact that Whipple was named the quarterbacks coach is another sign that the team will not hire a person under the "offensive coordinator" title.
With Whipple and Pat Shurmer, Browns not likely to hire an OC.
-Adam Schefter via Twitter
The Browns' primary staff is now set in stone, so the new assistant/position coaches should come rolling in over the next couple of weeks.
Update: The Browns also hired former Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Bill Davis as their new linebackers coach. Davis interviewed with the Browns before the hiring of Dick Jauron, and it was believed at the time that he was interviewing for our defensive coordinator position.
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Interesting. I wonder if there’s someone they have their eye on who won’t be available until next year.
I think part of the issue is that it’s already been established that the head coach will be calling the plays.
Maybe Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur are just waiting to hire Mooncamping as OC.
by BrownsFanRegina on Feb 1, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta make up the money for paying 3 coaching staffs somehow……? Actually this reinforces the idea that Holmgren is the defacto HC, Shurmur the OC (with a bit more punch) & Jauron will do everything with the defense….at least in my little world
I would be ok with that. I believe its not too unlike what NO is doing.
by HenryDawg on Jan 31, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well, that’s old enough to know better ::shakes head::
by 9James on Jan 31, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
you think a 15 year old kid has enough training to successfully hit anything from that distance?
by macdowellm03 on Jan 31, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Psssh, haven’t you ever seen Leon The Professional?
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by Adrock2099 on Jan 31, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think one can’t you are narrow minded.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
It was a very, very easy shot that someone with moderate training in marksmanship could hit. There was a clear line of fire and the “moving target” was going like 5 mph. Easy shot for a trained 15 year-old.
Holmgren did it.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Eh.
Does this make us the first team in the modern era not to hire an offensive coordinator?
I can’t imagine this a good thing for next season, but oh well. How far are you “In Holmgren We Trust” folks willing to go with this?
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
They don’t have McCoy or Hillis though.
They had a QB carousel with Hightower and Wells. Yeesh.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Big dif. There HC has defensive background. Truly no OC. We have an OC. Our HC is our OC.
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by GhostRider94 on Jan 31, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Whiz was an OC in Pittsburgh.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 31, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
they paid a heavy price for having Derek Anderson.
You realize they didn’t have an offensive Coordinator in 2009 and they were fine. They had Kurt Warner so they were still awesome. Its a lot about personnel. You can have a team without a true “OC” and have it work if you have elite players. they just had an awful QB
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
How far are you "In Holmgren We Trust" folks willing to go with this?
I find it a bit odd not to hire an OC. But I guess with Shurmer calling the plays and basically running the entire offense, he essentially gets both roles.
Anyway to answer your question, I will judge all of these moves once we see this team on the field. All the negative and positive feelings are all speculation until we see the team actually play.
I’m a little uneasy with this as well… So he’s a rookie HC and he’s going to be calling the plays on offense AND fulfill the duties of the OC? Seems like an awful lot for a newbie.
He’s not a rookie OC. This is Old School Cool. Shurmur not the only HC calling plays.
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by GhostRider94 on Jan 31, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
OC as HC makes some sense
well, the DC always handles all the D stuff, even if you have a head coach with a D background….because the head coach handles the in-game decision making….well if you think about it, pretty much all the in-game decisions are offense: 4th downs, clock management(some defense), field goal or TD, onsides kick, go for two. most of these decisions i believe can be handled easier by an offensive minded HC…since he would have been fulling immeresd into how the O is performing and flowing.
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Does this make us the first team in the modern era not to hire an offensive coordinator?
No. New England has no offensive coordinator.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
The patriots didn’t officially have any coordinators this season and it didn’t seem to hurt them.
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
…(a continuation from my last comment), Unfortunately our offense is nowhere near as talented as NE’s.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
They have Brady, and that helps a ton, but other than that they don’t have anyone that absurdly talented. Their coaching and schemes are what make them so good.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Their coaching and schemes are what make them so good.
More things we don’t have.
And “that absurdly talented” is all relative, so I’ll just reiterate that our offense is nowhere near as talented as NE’s.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
Half our line isn’t as good and half is better. Our receivers are a little worse, but our running back is way better. The only big difference is the QB.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
point being, it’s not that their talent can handle not having an OC, it’s that their coach can.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
but at this point brady is 75% of an OC, himself. brady (as a proxy for “the quarterback”) makes a huge difference.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
yes. There is much less of a need for an OC once you have an elite QB
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Having no OC shouldn’t be a problem with shurmur but it will leave dick Jauron to his own supervision on defense: and that scares me.
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on Jan 31, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why? He has plenty of experience to run a D. This is a good thing, hopefully allowing Shurminator to focus on the O.
by HenryDawg on Feb 1, 2011 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Experience doesn’t equate to performance in my mind. He has never coached a top 10 defense in ypg or ppg. His schemes are oft criticized for being too bland and not adaptive.
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by jaws. on Feb 1, 2011 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My point being that our offense is nowhere near as talented as NE’s, even if Brady accounts for a significant portion of that difference.
(For the record, I don’t disagree that coaches and scheme help make them good. But, we definitely don’t have that either.)
Lastly, I think there receivers are probably more than “a little” better, but I expect that to be proven over time.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I think the difference is in the coaching more so than the talent level, outside of the QB position (but of course that’s a huge deal, so take that for what it’s worth). I don’t really think there’s a way for either of us to know who’s right here.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really think there’s a way for either of us to know who’s right here.
I’m not even sure we disagree here.
I started on this after someone pointed out that New England had no OC and it didn’t hurt them at all. I was merely saying that we don’t have talent nearly as good as NE’s.
And I’ll completely agree with the point that we don’t have a coaching staff that is nearly as good as NE’s either, even if they cheated for a season, or several.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
we have a former OC as HC and calling plays. we also have a former OC as QB coach who will also likely have input on the offensive preparation. Its not my favorite move in the world, but it makes sense.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Remember Marty Shottenhiemer? He refused to hire one and got the boot because of it.
by Displaced Dawg on Jan 31, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
no, he wanted to hire his brother for the position and got the boot.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Many head coaches call their own plays, fewer lack coordinators altogether.
In a “West Coast” offense, and on most teams today plays are mostly called before the game even starts. It won’t hurt during the actual calling of the plays. How many people and which people have input into the gameplan is where it could hurt.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions
I really think it is a bad idea to not have an offensive coordinator. Especially after reading some Bill Walsh (sorry, thesis)
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Kind of agree here. My thought is that the Browns couldn’t find many qualified candidates who wanted to be an o-coordinator without play-calling responsiblity.
Yup. Holmgren’s mighty ego cost us any chance we had at hiring a competent OC.
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by golanbatrac on Jan 31, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holmgren’s ego my ass. We’re not the only team in the NFL who’s head coach is calling the plays, which means not every OC in the NFL calls plays. If he wants to hire an OC we’ll have an OC.
we will be the only team in the league w/ a rookie head coach w/ 2 seasons of play calling experience who is calling the plays, however. which is awesome.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
And if we want an OC. It means it’s going to be another unproven person thrust into a role along with a rookie HC. Any self – respecting OC who is actually good as an OC and has experience doing such will not come here now that Shurmer announced idiotically that he would be calling the plays.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with an unproven OC in this case. Daboll was one thing. Mangini gave him full reign of the offense with no experience. At least a young OC could learn before he calls the plays here.
shumur still qualifies as a “young OC”. not sure he’s got a lot to teach yet.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I would bet he definitely does.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Any self – respecting OC who is actually good as an OC and has experience doing such will not come here now that Shurmer announced idiotically that he would be calling the plays.
How do we know if unproven OC is good or not?
Plus, would you have rather had Shurmer not announce it and then spring it on them after their hired?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. Then we’d possibly have a good OC or someone to help guide him if he does end up in trouble.
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
The question was going to come up in the interview. If the plan was for him to call the plays anyway then the candidates would not have taken the position and we would be scratching our heads wondering why. If they lied and said oh you can call the plays and then “spring it on them” then we would be in the same position as KC was when they fired the OC before the season started or if the OC quit after finding out he wasn’t calling the plays.
OK so this part’s true. The whole end of the world psycho babble is still getting old. We’ve watched a shitty team for how long? And now’s the time to jump off the boat? Come on.
For some reason your last sentence sounded a little sarcastic….
No one is saying they’re going to stop being a fan of the team, just that they disagree with some decisions being made.
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by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BigBen: “Calling it Big Ben is so stupid. I call it the Benis. Wanna go visit the bathroom with me?”
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by SpecialBrownie on Jan 31, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
i’ll be rooting as hard for the browns as anyone out there come opening day … i’ve just been consistently unimpressed by the actions that the organization has taken since the first play of the steelers game. but there is no jumping off the boat, simply skepticism.
can’t imagine why that last sentence would have come off as sarcastic…
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Whisenhunt called the plays in 2007. He was a rookie HC with only 1 more year of OC/Playcalling experience before being hired. He also had a guy who was a first time OC who eventually moved up to playcalling duties. I think that may be what ends up happening. we get a position coach that is the OC who eventually does some of the playcalling after a few years.
Whisenhunt isn’t a rookie anymore, but the situation has happened without disastrous results.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
a) one example does virtually nothing for me
b) coordinating the super bowl winning offense in that “1 more year” has to mean something for whisenhunt … especially as compared to shurmur’s coordinating a team to 8-24 in his two years
c) ask cardinals fans how psyched they’ve been w/ whisenhunt’s tenure as playcaller/hc
i’m not saying this situation can’t work. i’m just underwhelmed.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
coordinating a team to 8-24 in his two years
yeah, because the offense won games in pittsburgh. as an OC, Whisenhunt probably was a bit better and had more experience.
I wasn’t expecting the example to Whelm you (is that a word? I really didn’t expect hit to underwhelm or overwhelm) that much.
I do think it is rocky and this is one example, but at least by the one example I could think of with a similar situation, it did not all crash and burn. You are welcome to come up with another example, I just can’t think of any.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
impress would’ve been a good choice.
I thought it was a good example. It just shows that this isn’t the first time something like this has been done, but of course nobody here wants to be happy with the decisions being made.
I’m excited for next reason. Regardless of the coaching staff, we have a lot of young talented players. One thing we know this team can do well now is draft. We’ll certainly have the talent.
Doesn’t Payton fit here as well? OC calling plays in NY for 2000 and 2001, relieved of his play calling duties in 2002. Then Dallas QB coach before becoming New Orleans HC. Of course, he has an offensive coordinator.
It’s to say that there’s any particular task that Shurmur can’t do, because new coaches start all the time. But I would like for him to get as much help as he can.
thats another good example. I cannot think of an example where this happened and it crashed and burned. Not that I think this is a guarantee win, but that it has worked in the past and there is a reason to be optimistic.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
well, the crash and burn examples probably don’t get a lot of press, do they?
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are we concerned that we finally have an offensive minded HC who may be tactically proficient enough to call plays and intends to do so? Is that the concern here? Shurmur calling plays and coordinating offense in Cleveland will probably not be much different from Shurmur coordinating offense and calling plays in St. Louis.
I still believe Holmgren will be providing plenty of top cover and early warning to HC Shurmur if and when the train starts coming off the tracks. I imagine that’s one of the nice things about working with someone you trust and have confidence in.
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In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Feb 1, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Shurmur calling plays and coordinating offense in Cleveland will probably not be much different from Shurmur coordinating offense and calling plays in St. Louis.
you do realize that shurmur is the head coach in cleveland, right?
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i got that part. Thanks.
Maybe you stopped reading too soon. See second paragraph.
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by JustPlainBrowns on Feb 1, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
but of course nobody here wants to be happy with the decisions being made.
Just because people are unhappy with the moves our front office has made in the last month doesn’t mean they’re being obstinate. There are legitimate reasons for concern, and to pretend otherwise, as you’ve done here, is bullshit.
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by golanbatrac on Feb 1, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh brother. Are you expressing concern? Or painting everything as negatively as possible?
Here’s a breakdown,
Concern:
I really think it is a bad idea to not have an offensive coordinator. Especially after reading some Bill Walsh (sorry, thesis)
Concern:
Kind of agree here. My thought is that the Browns couldn’t find many qualified candidates who wanted to be an o-coordinator without play-calling responsiblity.
Bombast:
Yup. Holmgren’s mighty ego cost us any chance we had at hiring a competent OC.
I mean, flame away if you’re pissed, but don’t act like it’s honest analysis.
Spend any time over at the Frowns site? (Not asking you to leave, just curious). He’s whole-heartedly embracing your position, if not pushing it even farther.
by dgcambridge on Feb 1, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh brother. Are you expressing concern? Or painting everything as negatively as possible?
Concern.
I mean, flame away if you’re pissed
Why would I be pissed? Pissed off about what?
but don’t act like it’s honest analysis.
It’s not an analysis. No where did I present it as an analysis.
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I think all the flame towards anyone unhappy with the moves that have been made is funny.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as I said before, it’s been an unexpected source of entertainment for me.
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I don’t think I’ve “flamed” anyone, but I just wish there was some more positivity around here and less hand wringing.
You haven’t. Many others have though.
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by North Coast Flea on Feb 1, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about calling plays, its about preparation and the roles within the organization.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
i’m scared, we appeared to have decent preparation this year, yet made some poor adjustments and questionable play calling at the end of games
100% concur with this.
I’ll bet we easily dominated 1st Quarters in the majority of our games last year. Team looked prepared. Opening drives and play scripting seemed effective. On the other hand, we lost most of the 2nd halves and games as a result poor adjustments and coaching in the heat of battle.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Feb 1, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Or lack of depth. No rest for the thin of roster.
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this too
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is. -- Yogi Berra
by JustPlainBrowns on Feb 1, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know Holmgren publicly stated that he would “let the new coach do his job, etc..”.
But he has also said that if Shurmur wanted to consult with him, he’d be happy to help him out, etc…
I have no idea how it would work out logistically or if it is feasible or advisable (precedents, anyone?), but perhaps Shurmur should take Holmgren up on this ‘offer’ and allow Holmgren to take a “hands on” approach in Shurmur’s 1st year (i.e. be working directly with Shurmur and his staff early on…). I mean here we have in our front office one of the great coaches of recent NFL history, why not tap into that well, at least in the first year, especially given the current state of affairs? Hopefully Shurmur can swallow his pride and let Holmgren take him under his wing…
Thoughts?
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 31, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Shurmur should take Holmgren up on this ‘offer’ and allow Holmgren to take a "hands on" approach in Shurmur’s 1st year (i.e. be working directly with Shurmur and his staff early on…).
this isn’t a Mangini situation…Shurmur is Holmgrens ‘guy’ and I have no doubt he absolutely will be working very closely with him in regards to the offense. Shurmur will have the final say…but he’s going to have a lot of help and support.
Hopefully Shurmur can swallow his pride and let Holmgren take him under his wing…
I don’t think Shurmur looks at it like a ‘pride’ thing as there is no conflict of philosophy.
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 31, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I can see Holgren, Shurmer & Whipple standing on the sidelines doing rock paper siscors over who gets to call the next play. lol
I think when Shumur fills out the rest of the coaching staff there will be more balance. I think Whipple is the unofficial OC. Except they need him to focus on Colt and the QB’s too much initially. Mid-season depending on the progression more play calling duties will be shifted, likely to Whipple. Shumur needed someone to focus on the QB position. I think they are sending a message with this hire that we value the QB position and the coaching staff behind it more that the OC.
i figure gil haskell will play a prominent role this season.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes – I’ve been thinking the same. Holmgren certainly has his hands full at this point.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 31, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Walsh was a consultant for a few years with the 49ers. He probably was there for advice. Parcells might also be a precedent in Miami.
I guarantee if Shurmur needs help on offense figuring something out Holmgren is there, but that usually won’t be our OC/HC’s problem.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Not a fan of this setup. There must be some “give” somewhere, and if it’s not in the offensive production, it will be in the first time head coaches decision-making. Too much responsibility for one guy who has never had it before.
i couldn’t agree more. this has disaster written all over. i get less and less impressed w/ this new regime…
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i get less and less impressed w/ this new regime…
Right there with you on this.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I blame Phil Savage.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I blame the haters.
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by North Coast Flea on Jan 31, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He hate me.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 1, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
LOL U MAD.
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by SpecialBrownie on Feb 1, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ballers gonna ball.
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by 489favegame stat on Feb 2, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I always liked Whipple.
He was thought highly of while in the Burgh, and should be a good signing for you.
No OC though? I don’t know about that.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 31, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions
Still looking to hire an OC/asst.HC. Less prestigous position than the more modern OC.
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A hire growing in popularity amongst ‘play-calling’ HC’s.
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by GhostRider94 on Jan 31, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think we may be under estimating Holmgren’s Sneakiness. How do you get to coach without actually standing on a cold sideline so your bunions don’t hurt? Bring in a yes man and put on a head set upstairs. Shurmur knows offense, I’m cool with that, but I won’t be angry if Holmgren runs the team. Of course they could still be looking and waiting for Green Bay’s season to end, but if they aren’t, is it really that bad of a situation to be in? If Holmgren wants to be Mr. Miagi to Shurmurs Danny Laruso and Crain kick the Steelers, I’m ok with that, good person to learn from.
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by Sipeis17 on Jan 31, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I like whipple I think. Theory hire I am kinda unhappy about is Jauron.
"Smokescreen."
by jaws. on Jan 31, 2011 2:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Alright, let’s get to work, boys. September is right around the corner.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
September is right around the corner.
Yup, the lockout may just be resolving around that time.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Jan 31, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
THAT is what depresses me. I’ve been the optimist, but I don’t know how the hell we’re supposed to deal with that scenario.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Jan 31, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bad feeling about this too. The owners are never going to open their books (not sure how they get away with that) and have no reason to budge. The players aren’t going to move either but the owners will be able to wait them out pretty much as long as it takes. Those guys didn’t become billionaires by taking orders from the “help” and I don’t expect them to start now. The average idiot will blame the players too so I don’t see this getting fixed anytime soon. I hope I’m wrong.
by HenryDawg on Feb 1, 2011 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not sure how they get away with that
with the exception of the packers, each and every nfl team is a privately held enterprise. there are no reporting/transparency requirements for private companies, except to their specific shareholders.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think the players are more to blame than what you paint.
I think that the players deserve more long term benefits, but outside of that, employers are supposed to make more than the employees. Why should the NFL be different?
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but unlike most industries, etc., the NFL owners have a limited pool from which to draw from to maintain the quality of their product (my opinion, and yes i know there are a lot of college players out there, but i believe that there are only a select few who can make it, physically, mentally, and emotionally as an NFL athlete).
In the grand scheme of things I think the amount of money thrown around to athletes, etc. is crazy but hey there is a lot of money being brought in and I feel that the athletes are the ones generatin the money and they deserve a better seat at the table. I don’t care how smart a business person an owner is their team isn’t worth crap without the talent.
I wish i could live long enough to see more athletes owning teams to see how that affects salaries, etc.
Meh. Given the play-calling decision already made, I don’t think we should be surprised. I assume this means that Jauron is going to have near total control of the defense, particularly on game days. Given the experience he, and now Davis, brings, I’m fine with it. We’ll see….
Yea agreed, and it’s really going to come down to personnel more than anything. We need another good offseason.
by Roger Dorn on Jan 31, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We are still nine decent starters away from our last philosophy. Now we are changing it again. We need 4 good offseasons….at least.
The current incarnation of the Browns are the Beatles without John Lennon.
by 489favegame stat on Feb 2, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Or a crapload of cap room. Which we don’t have.
The current incarnation of the Browns are the Beatles without John Lennon.
by 489favegame stat on Feb 2, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
There is definitely reason to be skeptical that a first time head coach can handle calling plays and not having an OC.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
So Mangini’s a Nazi now? Go Godwin!
Never underestimate the powers of Mike Holmgren.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Feb 5, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Holmgren’s to do list:
Hire most vanilla staff EVER.
check.
by discoinferno083 on Jan 31, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions
Wow – only team in the NFL without an OC. We are either the smartest or dumbest organization in the NFL- gee wonder which one. Confidence in Holmgren waning
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
as you can see up above, we are not the only team without an OC.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh the Cardinals? Now I feel better.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
by realmccoy on Feb 1, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t wait for LeBron to choke in the playoffs again.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah and that sucks. I’m a heat fan, well was, and I hate LeBron and Bosh. I’m a fan with no home now.
become a cavs fan, you’re already used to rooting for a bad team.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Jan 31, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, i almost went with the Nets when they drafted T-Will (huge louisville fan), but he started acting like a douche, so now i just watch the games with no emotional investment. Can be boring at times.
Last I heard the sent him to the D-League, haven’t heard anything since.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, don’t hold your breath.
I found it easiest just to get over it. Sure, I can still hate the guy with a passion, but hoping for positives with the Cavs right now boils down to crossing my fingers and wishing we hit it big in the draft, maybe land the next KD or Blake Griffin.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
I don’t see a Griffin or KD in this draft.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Only time will tell. But, I’m just hoping we get lucky like every team that drafted an awesome franchise player.
Most people didn’t see KD being KD either though, just gotta get lucky.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
nah, a lot of people had kd pegged for stardom. superstardom, maybe not, but it was widely held (except by the blazers, obviously) that he was going to be really really good.
if the cavs end up w/ a griffin/kd type of impact player out of this draft it will be b/c their pick far exceeded expectations.
by DontCallMeJoey on Jan 31, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
there are one or two guys who may have stardom as a ceiling (Sullinger, Irving, that one 6’11’’ SF whose name escapes me). However, none of them are as pegged for superstardom as griffin/KD
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I love Jared Sullinger.
The Cavs better not draft him. 6’7-6’8 “centers” don’t last in the NBA. Ask Sean May.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 31, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I want Irving. He’s the only person that seems like he’ll be anything more than a role player to me. Granted, he’s been injured for almost the whole season…
"Quote goes here."
is the 6-11 SF the kid from baylor? i’ve heard good things about him.
i wonder if irving’s coming out considering he will likely have only played 8 games. i like harrison barnes, and i like the freshman from kentucky (#3) … not sure they’re top-in-the-draft guys, though.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Perry Jones is the kid from Baylor.
Dude is boom or bust. All potential at this point.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 1, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. I also agree with what Bernie said below. Perry Jones could be ridiculous, but he is all potential and athleticism right now. Also, I said he is an SF because the comparisons i have seen are to other SFs (albeit with less length) and that is where I have seen him listed in a couple places. Who knows what position he’ll play in the pros.
I do wonder that too about irving. The injury really hurt this draft.
I am assuming you are talking about Terrance Jones. I like him. I don’t think he has top 5 upside in this draft of the elite guys, but he seems like a safe, solid player. He is having a good season. Barnes has not been playing well at all and may not come out. Jones I see as a 5-9 guy in the draft, though his stock is rising because of his play. He was a mid-first round guy at the beginning of the season and now is 6-10
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I remember a lot of people calling for Oden to be the clear pick over KD.
But, my main point is that all I have left in terms of hope is hitting it big in the draft, whether it’s season or the next, so on and so forth.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
He was the clear pick until the discovery about his one leg being shorter than the other came out.
If he would have been healthy, he would have been the best player at the hardest to find position in the world.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Meh, I just don’t see beating him all that a big deal until we’ve got a playoff contending team again.
Need to rebuild from the ground up.
"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert
in the first 10 minutes of this pluto does a very nice job of describing many of my chief misgivings about the shurmer-as-playcaller … in a more measured way than i’ve perhaps done here.
the whole podcast is good, but the first 10 minutes, in particular, are related to shurmur / OC.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 1, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We are back to 1999. Optimism ensue. I guess I like our front office better now compared to then but, we all believed then too.
The current incarnation of the Browns are the Beatles without John Lennon.
by 489favegame stat on Feb 2, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions
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